Online Support....Can it make things worse?

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I have read his work.  Tranquilizer Victims? Sounds a bit loopy. 

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Interesting perspective, KRock. I agree that the Ashton taper method is not the only way to do this.

I have no problem though with Ashton not having gone through benzo withdrawal. She worked closely with the people who did and listened to them when they talked about their symptoms. Only then did she figure out, with their help, how to do the taper. At least that is how I read her work.

I don't see it as a bandwagon at all. She didn't write any glitzy books or ever state that her way was the only way to do it, although when she did her research, it probably was the best way. 

It seems like there are two ways and variations on those ways, to come off benzos: cold turkey or some kind of taper. As we know, no magic to any of it and different people do it different ways for their own reasons. Once you know the options, hopefully you can choose the way that best suits your needs and circumstances. Hopefully we each make the best decision about it.

The thing about the internet is it is up to us to decide what is good. I find that is the biggest problem for me. If I read a peer-reviewed scientific article, at least I know other experts have reviewed it, even though that can also provide a bias. If I read something from the National Institute of Health in the US, probably pretty reliable.

If someone like me writes a "position piece" in which I say what I think - it is hard for someone else to know if I have any clue about whether or not I know anything.......so beware when you read this,

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I knew this may kill me but I wouldn't have listened to A Woman who did some study and never walked this walk hold my life in her hands, That's just me. People may think I'm wrong .

 

Something very flawed here. Are you saying that you would rather die than follow someone who is highly educated and has spent their life researching this issue? Just because she wasn't a benzo addict? I hope you don't get cancer as you might have trouble finding a doctor that's been down the same road.

 

I know people have had much help thru her method and that's good very good. But I also think only Us who has had to fight this fight can truly say were the Experts of Benzo w/d

 

We are NOT the experts. We are a bunch of mostly medically uneducated people who are sharing anecdotal evidence, which is always the least accurate information.

 

Professor Ashton ran her clinic for 12 years and has been published more than 250 times in peer reviewed articles and books. She has studied about 50 different benzos. Why don't you call over the fence and ask your neighbour's opinion instead. They probably have some Valium in the cupboard so they would undoubtedly know better.

 

Ridiculous reasoning. Sheesh! Have you actually ever READ the manual and its 2011 update?

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I agree 100%

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I knew this may kill me but I wouldn't have listened to A Woman who did some study and never walked this walk hold my life in her hands, That's just me. People may think I'm wrong .

 

Something very flawed here. Are you saying that you would rather die than follow someone who is highly educated and has spent their life researching this issue? Just because she wasn't a benzo addict? I hope you don't get cancer as you might have trouble finding a doctor that's been down the same road.

 

I know people have had much help thru her method and that's good very good. But I also think only Us who has had to fight this fight can truly say were the Experts of Benzo w/d

 

We are NOT the experts. We are a bunch of mostly medically uneducated people who are sharing anecdotal evidence, which is always the least accurate information.

 

Professor Ashton ran her clinic for 12 years and has been published more than 250 times in peer reviewed articles and books. She has studied about 50 different benzos. Why don't you call over the fence and ask your neighbour's opinion instead. They probably have some Valium in the cupboard so they would undoubtedly know better.

 

Ridiculous reasoning. Sheesh! Have you actually ever READ the manual and its 2011 update?

Precisely!!! Xana I rather Die then let some Chic who has no clue what its like to actually loose your mind Body and Soul, Direct Me!! Shes a Outsider a Bystander a Observer in my Opinion!  Like I said before That's just ME... Glad I cleared that up.. Now onto the better stuff.

 

How do you know I don't have Cancer? How do you Know I didn't Beat it? And How I did? You Don't!

So I think a Assumption may not be Wise on your part.

No Need to call over the fence Xana . That would be just silly. I don't have a Fence...

Actually I would call my friend who's been through this and knows whats happening to my body and mind First before I go read some Stuff a Woman wrote and Claims is the Bible ..Ya feel me???

Oh wait I don't have to .. I'm all done with Benzo w/d!! Yay..

Now don't be fresh with me Xana .. I was just saying .. For ME . Not for everyone ..ME.

And Oh yes I believe Us all of us who's been down this road are Experts ..As far as knowing whats happening .How to get through this . And also Understanding. No were no Doctors but we do know exactly what this w/d can do..

 

As for "Cancer and having trouble finding a Doctor that's been down the same road". Been there. Did that.Saw every Highly educated doctor and I mean many to save my Daughter from cancer.. I'm no fool Xana I'm actually very wise and I know the neighbour over the fence couldn't help my Child so I never asked I saw Doctors!!! Not  Professors .

 

And NO like I said before I did not read professor Ashtons manual and 2011 update!

I don't need to..I Lived IT..

 

~Jenny

 

 

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jaso19

 

I was not trivialising cancer. I am sorry your daughter has suffered. I lost my only sister to it before her time and I have had my own battle with it too. I merely used that as an example. I'm sure you did not insist that the doctors you saw had recovered from cancer themselves.

 

To follow your theory, one could only trust an obstetrician who had given birth him/herself etc etc. This is not logical.

 

If you took the time to read the Ashton Manual you would see this:

 

ABOUT PROFESSOR C HEATHER ASHTON, DM, FRCP

Chrystal Heather Ashton DM, FRCP is Emeritus Professor of Clinical Psycho-pharmacology at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, England.

 

Professor Ashton is a graduate of the University of Oxford and obtained a First Class Honours Degree (BA) in Physiology in 1951. She qualified in Medicine (BM, BCh, MA) in 1954 and gained a postgraduate Doctor of Medicine (DM) in 1956. She qualified as MRCP (Member of the Royal College of Physicians, London) in 1958 and was elected FRCP (Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, London) in 1975. She also became National Health Service Consultant in Clinical Psychopharmacology in 1975 and National Health Service Consultant in Psychiatry in 1994.

 

She has worked at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne as researcher (Lecturer, Senior Lecturer, Reader and Professor) and clinician since 1965, first in the Department of Pharmacology and latterly in the Department of Psychiatry. Her research has centred, and continues, on the effects of psychotropic drugs (nicotine, cannabis, benzodiazepines, antidepressants and others) on the brain and behaviour in man. Her main clinical work was in running a benzodiazepine withdrawal clinic for 12 years from 1982-1994.

 

She is at present involved with the North East Council for Addictions (NECA) of which she is former Vice-Chairman of the Executive Committee on which she still serves. She continues to give advice on benzodiazepine problems to counsellors and is patron of the Bristol & District Tranquilliser Project. She was generic expert in the UK benzodiazepine litigation in the 1980s and has been involved with the UK organisation Victims of Tranquillisers (VOT). She has submitted evidence about benzodiazepines to the House of Commons Health Select Committee.

 

She has published approximately 250 papers in professional journals, books and chapters in books on psychotropic drugs of which over 50 concern benzodiazepines. She has given evidence to various Government committees on tobacco smoking, cannabis and benzodiazepines and has given invited lectures on benzodiazepines in the UK, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland and other countries.

 

Professor Ashton may be contacted at:

Department of Psychiatry

Royal Victoria Infirmary

Newcastle upon Tyne

NE1 4LP

England UK

 

I copied this directly from the 2011 supplement but I believe it was from the 2002 edition. You can check my source by just pasting http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzcha00.htm into your address bar.

 

Educated criticism is good but I am seeing far too many people on forums either slavishly following or completely discarding guidelines that they have not even read for themselves. Listening to other people's interpretations of anything is a highly risky practice. Sometimes, if the issues are complex and beyond our understanding we have to do this and have faith.

 

In this case, the manual is highly readable. I think if anyone is making rash statements about it, they should have at least read it. Perhaps you should, jaso19.

 

Xana

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Thanks for the apology Xana.. I appreciate it.

Sorry about your sister .I know that pain all to well.

 

I'm sure your link will be of Help to many ..Its a good one.

I was speaking from personal experience and Beliefs , I also stated this was just Me, Not for everyone. As for reading up on her manual .I'm all good on that. I'm so glad theres a a reference for many this is scary business.

Like WWW said .. She would have wound up on 3 to 4 mils. of adivan if it wasn't for her. So thanks God .

 

P.S.. God I love the OBGYN who delivered my 4 children .."HE" is Wonderful !!!

 

~Jenny

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Xana..Is see you hold the words dear to you that "The Old lady that lives in a shoe" writes about benzo withdrawl. The shoe being Ashtons  clinic in Europe. LOL. But no need to verbally attack another member. Especially one that has healed and has helped so many people on this site. Jaso19 did this without any stupid manual. Don't be a hater that you cant. Read and keep reading. Ashton can write all she wants about what she "Obsevered". Your the one that has to go thru it. Hope you continue to have a LONG happy taper under the guidance of the Great Professor Ashton. I'm sure her writings will guide you to the promise land. You really shouldn't write something than flip flop like you didn't mean it. We all know you did.

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Well, I'm also one that did a C/T. It was horrible and all I can say, it was nice to have confirmation of my symptoms.

 

The one thing that interests me is Dr. Ashton was involved in VOT (Victims of Tranquilizers ) and Dr. Reg Peart also mentions her a bit on his site. Did they work together?

 

Maybe Colin knows.

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Well, I'm also one that did a C/T. It was horrible and all I can say, it was nice to have confirmation of my symptoms.

 

The one thing that interests me is Dr. Ashton was involved in VOT (Victims of Tranquilizers ) and Dr. Reg Peart also mentions her a bit on his site. Did they work together?

 

Maybe Colin knows.

Thats exactly what I did to...

I read all her sxs when I went C/T.. And then I left it at that. I didnt want to know if this was gonna last 3 years. Be permanent. I just wanted to Fight like I know how to.And thats with no other outside influences. I  mean Fact was I was in w/d and noone was gonna beable to help me. No RX, No doctor can take this away.And for me No professor was getting me through this.So I put my Faith into play .Took the impossible atleast what seemed.And made it Happen.Locked my doors and keep myself in positive self talk. Had I needed to taper well then thats a diff story. Thats why I say.How I did it isnt for everyone .But it was for me.

 

KRock ... 

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If ALL these doctors are so smart overseas. Why do all the sick patients from all over the world want to fly to the United States for treatment? LOL Maybe because the doctors overseas arent so smart. The BEST doctors from all around the world pack up and leave there "Homeland" so they can get paid in the good old US of A. Makes sense to me. That leaves the quality of health care in other countries bleak at best. Or should I say the doctors that are left come from a depleted talent pool. Royal families from all over the world fly to the US for procedures as well. Including those mates from the UK and Canada. LOL There is research being done here in the United States when it comes to benzo withdrawl. You just need to look for it. I believe its at a major university up in the North East. A member posted about their studies a while back. They do have funding. Something Ashton lacked to secure. I'm not anti Ashton. I just think she's a bit over rated. I mean let's be real. A slow taper is not rocket science.

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Our doctors do not move to the good old US of A. 

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jaso19

 

I was not trivialising cancer. I am sorry your daughter has suffered. I lost my only sister to it before her time and I have had my own battle with it too. I merely used that as an example. I'm sure you did not insist that the doctors you saw had recovered from cancer themselves.

 

To follow your theory, one could only trust an obstetrician who had given birth him/herself etc etc. This is not logical.

 

Educated criticism is good but I am seeing far too many people on forums either slavishly following or completely discarding guidelines that they have not even read for themselves. Listening to other people's interpretations of anything is a highly risky practice. Sometimes, if the issues are complex and beyond our understanding we have to do this and have faith.

 

In this case, the manual is highly readable. I think if anyone is making rash statements about it, they should have at least read it. Perhaps you should, jaso19.

 

Xana

 

Xana,

 

I didn't take from her post that she made rash statements about the manual. She just didn't follow it and still healed. I believe the manual holds value for many but it isn't a one size fits all. She clearly said that many have been helped by it and that is good. I think there is a ton of value to that manual. If I felt I needed more, then I would have read it. The parts I have read I liked.  She would never try to steer anyone away from reading it or being helped by it.

 

I tapered off klonopin without any side effects in 2010. I had no knowledge of the manual. In hindsight I wish I had known a little more. I hit a bad patch and didn't realize I was reinstating. I am near at the end of my taper now and still haven't read the entire manual. I have gotten all the support I need on this forum. Much of it comes from Jaso herself. I hope you take the time to read her many many posts. If there was a symptom out there she has had it.

 

I'm so sorry that you lost your only sister to cancer. I cannot imagine what that must be like. Jaso's daughter not only suffered from cancer she lost her life to it as well.

 

Jaso is still here helping so very many people. Again I hope you read some of her posts.

 

 

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Xana..Is see you hold the words dear to you that "The Old lady that lives in a shoe" writes about benzo withdrawl. The shoe being Ashtons  clinic in Europe. LOL. But no need to verbally attack another member. Especially one that has healed and has helped so many people on this site. Jaso19 did this without any stupid manual. Don't be a hater that you cant. Read and keep reading. Ashton can write all she wants about what she "Obsevered". Your the one that has to go thru it. Hope you continue to have a LONG happy taper under the guidance of the Great Professor Ashton. I'm sure her writings will guide you to the promise land. You really shouldn't write something than flip flop like you didn't mean it. We all know you did.

 

I have no idea what most of this means. I am not a hater. Thank you for wishing me a 'LONG' taper.

 

I think you have answered your own question of 'Online support....Can it makes things worse?' Your 'support' certainly just my bad morning into a worse one. Thank you for that.

 

I think I am in the wrong place.

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Hanna.. I feel where your coming from. I really do. The point i was trying to make is that so many people on here bash doctors and the US Health system. Calling them stupid and uneducated in this syndrome. Its not all the doctors fault. The patient hold some responsibility and the drug companies as well. What I do know is that if I have any other major health issues going forward in my life I will be glad I live in the United States. We have the best health care system in the world by some of the best doctors. Just ask the people up in Canada that deal with a "government health care system". Ask them how long it takes them to get a appointment to see a specialist. Most of them cross the border and seek treatment here in the states for better care. Ask the people over in Europe and Asia how whacked there system is. I'm not pro doctor at all. I'm not anti doctor either. But I am thankful I have some of the best medical care in the world if need be. So we got caught up in a deal that screwed us for a short time frame. Things happen in life. But people on here need to quit always playing the victim role and take some of the responsibility for this. The anti doctor sediment gets old really fast. You will recover and be just fine. Just breathe and believe. I hope everyone on here heals and lives a happy life.

 

PS. I still think Ashton is a short troll that lives in a Shoe! She needs to comb her hair. Have you seen her YouTube video latey? LOL Kidding

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Looks like they'd rather believe in natural/homeopathy crap.  Isn't that "stuff" supposed to be restricted to the Alternative Boards thread so that rational people like myself don't have to see it?

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Xana..Is see you hold the words dear to you that "The Old lady that lives in a shoe" writes about benzo withdrawl. The shoe being Ashtons  clinic in Europe. LOL. But no need to verbally attack another member. Especially one that has healed and has helped so many people on this site. Jaso19 did this without any stupid manual. Don't be a hater that you cant. Read and keep reading. Ashton can write all she wants about what she "Obsevered". Your the one that has to go thru it. Hope you continue to have a LONG happy taper under the guidance of the Great Professor Ashton. I'm sure her writings will guide you to the promise land. You really shouldn't write something than flip flop like you didn't mean it. We all know you did.

 

I have no idea what most of this means. I am not a hater. Thank you for wishing me a 'LONG' taper.

 

I think you have answered your own question of 'Online support....Can it makes things worse?' Your 'support' certainly just my bad morning into a worse one. Thank you for that.

 

I think I am in the wrong place.

Thats so Ironic...

Thats exactly how I woke this morning to your Post ...Telling me how Flawed I am. Its ok tho.. I understand how Passionate peeps can get when talking about there Professor Ashton..

 

As for saying you may not be in the rt place...Well only you can answer that question..You know whats rt for you.. I hope you stay. I think you will recieve all the support you need.Expecially when your off this Med.. ..

 

Quote" I am not a hater. Thank you for wishing me a 'LONG' taper." Those are Good Wishes he was sending you.Not a bad thing. Ashton says .... Long Taper is the way to go!

 

Hang in there and I hope as your day goes bye you feel better...

 

~Jenny

 

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Looks like they'd rather believe in natural/homeopathy crap.  Isn't that "stuff" supposed to be restricted to the Alternative Boards thread so that rational people like myself don't have to see it?

DaveyP...

 

Are you calling me Natural? Thats just Rude!!!! Lmao ..Its ok . Yes I am all Natural every bit of me.

Dont even have a screw in any Bones. All Natural!

As for Homeopathy ..Not even close.. Im the worst eater Ever... And no alternative methods for me.

 

Stay Real. And Stay rational 

 

~Jenny

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Looks like they'd rather believe in natural/homeopathy crap.  Isn't that "stuff" supposed to be restricted to the Alternative Boards thread so that rational people like myself don't have to see it?

DaveyP...

 

Are you calling me Natural? Thats just Rude!!!! Lmao ..Its ok . Yes I am all Natural every bit of me.

Dont even have a screw in any Bones. All Natural!

As for Homeopathy ..Not even close.. Im the worst eater Ever... And no alternative methods for me.

 

Stay Real. And Stay rational 

 

~Jenny

 

Me either! I wasn't writing directly to you. 

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Thanks DaveyP..

 

Yea I have to say I did alot of things wrong in this w/d! One being a C/T.. Another may have been the way I ate .Had loads of sugar .Drank espresso like 3 x a day lol I was screw this. Everything hurts.I don't have the ability of brain function and I'm not denying myself at least alittle comfort..So yea I am nowhere in the category of Natural of Homeopathy..

 

As for KRock ... I met him early on in his C/T like 1 year ago.. I have to say he is Far from Natural and Homeopathic..LOL.. For Real . Hes all about a Big Gulp of Mountian Dew and MSG on a platter with Doritos as a snack.. Were the same .. If we can find any Comfort within our selves. We are def gonna get it thru some good eating and drinks.Its all individual were all so diff. Whatever works I say do it. as long as you don't compromise your Healing!!

 

~Jenny

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Regarding following Prof Ashton's manual advice for withdrawal:

 

When I first read the Profs schedule for withdrawing I assumed that it was very fixed all the way through - however, it was pointed out to me over on the old Trap forum, that she also writes that each individual should only proceed as per how "comfortable" it is for them.  Hence why people withdraw at such varying rates.

 

Sorry I don't have the actual quote right here but thought I would share that point here.

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Professor Ashton's method did not work for me, but I realize that Professors and doctors are in no way infallible. I think I am just too badly dependent and my panic attacks are too severe to use her method. Also, I dislike Valium since it sedates me. I don't fault Prof. Ashton for this. I realize that bodies are highly unique. From the get-go, I could take a lot more benzodiazepines than the "average" person without much impact. I remember the doctors not liking that right away.

 

The weird thing is I've always been a one-drink drunk and unable to take opiates.

 

But when I was young, I could smoke a giant amount of marijuana compared to anyone I knew. So, I guess we're all different. Does Prof. Ashton recognize this? I think so. She's really level, in my view. I respect her and would gladly share my experience with her. I do know she is not the only doctor working with benzo addicts, however. I looked in my University academic database the other day and there were doctors in Holland doing studies with thousands of people.

 

Just my two cents.

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Wow KRock. This is way out of the topic so I will keep this as my last post on this issue. I have lived in the US and in Canada. I have worked in the health care systems of both and I am involved in an international health care policy group. Both systems have their strengths. Both have their weaknesses.  I am just as ethnocentric as you are.

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jaso19

 

I was not trivialising cancer. I am sorry your daughter has suffered. I lost my only sister to it before her time and I have had my own battle with it too. I merely used that as an example. I'm sure you did not insist that the doctors you saw had recovered from cancer themselves.

 

To follow your theory, one could only trust an obstetrician who had given birth him/herself etc etc. This is not logical.

 

If you took the time to read the Ashton Manual you would see this:

 

ABOUT PROFESSOR C HEATHER ASHTON, DM, FRCP

Chrystal Heather Ashton DM, FRCP is Emeritus Professor of Clinical Psycho-pharmacology at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, England.

 

Professor Ashton is a graduate of the University of Oxford and obtained a First Class Honours Degree (BA) in Physiology in 1951. She qualified in Medicine (BM, BCh, MA) in 1954 and gained a postgraduate Doctor of Medicine (DM) in 1956. She qualified as MRCP (Member of the Royal College of Physicians, London) in 1958 and was elected FRCP (Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, London) in 1975. She also became National Health Service Consultant in Clinical Psychopharmacology in 1975 and National Health Service Consultant in Psychiatry in 1994.

 

She has worked at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne as researcher (Lecturer, Senior Lecturer, Reader and Professor) and clinician since 1965, first in the Department of Pharmacology and latterly in the Department of Psychiatry. Her research has centred, and continues, on the effects of psychotropic drugs (nicotine, cannabis, benzodiazepines, antidepressants and others) on the brain and behaviour in man. Her main clinical work was in running a benzodiazepine withdrawal clinic for 12 years from 1982-1994.

 

She is at present involved with the North East Council for Addictions (NECA) of which she is former Vice-Chairman of the Executive Committee on which she still serves. She continues to give advice on benzodiazepine problems to counsellors and is patron of the Bristol & District Tranquilliser Project. She was generic expert in the UK benzodiazepine litigation in the 1980s and has been involved with the UK organisation Victims of Tranquillisers (VOT). She has submitted evidence about benzodiazepines to the House of Commons Health Select Committee.

 

She has published approximately 250 papers in professional journals, books and chapters in books on psychotropic drugs of which over 50 concern benzodiazepines. She has given evidence to various Government committees on tobacco smoking, cannabis and benzodiazepines and has given invited lectures on benzodiazepines in the UK, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland and other countries.

 

Professor Ashton may be contacted at:

Department of Psychiatry

Royal Victoria Infirmary

Newcastle upon Tyne

NE1 4LP

England UK

 

I copied this directly from the 2011 supplement but I believe it was from the 2002 edition. You can check my source by just pasting http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzcha00.htm into your address bar.

 

Educated criticism is good but I am seeing far too many people on forums either slavishly following or completely discarding guidelines that they have not even read for themselves. Listening to other people's interpretations of anything is a highly risky practice. Sometimes, if the issues are complex and beyond our understanding we have to do this and have faith.

 

In this case, the manual is highly readable. I think if anyone is making rash statements about it, they should have at least read it. Perhaps you should, jaso19.

 

Xana

Had a couple rough days and was down for the count for a bit so it seems like I'm a little late to this party.

 

Xana -- I think my record shows that I am a proponent of Ashtons work and yes I've read her manual, her updates including her speech Dec 2011.  She has done more to educate about the existence and extent of w/d and well as the ills that benzos cause then most anyone out there.  She provided me a path  with which to taper and (hopefully) successfully w/d from benzos.  And in part, without her work, I'd have been in significantly worse shape than I currently am.

 

That said, she is simply ONE resource.  In a perfect world,  more research by multiple sources would be available to us.  However, unless you know something I don't, when you say "We are NOT the experts. We are a bunch of mostly medically uneducated people who are sharing anecdotal evidence, which is always the least accurate information." the honest truth is aside from Ashton, Peart and a few others, WE, the,mostly medically uneducated people who are sharing anecdotal evidence, are all we have. 

 

So while I support Ashtons work, I have received equal help and guidance from those same "mostly medically uneducated people". I would also suggest that a good many of us on here, myself included have been to many "medical experts" who have led us astray and failed us.  Just because someone holds a medical degree is no assurance of anything.  To illustrate my point...

 

in 1995, a report in JAMA said that:    "Over a million patients are injured in U.S. hospitals each year, and approximately 280,000 die annually as a result of these injuries. Therefore, the Iatrogenic death rate dwarfs the annual automobile accident mortality rate of 45,000 and accounts for more deaths than all other accidents combined."

 

Dr. Barbara Starfield, Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, Journal American Medical Association(JAMA); July 26, 2000;284(4):483-5:  Iatrogenic(doctor-related) causes and Prescription Drugs Are The  Leading Cause of Hospitalization and Death in the US,  Causing over 250,000 Hospital Related Deaths Every Year;  Prescription Drugs are Responsible for over 100,000 Deaths Every Year :

 

In 2007, Millennium Research Group (MRG), the global authority on medical technology market intelligence  conducted a detailed and thorough analysis of the acute care clinical information systems (CIS) market and finds that a major driver in the US is the demand for improvement in patient safety. Medical errors are the fifth-leading cause of deaths in the US, with up to 98,000 deaths annually.

 

So while I agree that Ashtons work is of great value,  I for one also believe that those who have "walked the walk", especially in the case of benzo w/d are an invaluable source of information, degreed or not.

 

You appear to be well spoken and possess a perspective that will most likely be valued here. It also looks like you and jaso19 might have gotten off to a rough start which is sad as jaso19 is  such a bright light for many of us going down this path.  I hope you stay if you find benefit here.  If not, I wish you a smooth w/d.

 

WWWI

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WWW...Beautifully said.

 

That was really well said.. I enjoyed what you wrote . Alot! Im so sorry you werent feeling well. I hope ur feeling better now!

Thank you for saying that!!!