Medical Cannabis and Cannabis CBD Oil Group

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Lynn, I’m very sorry if my post/ vent further discouraged you, that was not my intent at all. I’ve been talking to you in my head the last few days since I was not able to get back to your post in a timely manner.

 

I am NOW ( lesson learned the hard way) a very pragmatic woman in the way I approach life. I also most appreciate honest experiences to prepare myself with the best most accurate information I can find before making decisions. I was not in any way trying to further blindside you, I was intent on relating my experience to help inform and educate. I found it enormously helpful myself to follow this thread as well as talk to others who use cannabis medicine. My goal was to gather as much information as I possibly could both positive and negative so I could make the best decision for myself, which is exactly what you are doing.

 

I am solidly in the hope for the best but be prepared for the worst camp which also sounds like your plan.  Unfortunately it became glaringly apparent to me 2 years ago that I would be coping with a very protracted recovery due to my history. The long 2 year wait for the dispensaries to open allowed me to put aside a fairly sizable amount of cash in order to fully experiment with various forms of delivery methods and strains once I received my card. I needed to know and plan accordingly as best I could for the trial and error involved as well as the expense. Some of the best information I found was on this thread.

 

Please don’t misunderstand me, I am a fervent and passionate believer in cannabis medicine. I’m more than a little envious of Aurora’s job in a dispensary, I was hoping to be well enough last summer to undergo the training sessions required to work in a dispensary myself or explore another avenue in this industry because I feel so passionately about it, however that didn’t happen according to plan. By the way thank you  for all your info on terpene profiles Aurora, a very useful reference much appreciated. You are a true asset to this thread.

 

Anyway, although I’ve whined about the whole start up process with the state program, the truth is I’ve found multiple products that work for me, it’s now simply a matter of fine tuning my usage. Yes, it’s also been very costly because I’m dealing with multiple physical issues. I have found tremendous help already with nausea body pain and nerve pain. I’m well acquainted with the unearthly nerve pain you described and cannabis has helped. I no longer feel as though I’m being burned alive. That relief alone has been enormous as you can well imagine I’m so sorry you’ve experienced that yourself.

 

Finding some relief for trigeminial and occipital neuralgia has been more elusive. I think the two are a diabolical combination of nerve and muscular conditions. By the way I’m using those terms for anyone who uses the search engine option because that describes more accurately my remaining head sxs than simply saying chronic daily migraine.  I recently found 2 strains of concentrates from moxie  promising although I need to try them a little more. Both are extremely high in the cannabinoid thca, the strains are called Private Reserve and Tahoe OG. A single 3 to 5 second draw gives me relief for several hours but leaves me mostly at a rather non functional level after using them so I use them sparingly only on my very worst days. However these are the first strains I’ve felt muscle relaxation where the incessant squeezing in my neck jaw face and head soften. I have not found anything to help with the soda can head or sinus pressure however.

 

I know this is a lot to wrap your head around and it truly is incredibly overwhelming if you’re as unfamiliar with cannabis as I was until a few years ago. Wishing you the best of luck making the decision whether or not to go forward with your appointment and again I really am sorry if I dampened your interest because I am truly experiencing pain relief in many areas. In spite of the cost it’s been the best decision I’ve made in the last 5 years without a doubt.

 

Ironically this post is also the most I’ve ever publicly shared about my physical condition. I’m extending my sincere apologies in advance. I do NOT want or intend this to be a triggering post for anyone reading. I’m very mindful of that possibility and I’d like to reassure everyone my story will NOT be your story! I was incredibly poly drugged for 30 years and did not have good knowledge about discontinuing or tapering medications. Consequently I greatly damaged my cns with multiple prior ct’s before my final tandem taper of OxyContin and Ativan. In hindsight I would’ve been far better off waiting a few years before undertaking those tapers and doing them separately for sure. In spite of that I have recovered tremendously in every other area but physically I am still a bit of a hot mess..... mostly due to very poor medical advice combined with sheer ignorance on my part.

 

Almost forgot. Would like to forget. Total expenses to acquire my card this year were $600.

                        Supplies including a higher end vaporizor. $300.

                        Purchases of product approximately $2500. Obviously I expect this number to shrink

                        dramatically and I mean dramatically from here on out. I did check my

                        records and to be sure I’ve tried 22 products. This total also includes

                        multiple repeat purchases.

 

 

[[NJ...]]

Lynn,

 

I want to let you know that I am now microdosing the first strain I bought in June every evening ... three drops of an alcohol tincture I made in a glass of water. It is helping me sleep and beginning to see some daytime nausea relief (even though I am not using during the day). This tincture would likely last me six months at this burn rate.

 

So, it is all trial and error, but if this is going to help me from throwing up, it will be worth it. I even went out to lunch with my husband today.

 

If you move forward with your card, just be prepared to do a lot of research online and be willing for trial and error. I think for me the small doses will be a game changer. There is a facebook group blazing benzos that is for people using marijuana to get off benzos (although the posts don't seem to focus on that).

 

I do think aurora is correct that this whole process is easier in states where marijuana is legal for all, because there is not a lot of product here in NJ, which is leaning towards legalizing. I am jealous that people in other legal states have access to edibles and tinctures rather than me having to brew up my own tincture ... have one sitting in my closet right now that will be ready this weekend.

 

We will all try to do our best to help you through this if you get your card. From all I have read, marijuana is so much safer than benzos and it seems like it can be a useful tool if we can figure it out.

[[Ly...]]

Thank you, both, for your kind responses and encouragement and sharing.

 

You are giving me something to think about.

 

One thing I have heard a lot about here in Pennsylvania, is that there is not much of a selection to choose from and that the knowledge needed is really lacking.

 

I find it hard to research the web for cannabis info because it all seems to confusing and conflicting.  Not to mention my mushy brain right now.

 

But you both have been wonderful to share with me and any others who are considering to purchase or to give up.  I am thinking of microtapering right now and

if things start to get bad, then I can get to a doctor within a month or so [that's about how far out they are right now], and the card should not take very long to

acquire.  HOpefully my brain will be functioning well enough [which I doubt] to know what cannabis to use and the like.  But, thankfully, you did mention that there

are those of you here on this post who can be helpful when/if in need at that point.

 

Thanks.  I feel like I'm part of a big family.  Everyone is so helpful.

 

 

[[Se...]]

Is CBD oil something that would also need to be tapered from if using it regularly?  Sorry, I know this is probably a stupid question, but I am extremely cautious as to what I put in my body after my experience with benzos.  I find myself questioning anything, including natural.   

[[NJ...]]

I used it daily for nausea for many months, and no need to taper. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for nausea anymore but it did for a while. Also made me feel more awake and "with it"

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Is CBD oil something that would also need to be tapered from if using it regularly?  Sorry, I know this is probably a stupid question, but I am extremely cautious as to what I put in my body after my experience with benzos.  I find myself questioning anything, including natural. 

 

I think that withdrawing from CBD (and other cannabinoids) is similar to withdrawing from coffee/caffeine - even for fairly heavy users.  No need to taper, but you can if you want (personally, I wouldn't).  A headache is possible.  Maybe a slight bit of agitation??  It's usually over in 2-3-4 days.

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If anyone is interested in the latest news about medical marijuana in their state, there is an interactive marijuana legislation map at this link where you can click on your state and read the latest happs:

 

http://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/page/marijuana-legislative-map-cbt/

 

In New Jersey, they're currently trying to expand access to MMJ, which could explain a sparse selection of products. The Department of Health just requested applications for 6 new dispensaries in the state. There is definitely more demand than supply there, but it looks like they're trying to figure it out.

 

In Pennsylvania, they just started selling cannabis in flower form two days ago. That's great news; it's about time. Now PA MMJ patients don't have to settle for products with pre-determined strains. It expands the amount of strains and options for sure.

 

I truly appreciate having this area of the forum to talk about cannabis with you lovely folks. Some days it's the only area I visit.    Sometimes I get lost in my Colorado bubble and forget what others are still dealing with in other states. I actually grew up in Maryland; they approved medical in 2014, but only opened a dispensary in my hometown last year. In the future, it'll be easier and less expensive to own and operate a cannabis business. We're the guinea pigs for sure!

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Hi all,

 

If anyone can help me interpret this stuff, I’d really appreciate it I don’t think my brain can understand terpenes etc right now. Any advice, suggestions as to how I should or shouldn’t proceed, welcome. I’ll also post how I’m dosing my k pin since I’m told to dose all Meds 2 hours away from the CBD oil. Sorta impossible the way I dose.

 

Clonazapam:6:30am-.5k, 12:30pm-.5k, 6:30pm-.5k, 9:45pm-2mg k, 2.5mg lexapro(I feel k pin is making me very tired, where as prior to quitting cigs, it was much less sedating, my nuero thinks the fatigue is either ms & or depression because d be tolerant to it from k pin, but I think I can feel it being caused by k pin-

anyone with experience moving doses around to reduce sedation without causing more anxiety or withdrawal & or k pin tapering experience please pm for us to find a place to discuss out on the boards)

 

So my ms specialist neurologist suggested that I try CBD oil for anxiety & tapering & for pain. He wanted me to start by taking .25ml 2 times per day, if no effect with that, then increasing to .5ml 2 times per day, stay on it for a month to get a sense of what it’s doing, make sure I can tolerate it, then start weaning off clonazapam. He referred me to a certain vendor & said it would be thc free. He wanted me to try a pure CBD thc free product first, then if that didn’t work then could try with it. He’s out of town for me & they refuse to take any questions about mmj or CBD oil on the phone. The vendor is palmetto harmony & the CBD oil is made from full spectrum hemp oil with thc of the sativa variety. Seller said, it’s an organic whole plant extract that contains a broad terpene profile, it’s pharm grade MCT & CBD oil extracted from hemp plant.

 

I’m not in a legal state, but they said that this is totally legal & meets federal guidelines.

 

The report says: thc .07wt% .07mg/ml it also has CBD 2.30wt%, cbdv .01wt%,CBD .03wt%, CBC .11wt% the othe cb things were nd

Terpenes

Mercene 13ppm

A-bisabolol 7ppm

B-caryphyllene 40ppm

Caryophyllene oxide 5ppm

Guaiol 9ppm

Humulene 11 ppm

B-pinene1ppm

Eucalyptol 2 ppm

 

 

I’ve suffered from depression & anxiety/panic disorder for years, my clonazapam dose is very high 3.5-4mg per day. They recently discontinued my generic & ive been trying to get used to 2different generics, not sure which is better or worse, but teeth clenching, jaw pain & depression have appeared(the clenching/jaw pain) & worsened(depression) I’m mentioning this because I got so low I decided to start on an antidepressant, escitalopram, yesterday.

 

I tried .25ml of this CBD oil 3 times & got night sweats, think it made me more tired & those 2 things scared me away from it. But I’ve heard wonderful things about people being able to get off Meds, help other conditions like pain, depression & anxiety with it. I can’t afford to go out & buy another bottle right now.

 

Anyone know why it would cause night sweats?

I’m scared of the thc too because it can cause anxiety, paranoia, restlessness.

What about it making me more sleepy?

 

All input appreciated. Like I said for anything off topic please look me up to meet elsewhere.

 

Much thanks, SC

[[Gr...]]

I'm thinking of cooking up a batch of edibles to see if it will last longer, so I stop waking up in the middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep.  Does anyone know the times for how long edibles work versus vaporizing?  Or a place where I can find out?  Links?  Thanks

 

Sorry Scaredie, I don't know the answers to your questions.  I would guess though, that the night sweats are more from taking benzos than they are from the CBD oil.

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Thanks green. Happy baking!

[[Ly...]]

I need help with anxiety, pain, nausea and insomnia as my worse withdrawal symptoms [believe me, there are a host of others!].  I heard that the Terpene Myrcene helps with sleep/anxiety/insomnia.  The mmj indica needs to be above .5 and the sativa needs to be below .5      Does this make sense to anyone?  Has anyone found this to help them?  I am still not sure about getting my card because in PA we are behind in things--although I heard there has been some headway.  But I can't afford the high costs of doctors, cards, and mmj if they aren't going to work for me.  My insomnia became critical last september which made my anxiety skyrocket and my burning skin become like ACID.  Now I'm really scared to taper though I know I need to go through with it.  The dr.s said nothing would help me [they tried several pharmaceuticals that didn't even touch my symptoms] and so mmj is my last resort. 

 

Scared and not knowing what to do.  Anyone in a similar situation or know if Myrcene would help?  I know every one's body reacts differently, but hoping there is a chance it could help or any other suggestions?

 

Thanks.  I'm beginning my DMLT in the next week and hoping to avoid any strong withdrawals.  But that lingering fear from last Sept is almost like PTSD to me!

 

 

[[NJ...]]

I need help with anxiety, pain, nausea and insomnia as my worse withdrawal symptoms [believe me, there are a host of others!].  I heard that the Terpene Myrcene helps with sleep/anxiety/insomnia.  The mmj indica needs to be above .5 and the sativa needs to be below .5      Does this make sense to anyone?  Has anyone found this to help them?  I am still not sure about getting my card because in PA we are behind in things--although I heard there has been some headway.  But I can't afford the high costs of doctors, cards, and mmj if they aren't going to work for me.  My insomnia became critical last september which made my anxiety skyrocket and my burning skin become like ACID.  Now I'm really scared to taper though I know I need to go through with it.  The dr.s said nothing would help me [they tried several pharmaceuticals that didn't even touch my symptoms] and so mmj is my last resort. 

 

Scared and not knowing what to do.  Anyone in a similar situation or know if Myrcene would help?  I know every one's body reacts differently, but hoping there is a chance it could help or any other suggestions?

 

Thanks.  I'm beginning my DMLT in the next week and hoping to avoid any strong withdrawals.  But that lingering fear from last Sept is almost like PTSD to me!

 

Green--the edibles do last a while. Honestly one night I took too much and was still stumbling around the next day.

 

Lynne--I have no info in NJ on terpenes when I buy my medical marijuana. I will say that the high indica strain I bought, blueberry kush, helps with anxiety (although I feel there is some rebound anxiety), insomnia and nausea. I really need it for help with nausea. I have figured out how to use it during the day too with a very low dose of an alcohol tincture I made.

 

I have two other strains, one of which helps with nausea but tried it during the day today and it definitely made me feel off, and a high CBD strain (ACDC) which just made me tired and definitely left me with bad rebound anxiety.

 

I think this is the only way I am going to get off by using medical marijuana. The nausea has been too bad for me to really move forward without some relief.

 

I think it will be trial and error. Maybe if the dispensary has what they sell online you can cut and paste here and someone with more knowledge can help you. I think you will definitely feel relief for the nausea, anxiety and insomnia. I know it is scary and I hate feeling like I am becoming dependent on yet another thing but it is what it is at this point. I really think it's safer then the benzo.

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I used it daily for nausea for many months, and no need to taper. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for nausea anymore but it did for a while. Also made me feel more awake and "with it"

NJ, do you mind share no which CBD oil that was? Did it have thc in it? If so, what percent?

 

Badsgroff, does this still apply if it contains thc?

 

Thank you

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Lynn, can you call the dispensary & ask them questions? I’m not in a legal state so not sure how that works, but the online place I got my CBD oil from answered my simple questions, but my brain just hasn’t gone as far as terpenes & what not, ie I wouldn’t even know what to ask about them, but if you do, maybe they’ll help you. Best wishes

[[NJ...]]

I used it daily for nausea for many months, and no need to taper. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for nausea anymore but it did for a while. Also made me feel more awake and "with it"

NJ, do you mind share no which CBD oil that was? Did it have thc in it? If so, what percent?

 

Badsgroff, does this still apply if it contains thc?

 

Thank you

 

Scardie,

 

I have used in the past no THC hemp oil from the Stanley Brothers for nausea. It doesn't work anymore because my nausea is so much worse. I don't feel it helps me with anxiety (although many do), although, to be honest, anxiety is not usually a big symptom for me, it is just all the GI stuff. This is legal in all 50 states.

 

The low THC strain I used (which was flower) was AC/DC. It has a fairly low THC content, like less than 1 percent. Again, in NJ, not a lot of info on what you get. It still even with low THC made me feel a little altered and very tired (so probably not a good choice for you, as I know you struggle with fatigue).

 

I know you are struggling as I have seen your other posts. If I were you, I would wait to see if the lexapro works before adding in anything else. See if you can give that one or two weeks. Try to only change one thing at a time, as I know you have a lot going on and if you are changing more than one thing at a time it will be impossible to know what is causing what.

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Much thanks NJ,

I’ve saved the info you shared on products. Thanks for the advice about waiting, I think your definitely right, I already have enough variables. I wish I could have waited on adding the lexapro in as an extra one, but really felt needed to get started on it. You take care xx

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Yes, withdrawing from THC-dominant products should also just take a few days to a week.  Maybe you'll get a headache.  Maybe some insomnia or irritability.  But nothing like benzo withdrawal. 

 

In my experience, smoking/vaping is usually good for an hour or two.  Alcohol tinctures taken on an empty stomach are usually good for 3-6 hours.  Tinctures taken on a full stomach or edibles are usually good for 4-8 hours, but are less efficiently absorbed.

 

Terpene profiling is getting more sophisticated (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201119), but I don't think anybody has enough data to say that a particular terpene biotype is the most appropriate for a given malady.  That's still in the realm of trial and error (unfortunately).  Also - that info is mostly for THC-dominant flower.  I've seen different terpene profiles in CBD-dominant flowers.  But I think it's good to pay attention to that terpene profile as well as the cannabinoid numbers.  If that product works for you, you'll want to be able to find something similar in the future.  If it doesn't agree with you, you'll want to know what to avoid.

[[au...]]

I need help with anxiety, pain, nausea and insomnia as my worse withdrawal symptoms [believe me, there are a host of others!].  I heard that the Terpene Myrcene helps with sleep/anxiety/insomnia.  The mmj indica needs to be above .5 and the sativa needs to be below .5      Does this make sense to anyone?  Has anyone found this to help them?  I am still not sure about getting my card because in PA we are behind in things--although I heard there has been some headway.  But I can't afford the high costs of doctors, cards, and mmj if they aren't going to work for me.  My insomnia became critical last september which made my anxiety skyrocket and my burning skin become like ACID.  Now I'm really scared to taper though I know I need to go through with it.  The dr.s said nothing would help me [they tried several pharmaceuticals that didn't even touch my symptoms] and so mmj is my last resort. 

 

Scared and not knowing what to do.  Anyone in a similar situation or know if Myrcene would help?  I know every one's body reacts differently, but hoping there is a chance it could help or any other suggestions?

 

Thanks.  I'm beginning my DMLT in the next week and hoping to avoid any strong withdrawals.  But that lingering fear from last Sept is almost like PTSD to me!

 

The percentages make sense to me...they're referencing terpene percentages. They're indicating the terpene myrcene should be above .5% to produce Indica-like, sedative, "couch lock" effects, and if it's less than .5%, it'll produce more Sativa-like effects.

 

Myrcene is the most abundant terpene in cannabis. It's produced by multiple strains. It's also the terpene that helps THC take effect more quickly. It's found in mangoes, and there's an old wives tale that if you eat a mango before ingesting cannabis, it'll help you get more high more quickly. If there's truth to it, it's the myrcene. 

 

Here are a couple of articles I referenced:

 

https://thestash.wikileaf.com/terpene-myrcene/

 

https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/myrcene-linalool-and-bisabolol-what-are-the-benefits-of-these-can

[[Ly...]]

Thanks so much!

[[Ly...]]

Does anyone know of any good websites to check out for cannabis information?  Especially as they relate to taper and withdrawal symptoms that we tend to have?

[[Sc...]]

Yes, withdrawing from THC-dominant products should also just take a few days to a week.  Maybe you'll get a headache.  Maybe some insomnia or irritability.  But nothing like benzo withdrawal. 

 

In my experience, smoking/vaping is usually good for an hour or two.  Alcohol tinctures taken on an empty stomach are usually good for 3-6 hours.  Tinctures taken on a full stomach or edibles are usually good for 4-8 hours, but are less efficiently absorbed.

 

Terpene profiling is getting more sophisticated (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201119), but I don't think anybody has enough data to say that a particular terpene biotype is the most appropriate for a given malady.  That's still in the realm of trial and error (unfortunately).  Also - that info is mostly for THC-dominant flower.  I've seen different terpene profiles in CBD-dominant flowers.  But I think it's good to pay attention to that terpene profile as well as the cannabinoid numbers.  If that product works for you, you'll want to be able to find something similar in the future.  If it doesn't agree with you, you'll want to know what to avoid.

Much thanks!

[[au...]]

Does anyone know of any good websites to check out for cannabis information?  Especially as they relate to taper and withdrawal symptoms that we tend to have?

 

I googled "cannabis and benzodiazepene withdrawal" and nothing, really. First, there is an article from 1998 by Dr. Ashton that's kind of anti-cannabis (sad for me...not reading the rest), then there are several articles regarding using CBD to come off benzos. The lack of information and research is frustrating.

 

I've definitely had to employ my personal and professional knowledge to use appropriate strains with lower THC percentages that I didn't think would cause me additional anxiety. Because I'm attempting to treat depression as well as anxiety, I tend to use Sativas during the day and Indicas at night. I also use CBD to try and negate paranoia or other negative side effects of THC. CBD is supposed to help balance out those negative side effects.

 

I regularly use https://www.leafly.com/explore to research strains. Use the Advanced Filters to research strains based on flavor, effect or symptom. The strain reviews are helpful too, but taken with a grain of salt, of course, since strains can affect everyone differently.

[[Gr...]]

Last night I tried cannabis oil for the first time and I also ended up having nausea and diarrhea.  Tell me these are unrelated.  Right?  They have to be, right?  Can cannabis oil cause nausea and diarrhea?

[[Sc...]]

Last night I tried cannabis oil for the first time and I also ended up having nausea and diarrhea.  Tell me these are unrelated.  Right?  They have to be, right?  Can cannabis oil cause nausea and diarrhea?

Not sure exactly what you mean by cannibis oil, but in the literature that came with my hemp CBD oil it did say that it can cause either constipation or diarrhea upon start up.

Good luck, maybe call vendor???

[[Gr...]]

The literature that came with mine got wet and thrown away.  It is cannabis oil that is from an indica plant with THC.  Yeah I might call them about it.