Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group

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Hi all I’m currently holding @ my regular 3.5mg per day after .25 dry cut too much, then was trying to crossover to new generic simultaneously because of hey discontinued the generic I’ve been taking daily for 8 years & have important travel coming up.

I don’t plan to start a new taper for 2-3 weeks & until I have a proper plan.

 

I then found out, still have to confirm for self, but that my generic manufacturer only discontinued klonopin in their .5mg, but not their 1mg, so in the name of panicking & wanting to stabilize, I asked doc to write my .5mg script in the teva 1mg generic, with pills to be split to my .5 dose.

 

My doses:6am .5 12pm .5  6pm .5 bed time 2mg

 

My question, if I want to stay on this manufacturer, teva, in the 1mg tablet, it would be very difficult, it seems to dry cut taper, so would it be possible with my doses to dlmt or just some sort of liquid taper?

 

Anyone out there willing to help when I’m ready to start again?

 

Hope your all well.

 

PS I’m weary of using alcohol for liquid.

 

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My question, if I want to stay on this manufacturer, teva, in the 1mg tablet, it would be very difficult, it seems to dry cut taper, so would it be possible with my doses to dlmt or just some sort of liquid taper?

 

 

Good day!

 

There are hundreds of posts in your history confirming that you can do a dlmt, and detailed instructions to carry it out.  :

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Today is day 4 at .003ml reduction, woohoo!!  Love DLMT, hallelujah for this method. 

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Today is day 4 at .003ml reduction, woohoo!!  Love DLMT, hallelujah for this method.

 

I'm so glad it's going well for you, Unicorn.

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Today is day 4 at .003ml reduction, woohoo!!  Love DLMT, hallelujah for this method.

 

That's how I felt when I actually cut from 9 down to 8.5 after repeated failures with C&H! 

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Hey Gard- you're moving along so well w/ your taper! Glad it's going well.  Did you any difference decreasing your dose frequency? I'm wondering if I'll have to dose more often as I get lower ... like if there will be interdose b/c of duration of action? I dose one a day at 9pm. Any thoughts on this?I'm at 7.78 mg Librium.

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Today is day 4 at .003ml reduction, woohoo!!  Love DLMT, hallelujah for this method.

 

It really does change the whole taper experience, I was miserable with the cut and hold.  DLMT saved me, glad it's doing the same for u, Uni

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Hey Gard- you're moving along so well w/ your taper! Glad it's going well.  Did you any difference decreasing your dose frequency? I'm wondering if I'll have to dose more often as I get lower ... like if there will be interdose b/c of duration of action? I dose one a day at 9pm. Any thoughts on this?I'm at 7.78 mg Librium.

 

Hi, Libr. I hope you're doing well, too. I think dosing twice/day is typical for librium. I didn't have any problems switching to twice. With shorter-acting drugs, I've seen people need to dose more often as they got lower. I'd be surprised if you had to do this with Librium. But it if your symptoms ramp up, it would be worth a try going to twice. It's not much trouble. I mix up my doses at supper time and take one at night and one in the morning.

 

Gard

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My question, if I want to stay on this manufacturer, teva, in the 1mg tablet, it would be very difficult, it seems to dry cut taper, so would it be possible with my doses to dlmt or just some sort of liquid taper?

 

 

Good day!

 

There are hundreds of posts in your history confirming that you can do a dlmt, and detailed instructions to carry it out.  :

Builder,

As far as I can remember their were people helping me with using Jim’s charts & with using a compounded liquid made from the pharmacy. My doctor is no longer willing to write for liquid & I have no clue how to make my own nor taper without Jim’s charts.

 

Please don’t give up on helping me. You are supposed to be the dlmt or liquid taper guru. I’m sorry I’ve had a hard time grasping things.

 

I have to focus on my upcoming ms specialist out of town appointment now, but it would be reassuring that I’ll have support here once I get through that.

 

Also, now teva is discontinuing all their stuff so I’ll have to choose some generic to crossover to, again.

 

Hope your well

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Today is day 4 at .003ml reduction, woohoo!!  Love DLMT, hallelujah for this method.

 

It really does change the whole taper experience, I was miserable with the cut and hold.  DLMT saved me, glad it's doing the same for u, Uni

Mary, who helped you learn how to dlmt? Builder thinks I’ve had enough help, but if I say I’ve no clue, I assure everyone I’ve no clue. Are you willing to help when I’m ready? Thanks glad your well

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Today is day 4 at .003ml reduction, woohoo!!  Love DLMT, hallelujah for this method.

 

It really does change the whole taper experience, I was miserable with the cut and hold.  DLMT saved me, glad it's doing the same for u, Uni

Mary, who helped you learn how to dlmt? Builder thinks I’ve had enough help, but if I say I’ve no clue, I assure everyone I’ve no clue. Are you willing to help when I’m ready? Thanks glad your well

 

Scardie, I know someone will help when you are ready. You have other stuff on your plate right now and are on information overload, so best not try to figure out all the details of a dlmt just yet.

 

When you are ready to start, I suggest you post your details on the Titration board. Start your own thread there asking for help wth DLMT. You will want to give very specific details such as tablet size, current dose, and how much you want to cut per month. Ask for detailed directions. There are several people who are helping others and can help you, too. Don't worry. When you are ready to start, someone will be able to help.

 

Meanwhile, try not to let tapering worries take over your life. Your brain needs a break from worrying. Posting questions over and over feeds the worry. It can also get you lost so you can't even remember what you posted or find your posts. Which feeds the worry. And so on. I would urge you to find a hobby or other distraction that has nothing to do with benzos and spend time every single day giving your brain a break from thinking about tapering.

 

Gard

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My question, if I want to stay on this manufacturer, teva, in the 1mg tablet, it would be very difficult, it seems to dry cut taper, so would it be possible with my doses to dlmt or just some sort of liquid taper?

 

 

Good day!

 

There are hundreds of posts in your history confirming that you can do a dlmt, and detailed instructions to carry it out.  :

Builder,

As far as I can remember their were people helping me with using Jim’s charts & with using a compounded liquid made from the pharmacy. My doctor is no longer willing to write for liquid & I have no clue how to make my own nor taper without Jim’s charts.

 

Please don’t give up on helping me. You are supposed to be the dlmt or liquid taper guru. I’m sorry I’ve had a hard time grasping things.

 

I have to focus on my upcoming ms specialist out of town appointment now, but it would be reassuring that I’ll have support here once I get through that.

 

Also, now teva is discontinuing all their stuff so I’ll have to choose some generic to crossover to, again.

 

Hope your well

Combine 30mg K + 60ml PG or vodka + 240ml water.  This will give you a liquid with .1mg per ml.  At your current dose (3.5mg) this will be approx an 8-9 day supply.

 

3.5 mg will be 35ml.  Create a schedule and just lower your dose each day.

 

Simply draw out your scheduled dose and drink it.

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Thanks gardener & builder.

 

Gard your right I’ve other things on my plate right now & hopefully when I’m ready the right help will be there. And right about forgetting posts etc. thanks!

 

Builder,

Thanks for the nice outline, although I’d need to go much more into depth, having more questions etc. when the time comes. I just wanted to know if you’d be there when I’m m ready. Didn’t mean for you to show me right now. Much thanks

 

Be well all

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Builder, you and I have been around here a long time.

 

And I don’t always understand your math calculations myself. I’m a former math teacher, and I simply calculate a different way than you do.

 

All I’m saying is that you may actually have to take some time to explain your method for liquid titration to a newbie with a bit in depth info.

 

And there is that possibility that some people prefer milk rather than vodka or PG.

 

I’ve read for years here that the majority here say “I’m not a math type person” or something like that.

 

Yeah I know your an engineer. By brother is an electrical engineer. My grandson is in his fourth year of mine engineeringing and environmental engineering. And I’m a crisis counselor and former math teacher like I said. So there’s some real educational expertise here.

 

Let’s just cut those desperate and frightened newbies some slack on their expertise. I’m going to do that.

 

 

 

 

 

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Builder, you and I have been around here a long time.

 

And I don’t always understand your math calculations myself. I’m a former math teacher, and I simply calculate a different way than you do.

 

All I’m saying is that you may actually have to take some time to explain your method for liquid titration to a newbie with a bit in depth info.

 

And there is that possibility that some people prefer milk rather than vodka or PG.

 

I’ve read for years here that the majority here say “I’m not a math type person” or something like that.

 

Yeah I know your an engineer. By brother is an electrical engineer. My grandson is in his fourth year of mine engineeringing and environmental engineering. And I’m a crisis counselor and former math teacher like I said. So there’s some real educational expertise here.

 

Let’s just cut those desperate and frightened newbies some slack on their expertise. I’m going to do that.

 

You are obviously a caring compassionate person.  And it would be caring and compassionate if you help reassure folks that this isn't complicated!!

 

To create a solution, you simply combine 3 ingredients...benzo, solvent, and water.  It's about as complicated as stirring milk and sugar into your morning coffee.  Its easier than making a cake from a box mix.  Milk taper?  Even easier, only 2 ingredients.  Drop 1mg benzo in 100ml milk.

 

Then you reduce your dose by following a schedule.  You have to have a schedule, no matter how you taper.  Cut&hold, daily micro, cutting pills, weighing powder on a scale, you follow a schedule and reduce your dose.  I post schedules for folks several times every week.  I have posted at least 2 for Scaredie already.

 

And if you can read a ruler, or a measuring cup, then you can read an oral syringe.  They all work the same way.  Look at the line and read the number.

 

You don't need to be math teacher, or an engineer.  Its a very simple procedure.

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Yep, I am a compassionate person builder. And over the years I’ve done plenty of reassuring people who had no idea whatsoever how to liquid taper.

 

I then I proceeded to go into detail about how to do the procedure.

 

And I’ve also reassured Scaredie myself numerous times that this is pretty simple to do. No need to tell me how a liquid taper is done. I’m doing that for myself. And yes I get the schedule thing. Although I do tell folks the schedule is not set in stone. If they get stuck with some rough w/d, I tell them they should consider holding till those sx settle down.

 

I’ve been doing this for years so absolutely no need to instruct me on this whatsoever. I just find you to be curt with people as if they will “get it” automatically.

 

Perhaps it’s the actual teaching ability. Teachers often have to explain things in great detail and sometimes repeatedly. It does require patience, and you don’t seem to have much of that.

 

Maybe some folks here pick this up like the drop of a hat, but I’ve taught many here who had a really difficult time understanding it. Just like teenagers often do.

 

I actually taught alternative middle school in 3 levels-remedial, average student, and advanced. I got so many questions from all these kids, I just learned to explain in great detail how to do all kinds of math problems. This process seems very similar to me because we get people here who are cog fogged, others who on track with tapering but just can’t get past a dry cut taper and want to switch to liquid, and then others who pick up the liquid taper fast as lightening. So I do what’s necessary and take into consideration how they are feeling and what they are asking me. This isn’t math class for sure, and only one kid I taught was on klonopin for seizures, but patience was the key for me.

 

You just don’t seem very patient. Well, that’s my observation, but you are you and I am me. Some people are just not understanding the liquid taper so I take my time to explain and answer questions. I sure don’t expect someone to pick it up right away. If they do, that’s great. Enough said.

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To create a solution, you simply combine 3 ingredients...benzo, solvent, and water.  It's about as complicated as stirring milk and sugar into your morning coffee.  Its easier than making a cake from a box mix. 

 

 

Short response: Oh, my God. No it's not! (Disclaimer: I've baked hundreds of cakes with and without mixes. Easy peasy.)

 

Long response: If a person is going through withdrawal and is trying to learn a new thing, especially something much more important than baking a cake, they are going to be anxious about it even if you tell them it's easy. In fact, if they are struggling to grasp something and they've tried and can't, and you tell them it's easy, that's likely to make them even more anxious.  I suggest a better message would be: "You can do this. One step at a time. I will be there to coach you along until you can do it on your own."

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Gard,

 

That’s my method to a tee. I agree with you completely. Actually, learning is not necessarily an easy task.

 

I had to learn how to teach. I had plenty of gang kids who were totally in the dark. But they eventually picked up how to add and subtract, multiply and divide. And then there were those others who were doing ok, but just could not grasp some basic part of algebra like which formula to use or how to set up an equation with a story type question. And when I explained that, they would say “oh, now I get it.

 

And then there were those super advanced kids (always boys) who were determined to “take me down.” They were super smart and definitely ready for college level calculus. So that would go on for a weeks or so, so I knew I had to shut that down ASAP. And all it took was a session of lessons on absolute value and using equations using absolute value. After a few days of that, they had so much trouble, that they were happy to get back to advanced calculus. I actually found I had to study up myself on absolute value to teach them. More complicated than I ever thought with those equations involved. I began to realize that the curriculum had totally left that lesson out.

 

Patience in teaching anyone anything is key. And especially a frightened Benzo person.

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Gard,

 

That’s my method to a tee. I agree with you completely.

 

Another disclaimer: I'm a retired teacher.

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Me too Gard. Retired from the counseling also. Kind of good match for me. Patience with people in crisis so I could help them.

 

Never dreamed I end up here. But it all helps.

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When the remaining 10% who need extra help appear, then those that feel able only need to put their hand up to help...

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