Valium/Diazepam Support Group

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"HEALING TO ALL,And A Better 2021"

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[[Mo...]]

Benzolottie,

Welcome.  I'm sorry for how much you are suffering.  I hope you can find some stabilization before beginning your taper.

 

begood,

Merry Christmas to you and to all as well!

[[Ni...]]

This morning I cut to 13 mg of valium. Hope things go well...

 

Merry Christmas everyone! 🎄 🎁

[[Be...]]

Benzolottie,

Welcome.  I'm sorry for how much you are suffering.  I hope you can find some stabilization before beginning your taper.

 

 

Thank you for replying. I see Psych provider Jan 4th, hopefully by then we can discuss my tapering. I'd really like to start again.

[[ar...]]

Hello every one,

 

It's been a while but my substitution from K to valium was not fun, the Ashton one didn't work for me so I had to go to a full substitution right away, it was hell, but I did it. At the same time we were trying an AD prozac for 12 days because I was crying sooo much, but it didn't help and even gave me insomnia, so with my general practitioner we decided to stop it. Anyway I stabilized at 18ml diazepam during 3 weeks and I began to taper by 5% every 8 days, it was ok for 2 weeks, I'm now at 15,45 ml/day 3 times a day 9am/3pm/9PM, and then this week, it's not fun, my belly is killing me again, I lost my appetite again, lot of anxiety, I cry again... So I'm going to give me 3 more days and then taper by 3 %... I just want to fonction witch I'm not most of the time, can't drive, short term memory is gone, no desire... all of you, you know it.

 

I always try to be positive, I work on my breathing and relaxation, I do Erickson hypnose, homeopathy...

 

But right know I fear that tapering by 3% is not going to work and I want a plan B. How you guys are doing your taper ?

 

Thank you for reading me, merry christmas and happy new year.

 

Armelle

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Armelle,  I'm in the same spot as you.  I'm at 15 mg Diaz. and somewhat functional.  I have ok days and I have bad days.  After a long Christmas day yesterday, I'm definitely suffering today.  I moved from cut and hold to microtapering. I do think microtapering has been less harsh on the body.  I'm trying to stay functional to work and take care of my children.  I am also planning a 3 % cut this month instead of 6 %.  So, I'll be going down .002 in weight every day for a month.  I can't tell if holding helps me or not.  I held on December 11th for a couple of weeks and I feel better in some ways and worse in others.  What are your thoughts on holding.  You can pm me too since we are in very similar tapering levels.  I'm currently just below 15 mg.  I was thinking about cutting out my afternoon dose but now I'm having second thoughts.  I don't really want to cut my pm dose because I get a full night sleep.  And I don't feel well in the mornings so, I would hate to cut my am dose.  What are your thoughts? 

 

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[[Ni...]]

I cut to 13 from 14 mg of valium in the morning yesterday, I'm feeling weak and nauseous today. Is this normal?

[[Ma...]]

Nik, those are very common withdrawal symptoms, so yes.  Hope they pass quickly for you!!

Mary 🙋🏼😘😷

[[Ni...]]

Nik, those are very common withdrawal symptoms, so yes.  Hope they pass quickly for you!!

Mary 🙋🏼😘😷

Thank you Mary! ❤ they have subsided now. What remains is a small tinge of physical anxiety but nothing serious.

[[Be...]]

I cut to 13 from 14 mg of valium in the morning yesterday, I'm feeling weak and nauseous today. Is this normal?

 

Cutting Valium always made me feeling worse the day following a cut. So I would say it's quite normal. If it's too much for you, you could reduce your cut from 1 mg to .5, some find that easier. It's entirely up to you. 

[[Ni...]]

I cut to 13 from 14 mg of valium in the morning yesterday, I'm feeling weak and nauseous today. Is this normal?

 

Cutting Valium always made me feeling worse the day following a cut. So I would say it's quite normal. If it's too much for you, you could reduce your cut from 1 mg to .5, some find that easier. It's entirely up to you.

Thank you for the advice, I think I'm able to do 1 mg cuts but I'm soon gonna get admitted to the hospital to taper off the valium and I think they will do 2 mg cuts there. I'm not sure how I will react to those..

[[Ni...]]

Im having moderate to severe physical anxiety now. Will I stabilize?

[[Ma...]]

Im having moderate to severe physical anxiety now. Will I stabilize?

 

It just takes some time.  You need to hold if the symptom is too much, if it's something you can handle, just move forward.  Do you have to cut a whole mg at a time?  You might do better cutting less.  Why are you going into a hospital, where you will be giving up your control?  I honestly believe tapering should be managed by you and how you are feeling.  That's just my opinion.  🙋🏼😷

[[bl...]]

Hi group:

 

Dropped down to 2.6 mg 12/27. And to 2.50 mg 12/30. 10% for the month.

 

Short for words. However, hope all are chipping away at reductions.

 

Mary I see you are moving right along.

 

Cheers

[[ki...]]

Well done, Blue! How are you feeling?

[[bl...]]

Well done, Blue! How are you feeling?

 

Hi kitsune556

 

Seem ok with reductions from 4mg to 2.6mg. Nothing like last year with my rapid reduction. Held at 4mg for quite some time.

Have 1 1/2 bottles of the liquid 5ml/5mg with one refill---would like to be at low non-theraputic dose by March 2021.

 

I do understand how higher dose tapers feel---improvement takes time--a bit at a time.

 

 

Cheers

[[ar...]]

Armelle,  I'm in the same spot as you.  I'm at 15 mg Diaz. and somewhat functional.  I have ok days and I have bad days.  After a long Christmas day yesterday, I'm definitely suffering today.  I moved from cut and hold to microtapering. I do think microtapering has been less harsh on the body.  I'm trying to stay functional to work and take care of my children.  I am also planning a 3 % cut this month instead of 6 %.  So, I'll be going down .002 in weight every day for a month.  I can't tell if holding helps me or not.  I held on December 11th for a couple of weeks and I feel better in some ways and worse in others.  What are your thoughts on holding.  You can pm me too since we are in very similar tapering levels.  I'm currently just below 15 mg.  I was thinking about cutting out my afternoon dose but now I'm having second thoughts.  I don't really want to cut my pm dose because I get a full night sleep.  And I don't feel well in the mornings so, I would hate to cut my am dose.  What are your thoughts? 

 

4 am    2 afternoon  9 pm

 

 

Hello,

 

So I was on clonazepam before and switch to valium, i began at 18mg, and tomorrow I'm going to be at 15mg/ml Per day for seven days. The hours I take them are perfect for me, 9am/15pm/9pm. May be you'll have to try to move your 4AM and your 2PM, I was like you before and I slowly went to 9AM... My sleep is ok. I began to taper 5% every 8 days, it was to much for me, i did 3 more days (so 11 days), and tomorrow I'll go for 3% of the previous dose every 7 days (yes, it's going to take 2 years...). I'll keep you posted on how it works, but I guess every body is different.

 

In fact, I live in Texas but I'm french too, so I'm in a same group than this one but the French version. They are really aware too about the Ashton manual, and the moderator of the site wrote a book with others on how they improve Ashton methods... Anyway for now they are helping me... I'll see. If it doesn't work i'm going to try the micro tapering (the every day one...)

 

On top of it, I'm helping myself with homeopathy, I have a friend in France, a doctor but also homeopath who is helping me. I also do a lot of breathing exercises, hypnose method Erickson with a specialist here, it's helping a lot, meditation is helping me too. I  have no desire about anything but I try to stay occupied : puzzles keep my mind far away from the suffer. I still teach french 2 hours per week, i go for a walk with my husband even if I'm sooo tired, one step at a time... And I try to do little things in the home. I'm lucky in a way, we are an empty nest our kids are gone... I'm 53 so it's only us...

 

We all have windows and bad moments, I think we have to try to stay positive, be gentle with yourself, every day is a win.

 

If you didn't read it already Baylissa Fredericks "recovery and renewal", it's a positive book, it is helping me a lot too ! One day we're going to be free of that crap ! We have to believe it and to be patient (not my better quality, but i know it's going to be less painful if I'm going slowly).

 

You can Pm me first because I didn't know how to do it pffffff

 

 

Armelle

 

 

[[Ni...]]

I've had mild to moderate physical anxiety today, better than yesterday. I hope this trend line keeps on going up.

[[jo...]]

Should I up-dose a little when I switch to Rx liquid?

 

I am still holding at 3.4mg a day (2mg pill morning/1.4mg night) and have been waiting until I stabilize a bit more before I switch to the Rx liquid. I've been going through a tough wave the last 2 weeks. I plan to switch out my entire 1.4mg night dose first to see how I react before I switch out the 2mg pill day dose.

 

I have read where other BB experienced the sx of a cut when they switched to Rx liquid, which is why I am asking if anyone felt the need to up-dose a little after you switched. I thought maybe raising the night dose up to 1.5mg from 1.4mg, but I'm just not sure what to do. Not knowing how I will react to this new Rx liquid has pushed my anxiety through the roof.

 

Thanks again to everyone for all the help and support throughout this horrible ordeal.

Jo

[[Mo...]]

I would not updose....I understand the fear as I got scared when I switched each dose over too.  Another option is to just do 1 mg or even .5 mg at a time, if you are able, just to give yourself some confidence.  I had read about people having a bad reaction.  But I did not notice anything bad, and if anything better and that is with the fear.... 

[[jo...]]

Thanks Momof7.

I have plenty of 2mg pills left to do a slow crossover. You're right, it's nerve racking trying a new tapering system after tapering the same way for nearly 2 years. It's difficult to make myself step out of that comfort zone, but I've got to give it a shot because if it helps me only a little in finishing my taper, it's worth the chance.

How many mg a day were you at when you totally switched to all Rx liquid?

[[ki...]]

Jojodancer, I agree with Mom, I wouldn’t updose either. I think switching over gradually will help smooth things over. I’ve read stories of people having symptoms when switching over, but most of what I’ve seen has been people not doing it gradually.

 

Unrelated, but I was reading a book about comedians and it mentioned a movie with Richard Pryor called Jojo Dancer. Is that where you got your username?

[[jo...]]

Jojodancer, I agree with Mom, I wouldn’t updose either. I think switching over gradually will help smooth things over. I’ve read stories of people having symptoms when switching over, but most of what I’ve seen has been people not doing it gradually.

 

Unrelated, but I was reading a book about comedians and it mentioned a movie with Richard Pryor called Jojo Dancer. Is that where you got your username?

 

Kitsune,

You are absolutely correct about where the name came from. Most people have never heard of that movie. Right after high school, many years ago, a few of my friends saw that movie and I have no idea why, but they started calling me JoJo Dancer. My actual name is J*e and I don't dance! For whatever reason it stuck, and before long every time I walked up they would all say "Hey there's JoJo Dancer". They still call me that to this day. When I ask them why, they just shrug their shoulders and say "Don't know, we were kids that just saw a movie that had part of your name in it". It was just teenage friends amusing themselves at my expense, but nearly 40 years later, I wouldn't trade them for the world.

 

Do you think switching the whole 1.4mg at night would be too much to start with? Then after a couple of weeks switch out the 2mg during the day? I kind of worry about the accuracy of having to split 2mg pills to enable me to c/o slower. I have had to split pills in the past, but both halves were taken in the same day.

 

 

[[ki...]]

Jojodancer, I agree with Mom, I wouldn’t updose either. I think switching over gradually will help smooth things over. I’ve read stories of people having symptoms when switching over, but most of what I’ve seen has been people not doing it gradually.

 

Unrelated, but I was reading a book about comedians and it mentioned a movie with Richard Pryor called Jojo Dancer. Is that where you got your username?

 

Kitsune,

You are absolutely correct about where the name came from. Most people have never heard of that movie. Right after high school, many years ago, a few of my friends saw that movie and I have no idea why, but they started calling me JoJo Dancer. My actual name is J*e and I don't dance! For whatever reason it stuck, and before long every time I walked up they would all say "Hey there's JoJo Dancer". They still call me that to this day. When I ask them why, they just shrug their shoulders and say "Don't know, we were kids that just saw a movie that had part of your name in it". It was just teenage friends amusing themselves at my expense, but nearly 40 years later, I wouldn't trade them for the world.

 

Do you think switching the whole 1.4mg at night would be too much to start with? Then after a couple of weeks switch out the 2mg during the day? I kind of worry about the accuracy of having to split 2mg pills to enable me to c/o slower. I have had to split pills in the past, but both halves were taken in the same day.

 

That is a wonderful story. So great that you’ve had those friends all this time.

 

If you want to go slower than switching the whole 1.4, you could do .4 liquid and half a 2 mg tablet, with the half life of Valium I think just splitting the pill carefully should be sufficient. Hold for a while, then replace the 1 mg with Rx liquid. Then do the same with the with the 2 mg. So you’d be switching over 4 stages.

[[va...]]

Hi everyone,

 

In the summer of 2019, my taper went terribly wrong and I went into a tunnel which I later learned was called acute wd, where all my reality was distorted, I lived in terror 24/7, and nobody could help me. Even in this forum when I spoke about it, many people must have thought I was exagerating because I kept doing things and trying to be normal, just to run away from my own brain. I just wanted God to come and end everything. I'm thankful now that he didn't.  I won't go into the details of that time but I'm sure some of you can relate. During that summer, my two cats died. The first one was 14 and had a cronic kidney condition which got worse over the summer and in the month of July, after taking her every day to the vet (me being in acute wd and constant terror), she died. I took her every morning, they had her with IV fluids and I picked her up at 5 pm and gaver meds and more fluids at home but nothing worked. Finally she died. Then my other cat went into a depression. My other cat was only four years old at the time. She stopped eating, and I took her to the vet. They said it was normal as she was grieving her companion, and she'd get over it but try to feed her. I tried to put some can food into her but she always rejected it. Then she stopped drinking. Two days of this and I took her to the vet again. Due to not eating or drinking because of the depression, she had developed an acute kidney desease. They ran many tests and an ecography. They discovered she only had one kidney (she had always been a very weak kitty). She was admitted into the vet hospital and every day she spent the day there with IV fluids and meds. The same routine as for my elder cat. On the seventh day she died at home as it was a Sunday. It was quite obvious from the beginning that she would die but I did what I could and was instructed. Even though the vets told me that there was nothing more I could've done to keep her alive, and that she was very weak from birth and that it was a miracle that she'd lived four years, the guilt ate at me and I feel guilty to this day that had I not been in the state I was, I could've prevented her from dying and maybe even the older one too. I was too scared to get another cat after that, and too sad, and I didn`t trust myself. After a year and a half of my friends insisting I get another cat and me missing my little one so much, I finally brought this one to our lives. She's two and a half months old and very healthy and playful. She's always hungry. She's been with me for three weeks and I wanted to introduce her to you. Her name is Sheyna and she's a bundle of love. She's on my profile pic.