No Longer Believe in Full Healing

[[Pa...]]

I was hoping this thread would die out when I saw Marigold1 and Bwillow24 bow out. 

[[Bw...]]

I was hoping this thread would die out when I saw Marigold1 and Bwillow24 bow out.

 

Well I wanted to stay out but,

Don’t really understand this. One was making good points based on evidence and experiences.

The other person added nothing except everyone that doesn’t agree with him is ignorant or stubborn. I’ve received multiple positive PM’s as a response. There is another thread on here talking about how therapy helped them.

A lot of stubborn people seem to be doing better I guess. Isn’t the point of this board to help others?

 

[[Pa...]]

I wasn't taking sides, I applauded your willingness to call it a day since there was no point in continuing when it was going around in circles.  This thread has had some good discussions and it didn't blow up like some do, I'm thankful for that. 

[[Bw...]]

I wasn't taking sides, I applauded your willingness to call it a day since there was no point in continuing when it was going around in circles.  This thread has had some good discussions and it didn't blow up like some do, I'm thankful for that.

 

Ok sounds good. I’ve learned it’s not worth it to go back and forth if it’s not a on going discussion of info and people are just getting upset or take post the wrong way,  I’ll bow out of any exchange that reaches that point because it’s not doing anyone any favors.  I don’t like to argue or make anyone feel bad, never my intent, I wish the best for everyone and hope to help others with recovery.

Unfortunately my words were twisted into people thinking I was speaking directly to their situation.

Sorry it even got to the point it did.

[[Ka...]]

Cathy, I have seen some pretty good partial changes with this stuff, that happened fairly quickly during the good parts of my various tapers.. Changes that put me into a position that I could actually start working more actively on them.. It was also a good source of hope and strength for the bad times..

Sorry, its all still a bit muddy to be too specific, but lets just say that for ME it was 50/50.. Half just happened, and half needed to be actively worked on.. (roughly)

-Then there is this final taper... -lets not go there..!! Lol

 

Just my story, for what its worth..

oh it would be so wonderful to have even a partial window right now, me getting bronchitis this last month really didn't help things much, I hope this final taper works for you ( 3 is a charm:) Thank you for your words of reassurance Can't))

@Marigold, I'm sorry too, i'm sure things are much more stressful there than here, I hope they start getting better soon.

[[ea...]]

What concerns me is the ANGER I feel coming from this entire thread.

All of us have a right to be angry about what has happened to us. But on the other hand, holding all that anger will only delay your healing.

IF you are feeling reallt angry about what has happened, you might sit back and figure out just what it is you are angry about. Your doctor? Or are you angry at yourself for taking benzos in the first place?

east

[[je...]]

Never fully recovered! This is an infinite regret for me! This is a fatal mistake! Every day I ask myself what more can I expect? I'm just a poor loser! It is a great luxury for me to see others living a healthy and normal life! Squeeze the head, scalp and eyes. No more exercise. I'm a young man and I feel like I'm going to die!

[[Bw...]]

Hell is paved with good intentions. Don't invalidate people's experiences.

 

You’ve invalidated mine and info that could help people.

 

Neuroscience backs what I’ve been saying.

I have a genetic issue Involving COMT.  After I believed was benzo related, for me it wasn’t and for others here it may not be. I would never improve if I had not found it out. I’m his not to invalidate anyone because benzos do cause issues and I’ve never disputed that.

 

“ People with MAO and COMT are predisposed to simply have TOO MUCH ADRENALIN in the body.  When we are born with COMT or MAO-A SNPs it means those enzymes are SLOWED DOWN in the body – current research has proven that COMT and MAO-A SNPs slow down these important chemical processes.”

 

Issues this creates if untreated

 

insomnia – people with too little catecholamines are narcoleptic, they can fall asleep anywhere; those with too many catecholamines simply can’t turn their mind off and lay awake for hours!

chronic pain – pain fibers become more sensitive in the presence of adrenalin, leading to syndromes like fibromyalgia and allodynia; this may cause pain just walking around the block, doing the dishes or rolling over in bed.

high blood pressure – adrenalin increases the rate and force of the heart; excess adrenalin will raise blood pressure – think bulging veins on side of forehead when someone is filled with rage!

POTS and other sympathetic disorders – while the causes of these issue may be complex, they each involve imbalances of the catecholamine stress hormones.

arrhythmia – excess stress placed on the heart often depletes the heart of taurine, magnesium, and nitric oxide; this causes an epilepsy-like effect on heart; that is arrhythmia should be considered a seizure of the heart.

excess sweating – adrenalin actives skin receptors to cause sweating; excess adrenalin often causes excess sweating.

tingling and numbness – excess catecholamines (adrenalin) can cause tingling and numbness on both sides of the body, in the hand and feet; this may mimick neuropathy but is just a side effect of excess adrenalin on the nervous system.

poor circulation – adrenalin pushes blood away from the gut and can cut off flow to the tips of our fingers; for example people with Raynaud’s phenomenon have so much adrenalin that it shuts off the flow of blood completely leaving the skin white and cold.

digestion problems – since adrenalin pushes blood away from the gut, people with MAO and COMT may suffer from IBS; for with less blood there is less oxygen, and we cannot properly digest our food.  Bacteria in the gut also use adrenalin to grow very rapidly.

OCD, anger, mood changes and anxiety – the increase of adrenalin comes at the expense of the loss of dopamine; every molecule of adrenalin is first a molecule of dopamine and so whenever the body produces excess adrenalin/noradrenalin, it will lower the available dopamine.  High adrenalin with low dopamine doesn’t feel good, and may make you cranky and hard to be around.

low thyroid – tyrosine is used to make dopamine, and dopamine is used to make adrenalin; tyrosine is also used to make thyroid hormone, so when we are stressed, thyroid function often drops as there is less tyrosine available to make T3 and T4.

and more…

 

 

The danger of telling everyone everything is benzo related is that they may not get the help they need when benzos are not always the cause. For some yes, that was never argued if you reread my post.

If I believed everything I read here I probably would have lost everything maybe even my life, I don’t regret coming here because it lead me to all this discovery in a difficult way but either way it has been a game changer. It has all helped me learn what is going on and how to treat it.

I have found the right doctors, had the right test, getting critical therapies and using meds as I need them for a quality of life for myself and family.

Many people are put on them for anxiety/panic disorder. They should never be on them long term. There is a lack of education from doctors on this. None of that I disagree with.

Saying that everyone’s problem was caused by benzos or symptoms is 100% incorrect. I’ve had lack off emotions and feelings long before meds. I’ve spend a ton of time with doctors, neuroscience specialist, therapist, etc to learn as much as possible. This info isn’t stuff I’m making up, it’s based on everything I’ve learned from specialist good and bad. TMS AND PAT therapies as well as hypnotherapy have shown to work for Anhedonia. I’ve seen this in person and literature backs it up. It may not work for everyone but it’s helped many and that should give people hope that there is options out there.

 

Citing the info on comt https://www.beyondmthfr.com/a-genetic-cause-of-pain-and-anxiety-comt-mao-and-mthfr/

 

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/COMT

 

 

 

[[bo...]]

Hell is paved with good intentions. Don't invalidate people's experiences.

 

You’ve invalidated mine and info that could help people.

 

Neuroscience backs what I’ve been saying.

I have a genetic issue Involving COMT.  After I believed was benzo related, for me it wasn’t and for others here it may not be. I would never improve if I had not found it out. I’m his not to invalidate anyone because benzos do cause issues and I’ve never disputed that.

 

“ People with MAO and COMT are predisposed to simply have TOO MUCH ADRENALIN in the body.  When we are born with COMT or MAO-A SNPs it means those enzymes are SLOWED DOWN in the body – current research has proven that COMT and MAO-A SNPs slow down these important chemical processes.”

 

Issues this creates if untreated

 

insomnia – people with too little catecholamines are narcoleptic, they can fall asleep anywhere; those with too many catecholamines simply can’t turn their mind off and lay awake for hours!

chronic pain – pain fibers become more sensitive in the presence of adrenalin, leading to syndromes like fibromyalgia and allodynia; this may cause pain just walking around the block, doing the dishes or rolling over in bed.

high blood pressure – adrenalin increases the rate and force of the heart; excess adrenalin will raise blood pressure – think bulging veins on side of forehead when someone is filled with rage!

POTS and other sympathetic disorders – while the causes of these issue may be complex, they each involve imbalances of the catecholamine stress hormones.

arrhythmia – excess stress placed on the heart often depletes the heart of taurine, magnesium, and nitric oxide; this causes an epilepsy-like effect on heart; that is arrhythmia should be considered a seizure of the heart.

excess sweating – adrenalin actives skin receptors to cause sweating; excess adrenalin often causes excess sweating.

tingling and numbness – excess catecholamines (adrenalin) can cause tingling and numbness on both sides of the body, in the hand and feet; this may mimick neuropathy but is just a side effect of excess adrenalin on the nervous system.

poor circulation – adrenalin pushes blood away from the gut and can cut off flow to the tips of our fingers; for example people with Raynaud’s phenomenon have so much adrenalin that it shuts off the flow of blood completely leaving the skin white and cold.

digestion problems – since adrenalin pushes blood away from the gut, people with MAO and COMT may suffer from IBS; for with less blood there is less oxygen, and we cannot properly digest our food.  Bacteria in the gut also use adrenalin to grow very rapidly.

OCD, anger, mood changes and anxiety – the increase of adrenalin comes at the expense of the loss of dopamine; every molecule of adrenalin is first a molecule of dopamine and so whenever the body produces excess adrenalin/noradrenalin, it will lower the available dopamine.  High adrenalin with low dopamine doesn’t feel good, and may make you cranky and hard to be around.

low thyroid – tyrosine is used to make dopamine, and dopamine is used to make adrenalin; tyrosine is also used to make thyroid hormone, so when we are stressed, thyroid function often drops as there is less tyrosine available to make T3 and T4.

and more…

 

 

The danger of telling everyone everything is benzo related is that they may not get the help they need when benzos are not always the cause. For some yes, that was never argued if you reread my post.

If I believed everything I read here I probably would have lost everything maybe even my life, I don’t regret coming here because it lead me to all this discovery in a difficult way but either way it has been a game changer. It has all helped me learn what is going on and how to treat it.

I have found the right doctors, had the right test, getting critical therapies and using meds as I need them for a quality of life for myself and family.

Many people are put on them for anxiety/panic disorder. They should never be on them long term. There is a lack of education from doctors on this. None of that I disagree with.

Saying that everyone’s problem was caused by benzos or symptoms is 100% incorrect. I’ve had lack off emotions and feelings long before meds. I’ve spend a ton of time with doctors, neuroscience specialist, therapist, etc to learn as much as possible. This info isn’t stuff I’m making up, it’s based on everything I’ve learned from specialist good and bad. TMS AND PAT therapies as well as hypnotherapy have shown to work for Anhedonia. I’ve seen this in person and literature backs it up. It may not work for everyone but it’s helped many and that should give people hope that there is options out there.

 

Citing the info on comt https://www.beyondmthfr.com/a-genetic-cause-of-pain-and-anxiety-comt-mao-and-mthfr/

 

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/COMT

 

So if I go to a doctor and explain all that you are saying, I know the reaction I would get. They would be irritated with me for thinking I know more than them. I've gone to countless doctors and explained my symptoms and all they want to do is put me on Zoloft, Prozac, Lexapro, etc. If I mentioned anything about a gene mutation, they would look at me like I'm lunatic. I've tried asking doctors for sleep tests and to check hormones and they won't do it. I had my thyroid checked when I was five months off benzos and they said it was fine as well as my testosterone. At that point, I was living with suicidal ideation and the constant need to pace. I then had my vitamin d tested and b vitamins tested and they all came back fine. At that point I realized I was spending thousands of dollars on medical tests that weren't helping me at all.

[[Bw...]]

Hell is paved with good intentions. Don't invalidate people's experiences.

 

You’ve invalidated mine and info that could help people.

 

Neuroscience backs what I’ve been saying.

I have a genetic issue Involving COMT.  After I believed was benzo related, for me it wasn’t and for others here it may not be. I would never improve if I had not found it out. I’m his not to invalidate anyone because benzos do cause issues and I’ve never disputed that.

 

“ People with MAO and COMT are predisposed to simply have TOO MUCH ADRENALIN in the body.  When we are born with COMT or MAO-A SNPs it means those enzymes are SLOWED DOWN in the body – current research has proven that COMT and MAO-A SNPs slow down these important chemical processes.”

 

Issues this creates if untreated

 

insomnia – people with too little catecholamines are narcoleptic, they can fall asleep anywhere; those with too many catecholamines simply can’t turn their mind off and lay awake for hours!

chronic pain – pain fibers become more sensitive in the presence of adrenalin, leading to syndromes like fibromyalgia and allodynia; this may cause pain just walking around the block, doing the dishes or rolling over in bed.

high blood pressure – adrenalin increases the rate and force of the heart; excess adrenalin will raise blood pressure – think bulging veins on side of forehead when someone is filled with rage!

POTS and other sympathetic disorders – while the causes of these issue may be complex, they each involve imbalances of the catecholamine stress hormones.

arrhythmia – excess stress placed on the heart often depletes the heart of taurine, magnesium, and nitric oxide; this causes an epilepsy-like effect on heart; that is arrhythmia should be considered a seizure of the heart.

excess sweating – adrenalin actives skin receptors to cause sweating; excess adrenalin often causes excess sweating.

tingling and numbness – excess catecholamines (adrenalin) can cause tingling and numbness on both sides of the body, in the hand and feet; this may mimick neuropathy but is just a side effect of excess adrenalin on the nervous system.

poor circulation – adrenalin pushes blood away from the gut and can cut off flow to the tips of our fingers; for example people with Raynaud’s phenomenon have so much adrenalin that it shuts off the flow of blood completely leaving the skin white and cold.

digestion problems – since adrenalin pushes blood away from the gut, people with MAO and COMT may suffer from IBS; for with less blood there is less oxygen, and we cannot properly digest our food.  Bacteria in the gut also use adrenalin to grow very rapidly.

OCD, anger, mood changes and anxiety – the increase of adrenalin comes at the expense of the loss of dopamine; every molecule of adrenalin is first a molecule of dopamine and so whenever the body produces excess adrenalin/noradrenalin, it will lower the available dopamine.  High adrenalin with low dopamine doesn’t feel good, and may make you cranky and hard to be around.

low thyroid – tyrosine is used to make dopamine, and dopamine is used to make adrenalin; tyrosine is also used to make thyroid hormone, so when we are stressed, thyroid function often drops as there is less tyrosine available to make T3 and T4.

and more…

 

 

The danger of telling everyone everything is benzo related is that they may not get the help they need when benzos are not always the cause. For some yes, that was never argued if you reread my post.

If I believed everything I read here I probably would have lost everything maybe even my life, I don’t regret coming here because it lead me to all this discovery in a difficult way but either way it has been a game changer. It has all helped me learn what is going on and how to treat it.

I have found the right doctors, had the right test, getting critical therapies and using meds as I need them for a quality of life for myself and family.

Many people are put on them for anxiety/panic disorder. They should never be on them long term. There is a lack of education from doctors on this. None of that I disagree with.

Saying that everyone’s problem was caused by benzos or symptoms is 100% incorrect. I’ve had lack off emotions and feelings long before meds. I’ve spend a ton of time with doctors, neuroscience specialist, therapist, etc to learn as much as possible. This info isn’t stuff I’m making up, it’s based on everything I’ve learned from specialist good and bad. TMS AND PAT therapies as well as hypnotherapy have shown to work for Anhedonia. I’ve seen this in person and literature backs it up. It may not work for everyone but it’s helped many and that should give people hope that there is options out there.

 

Citing the info on comt https://www.beyondmthfr.com/a-genetic-cause-of-pain-and-anxiety-comt-mao-and-mthfr/

 

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/COMT

 

So if I go to a doctor and explain all that you are saying, I know the reaction I would get. They would be irritated with me for thinking I know more than them. I've gone to countless doctors and explained my symptoms and all they want to do is put me on Zoloft, Prozac, Lexapro, etc. If I mentioned anything about a gene mutation, they would look at me like I'm lunatic. I've tried asking doctors for sleep tests and to check hormones and they won't do it. I had my thyroid checked when I was five months off benzos and they said it was fine as well as my testosterone. At that point, I was living with suicidal ideation and the constant need to pace. I then had my vitamin d tested and b vitamins tested and they all came back fine. At that point I realized I was spending thousands of dollars on medical tests that weren't helping me at all.

 

Your not wrong at all. As I stated it took years, specialist after specialist, getting hospitalized and so on before I was fortunate enough to have one mention the genetic test and then explain the results to me. That came after becoming manic which is putting myself and others in danger. If one doctor had had done this over the last 12 years I never would have almost died from remeron. Te doctor has gone as far to set me up with a team of others that actually keep up to date with the latest research. I feel fortunate but at the same time pissed because of the hell I went through to get there because most doctors go through school and then hand out pills to treat symptoms instead of keeping up to date and caring enough spend quality time with their patients. Insurance company’s are big problem as well. It’s terrible, I feel for everyone struggling and not getting get care regardless of their health issues.

I have one guy in group with Mgfr mutation and the doctor told him to by OTC supplements which has proven to not be effective and so he switched, got started on deplin and after a month felt was a completely different person. So many doctors suck it’s beyond frustrating.

 

I’m also just sharing my experience. I’m not saying you have the same genetic mutation or keep spending money. I’m also not invalidating your situation, I was sharing my experience Incase it helps one other person out there. Wish you the best.

 

Oh one more thing. These test also show you what drugs your body won’t metabolize correctly. This is one reason people have side effects to meds that others don’t. Depending on the mutation it could break it down to fast or to slow. This includes benzos and mine has a big flag for Ativan. Luckily I was not on that. I believe some people who struggle long after stopping drugs like benzos is because it was drug there body couldn’t break down at a normal rate.

[[bo...]]

I'm open to anything, believe me. I've tried so much stuff. So I need to find a doctor and ask them to test my genetics to see if I have an MTHFR gene mutation? And if so they will put me on supplements and then Deplin if the supplements don't work.

[[Bw...]]

I'm open to anything, believe me. I've tried so much stuff. So I need to find a doctor and ask them to test my genetics to see if I have an MTHFR gene mutation? And if so they will put me on supplements and then Deplin if the supplements don't work.

 

I added this to end after your reply so I’ll post again

 

These test also show you what drugs your body won’t metabolize correctly. This is one reason people have side effects to meds that others don’t. Depending on the mutation it could break it down to fast or to slow. This includes benzos and mine has a big flag for Ativan. Luckily I was not on that. I believe some people who struggle long after stopping drugs like benzos is because it was drug there body couldn’t break down at a normal rate. Maybe your one that doesn’t metabolize klonopin well but there was no quick obvious effect because it was more prn use? Not sure on that but just thinking off my head there and from other reviews I’ve read from those who have this.

 

As for deplin, it’s only beneficial for depression if you have that one mutation. I haven’t seen much linked to it for anxiety/anger issues. Anhedonia Is a common symptom of depression but it’s a symptom of several other things and based on what you have said it doesn’t sound like you have most aymtoms major depression issues just lack of emotions. Still worth looking into to. Mine was through gene site. Most physch and pcp docs have it office. Check with insurance first though. It’s like $4000 with out coverage.

[[bo...]]

So you're talking about a gene sight test? Here's the thing. I took benzos for years and had no issues with it. Klonopin. And I quit cold turkey several times with no noticeable issues. It's when I was off the Klonopin for two years and then went back on it for two months that I had this reaction. So how would a test tell me if I would metabolize a benzo well or not if I did for many years and then only after stopping and starting it again that I have issues with it. It seems that my story fits in more with anecdotal evidence about kindling than anything a gene sight test would have told me. And I'm only talking about benzos here. I don't know about other meds.

[[Bw...]]

So you're talking about a gene sight test? Here's the thing. I took benzos for years and had no issues with it. Klonopin. And I quit cold turkey several times with no noticeable issues. It's when I was off the Klonopin for two years and then went back on it for two months that I had this reaction. So how would a test tell me if I would metabolize a benzo well or not if I did for many years and then only after stopping and starting it again that I have issues with it. It seems that my story fits in more with anecdotal evidence about kindling than anything a gene sight test would have told me. And I'm only talking about benzos here. I don't know about other meds.

 

If it is rapidly breakdown you get to much to the brain at once. You wouldnt know much but each time the brain is getting shot of a benzo compared to slowly then that could lead to more damage over time. There is was someone on it here for months before the first sign of a problem she thought was interdose withdrawal. Her doc did the test and find she should never have been put on it. The symptoms are subtle. It’s after stopping the drug the bigger issues show themselves. I carry a card with me now that shows what I need to avoid.

[Guest [so...]]

I had genetic testing and it showed i lacked the enzymes necessary to metabolise hundreds of drugs, unfortunately Valium was not one of them. Still suffering brutal sxs and extremely unwell at  27 months off. Don't know if I'll heal fully and tbh if i healed 50% better than i am now  I'd be ok with that.

[[Sh...]]

Ditto....30 mths and still homebound non functional.

 

I have to believe that everyone heals otherwise I will end it However, I am pretty worn out and really very rarely even bother visiting support groups anymore because of that same shit of...."Just give it more time. 30 mths isnt really that long in this, its all normal to be stuck at home with mental and physical symptoms still at this stage"

 

And this comes from people who healed many many months ago or are only 12 mths off or are semi functional. I understand they are trying to continue to offer hope and reassure themselves as well but it still doesnt take away the fact that im losing hope real fast and starting to believe that I may just be one of the statistics.

 

My doctor really is a nazi whore. All this from drugs i never needed to treat a condition I never had.

 

And then you have to see the little cry babies on TV....."I've been stuck at home for 2 weeks because of this corona virus"...."Its taken a whole month out of my life because if this quarantine".........F**K OFF!

 

Totally agree with you about certain people saying '30months isn't really that long in this state.' Ummm yes it is! 2.5 years is a long time for anything! Let alone this. I feel like some people even say that deliberately to annoy people and make it seem like they have a long time to go still.

[[sa...]]

Hey there, I feel your suffering deeply.

 

Personally, I found some comfort in the thought that there was a "reason" why I was given Ativan in the first place. The (psychological) symptoms I had before taking benzos did not magically disappear once I was off the stuff.

 

Hugs, Satasha

[[Ca...]]

Not every symptom is a benzo symptom.  Not every struggle is related to benzo use.  People do heal.  Some rather quickly.  Some take longer.  Remember that we have no idea what other circumstances are happening in a person’s life.  There are so many health issues and allergies and ways people cope.  It’s impossible to say no one can heal.  We all need hope.  Hope is a choice.  Mind set  is the key to recovery.  I feel for everyone here who expresses no hope.  I know you’re saying your struggle is painful.  We can’t compare pain.  I ask you to look for ways you feel better, however small.  Every day.  And share that, too.  This is my 3rd taper.  I’m feeling good at a very low dose.  I’m well on my way to full recovery.

 

"It’s impossible to say no one can heal." He's not saying that - not speaking for anyone else. It's impossible to say everyone heals is what I'm saying. Why not just admit you are uncertain? That admission is the beginning of true faith, by my definition.

 

People do heal, each day free of the drug means healing, do they heal completely, do they get back to who they were before this happened to them?  We don't know.  How much damage can the human body take before it becomes permanently compromised, we don't know that either because no one has bothered to study this in depth. 

 

Living without hope, or wallowing in our misery cements the negativity into place making it impossible to take steps to find a way to live our lives as best we can making us permanent victims.

 

It's true, we unfortunately don't know. There's really no way to give up since the impulse to feel better is ever present. I'm just saying, at least for me, there's value in letting go of the fight for physical survival and giving way towards spiritual healing. I'm not a body and I know it's not going to last - that's fine.

[[Ma...]]

I think the worst thing is that we do not know. And actually no one on this planet knows what benzos and other meds do to a body. And we do not know about the long term effects. All we know is that we do not know anything and doctors are no help. Besides symptoms we have to deal with the uncertainty in our private and financial life, too. We do not know. We do not know how long we will make it, we do not know how long some good times will last - we do not know. Its very hard to live with this uncertainty. Everyone has to find the own way to cope with it.

[[Bi...]]

I don't know if I believe in full healing, but you can get pretty close to it IF you stay healthy and don't drink or do anything that compromises your gaba receptors. I am 8 or so years off ( lost count long time ago lol) and I have had windows with complete healing or mild symptoms. I personally can deal with the mild stuff as long as I am able to function...but yes in some people healing can take many many years. Not going to sugar coat it. Also if you had issues BEFORE benzos, you will probably still have those issues now. Also check for underlying conditions as always... benzo wd looks like a lot of other different illnesses. Better to rule it all out and know where you stand health wise.

[[pi...]]

I believe in full healing because I did, heal fully. 

 

I agree that all of us have to address health and mental health issues that we might have had before the benzo was introduced to our lives. Mine were physical, the initial symptoms were related to nerve damage in my C spine.  A first misdiagnosis and down the path I went, following doctors that I thought had my wellbeing at heart.

 

Surgery (cervical fusion) arrested my symptoms.  All the other 'stuff' I had was benzo related and went away completely after a fairly long recovery process.

 

pianogirl

[[bo...]]

I literally have no doubt in my mind that what I'm going through is benzo withdrawal. Enough said. Whether these insane symptoms are going to go away or not, I have no idea.

[[Ba...]]

Mmm...nothing much changes, you’re all still trying to scare the hell out of each other.

[[Ca...]]

Mmm...nothing much changes, you’re all still trying to scare the hell out of each other.

Booo...!!

-Dont feel left out... 

 

[Guest [Pa...]]

I'll try to put my ego aside as I say this.. At the end of the day, you'll continue to improve. Most people do. In the meantime, I'd suggest practicing meditation. That's what got alot of us through. Accepting the questions that come without the need of chasing them down their respective rabbit holes. The rabbit holes are endless. You'll never see the light of day as long as you entertain the endless stream of thoughts/possibilities/fears/concerns

 

Eckhart tolle's a great teacher. He's got tons of videos on youtube. Check him out