The Klonopin Klub#2

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I need to read this hope. Holding at 1mg since I tapered too fast from 2mg. Will my body even out? What can I expect? Afternoons are the worst (interpose withdrawal). Trying to take 0.125mg a couple hours before bed, but anxiety won't let me take more at this point. Racing, obsessive thoughts tell me it won't get better, my future's over, and I'll never sleep again (catastrophizing). Knowing there are others out there cheering each other on is good.

 

Tamson, I totally agree with NJ . I got myself very destabilized even on a slow taper . I'm holding after a difficult switch back to part K . You went very fast as she said , I could never do that and keep any sanity!

This is a long process for some of us . I suggest going over to the long hold support group . You'll get great advice and support there wherever you are at .

 

But getting stable before trying any further reductions would be my recommendation , and possibly trying going up some too.

itvmay take  some months to stabilize ... You'll know.

 

miyu

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(Also posted this in long hold support group)

Hi everyone happy holidays and post holidays to all! I finally stabilized on my long hold and have not had any sxs in a couple weeks after a long wave. I know it’s time to resume the taper in the next week or so and am curious what people think of how much to cut? I’m at .06 klonopin doing a dry cut with a gram scale and now that I’m so low I’m making very tiny cuts. Because I’m finally stable and actually feel the best I’ve in months I’m wondering if I can be a bit more aggressive and make a bigger cut (by bigger I mean 10%). Would love any input from veteran long holders. Thanks!

 

 

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(Also posted this in long hold support group)

Hi everyone happy holidays and post holidays to all! I finally stabilized on my long hold and have not had any sxs in a couple weeks after a long wave. I know it’s time to resume the taper in the next week or so and am curious what people think of how much to cut? I’m at .06 klonopin doing a dry cut with a gram scale and now that I’m so low I’m making very tiny cuts. Because I’m finally stable and actually feel the best I’ve in months I’m wondering if I can be a bit more aggressive and make a bigger cut (by bigger I mean 10%). Would love any input from veteran long holders. Thanks!

 

Hi WW, I'm so glad you've stabilized, this is encouraging for me as I am still so unstable and haven't been able to reduce in quite a while.

If I were in your shoes , I would be very cautious , you can always increas your %if you do ok on a first try. It's gong to be hard to reduce a small enough amount I would think with the gram scale?

Even .001 is a big cut at your current dose I think ?

Can you switch to liquid? I now use nut milk for my klonopin. I dissolve one .5 mg tab in 1 ml vodka , and then add 50 mls hazlenut milk , so I can divide my dose evenly .

You could use a 1 ml syringe ... Im sure valley would help you calculate a % , like I'd start with 2-5% . Just my opinion , but then you can see how you do  . No point destabilizing when you've worke so hard to stabilize. 

 

I have a question , when you were unstable , did you feel ill on the K? I find I feel so unwell all the time on it , but I'm not sure if it's just destabilization, and whether it will balance out over time and not feel so bad .

 

I haven't been able to taper much at all in many months , but i did do a switch in September from most of my Valium back to k , and that was really awful! The Valium was awful so I, glad I did it , but I still feel so unwell .

Thank you and I wish you all the best, you're nearly there ! Any encouragement would be most welcome too for my taper ! 

MiYu

 

 

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Hi Miyu,

 

Sorry you are feeling unwell. I did the cut and now at .05 and change. Went down about 5-7%. I can feel it but I’m functioning. I am hesitant to do the liquid because I’m so sensitive to small changes and I’ve heard some people haven’t taken well to liquid and went back to dry cutting. I feel like I’m almost at the finish line but also so far away because of how slow I’m now going. Sending lots of encouragement to you. Remember just one day at a time. Get through the day. 

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Wonderwoman - Hi! I see that you have cut down K dry cut all the way. Here is my question. I have been doing 3% every 2 weeks, but soon 3% won't register on my scale. I am presently at .072 g. AM and .112 g. pm. I might have one more cut that is a true 3%. What do I do next? I don't want to do liquid either. The percentages are going to get larger if I stick to reducing 1% and 2% in the am or pm. I'm at a loss. Any help that anyone can give is much appreciated!

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bballmom: I don't come here much but saw your post.  As you get lower you really can't go by %'s.  Because you are doing a micro taper with the scale you can do what many of us did - find your cut rate by cutting .001 grams per day off of one of your doses.  I did a 10 out of 14 day cut rate - until that became too hard and then I went slower to about 7 days cut out of 14.  I did not cut every day and then hold - just more like a c/h/ pattern that then went to a c/h/h type pattern as I  added in holds because I needed to slow down.  I cut from one dose one day and the other dose the next time to try and keep my dosing even. I did this all the way off.  Most of us did it this way and we all are successfully off of the K.  Our posts are mostly in the archived Klonopin Klub #1 board since we are all done with our tapers and back to living our lives. 

 

Good luck to  you. 

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Thank you Kgirl. I figured that's the way I was going to have to do it. Thank you for your response.

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Thanks Kgirl , hope you are doing Better and better !

MiYu 

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Hey MiYu-

 

I felt unwell even after holding for months and months on certain doses.  I felt *stable*, I guess?  I mean, it's not healed or great, but I could get up and make myself food and bathe and get dressed and do the things that were expected of me and maybe a little more.  But, I definitely did not feel great, and even just this last hold I did, from August to January, I was having anger problems the whole time, and they got less, but I just decided to start my taper again anyways.

 

I mean, over time, during the holds, I definitely, hands down felt BETTER.  Just BETTER.  Not great.  Not well, whatever that is.  I'll let you know when I feel well, if I ever get there.  I think it will be in about two years. 

 

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Hey MiYu-

 

I felt unwell even after holding for months and months on certain doses.  I felt *stable*, I guess?  I mean, it's not healed or great, but I could get up and make myself food and bathe and get dressed and do the things that were expected of me and maybe a little more.  But, I definitely did not feel great, and even just this last hold I did, from August to January, I was having anger problems the whole time, and they got less, but I just decided to start my taper again anyways.

 

I mean, over time, during the holds, I definitely, hands down felt BETTER.  Just BETTER.  Not great.  Not well, whatever that is.  I'll let you know when I feel well, if I ever get there.  I think it will be in about two years. 

 

Hi Greencup , thanks for posting this , it's helpful to know . I do have a question for you , do you feel like after holding for periods of time it made it possible for you to taper some more ? I've had to go sooo slow this last year to even cut the smallest amount . Most of what I've tapered was in the frost three months . I was in pretty bad shape of course , but I just couldn't taper any more at that point . I still can't it seems with out getting severe symptoms . I'm hoping I can get more stable , I doubt I'll be symptom free ., like you , but I would like to feel better than I do now .

Even 1/2 % sends me into bad WDs .

 

I can't believe I've been so stuck for so long. Surely it has to change some time ?

 

You are doing well , I, sure you feel better at a lower dose ?

 

Love, MiYu

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Hey MiYu-

 

I felt unwell even after holding for months and months on certain doses.  I felt *stable*, I guess?  I mean, it's not healed or great, but I could get up and make myself food and bathe and get dressed and do the things that were expected of me and maybe a little more.  But, I definitely did not feel great, and even just this last hold I did, from August to January, I was having anger problems the whole time, and they got less, but I just decided to start my taper again anyways.

 

I mean, over time, during the holds, I definitely, hands down felt BETTER.  Just BETTER.  Not great.  Not well, whatever that is.  I'll let you know when I feel well, if I ever get there.  I think it will be in about two years. 

 

Hi Greencup , thanks for posting this , it's helpful to know . I do have a question for you , do you feel like after holding for periods of time it made it possible for you to taper some more ? I've had to go sooo slow this last year to even cut the smallest amount . Most of what I've tapered was in the frost three months . I was in pretty bad shape of course , but I just couldn't taper any more at that point . I still can't it seems with out getting severe symptoms . I'm hoping I can get more stable , I doubt I'll be symptom free ., like you , but I would like to feel better than I do now .

Even 1/2 % sends me into bad WDs .

 

I can't believe I've been so stuck for so long. Surely it has to change some time ?

 

You are doing well , I, sure you feel better at a lower dose ?

 

Love, MiYu

 

I'm looking at your signature and I see you have been holding with part V and part K since September.  Which way are you going to go with this?  Cut the valium or the klonopin or do a complete crossover? 

 

.30K is a significant amount to cause issues from it.  I felt like the actual doses were causing me interdose withdrawal until I got down below .1875mg of K a day.  I don't know why I don't feel it anymore, or maybe it just isn't as strong. 

 

I do feel like holding has given me the strength and stability to cut further.  I do feel like at this point, I am going to have to go though this no matter whether I cut now or not.  I think I am currently healing from previous cuts, like the summer or even before, so I  feel like part of this hell is already just going to happen no matter what.  I just don't want to add too much fuel to the fire by cutting too much too fast. 

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Hey MiYu-

 

I felt unwell even after holding for months and months on certain doses.  I felt *stable*, I guess?  I mean, it's not healed or great, but I could get up and make myself food and bathe and get dressed and do the things that were expected of me and maybe a little more.  But, I definitely did not feel great, and even just this last hold I did, from August to January, I was having anger problems the whole time, and they got less, but I just decided to start my taper again anyways.

 

I mean, over time, during the holds, I definitely, hands down felt BETTER.  Just BETTER.  Not great.  Not well, whatever that is.  I'll let you know when I feel well, if I ever get there.  I think it will be in about two years. 

 

Hi Greencup , thanks for posting this , it's helpful to know . I do have a question for you , do you feel like after holding for periods of time it made it possible for you to taper some more ? I've had to go sooo slow this last year to even cut the smallest amount . Most of what I've tapered was in the frost three months . I was in pretty bad shape of course , but I just couldn't taper any more at that point . I still can't it seems with out getting severe symptoms . I'm hoping I can get more stable , I doubt I'll be symptom free ., like you , but I would like to feel better than I do now .

Even 1/2 % sends me into bad WDs .

 

I can't believe I've been so stuck for so long. Surely it has to change some time ?

 

You are doing well , I, sure you feel better at a lower dose ?

 

Love, MiYu

 

I'm looking at your signature and I see you have been holding with part V and part K since September.  Which way are you going to go with this?  Cut the valium or the klonopin or do a complete crossover? 

 

.30K is a significant amount to cause issues from it.  I felt like the actual doses were causing me interdose withdrawal until I got down below .1875mg of K a day.  I don't know why I don't feel it anymore, or maybe it just isn't as strong. 

 

I do feel like holding has given me the strength and stability to cut further.  I do feel like at this point, I am going to have to go though this no matter whether I cut now or not.  I think I am currently healing from previous cuts, like the summer or even before, so I  feel like part of this hell is already just going to happen no matter what.  I just don't want to add too much fuel to the fire by cutting too much too fast.

 

Yes I know , I do feel issues  on the k . I'm keeping it the way it is , with the 2 mgs V . I don't want anymore k added and I wasn't doing well on all V when I was on that . I tried to cross to all K and that was horrible too , so I'm starting with the k , and will leave the v til last , because of its longer half life.

 

I'm insanely sensitive to cuts , so at this point I think I'm at about 2.5% reduced , almost down to .29k , but it's taken me several months! And I'm mostly bed bound at that ! So I have to go super slow, I dont See any other way . I can cut something like 1/3rd % and then have to hold for three weeks , and even that's hard . Yesterday I had a better day and was able to get out , but today back to weak legs and anxiety and burning etc. the worst thing I think for me is the stress intolerance , it makes everything difficult. And the anxiety if course . That comes and goes .

 

So , I had hoped that yesterday is as on the upswing, but today back to same old 

 

I'm going to wait a bit longer and see if I can get more stability , then try again .

 

my crosses were Terrible too, form K to V and then Back to mostly K again . They were like acute WD for me even with going slowly . When I crossed back to K my doctor had me do it all in one day ... Stupid man , it was hell ! He said it wasn't possible as the K binds so tightly to GABA receptors ..... However .... They are totally different drugs chemically ,  why he can't understand that I have no idea

And he's a "specialist " in WD !

Trying to stay positive ... It's all we can do , and we will get this one way or another .

 

Love , MiYu

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Hi, I'm looking for the first K-pin club. Joined before but was reading to gain insight. I can't navigate here as am new again. Can someone give me instructions how to access. I realize the page is closed. But want to read. Thank you!

 

Withdrew Tramadol 2015 nasty

Withdrew Ambien 2016

Current-50mgs Seroquel bedtime

900mgs Gabapentin daily

Take Percocet 5mg as needed chronic pain

Morphine .15mg slow release not everyday

Klonopin 2mgs daily since 2007

I am very scared from K-pin stories

 

 

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Hi, I'm looking for the first K-pin club. Joined before but was reading to gain insight. I can't navigate here as am new again. Can someone give me instructions how to access. I realize the page is closed. But want to read. Thank you!

 

Withdrew Tramadol 2015 nasty

Withdrew Ambien 2016

Current-50mgs Seroquel bedtime

900mgs Gabapentin daily

Take Percocet 5mg as needed chronic pain

Morphine .15mg slow release not everyday

Klonopin 2mgs daily since 2007

I am very scared from K-pin stories

 

 

Hi Ruthy,

 

I'm sorry I don't know how to find it. It should be in archived posts I think at the bottom of the home page. Maybe there's a moderator you can ask .... Not sure how to find them either!

 

You could also try sending a pm to Kgirl, who seems to check in , she was in that group.

 

Good luck ,,let me know if you find it

MiYu

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Has anyone else had a problem with chest shocks after eating during withdrawal process?  Off Klonopin for 10 weeks yesterday... It was a low does C/T stop (medically monitored) & could not be avoided at the time.  After I eat - I get a shock or a ZAP that is really intense. Usually followed with a headache.  A few times I get really close to syncope.  Worst symptom by far. 

 

The type of food makes no difference.  It seems to be anything in my stomach.... is hitting an incredibly sensitive vagus nerve. 

 

Anyone else?  Remedy?

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Has anybody had vision issues tapering from klonopin? Do u get your vision back? Not sure I am posting right but do want to join this club as klonopin seems to be the hardest Benzo to go off of and I cut back way too fast from 1.5 mg to 1 mg in January. Regret this.

xxoo

Miamigirl

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Kuser - I have not had that, but I've had a lot of stomach issues due to withdrawal.  That sounds awful. 

 

Miamigirl -  I have totally had vision issues!  Tbh, I am not sure what is due to withdrawal and what isn't, but I know that sometimes I need my glasses more and I feel like they are not working as well.  Other times, it seems like my eyes got better...so only then do I know it was withdrawal.  It's weird, cause I'm in my 40s, so my eyes are also natually started to get worse, and I would need to get stronger glasses anyways, but the way I see it, is it's just glasses, and if I need to wear them to see, so be it.  I am definitely not investing in contacts right now, with vision changing so drastically from week to week. 

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Hi all,

 

I’ve been wanting to switch to DLMT but can’t wrap my head around it and also notice that it doesn’t work for everyone. I’ve been using a gram scale and wonder about just continuing with that?

 

I’d love to know if people have success going all the way with dry cutting with minimal symptoms? I’m now down to .033 klonopin and having some good windows.

 

I’ll post this on a couple other groups as well.

 

Thanks!

 

 

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Hey ww- I am using a scale and doing pretty good. I cut.001 every 3rd or 4th day. You are much lower than I am. Way to go!

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Hey WW23,

 

I am thinking of doing a DLMT from 0.125 mg of Klonopin.  I did the math to be all done in 4 months.

 

The interesting thing about what I am doing is, I will be using a kitchen scale (not the gram scale, but a normal kitchen scale).

 

Here is how it works:

 

Each night, weigh out 120 grams of water (which is about 1/2 cup).  Dissolve my 0.125 mg of Klonopin (1/4 of my 0.5 mg tablet). 

 

Then each consecutive night, you remove 1 gram of water before drinking.  In 4 months (about 120 days), you are done.

 

Make sense?

 

Bob

 

 

 

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Hi all,

I havnt really started my taper yet. I spent a long time trying to understand the different methods, then quit nicotine so held, then decided on compounded dlmt.

 

I’m currently on a high daily dose 3.5mg, so not sure how long it would take to notice withdrawals from dlmt, but was finally ready to start the other day & my pharm compounded liquid felt like placebo. So now scared to start down road that may backfire on me. Really wanted this method to be my answer for how to taper.

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Hi,

Since my first dose of liquid clonazapam compounded by pharmacist felt like placebo, I’d really like to here from those who’ve taken pharm compounded liquid clonazapam & your experiences with it.

 

If it didn’t work for you. Lease tell how you knew it wasn’t working & how long it took you to figure that out? Did you have serious ramifications from the experience?

 

Was yours made with pure powder? Crushed tablets? What solution? Concentration? Etc

 

Mine is made with ora sweet & ora plus with crushed teva tablets(my generic)@ .5mg/ml concentration. My total daily dose is 3.5mg & I plan to liquid taper .5mg @ a time remaining on tablets for the rest of other daily dosesuntil next .5mg 6:30am dose is ready to be tapered, then liquid taper that down to .25mg hold, & liquid taper 12:30pm dose down to .25mg, then hopefully liquid taper each of those day doses down simultaneously, as I remain on tablets for bed dose, until that comes then liquid taper off that .5mg @ a time.

 

If you tried it & decided to go a different route & that worked better, please let me know of that, too, if you would please.

 

All experiences & imput welcome.

Much thanks

 

Does anyone have experience with pharm compounded liquid clonazapam?

What was your experience like?

 

Here’s link to my thread about it:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=202990.msg2632734#msg2632734

 

Here is link to another thread about it:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=202618.msg2628746#msg2628746

 

If I can’t figure out liquid, would some of you folks help me with gram scale.

Thank you best wishes

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Hey Scaredie,

 

Can you tell us how much (in mg per day or week) your liquid taper plan is?

 

Honestly, you are on a high dose, I see no reason to liquid taper.  With a high dose like you have, just cut pills.  To explain that, tell us how your 3.5 mg per day pill are taken.  What is the dose of each pill?

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Hey Scaredie,

 

Can you tell us how much (in mg per day or week) your liquid taper plan is?

 

Honestly, you are on a high dose, I see no reason to liquid taper.  With a high dose like you have, just cut pills.  To explain that, tell us how your 3.5 mg per day pill are taken.  What is the dose of each pill?

The liquid taper plan was at a 10% reduction every 14 days of 3.5mg using Jim Hawks dltp charts for

Liquid concentrated @.5mg/ml, one would fill in 1 for # of tabs & 1ml for volume of liquid. I figured I could @ least start @ that rate & take it from there. I was going to liquid taper off .5mg @ a time keeping other doses in tablet form. Going by his chart @ this rate I’d have that one.5mg dose down to .2463mg by day 10.

I take (approximate times-try to be as consistent as possible) .5mg 6:30am, .5mg 12:30pm, .5mg 6:30pm & 2mg @ bed time(9:45pm to kick in by 10:30pm)All taken with .5mg tablets.

 

The reason I wanted to liquid taper is so I could do daily liquid micro taper and have it be easier on my mind/body, help prevent withdrawal during taper & help prevent paws, it was suggested as the most precise, best method of tapering, & after trying to understand the gram scale etc, it seemed the simplest, least time consuming method as long as I had Jim Hawks charts & help from others on site.

 

I tried 3 days of reducing by .125mg per day using my .5mg tablets cut in half & adding 1 .125mg dissolvable wafer + 1/2 wafer=.0625mg for 2 of my doses, per day & started having withdrawal symptoms. That was about 3.5% cut from 3.5mg.

 

That was my original plan, to use dissolving tablets to get small cuts, before I joined here.

 

What I’d like to do, with my taper, however I do it, is first eliminate dose #3@6:60pm, then start reducing either 6:30am dose till it reaches .25mg then hold or reducing 12:30pm dose till reach .25mg then hold, until those two doses are in sinc with each other or simultaneously reduce each of them after 3rd dose is tapered off(could probably only do that with liquid), then start reducing bed time dose by 1 .5mg tablet reduction @ a time.

 

Much Thanks

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Hi Scaredie,

 

Something does seem odd with the liquid.

 

But again, I think you are on too high a dose to mess with the liquid.

 

If I were you, I would cut 1/4 of a pill at a time AND hold this level until you feel stable again (usually 2 weeks but can be longer as withdrawal builds up).

 

I would take the 1/4 cut in this order:

Dose1 Dose2 Dose3 Dose4

0.500 0.500 0.500 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.500 0.500 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.375 0.500 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.375 0.375 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.375 0.375 1.750 Hold until feel normal

0.250 0.375 0.375 1.750 Hold until feel normal

 

and so on until you get to less than 1 mg per day.  Then talk about micro tapering. 

 

Try this for a month.  I think you might be surprised by cutting first from the early day doses.

 

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Hi Scaredie,

 

Something does seem odd with the liquid.

 

But again, I think you are on too high a dose to mess with the liquid.

 

If I were you, I would cut 1/4 of a pill at a time AND hold this level until you feel stable again (usually 2 weeks but can be longer as withdrawal builds up).

 

I would take the 1/4 cut in this order:

Dose1 Dose2 Dose3 Dose4

0.500 0.500 0.500 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.500 0.500 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.375 0.500 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.375 0.375 2.000 Hold until feel normal

0.375 0.375 0.375 1.750 Hold until feel normal

0.250 0.375 0.375 1.750 Hold until feel normal

 

and so on until you get to less than 1 mg per day.  Then talk about micro tapering. 

 

Try this for a month.  I think you might be surprised by cutting first from the early day doses.

 

Bob,

 

I love your suggestion, but not sure about hold until feel normal! Do we ever feel normal? I would say hold until symptoms seem manageable!

 

Scardie, I have replied on other thread about my experience with liquid K. Maybe by posting here someone else will chime in.