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Wouldn't if affect the bed dose and sleeping? If I took both tablets at 4pm? And this is my maintenance dose longstanding now.

I'm not actively tapering again yet. I feel so sick. Depressed.

 

Is this tolerance? If so what do I do about it? Do I have to withdraw?

 

I'm so on edge now and not sleeping well, don't know what to do. would be great if it would help.

 

infoshare.

This really seems to be improving my sleep. 

 

I read (see article below) that Benzo withdrawal has to do with not enough GABA.  Also, it says the body cannot make GABA without Zinc and vitamin B6. 

 

Even though I take a multi-vitamin in the morning, I took supplemental Zinc and Vit B6 before bed and again at 3am.  I slept better than I have in months.  I have done this for 4 nights in a row with good results.

 

Here is the article  http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to-increase-gaba-and-balance-glutamate/

 

[[ka...]]

Hey Gard, I am holding through the holidays as well. May seem a bit silly as my dose is dust for some, but significant for me. So I will hold and let my brain do some healing in this time as well. 

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[[ga...]]

Wouldn't if affect the bed dose and sleeping? If I took both tablets at 4pm? And this is my maintenance dose longstanding now.

I'm not actively tapering again yet. I feel so sick. Depressed.

 

Is this tolerance? If so what do I do about it? Do I have to withdraw?

 

I'm so on edge now and not sleeping well, don't know what to do. would be great if it would help.

 

infoshare.

 

I'm not sure I have any great advice. Some people dose V only once/day, but not sure if making that switch would be helpful or destabilizing. If sleep is a big issue, maybe you could ask about this on the insomnia thread. Lack of sleep can make a taper really hard. Some people, such as myself, resort to taking other medications for sleep, as the lesser of two evils.

 

Gardi I take my dose around 7:30 pm and noticed that my heart palpitations start right before bed sometimes. Two nights ago I could not fall asleep. I don't always have this but lately, yes. I'm curious if it's because I'm getting lower in dose.

 

Peace

 

Sorry, Peace, I have no idea. You might want to look for the Klonopin support group.

Thanks Gardie!

Not sure where to find that thread. There are too many treads to navigate through. If you can tell me which one on main page that would be great. 

 

Here ya go. http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=163449.2220  If you want to find a support group, you scroll down on the main page and you'll see Support Groups. In fact, this thread is under support groups.

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Hey Gard, I am holding through the holidays as well. May seem a bit silly as my dose is dust for some, but significant for me. So I will hold and let my brain do some healing in this time as well. 

 

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Hi, Mary!

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Hi, Mary!

 

Hey gardie!  I love reading Bob7 's stuff, both of you are so knowledgeable on this thread and so kind

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My addiction ologist doctor at the U1 and me to stay on a maintenance dose at about 6 mg and I broke through that a couple years ago taper down dry cutting to one mg crashed and burned and ended up back at 4 mg and that's where I'm at now tried some liquid microtape ring but didn't work I'm in a h*** of a shape not sleeping not functioning terrified out of my mind I see other people having success and I'm thankful for them but I just seem to be in the darkest place always thinking about do I go to the hospital today now I'm trying Saint Johns wart I'm sure that interferes with benzo don't even tell me about it I'm so tired of suffering just so tired you don't know what to do but I'm praying and believing for miracles when doing all that I can to survive. Thanks for your prayers and thoughts and information.

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Hi Gard- I noticed you're at 5 mg!  Congrats!  I just hit 5mg also- yesterday!  It is a huge milestone to be at 1 capsule.  Here's a toast to our milestone moment.

 

I have to say the daily microtaper is what allowed me to get down this far. I am very sensitive to this drug and I don't think I could have done it any other way. I see a lot of talk in dosing. I dose once at 9pm. But I'm on Librium which is longer duration of action than V and much longer than K.

 

Peace everyone!

 

Hi, libr! Wow, you're right there with me!     

 

I've been thinking of switching to once/day, but not sure I want to rock the boat. I'm also holding through the holidays right now, so you are going to leave me in the dust.

Gardie

 

I'm tapering soooo slowly... you'll catch up w/ me again!

Yeah, i try not to change anything in my method at this point- I don't want to rock the boat either.

Stay well my friend....and we'll celebrate another milestone again soon! 

 

 

[[ga...]]

My addiction ologist doctor at the U1 and me to stay on a maintenance dose at about 6 mg and I broke through that a couple years ago taper down dry cutting to one mg crashed and burned and ended up back at 4 mg and that's where I'm at now tried some liquid microtape ring but didn't work I'm in a h*** of a shape not sleeping not functioning terrified out of my mind I see other people having success and I'm thankful for them but I just seem to be in the darkest place always thinking about do I go to the hospital today now I'm trying Saint Johns wart I'm sure that interferes with benzo don't even tell me about it I'm so tired of suffering just so tired you don't know what to do but I'm praying and believing for miracles when doing all that I can to survive. Thanks for your prayers and thoughts and information.

Info share

 

I was in a very, very dark place, too, before my long hold. If you are safe where you are and can take care of yourself, it is far better than a hospital. Here, the psych wards are locked and once you go through the locked door, they can put a hold on you and not let you out. Then they can do whatever they want with your meds, including taking away your benzo.

 

There is information about coping on the Withdrawal Support board. http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=145.0  I think it would help to post about your situation on that board and also read the thread on coping. It's pinned near the top.

 

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Yup Gardie been there done that don't wanna do it again because it doesn't accomplish anything but I can barely take care of myself at the moment praying and believing for a breakthrough and for peace.

 

I'm trying to get some clarity about having a split 2 mg valium dose 12 hrs apart. is that setting me up for an interdose problem withdrawal effect? would it inherently be better to just take one dose as some people have said? thanks info share

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Seems like a big gap till your second dose. Try dosing around 4pm and see how that works. I never taper evening doses. Only when I was taking xanax like 3 times a day...

I also work out during the day so my endorpins are pretty high, so I dont need to take anything till late afternoon, but we all different.

 

Hi Boricu,

 

I'm curious about why you don't taper evening dose? I've not seen anything in this thread regarding dose times. Can it make a difference with WD symptoms such as sleep?

I'm doing Bob's method too.

 

Peace

 

Hi, 4-5 pm is my prefer the all in one dose... i sleep between 12-2 am (personal choice) sleeping has not been a problem as of yet. I make sure i get about 7-8 hours of sleep. I might push the dose even further maybe 8pm. I do also vape from time to time if im feeling very irriated, but its not an everyday thing.

also i like to add, in the ashton taper schedule once u get to 8 mgs to dose all in the evening even tho i still split the dose.

i guess everyone has a different way to dose

[[Bo...]]

A big gap between doses yes but it would be an even bigger Gap with just doing one dose?

Infoshare

 

true, but you are also taking one big dose. maybe all in the evening. so u dont have to wake up at 2am uless u up at this time..

 

just suggestion

 

good luck

[[Bo...]]

Wouldn't if affect the bed dose and sleeping? If I took both tablets at 4pm? And this is my maintenance dose longstanding now.

I'm not actively tapering again yet. I feel so sick. Depressed.

 

Is this tolerance? If so what do I do about it? Do I have to withdraw?

 

I'm so on edge now and not sleeping well, don't know what to do. would be great if it would help.

 

infoshare.

This really seems to be improving my sleep. 

 

I read (see article below) that Benzo withdrawal has to do with not enough GABA.  Also, it says the body cannot make GABA without Zinc and vitamin B6. 

 

Even though I take a multi-vitamin in the morning, I took supplemental Zinc and Vit B6 before bed and again at 3am.  I slept better than I have in months.  I have done this for 4 nights in a row with good results.

 

Here is the article  http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to-increase-gaba-and-balance-glutamate/

 

Great article!!

 

This explains why I get heartburn from time to time and I have an increase appetite for carbs...

 

and this really hit home

 

Protein powders, amino acid formulas, and collagen are high in glutamate. Branch chained aminos (leucine, isoleucine, and valine) taken in high concentrations can be excitotoxic.

 

 

i mean really? i take this everyday since i bodybuild.

 

i thought  protein powder was safe even if it contain glutamine and looks like i need to lay of the Bcaas... no wonder why i feel foggy sometimes in the gym..

 

fml

[[ga...]]

There have been many questions here about things not related to micro-tapering. I try to keep up, but I'm not qualified to answer most of them. But there are many other resources on this forum that I wonder if everyone knows about. I need to take a break from this thread for awhile, so I leave you with some other places on Benzo Buddies to ask questions about some of the topics raised here.

 

Insomnia: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=83.0

 

Supplements: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=110.0

 

Health and nutrition: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=59.0

 

General Support during your taper: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=145.0

 

Other medications (not benzos): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=60.0

 

Support Groups (scroll through and you may find one specific to your concern): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=147.0

 

Gardie

[[Pe...]]

Thank you for all your help Gardie!

Take care of yourself! 

[[Pe...]]

Seems like a big gap till your second dose. Try dosing around 4pm and see how that works. I never taper evening doses. Only when I was taking xanax like 3 times a day...

I also work out during the day so my endorpins are pretty high, so I dont need to take anything till late afternoon, but we all different.

 

Hi Boricu,

 

I'm curious about why you don't taper evening dose? I've not seen anything in this thread regarding dose times. Can it make a difference with WD symptoms such as sleep?

I'm doing Bob's method too.

 

Peace

 

Hi, 4-5 pm is my prefer the all in one dose... i sleep between 12-2 am (personal choice) sleeping has not been a problem as of yet. I make sure i get about 7-8 hours of sleep. I might push the dose even further maybe 8pm. I do also vape from time to time if im feeling very irriated, but its not an everyday thing.

also i like to add, in the ashton taper schedule once u get to 8 mgs to dose all in the evening even tho i still split the dose.

i guess everyone has a different way to dose

Thank you Boricu!

I don't plan to change my time of dose. I'm going to keep where I'm at.

I also vape, cbd (hemp oil) which helps my crohn's disease. I do this every day and it does not seem to affect me. I watch how much I do. 

[[Pe...]]

There have been many questions here about things not related to micro-tapering. I try to keep up, but I'm not qualified to answer most of them. But there are many other resources on this forum that I wonder if everyone knows about. I need to take a break from this thread for awhile, so I leave you with some other places on Benzo Buddies to ask questions about some of the topics raised here.

 

Insomnia: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=83.0

 

Supplements: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=110.0

 

Health and nutrition: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=59.0

 

General Support during your taper: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=145.0

 

Other medications (not benzos): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=60.0

 

Support Groups (scroll through and you may find one specific to your concern): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=147.0

 

Gardie

 

I wanted to add another link while I was searching that was eye opening for me if you have not read it already. I know Bob will like it, it's right up your alley.  It gave me a bit more hope 

 

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=66397.0

[[in...]]

Thanks for the links Gardie. I hope i didnt wear you out here.

Peace.

Infoshare

[[ga...]]

I just need to cut down on my screen time. It causes anxiety when I'm in a rough patch. But screens are addictive. I am now sticking a post-it on my screen. "Less screen time!" We'll see if it works.

[[...]]

There have been many questions here about things not related to micro-tapering. I try to keep up, but I'm not qualified to answer most of them. But there are many other resources on this forum that I wonder if everyone knows about. I need to take a break from this thread for awhile, so I leave you with some other places on Benzo Buddies to ask questions about some of the topics raised here.

 

Insomnia: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=83.0

 

Supplements: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=110.0

 

Health and nutrition: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=59.0

 

General Support during your taper: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=145.0

 

Other medications (not benzos): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=60.0

 

Support Groups (scroll through and you may find one specific to your concern): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=147.0

 

Gardie

 

I wanted to add another link while I was searching that was eye opening for me if you have not read it already. I know Bob will like it, it's right up your alley.  It gave me a bit more hope 

 

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=66397.0

Thanks Peaceflower for that link!  I really enjoyed it.  It explains so many things and having understanding gives a sense of hope and peace.

[[Bo...]]

Seems like a big gap till your second dose. Try dosing around 4pm and see how that works. I never taper evening doses. Only when I was taking xanax like 3 times a day...

I also work out during the day so my endorpins are pretty high, so I dont need to take anything till late afternoon, but we all different.

 

Hi Boricu,

 

I'm curious about why you don't taper evening dose? I've not seen anything in this thread regarding dose times. Can it make a difference with WD symptoms such as sleep?

I'm doing Bob's method too.

 

Peace

 

Hi, 4-5 pm is my prefer the all in one dose... i sleep between 12-2 am (personal choice) sleeping has not been a problem as of yet. I make sure i get about 7-8 hours of sleep. I might push the dose even further maybe 8pm. I do also vape from time to time if im feeling very irriated, but its not an everyday thing.

also i like to add, in the ashton taper schedule once u get to 8 mgs to dose all in the evening even tho i still split the dose.

i guess everyone has a different way to dose

Thank you Boricu!

I don't plan to change my time of dose. I'm going to keep where I'm at.

I also vape, cbd (hemp oil) which helps my crohn's disease. I do this every day and it does not seem to affect me. I watch how much I do. 

 

Hi, I try the just cbd vape.. does not do nothing for me... I need my flower, so a 1:1 ratio cbd thc helps. I have some homegrown i did myself that work wonders.

 

good luck

[[Pe...]]

Today is my halfway point!! I'm down for to .25 mg of klonopin. For Thanksgiving I am grateful for all of you!!

[[ka...]]

Congratulations, each milestone is worthy of celebration and what a perfect time to give thanks for and with you! You are doing a fantastic job of conquering this benzo adventure. 

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Today is my halfway point!! I'm down for to .25 mg of klonopin. For Thansgiving I am grateful for all of you!!

Great Thanksgiving moment!  :) :) :)