Z-Drug Support Group (Lunesta, Imovane, Zimovane, Ambien, Sonata, Zopiclone)

[[Li...]]

Hi Z drug team,

Yesterday evening I went to a dinner at my fathers neighbors which was way to busy for me. I can not concentrate when I am in a group. I think that is why I am not feeling great today, I had a thin sleep. I went swimming today, that was really nice. I met some acquaintances there too. I hope that you all have a nice day.  Jerry

[[De...]]

Hi Jerry, yes some of my tougher waves have been brought on by larger group gatherings.  Do not fret, just politely decline them for the time being.  You must be good to yourself.  I have read that this fades over time as does the other Sx.  Hope you have a restful day.

[[Su...]]

Hi Kachina,

 

I wanted to try LDN for pain but no one around here Rxs it. I have a slew of pain issues and had tried acupuncture, prolotherapy, stem cell injections, TENs, every lotion and potion out there, not to mention narcotics in big doses. My LDN is compounding pharmacy and Rxd by an MD who is an LDN specialist. I was slowly increased to 4.5 mg which I understand is the dose most commonly used. This is a video by the Dr who Rx'd mine. I don't know if it will add anything to what you already know. I did a ton of research on it before and after I started it. Absolutely nothing else had helped me. I know nothing works for everyone but for me, a miracle.

 

 

[[Su...]]

Deanna, I have never heard of earthing but have bookmarked the site and will study later. I do go barefoot outside when at all possible. I'll follow to see if it helps you!

[[le...]]

Hey guys I just came upon this concept of earthing and I am truly FASCINATED by it.  I am a trained scientist and there are many scientific literature articles in peer reviewed journals with objective endpoints that show a real clinical benefit.  How can we not have heard about this before?  There is zero downside and all the possible upside for health:

 

https://earthinginstitute.net/

 

I just stood in my cold garage (concrete floor) for 10 minutes to try it.  Obviously too soon to tell if it will help, but I'm inclined to buy all this stuff to do it indoors given the weather.  My husband and daughter will think I've truly lost my mind - but what do I have to lose?

 

Anybody try it before?

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Think It's normally called grounding over here, sort of mindfulness type thing, where you're meant to connect with the earth that type of thing. I did try it indoors didn't really help me but worth a try if you can do mindfulness, meditation probably very helpful. I did try it in the garden as well in summer but not on a concrete floor. As you say anything worth a try

[[Sh...]]

Yes it’s called grounding here x I try to do it every day x definitely worth a try x

[[La...]]

Very interesting Deanna. I can't try it cuz of the germs. Let us know if it helps.

Hugs to Team Z.

How's everyone? Getting ready for thanksgiving? What's your favorite meal?

Glad to see you Shay!

Feel better Jerry. Relax today so you can regroup.

Leann my diet is clean eating. I think it helps very much. And after I'm healed I'm going to remain eating clean.

Success77 dr Ashton warned about LDN. But it's your choice. It may not bother you. Some can take it some can't.

Kachina I'm proud of your progress. Keep it going!

I walked my driveway today and cussed at my symptoms. It felt great!

[[Sh...]]

Lady u are making so much progress! It’s wonderful to see x

[[La...]]

I'm trying Shay! I figured I would try to push things a bit to see if I can handle it. That's the only way I'll find out. I'm being very very very careful. But, I've got to recondition myself so I can be upright more. Once I can tolerate that for a good 20-30 minutes then I can really make progress. Thx for the encouragement. 

[[Sh...]]

Amazing x u got this xxx

[[Sh...]]

https://www.benzoinfo.com/medications-and-supplements/

 

LDL is listed in cautions here. But then so are a lot of other things that people use in wd. Just adding link as an FYI x

[[Su...]]

I did see that about LDN being in the list of potentially problem meds. I agree- what works for one may cause issues for another. I saw one lady's list that had magnesium listed and I find that very helpful. The ones I have avoided were valerian, kava kava, things I have like "CalmSupport", GABA supplements. And yet I have them saved in the closet. Waiting for the zombie apocalypse?  I can take NSAIDs and excedrin and morphine was not a problem as far as wd so we have to test it out I guess. It's so frightening to me to read where someone maybe had one drink of alcohol after months of being off benzos and have wd return full force. I am definitely hyper sensitive to things I was not before. *sigh* I'm really too old to teach a lot of new tricks!  I look back longingly at my old system and how I could eat anything, drink anything, take anything. Abuse by Rx shot that all to pieces.

[[Sh...]]

I know success x I miss my old life too. I have drunk some alcohol and didn’t notice anything, that said, now that I’m in acute from zopiclone and the final stretch I’m now abstaining. On bad days I do have a shot of adrenal herbs and some of the ingredients are on that list. But it’s 5mls. It helps. Even when I don’t have it for over a week my sxs are exactly the same. Cbd is on that list but lots of buddies use it. We are all different and what helps some will harm others. I for one am so glad LDN is helping you and kachina. So wonderful. I am very scared of rx drugs if u see my signature u will see what I threw at this. Nothing helped and actually made everything worse for me. I know I am one of those people that nothing can really touch my worst sxs. I wish I wasn’t but I’ve accepted it now that there’s nothing out there that will help but time for me. Which I hate! I really wanted the ads to help, the cbd to help, and all the other things I’ve tried to help. Even now I think... what about l Theanine? GABA supplements? Taurine? Then I think about how much money I’ve spent searching for the silver bullet. And I stop searching and surrender to the fact I need to wait. I’m not good at accepting this at all x

[[Ka...]]

Hi Team Z

 

Thanks for all your comments and thoughts and shares.

 

I feel thankful for the topic of how awful it is for some to be around crowds. I've had this for so many years and never met others with it. And I'm an extravert. The covid topic is helpful in that way ... as resting at home is good, yet hard for me to do even as I don't feel well!

 

Remind me never to take a drink, it's never been my thing ... but I am not taking chances.

 

Thanks for the LDN video, Success, will check it out. It's a med I've been on all year and will stay with over any other. But one day at a time!

 

Have heard of earthing. Like to go barefoot in my yard, like the concept. Would love to sleep outdoors one day again ... somewhere in the wilderness under the stars.

 

LOVE TO ALL

[[De...]]

Hey Kachina - when you say that you've had  "crowd-aversion" for years, was all that time on the Ambien?  I am trying to think if many of the personality issues I've had post-menopause might have been due to the Ambien use.  While showering today I calculated that in my nearly 60 years on this earth I was on Ambien 12 years (20%) and if you dismiss the first 12 years of life as not registering in our awareness to any great extent, then I've been impacted by this poison drug nearly 25% of my adult life!  That is unbelievable and makes me wonder if I really even know my true self(?)

 

I was never a big drinker. Even in my younger days I'd get more sick from it than any pleasure.  I could never drink alcohol again and be fine.  But oh how I miss my coffee  :'(

 

Way to go LadyDen!! Very courageous of you.  I have pushed myself at times and while it may temporarily bump up my symptoms I think in the long run it pushes us forward.  Neuroplasticity in action! We must train the brain to feel safe in doing things we know ARE SAFE.  Our cognitive brain needs to teach our primitive amygdala who the boss really is around here!!!

 

BTW: I ordered my "earthing/grounding" pad to use while I sleep.  Can't wait to get my earthy electrons on lol 

 

Be well Team Z!!!!

[[De...]]

https://www.benzoinfo.com/medications-and-supplements/

 

LDL is listed in cautions here. But then so are a lot of other things that people use in wd. Just adding link as an FYI x

 

 

 

Wow I just read this list of medications to avoid and now I've scared myself that going forward I might be accidentally exposed to something which throws me right back into withdrawal.  I feel like we should have medi-alert bracelets to warn medical providers against all these things but they are even aware of the syndrome.  How can we live happily ever after?

[[Li...]]

Ha team Z,

I am not having a brilliant day, woke up earlier than normal because of noise outdoors in the building I live in.That started quite early, I had domestic help today, so my apartment is clean again. Listened to a podcast about an old violin. Had a meal at my fathers house, and now I am watching some tv and will continue with the podcast later on. I also cut my hair with a trimmer. Tomorrow I ll go swimming at 11:45....I hope you all have a nice start of the weekend!  Jerry

[[Su...]]

Oh Deanna, I am so sorry! It's a list that I guess has been scientifically determined but like so many have said, we all are individuals and what helps one might upset the apple cart for someone else. I had no issues with LDN, CBD oil and morphine. All are listed. I would definitely be extremely careful and educated about antibiotics- that is such a HUGE issue for people on or in wd from benzos. But other than that I think the list would be helpful as far as knowing that if a wave or different sxs happen after adding something new it could be the reason. When I first joined BB I felt the panic of everything from eating the wrong food to taking something that would be a set back. And then I had an infection that my mom had died from in Feb (possibly covid but too early to test) and I got on an AB that I then found out could be a real problem in benzo wd and I freaked out completely. It wasn't the really bad one but on a list somewhere as a no-no. I got the Dr to change it but had taken it for 2 days and was OK. Sooooo.... who knows? I am so sorry to cause you anxiety!

[[Sh...]]

No S77 I’m sorry dee to cause u anxiety! Like S77 says it’s a list of “be careful” things that some people have had issues with. Think about this, a person might go into a wave anyway.... but they’re looking for a a reason. Sometimes as we know there is no reason that we can identify for having a wave, but we’ll think.... oh I had gluten so it must be that. On another day they will eat gluten and have no wave. And as we said... just because these items are in the list doesn’t mean we will react. I have magnesium all the time. I’ve had a really bad wave this week, but I haven’t drank magnesium in over 2 weeks. So it obviously doesn’t effect me, but the next person will be thrown into a wave. I wasn’t trying to scare anyone just a heads up that someone sensitive may not be able to tolerate LDN. As I’ve said, I’ve drunk alcohol a few times. An absolute no no, had no issues at all. I only had 1 drink, never more, and I didn’t notice any difference at all in symptoms, but that doesn’t mean that you won’t. I’ve read cbd helps so many people and I’ve also see signatures where someone was basically healed, ate a cbd gummie and went straight back into acute. We’re all different, who knows really what will affect us and what won’t x sorry I scared u honey

[[Sh...]]

Ha team Z,

I am not having a brilliant day, woke up earlier than normal because of noise outdoors in the building I live in.That started quite early, I had domestic help today, so my apartment is clean again. Listened to a podcast about an old violin. Had a meal at my fathers house, and now I am watching some tv and will continue with the podcast later on. I also cut my hair with a trimmer. Tomorrow I ll go swimming at 11:45....I hope you all have a nice start of the weekend!  Jerry

 

Sorry u aren’t having a good day jerry, sounds like u managed to keep busy tho, so that’s great. Shame someone noisy disturbed ur sleep. I wear earplugs to bed coz me house is full of noisy people and noisy cats x

[[La...]]

High five Team Z!

Yes S77, Shay is correct. Dr Ashton gave a list as a warning. But she also said you can become sensitive while withdrawing to things that never bothered you before that's not on that list. For example maybe your soap or shampoo starts giving you waves. Or smells start bothering you. Shay truly didn't mean to scare anyone. She was just doing what a good buddie would do. Whatever you put in your body is your choice. Those things on the list are known culprits of bad reactions.

Yes I agree with Deanna maybe wearing a medic bracelet isn't a bad idea.

Jerry I hope you can get better sleep tonight. I'm certainly hoping Shay gets some too.

I've been watching the masked singer. I love it! Any of you seen it?

[[Sh...]]

Thanks lady I had a much better night last night Thanku! I’m not wasting my window I’m taking my kids to water park today 

 

We have the masked singer here too but they have b grade singers on no one every guesses! I don’t watch much normal tv.. as we know I am a Netflix addict!

 

Who is on ur masked singer?

[[La...]]

All kinds of celebrities, actors, comedians, athletes, etc. it's so fun trying to guess who they are but some of them I knew who they were right off the bat! Like Gladys Knight, Raven Simone, Wendy Williams. Their clues and voices are so distinct that it was obvious. 

My family are Netflix addict too.

I'm so glad you're having a window. I had a small one today. I used it to walk outside. 

[[Sh...]]

Sounds fun. I think my daughter would like that. Windows. I wish they would stay open just ... forever.

[[Su...]]

The comment that we become sensitive to things that never bothered us before- I can no longer wear any deodorant!  I made baking soda/coconut oil deodorant and it even irritated me. So it's corn starch baby powder. Sheesh! And I do that thing where I have a wave and I'm sure it's because I cheated with sugar. The next time, no problem. I agree... the waves come regardless. Why why why? Who knows? When I was in the middle of my taper I could have a little alcohol but once I was finished it seems to be a real issue. Go figure....