Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group

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Angela, those posts you saw posted by "someone else" was me on Medhelp website.

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Hi everyone! I'm sorry I haven't been around, but I'm crazy busy with grad school! I'll be defending my doctoral exam soon. I don't have much to say other than I'm doing very well. At over 4 months off of remeron and nearly 11 months off of diazepam I feel like my normal self again. No social phobia, no anxiety, no depression, no adrenaline rushes, no fatigue, no gloom, no self-doubt, no twitches, no head vibrations. I've been able to carry on with my life in every aspect other than drinking alcohol, hehehe (I had two beers at at birthday party and ended up with a 3-day-long hangover).

The only thing that it's not entirely normal yet is sleep, but I can't really complain, as I do get six hours (although waking up a few times due to the urge to urinate, which hasn't improved). And I wasn't able to lose any more weight (I still have 10 lbs of remeron weight to lose). And I usually feel very crappy right before my period.

I'm extremely grateful for my recovery and beaming with happiness, and I've been working hard to make up for the lost time. I look forward to writing a success story in a few months!

Angel, I read that you're 70% recovered, that's fantastic news!!!

Coralashley, I hope that the UK taper plan is  working for you.

Dave, hopefully your last milligrams  are easy on you!

Just wanted to say hi to everybody! I had a very rough time getting off of remeron (even though I was only on 3.75 mg), but I'm very pleased to report that I'm feeling well and healthy and life is looking good.

Blessings to all of you in your journeys.

 

Tiger Lily

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Just giving you guys an update. I saw my psychiatrist today. I need to be seeing a psychiatrist vs. a GP. GP's just throw you benzos.

 

My psychiatrist though told me I do in fact have anxiety. Really really bad anxiety. He said that the remeron I was taking 3.75mg was not even effecting serotonin levels in my brain. He said I was basically taking it as a benedryl. I told him about the cortisol rushes when falling asleep then the constant tremoring, then the pacing for 2 hours every night at 1am-3am calling nurses hotline...

 

He said that was ALL just anxiety and NOT withdrawal from such a low low dose. He said with my anxiety,  seretonin levels are low, and the adrenals in the kidneys try to compensate and produce cortisol. Thats what I was feeling, not Remeron withdrawal. I have anxiety. That's why I had to go on benzos years ago.

 

I just took my 1st dose of 50mg Seroquel XR. To be honest, I'm a little worried about taking it. I've googled a lot today and withdrawal sounds awful. But I need sleep so bad, and I need to get my anxiety under control VERY badly, and I do NOT want benzos.

 

What do you guys think? He said he wants me to be on it for at least 6 months. Is 50mg going to be hard to come off of? Thanks!

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help!!!

 

 

i need support for getting of the 1mg or so of remeron i'm still on.......... was up to 22.5 last year ........... been on remeron since march of 2012............. BEFORE i got on remeron, i did not have blood pressure issues, cholesterol issues and things of this nature but was having either severe seizure or akathisia or both??? no doubt my long term med history has messed me up beyond repair, but my blood pressure is dangerously low now and i already tried to get off the remeron, but could only get down to 1mg and have been taking one mg for about 6 months or so.

 

 

i researched low blood pressure, diuretics etc. and stuff trying to figure out why my blood pressure keeps getting LOWER and lower!!!!!!!!

 

 

i'm borderline crisis and may have to go to er for low blood pressure!!!!

 

 

for this reason, i need to try to taper the last 1mg of remeron and i have a digital scale and weigh the powder but i don't think it is accurate enough!

 

 

please share any help or support or helpful experience ESPECIALLY on how to deal with the dangerously low blood pressure while on remeron......... i personally think remeron is just as bad or worse than benzos now............... took benzos for 23 years and still do and am down from 30mg of valium to 15 but having auras now sometimes the panic is so bad i feel a seizure or some strange thing coming on and do not know how i am going to survive getting off the remeron, but i have no choice but to try........ i honestly think updosing the valium to get off the remeron (if need be) might be necessary due to the SEVERELY LOW blood pressure the past few weeks or maybe more???

 

 

i desperately need support....... my lowest blood pressure reading (never had low until remeron) was a few days ago at 91 over 59!!!!

 

 

today, it got up to 101 over 67  so i'm so scared and hope a remeron taper wont make the blood pressure drop more cause that could be even more dangerous!!!!

 

 

every bad thing i read about remeron on the internet had to do with LOW BLOOD PRESSURE so i am almost POSITIVE it is the remeron use causing the low blood pressure.........i don't know if valium does, too?  i doubt as bad as the remeron........ please give me some input here and share knowledge and/or experience... thank you!!!!            kian

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Guys! I'm at wits end on what to do. I tried Seroquel 50mg XR tonight. I barely got sleepy. I still keep having those adrenaline surges when trying to fall asleep. I started to fall asleep tonight with seroquel but it was AWFUL Freddy Krueger sleep! Like I'm afraid to go back to sleep. I was having major sleep paralysis. I kept feeling and knowing I was in bed but kept telling for my wife to wake me up. It was maddening. I'm telling my psychiatrist tomorrow I don't want to continue this drug! And for some reason guys... I really think that there is a good chance these adrenalin surges I'm having b4 falling asleep every night is from remeron withdrawal. And now I'm tolerant to it so it doesn't stop the adrenaline surges or make me tired anymore. I have been reinstated on remeron for 5 nights but my psychiatrist said to quit taking it tonight and just take the seroquel.

 

This sounds awful, but I'd almost rather stay off remeron and seroqul and go back on a benzo like klonopin  just for a few weeks to see of these adrenaline surges finally dissipate with time with time?

 

I dunno what to do... all I know is that I need sleep and my heart rate is too high.

 

Would busparine work?? Slow the heart down? Would it make me drowsy? Thanks!

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I'm NOT taking any more anti depressants at this point! I have to fight through this. These cortisol shocks during the night are non stop. The Seroquel did not even help last night. Matter of fact it gave me sleep paralasys, like hallucination type. SCARY CRAP! DONE WITH IT!

 

I can learn to sleep on my own again! I CAN I CAN I CAN.

 

I truly believe that I have just abused over the counter sleeping meds like benedryl, zyrtec, unisom. And then I'd rotate back to the Remeron. These ALL work on HISTAMINE. Even Remeron. And Remeron blocks adrenaline. So I truly believe these CONSTANT cortisol rushes I'm having in my sleep are from REMERON W/D.

 

My Psych. said it's not and it's me having low seretonin, and my adrenals are trying to compensate. I call bullshit. I've abused sleeping pills and Remeron over the past 2 years. THAT IS MY PROBLEM. I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO SLEEP AGAIN ON MY OWN.

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Alright, so I truly believe this is Remeron withdrawal I'm going through. The rapid heart rate, the adrenaline surges every night in bed... the TERRIBLE insomnia. The anxiety during the day too is not good. Appetite is shot. I didnt eat ANYTHING today until 8pm and all it was was a piece of pizza. Ugh! I know not healthy! But I bought a bunch of Boost Protein shakes tonight and drank one as well.

 

Its just so hard to differentiate between anxiety and withdrawal. I suffer from anxiety as it is. And I think the withdrawal is making it worse.

 

I weened off a low low dose of Remeron 3.75mg about 2 weeks ago. I went 6 days with zero Remeron. Sleep was non existent. But it wasnt just the sleep... it was what was happening DURING sleep. The constant adrenaline surges when drifting off to sleep. Like my body was saying "Nope. Not gonna let you fall asleep!" Then the shaking/trembling began with the HIGH anxiety. I would have to get out of bed and pace the basement floors. My heart rate was 120bpm.

 

Is 120bpm dangerously high? I'm sure it didnt stay like that all day, but it did stay in the high 90's to 114 pretty steady.

 

My Dr. told me to go back up to 15mg and stabilize. 15mg did NOTHING. I stayed on it for 5 or 6 nights. Nothing. Poop out I think, and so my body just isnt responding to it at all. So I just quit it cold turkey after 6 nights of reinstating. Tonight will be night 2 without any Remeron.

 

Then the sweats... the clammy sweats... ewww..

 

It just sucks b/c no over the counter pill really even works anymore. I'm seeing a sleep specialist on Monday. Hopefully they can be beneficial and see what's causing these cortisol rushes in my sleep.

 

I have not been able to function at work. It's been BAD. I can't even think correctly... when my wife is talking to me, It seems to go in one ear and out the other. It's awful what sleep deprivation does to you.

 

I told my boss today I'm scared I'm going to lose my job. She assured me I wasn't and if I needed to take some time off I could.

 

I'm SO desperate for sleep, I got a script in for Ambien 5mg. Please don't bash me for it. I'm ONLY going to take it VERY sparingly. Maybe 2 or 3 nights. But spread out. I know I will for sure not use it for 7 or 10 days straight. NO WAY.

 

But I'm at the unhealthy sleep deprivation state. Need 1 night of relief. I think it's a WAY better choice than the Seroquel. YUCK! That's the DEVILS DRUG!!! I tried it 1 time, NO MORE!!!

 

Wish me luck guys! Have you guys experienced the adrenal surges/shaking/sweating in bed? When should they start to subside? 2 weeks? 4 weeks? 6 weeks? I don't care about insomnia really... I'd rather lay in bed and not be tired vs. lay in bed and tremor/shake/sweat pace the floors with 120bpm heart rate. Ugh!

 

 

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Kian:  sorry you are feeling so bad. Sorry too can't help on your query. It's way beyond my experience

 

cnotr:  I'm worried by the way you are taking matters into your own hands. It's best to follow one route of professional advice you trust.  Whether you have anxiety or withdrawals it's only going to be by a disciplined approach you will succeed, not by chopping, changing, adding meds.  From my experience I have found it is this approach coupled with time, patience, perseverance and STRENGTH!  It's not easy. In fact it's tough and many times I've thought of throwing in the towel but am doing my best to push through the withdrawals. It's hard but doable.  Attitude also helps and the knowledge all this is only temporary and will end.

 

Also cnotr no one here is qualified to give you medical advice. We can only compare experiences and offer each other support.

 

Tiger-Lily: it was FANTASTIC to hear from you and am so glad you are feeling well. Your words have been such an encouragement and I keep rereading them.  I have been in a very nasty wave for the past week or so and felt I was going backwards so it is so great to read about the light at the end of tunnel which I know is there but sometimes you lose faith in.

 

Hope everyone else is doing well.

 

Angel

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Thanks so much Angela. I'm feeling a lot better today. I really am 100% convinced this is INDEED Remeron withdrawal symptoms. These are NOT normal anxiety symptoms. Tachycardia can be from anxiety, but mine has been off the charts, until today. These waves of bad energy that swarm over my body in waves throughout the night after I wake up from a VERY short period of sleep SUCK. That is NOT normal anxiety. That is WAVES of ADRENALINE SURGES from the withdrawal of Remeron.

 

Today I found that Sea Salt (high in magnesium?) and Gatorade almost immediately took away A LOT of my symptoms. A naturopath told me to get some sea salt and pour some under my tongue a couple times. She said the adrenals love it when under stress. I did this before lunch, had some fruit and cheese, however, appetite is gone in Remeron withdrawal. But after the sea salt and drinking some Gatorade, my heart rate dropped so much! I felt MORE CLEAR HEADED. I still had some minor bouts of those surges, but today was considered a GREAT DAY! AND EVENING! Even though I'm so tired.

 

Tonight I'm going to try an epsom salt bath. 1 cup is all im going to start with. I don't' know anything about magnesium, except the fact that it can make you feel relaxed and more calm, but also know that it can give you the Hershey squirts (sorry lol) if you have too much. lol. I'm going to drink lots of water before I take the bath too.

 

I truly consider myself 2 weeks off Remeron. Some would not agree b/c I reinstated for 5 nights after being off for 6 complete days. But I feel the remeron was no longer working for me, and against me. If you want to count those 5 nights on it, then technically I'm 2 days Remeron free.

 

I will NOT reinstate this drug EVER.

 

My Dr. actually and FINALLY agreed that he too thought I was going through Remeron withdrawal. He did however say that since I do have some anxiety to an extent, that I may react a little more to the w/d effects. At least he admitted he thought it was withdrawal.

 

I told him about the Sea Salt and Magnesium. He told me to be careful b/c they are chemicals. I told him, everything is/has chemicals, even our food. I told him I'd rather take the more close to natural stuff any day vs. another Pharm Pill.

 

I'm hoping these adrenal surges do not appear tonight in my sleep, Im SO ready for those to be done! I can take the laying in bed all night, watching tv, or playin angry birds, but the adrenal surges followed by the sweats... NO THANK YOU!!!

 

So far my symptoms tonight on a rating of 1-10 and 10 being the worst.

 

Anxiety - 3/10 (was a 10/10)

High Heart Rate - 3/10 (was a 10/10)

Appetite - 9/10 (still not much of one, but still eating and drinking protein shakes)

Adrenal Rushes in bed - 7/10 (had them last night, but did take my very 1st ambien ever. Will not abuse these. They are emergency only. After the ambien wore off at 5am/6am I got the rushes throughout the morning. But at least they no longer leave me shaking/tremoring and pacing the floors)

Pacing - 3/10 (was 10/10 couldnt sit still for very long. Tonight I was able to sit for a long time with my family and watch a movie.)

Achy Back - 1/10

Strange Nasal Pressure - 5/10 (doesnt hurt or bother me. But I have gotten this feeling in the past when w/ding from remeron. Just verifies to me this is indeed w/d.)

 

That pretty much sums it up. This weekend, I'm going to try and just let my body rest, and find peace in all the symptoms I have. I will try and not fight them, but listen to them, let them know I acknowledge them, but will try to not find them scary or life threatening.

 

I'd have to say, you guys are probably right about the "kindling" effect I have put my body through with Remeron the past year and a half. Going on for a month, coming off for 2-3 months, going back on for a month, coming back off for a couple months. I just took low doses as a sleep aid/appetite simulator. Thinking it would not do much harm to use it like this. I have heard of people using it PRN for sleep. I should never have experimented like this with this potent drug.

 

Very addictive b/c of its such sedating properties. That's why it's SO hard to get sleep after coming off. The only other reason I did like Remeron, is b/c when I took it I was SO much more creative. Sounds stupid, but my occupation is a filmmaker for a travel company. I also have my side business and also have a YouTube Partnership making sketch comedy. I will NO longer touch this med after this HELL/TORTURE it has put me through.

 

Praying each week get's easier. I know it will, and not everyone's story is the same. I will make it through this.

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Hi. Yes. I'm pretty sure it's withdrawals too from your erratic use of Rem.

 

Good for you that you have a plan. Take the rough with the smooth and stay STRONG!!!

 

Luv

Angel

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cnotr, exercise is great for adrenaline surges AND anxiety. Exercising half an hour a day (walking, dancing, swimming, etc) has been a fundamental part of my recovery from both benzos and remeron.

 

Angel, stay strong! You've come a long way and I'm very proud of you.

 

Hugs,

 

Tiger Lily

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Thanks guys! I feel like I've done a 180 yesterday and today. Sleep was non existent last night. Maybe 2 hours. But I laid in bed all night til 11am today and at least rested. I feel SO much better. Also did an Epsom salt bath. My heart rate was up a bit last night in bed. But not insane like last week. O

The surges are lifting finally too! One sympt that's bothersom is my mind does not seem to shut off in bed. I close my eyes and all I do is here my own subconscious mind (my own voice) saying things like "relax, go to sleep. All is good." But then its just nonsense mind chatter and imagery that just doesn't shut off. Its like I just can't shut off the brain and sleep.

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Cntr I just wanted to let you know that I have pretty much had te exact same experience going on since I tried to reduce my dose from 15mg to7.5 in July. I have the same bizarre experience while trying to sleep. I am completely relaxed but my Brain has a very difficult time shutting down to sleep. I do dream and have a ligt sleep sometimes but it's like I don't get any deep sleep. It's like a half sleep state. Some nights I randomly get a decent restful night. This has been going on for a few months now. It's pretty odd and very frustrating. I know it is caused by trying to reduce my dose way too fast and even when I increased it didn't help much. I'm having a sleep study at the end of the month to see what the heck is going on.

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Hi Tiger-Lily

 

Thanks for the encouragement and I hope you continue to do well.

 

I think I am emerging from a really horrible wave.  Can I ask you or anyone else who can relate, a question?  Without listing  my remaining symptoms, did you feel 'under the weather' or crappy (and fatigued) much of the time around 3 months off?  I am hoping these are withdrawal symptoms but am a little worried they may be side effects of Effexor although my doctor doesn't seem to think so as I never had a problem on it in the past.

 

If I know it is normal not to feel hunky-dory even at 3 months off I would feel more relieved!

 

Thanks

 

Angel

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Hang in there Wesly16! Yesterday was a fairly good day for me! My appetite is coming back! But I still have issues with chest pain a little bit, not feeling like I'm breathing right sometimes. Like forgetting how to properly breath.

 

Last night I watched a few movies with the wife and kids. Was great! I'm no longer feeling that I have to pace around. My heart rate has dropped dramatically the past 3 days. Was at 114-120 last week the past few days 82bpm. That's pretty average for me.

 

So last night I did an Epsom salt bath. Relaxed. Got into bed with the wife. She gave me an awesome back and neck rub.

 

I got VERY relaxed. Listened to some meditation/ relaxation app on my phone and soon fell asleep. But felt like I only slept an hour or 2. I woke up at 3 or 4am with that awful adrenaline/ bad energy just all in my body and i was clammy all over. Nasty feeling.

 

I then took 2 unison. They did not help. I'm sure I slept on and off throughout the night without knowing it. I keep saying I only sleep 2 hours a night, but the wife says I'm def. Sleeping more than that. I also feel like I have shallow breathing in bed. Just hate those waves of adrenaline/bad energy or whatever in my sleep. Sucks.

 

Have I cause permanent brain damage? Or will this soon leave with time???

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Hi. No of course you've not done any permanent damage. It will all heal in time. You may have some bad days as well as better days but eventually you will fine if you stick to it.

 

I should follow my own advice really shouldn't I?!  But seriously we ŵill all heal ... It just takes so damn long!

 

You and I seem to be running this thread!  How are my other buddies doing??

 

Angel

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Haha yes. We do seem to be running this puppy. Lol. I'm sure on wont be posting as much as soon as in start feeling better. I tend to ruminate and get SO stuck in "withdrawal" and fearing sleep. Since that is now currently when most of my symptoms seem to be happening now.

 

I've thought about cancelling my sleep study tomorrow. But might not hurt. Could be kind of cool too see what kind of crazy white is happening in remeron withdrawal during the night. While I think in sleeping 2 hours each night. It may show I'm sleeping 6. Ya never know.

 

Ttyl! You are awesome Angel! Hope you are doing better! How long have you been on remeron/off remron?

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I find I'm sleeping better now with Melatonin. Last night I couldn't fall asleep but I think that was because I had 2 cokes and a coffee at dinner so I took an antihistamine and it worked straight away.

 

I was prescribed 15mg Remeron in January this year. After 6 weeks it gave me anxiety. My doctor raised it to 30mg as he said it would help. It didn't. It made me manic. So I just cold- turkeyed it!  Had no idea antidepressants were so dangerous.  Lasted 6 horrific days then reinstated to 7.5mg. Tried with an antidepressant website over 2 months to reduce - I wasted my time as I had horrible symptoms and got suicidal. Eventually found an amazing new doctor very familiar in this area. He put me back to 15mg but added Effexor to crosstaper which was nasty - the crosstaper was nasty I mean - then got off the Mirtazapine in 2 weeks and I am 3 months off and doing better. Then I have to get off the Effexor - another nightmare but it was the only way I could get off the Rem.  But I trust my doctor. So there you have it!

 

Thanks for the compliment!

 

It's midnight here in Spain so am off to sleep. I hope you have a good night!

 

Angel xx

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cnotr - I am not experienced with remeron - am considering it after NO LUCK with SSRI's/SNRI's. I am tapering off Neurontin and the insomnia/anxiety has paralyzed my life. Tried generic Lexapro and it made things 10 times worse...first time I ever experience depersonalization. Anyway, I have been taking Magnesium...it only causes the runs depending on the supplement type you take (oxide is the WORST, Glycinate is the best, along with citrate, gluconate and asparate) Epsom salt baths work great, its effects don't last aslong because the magnesium is not digested. It works fast - also taking some and swishing it around your mouth a few times helps great and fast acting. Magnesium helps my anxiety ALOT and helps me sleep. Also, Omega 3-fish oil is supposed to be fantastic for allowing the brain to recover/heal.

 

Also, taking all these medications can do a number on our bodies by altering its effectiveness to utilize/absorb vital nutrients and vitamins. You should get a blood serum test to find out where these levels are. Vitamin C also works wonders for sleep, B6-B12...Folic acid....you should look into these things for they can increase your recovery rate.

 

I have insurance but no cash....otherwise I would buy these supplements. Seeing the doc next week and wondering if I should mention remeron 

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HoplessInNY. I've used lexapro when going through ativan withdrawal once. That was before I was benzo wise though. It INCREASED my anxiety 100x. Hated that crap. If you decided to take Mirtazapine/Remeron, be careful. It can be your best friend for a bit, but I wouldnt recommend staying on it very long. The first time I came off of it, it wasnt so bad, neither was the 2nd or 3rd time. But the 4th bit me in the ass. I thought it was nothing at low low doses. But that is not the case.

 

I have been taking vitamin C every day along with fish oil. But don't want to rush the B vitamins yet. They increase energy. Don't need anymore energy at this point. lol. As my adrenals have been working over time. lol. During the day the past couple of days, I have been AWESOME. Done a complete 180. Night time still sucks. Can't get sleepy. And if I do sleep, I'm awoken an hour or 2 later with BAD BAD energy surging through me, and wake up clammy/sweaty. Then I struggle to sleep the rest of the night. But feel fine during the day.

 

I will try drinking magnesium soon once I can get to the health food store.

 

ANGELA. I feel like I have ruined the part of my brain that get's sleepy using anthistamines. Benedryl no longer makes me sleepy. I think since I was using Remeron as basically a HUGE antihistamine, and it no longer worked, my brain just needs to detox that part of the brain, so I can start taking Benedryl again on a sleepless night.

 

The only med that kind of works is Ambien. But I've only taken that 1 time. I know it's a Z drug and don't want to use it, but only in an emergency situation.

 

I still feel bad i used xanax 3 times in the past couple of weeks. I've been BENZO FREE for over 2 years now. =( But I will not count that against me. =)

 

Like I said, I'm currently not taking anything to sleep at night the past few nights. Even though I swear I'm only getting 2-3 hours of sleep per night, my wife thinks I'm sleeping more than that. It just doesnt feel like it. Like it's choppy.

 

Good luck everyone. We will survive this crap. I feel about 87% already.

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Update! Yesterday was another great day! Appetite was STRONGER than ever. Yippee! However, I tend to have mild cramping in my tummy sometimes, which leads to having to go #2 in the morning, which isnt a common thing for me. But it's no biggie.

 

I actually SLEPT SO MUCH BETTER last night! I did take 1 Zyrtec b/c I kept sneezing. I'm sure the sneezing is from the Remeron suppressing my histamine receptors, or however that works.

 

I fell asleep last night again naturally, even though I tossed and turned a bit throughout the night, I slept SO MUCH BETTER.

 

And DID NOT have the adrenaline surges last night at ALL!!! And NO SWEATS!!! AMEN!!!

 

I'm SOOOO glad I listened to you guys, and did my research online before I believed my psych who told me I probably needed to take something for the rest of my life. What REALLY bugged me about this man, is that I've only seen him 3 times in the past 2 years. 2 times was 2 years ago to help me get off ativan. And I only saw him 1 time last week. SHAME ON HIM, for saying I would need meds the rest of my life. 1 time seeing this man about remeron withdrawal, and he pre-determines my future. Says I will always be this bad. Screw him. I'm glad I didnt take the cocktail of meds he was going to try and give me.

 

I stuck it out, and NEW it was my body readjusting.

 

I will never touch a psych medicine again after this experience guys! THANK YOU FOR BEING THING! I'm not 100% yet. But I feel about 89%!! Yippee!

 

Hope you guys are doing well!!

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Great news!  Don't get too complacent though. Sometimes w/ds tend to come out 7 or 8 days off Remeron so don't be worried if they do.  We all react differently and maybe this is it for you. I hope so.

 

Luv

Angel

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Ive been off Remeron for 17 days. I did reinstate for about 5 days, but it had NO EFFECT. Poop out. SO I am not counting those days. If you want to count those 5 days of reinstating, then I'm technically 6 days free. But I'm past the worst. I know I am. I'm not counting those 5 days of reinstating.

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I slept SOOOO good last night. Did not want to get out of bed this morning. I took a zyrtec b/c my allergies were killing me. And it may have helped a bit. But what a relief! The only symptom I am having now, is stomach cramping a little bit. Especially after I eat. Like a digestive issue. Not super loose stools, but crampy, not the greatest stools. Sorry to be so detailed. That normal with withdrawal? Thanks.

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hey crew!  hope everyone is faring well.

 

i've been all over the place for a bit, haven't been on the board for awhile. cnotr, sounds like you came to some epiphanies and a better spot. oh yes, the digestive stuff is totally a part of the remeron withdrawal. without a doubt. you do know that some refer to remeron as the "old lady drug," right? because they give it to older folks who are having trouble with appetite and sleep. so in its presence, it totally stimulates appetite and comforts the tummy while promoting sleep. in it's absence, it does the opposite. sooo, all that to say happy tummy/better sleep before withdrawal, unhappy tummy/sleep deprivation during withdrawal. but feel confident that post-withdrawal, it'll all even out.

 

i am hanging in there friends. been in the gym again, with the weights. still limiting cardio because it can rev me, but every other day i lift fairly heavy for about 15 minutes and run a mile in about 9 minutes. it feels good. helps keep the body fit and it seems to have a pretty good mellowing impact. down to 5mg. my naturopath is pleased. i am the first remeron withdrawal he has dealt with.

 

all right - great to catch up and see how you all are. i am giving you my best of the best. i will be back asap. until such time - be strong! we are doing this!

 

-dave