Addict od benzos,ssri,my way and my questions

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There are many ways to make your doses smaller, most find what’s the most comfortable for them.  I wanted to point out that some members are just fine with close enough, but others feel better by being more exact, so, depending on your personality or how your reductions affect you, you can choose any way of reducing that suits your situation.

Here are some methods for making your reductions smaller.

https://benzobuddies.org/benzodiazepine-withdrawal-methods/titration/

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On 27/08/2023 at 19:31, [[P...] said:

There are many ways to make your doses smaller, most find what’s the most comfortable for them.  I wanted to point out that some members are just fine with close enough, but others feel better by being more exact, so, depending on your personality or how your reductions affect you, you can choose any way of reducing that suits your situation.

Here are some methods for making your reductions smaller.

https://benzobuddies.org/benzodiazepine-withdrawal-methods/titration/

Ok,I'm stable now and planing microtaper off klonopin,taking 0.5 on two doses,shave and Weight metod,I think to go 0.001 mg every two days,It Will need some time but I have it,do you think iz is to slow or you have some ideas to share,tnx

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I’m planning on cutting 0.125 or 1/4 of a 0.5mg tablet now that I’m down to 1 MG of klonopin. Just take it slow…

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9 hours ago, [[R...] said:

I’m planning on cutting 0.125 or 1/4 of a 0.5mg tablet now that I’m down to 1 MG of klonopin. Just take it slow…

I did Like you last time and it didn't work,to bih cut for me,now I'm going micro,0,001mg per day or two,Will see

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I’m reassessing my cut & hold and as the taper decreases, taper needs to be less and slower. I previously said I was going to make the cuts 1/4 off a 0.5mg tablet. I’m now going to do 1/2 of 1/4 or 0.0625mg. I’m doing this re: feeling uncomfortable. Take my time and slow this down..

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1 hour ago, [[P...] said:

Have you started yet?  I don’t know what taper rate is right for you but I’m sure once you get started, your body will let you know.  Just remember to record your reductions and to rate your symptoms according to their severity so you can use this in your decisions for your next reduction, let your body guide you.

Starting on sunday,I'm just courious is there to slow tapering,maybe silly question but I have time and wont to minimize withdrawall simptomps,becouse I feel good,maybe I Will go 0.001 mg every 3 days,dont know,just dont wont to hurry enithing,but is it posiblle to go to slow,,I feel ok now,not Great but stable and have time,that is Importane for my jurney

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I believe its possible to go too slow, especially if tolerance sets in while you’re attempting to taper but it would be difficult to tell the difference between tolerance and withdrawal symptoms.  Conventional wisdom says taper slowly to minimize symptoms but recovery can’t happen until you’re off the medication so while going slow is helpful, the goal is recovery. 

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6 hours ago, [[P...] said:

I believe its possible to go too slow, especially if tolerance sets in while you’re attempting to taper but it would be difficult to tell the difference between tolerance and withdrawal symptoms.  Conventional wisdom says taper slowly to minimize symptoms but recovery can’t happen until you’re off the medication so while going slow is helpful, the goal is recovery. 

I'm just probable just scared,cut and hold didn't work for me,it needed couple months to stabilize so i just wont to keep my job and day rutine normal as posiblle,I Will tray 0.001 daily so help me good,then we Will see,I'm also on diazepam 2.5mg daily so if something go wrong I Will help my self with diazepam,tnx 

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I think if you pay attention to your symptoms you’ll be able to head off any problems, but I know its scary because you’ve had a bad experience.  

When you say you’ll use diazepam to help, you’re not saying you’ll increase it, right? 

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7 hours ago, [[P...] said:

I think if you pay attention to your symptoms you’ll be able to head off any problems, but I know its scary because you’ve had a bad experience.  

When you say you’ll use diazepam to help, you’re not saying you’ll increase it, right? 

I hope I Will not increase diazepam,I Will do my best to dont do that,but I must stay funcional,work and do all regular stuff so enithing is possible,but that is the last option

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I have little situation,start micro tapering on sunday,but my tablets Are Not the same,they are from 0.152-0.155,I'm cutting 0.001 more every day,Is that a problem,maybe it Will be near the end?

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I’ve read members mention the different weights of the pills and it doesn’t seem to be a problem but I’ll ask someone to stop by who has experience with this.

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Hi Lav,

You tablets will never be the same exact weight for three reasons:

(1) The can come out of manufacturing a little bit different

(2) As they shake around in the bottle, little invisible bits can break off 

(3) The scales we used are not repeatable down to 0.001 grams

But please do not be concern.  Benzos stay in the blood long enough so that a small difference of 0.003 grams is not enough to worry about.

Have you consider "getting stable" and then "do a water taper"?

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1 minute ago, [[P...] said:

Benzodiazepine tablets don’t dissolve well, when mixed with a liquid for our home brew purposes, they create a suspension.  This can still work, we just have to make sure we agitate the mixture before drawing out our dose and be sure to add extra water and drink that to the container to capture the particles stuck to the sides.  

I Will have that in mind but I'm motivated for microtaper so if you have some pros and cons about that just shoot🤔

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How about alcohol? Don’t you think that quitting it completely would solve many problems? Then it would maybe be easier with the BZD? Idk, it was just a gut feeling...

But you keep talking about those two BZD and only mentioned alcohol use disorder as though it wasn’t a big deal. Well, it is actually more serious than the BZD. I’m just hypothesizing, but I spent more than a decade of my life in an alcohol support group. Although I’m not an alcoholic.

My first pdoc sent me there so that I had people with whom I could tackle my BZD dependence. It was ran by addiction specialists. There I met my Husband, a recovering alcoholic, who devoted his life and work to AA. So we went to numerous AA & NA meetings, read the literature, etc.

His Father also had an alcohol use disorder and he was better off on the BZD than drinking. He didn’t want to hear of AA, he was too proud. Then he suddenly wished to change his life drastically when his grandaughter was born. Went to two-month’s inpatient BZD detox. They gave him lots and lots of psych meds. Except the BZD.

Guess what. When times got really tough, he went back to drinking. Not to the BZD. And it killed him in a very short time. He was stiil a young man.

The reason I’m telling you all this is the following: could you take an honest look at your relationship with alcohol? You’re on so many strong psych meds, that there is no place for alcohol here. Together with these meds, the cocktail may simply kill you one day.

I had too many friends killed by alcohol to just ignore what you wrote. I remember them all. I may be wrong. Just please treat it as a hunch and don’t get mad at me if I’m wrong. I have your best interests at heart. Your life actually.

Edited September 14, 2023 by [Es...]

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7 hours ago, [[E...] said:

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How about alcohol? Don’t you think that quitting it completely would solve many problems? Then it would maybe be easier with the BZD? Idk, it was just a gut feeling...

But you keep talking about those two BZD and only mentioned alcohol use disorder as though it wasn’t a big deal. Well, it is actually more serious than the BZD. I’m just hypothesizing, but I spent more than a decade of my life in an alcohol support group. Although I’m not an alcoholic.

My first pdoc sent me there so that I had people with whom I could tackle my BZD dependence. It was ran by addiction specialists. There I met my Husband, a recovering alcoholic, who devoted his life and work to AA. So we went to numerous AA & NA meetings, read the literature, etc.

His Father also had an alcohol use disorder and he was better off on the BZD than drinking. He didn’t want to hear of AA, he was too proud. Then he suddenly wished to change his life drastically when his grandaughter was born. Went to two-month’s inpatient BZD detox. They gave him lots and lots of psych meds. Except the BZD.

Guess what. When times got really tough, he went back to drinking. Not to the BZD. And it killed him in a very short time. He was stiil a young man.

The reason I’m telling you all this is the following: could you take an honest look at your relationship with alcohol? You’re on so many strong psych meds, that there is no place for alcohol here. Together with these meds, the cocktail may simply kill you one day.

I had too many friends killed by alcohol to just ignore what you wrote. I remember them all. I may be wrong. Just please treat it as a hunch and don’t get mad at me if I’m wrong. I have your best interests at heart. Your life actually.

Tnx for your concerns,I was drinking heavy for 20 years,plus BZD,in 14 months I have one relaps so I understand your concerns,I am traying to get off everything slovely becouse without BZD alchocol cravings starts heavy,so I now I am in the beatle,yes friend I now

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5 hours ago, [[P...] said:

Yes, pill shaving is a good method, I’ve watched quite a few members do this.  Some will use jewelers scales to weigh their dose, others feel comfortable eyeballing it. In my observation, tapering reflects someone’s personality, some members need to deal with exacts or as close as they can get, others are okay with good enough.  Both work just fine, so find something that feels right to you. 

I started on mondey 0.001 mg daily cut,so far so good,we Will see🤔

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I am down 5 % on 8 days microtapering,anxiety and iritabillity is starting to notice yesterday and today,maybe to. stay on this dose till simptoma calm🤔

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