WORLD'S FIRST REVERSE BENZO DRUG - C/T feels like a Benzo

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(I still shake my head at how inconceivably long it takes though).

Hi I hope,

there are probably genetic reasons for that.  Getting gabaA to find it's way home gene wise can be a long wait.

 

Trying to live a normal life is probably the best way to get these old gene's back on track 

 

 

I had 3 cups of coffee today    mmmmmm that caffeine goodness 

 

Keep healing girl  :smitten:

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Modafinil-

So, I went to see a neurologist and in the waiting room was a neurology magazine with an article about chemo brain. For several decades people have been complaining of cognitive deficits caused by chemo and their complaints were largely ignored. Until someone did some research and saw that there were differences in the brains of a significant amount of people who'd been on chemo. One of the ways they're treating 'chemo brain' is with modafinil.

 

So, there were a significant amount of people who complained of cognitive (and other) issues after benzos. And for decades they were ignored, but then

 

The ending to our story is yet unwritten, for now.

 

Peace2

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Modafinil-

So, I went to see a neurologist and in the waiting room was a neurology magazine with an article about chemo brain. For several decades people have been complaining of cognitive deficits caused by chemo and their complaints were largely ignored. Until someone did some research and saw that there were differences in the brains of a significant amount of people who'd been on chemo. One of the ways they're treating 'chemo brain' is with modafinil.

 

So, there were a significant amount of people who complained of cognitive (and other) issues after benzos. And for decades they were ignored, but then

 

The ending to our story is yet unwritten, for now.

 

Peace2

 

Interesting peace2.  Also people on chemo get horrid tinnitus just like we do too.  I still think it's an interesting drug since it's opposite of a benzo.  People happily giving themselves benzo withdrawal and then getting addicted to benzo withdrawal screams of ANSWERS to our suffering and questions here at BB. 

 

Addicted to benzo withdrawal! That's just nuts but true, think about it!  This is a KEY STONE find! I just know it in my heart.  HELLO it's an ANTI benzo! 

 

This needs to be explored big time.  I hope this topic never dies as I think it's SO very important just to gain knowledge,  Hooked on benzo withdrawal, it's just mind bending folks, think about it for a second here!  If we can find how both benzo's and modafinil effect the brain I think it will answer some very fundamental questions as to how our suffering can be eased.

 

Just the fact that withdrawing from this drug feels like you took a benzo and it lasts for months and even years is SO whacked ! This is somehow very important, do not know how yet but it just is! 

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All new drugs promise fewer side effects and less danger than their predecessors, and every time we find out they're really no different from what came before.

 

I've said this before, but "science" got us into this mess, and it will not get us out.

 

I rather believe what DROFMINDLLC on Youtube- Dr. Mark Winer says regarding Nuvagil. Sure it sounds good but didn't Klonopin at one time too before it took me into the underworld of Psychosis and seizures 10 years later with pure hell to enure doing that all that time without having a clue that my prescribed medicine was making so deathly sick to the point of multiple suicide attempts to escape the misery.

 

This stuff has been around since before xanax and klonopin

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During the first months of WD I had the paradoxical and debilitating sx of extreme daytime sleepiness, BUT with unability to effectively sleep, because of tachicardia, anxiety, etc That is a VERY NASTY symptom, believe me. If modafinil abstinence feels like that it´s certainly no better than benzo WD itself.

 

Well, the only help in those days was... guess what? Modafinil!!! Yes, Modafinil helped with a benzo wd sx, paradoxical as that may sound. One pill put me anxious and irritable, but half a pill helped, and I never noticed any side effect. However, I was taking other things for sleep, so I don´t know if without them I would have had insomnia. When sleepiness subsided, I just cut modafinil. That was more or less around the time this thread was developing.

 

The theory of stretching things in the opposite way (more or less like the first principle of homeopathy states), and then let a "healing rebound" happen, is not far-fetched or impossible in itself. BUT, a lot of care must be taken. First, GABA-GLU does not explain by itself all WD sx. All other neurotransmitters are involved, especially serotonin and acetylcholine, in ways still very misterious. But many wd sx resemble potent anticholinergic drugs acting, just to give an example. Secondly, let´s remember that excess GLU can be toxic, so increasing it is not a good idea, at least not without taking ANOTHER neuroprotective drug like nimodipine, acamprosate, pregabalin (?). That would make two drugs more, both of which can cause dependence.

 

Another thing is that modafinil does more or less the same as other substances. It´s not really a big finding to have a "reverse benzo". Humankind has had one since some centuries ago, just to give one example, and it´s called COFFEE. Yes, coffee is a REVERSE BENZO (though I don´t know if torqueing receptors or simply reducing GABA, that would be a good thing to check), and if the modafinil theory is correct, any coffee addict cold turkeying it suddenly should recover from benzo wd. Yes, modafinil would be more potent perhaps and with less physical side effects (digestive, etc.) than lots of coffee, but still nothing so revolutionary. The trial of taking increasing amounts of coffee, developing tolerance, and then suddenly withdrawing would be interesting. Coffee withdrawal causes effects similar as taking a benzo for the first time. And the "glutamate addiction" is nothing new. It´s a NECESSARY neurotransmitter, and for some reason people is even more addicted to stimulants than to tranquilisers. Excessive sleepiness is impairing. You, dear Birdman, see it as a bliss, which is understandable in our condition, and I would love to have that for 3 days, but not for two years. That would be almost as bad as benzo wd, believe me, and people with that DO suffer. I¨m sure they drink more coffee, take energizing drinks, ritalin, whatever, but with fear of causing more GLU downregulation!!! 

 

The theory behind gingko (or bacopa) healing is the same, but in any case, safer, because gingko upregulates GABARS at the same time that it LOWERS GLU. At least in paper, it looks better than coffee or modafinil. However, it´s not a risky trial this last one. Starting with low doses and tapering up slowly as some tolerance develops is not really risky, and if sxs become unbearable, they can be reversed simply discontinuing the drug abruptly, and getting a benefit, albeit small, from that. 

 

By the way, the thoery if a stmulant in the morning for sleeping well is acurate, and gingko has the exact half life to produce that, if taken in the morning. 100% proven in myself!!! I sleep like a baby when I take gingko in the morning. 

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I am just logging my results here since the search engines tune this topic in rather well.

 

OK, I have been taking modifinil now for five days.  I like it but then again I said the same thing about benzo's at first so I will be taking breaks every few weeks looking for signs of trouble.

I am 99% healed with only a VERY nagging case of tinnitus remaining that cycles now from very good days to bad days.

 

I was off benzos for 7 months then in spring I had an accident and horrible internal bleeding so did not know they were injecting me with Ativan for about two weeks.  Bastard doctors saved my life and got me hooked again, not really but it actually freaked me out at the time.  Benzo's? You mean that needle your pointing at me is full of Ativan? Get that freaking needle away for me man! 

Tapered to .5 mg and quit 9 weeks ago.  No withdrawal at all and taking .5 had no relaxing effect at all, very odd, I hate my brain.  Note: I think I am stuck at 3mg since that's the last time I felt the Ativan actually working a year ago.

 

My tinnitus did the unexpected, on 200mg modifinil the frequency went from 7000htz to 12,000 htz. I could literally feel my brain and tinnitus speeding up. So today I took 300mg modifinil and the tinnitus went up to 15,000htz and then climbed out of my audible range so it's effectively gone.  Man what's going on here? I never expected this!  Now I am really excited and scared, figured I would write about this with all the extra energy I feel.  Ran a mile on the treadmill, exercise intolerance is gone! 

The added anxiety really sucks but it is nice not having debilitating tinnitus for once.  I know I am playing with fire so don't lecture me      Since this drug up-regulates gabaA I am hoping for a very tranquil withdrawal this weekend.  Probably the tinnitus will return   Time will tell.

 

Note:  I have excess body heat, sweating (My arm pits are dripping wet, really! Yucky! Time for a new shirt) Where was I, my fingers are sticking to the key board like a fly to the ceiling, how interesting. What is this stuff anyhow? Where does it come from?  Where was I now, ah and a bit of head pressure too and mild hyperacusis today, yes this does feel like the beginning of cold turkey and my notes do say I did not have tinnitus at the beginning of C/T but only toward the very end and the frequency did drop in from a high level to a louder lower level before hitting a crescendo pitch.

Sorry about my writing style today it's Gonzo journalism, I think, please excuse me

 

Labrat over and out.

 

(Don't take that pill, let me do it for you )

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Hi Birdie

It's great to see you back. I missed you.

Bart

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Hi Birdie

It's great to see you back. I missed you.

Bart

 

Hi Bart I really missed you too   How are you doing these days?  I am still searching for a short cut as you can see   I am so close but still not back to my old self :'(  About the only time I feel normal is at a loud rock concert   Any sound louder than my tinnitus makes me happy. Last week I saw Celine Dion and on the 11th I am seeing Eddy Money at the Gold nugget front row center yippy ! .  I LOVE living in Vegas!  Loud sounds making my ears ring makes me feel better about my 'ringing ears' this is strange but very true for me.  My tinnitus level is still far above hearing loss level type tinnitus.  I hope the modifinil works but it's a crap shoot.  Now if it was like blackjack then this would be another story 

 

Labrat #1 (formally rat #2 ) is trying new things again.

 

Bye Bart 

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Hey labrat #1

I sure hope you can bounce right back after your chopper crash. You seem back to writing well. Modafinil is generally considered reasonably safe. Maybe you'll find that short cut after all. What dose are you on?

 

Yes, I always loved Vegas too. I remember taking $ out of the Golden Nugget in the 70's and 80's and never got recognized or thrown out. BJ rules are a little more player friendly downtown so we spent more time there and just hit the strip a little here and there; Binion's, Riviera and the Las Vegas club were decent strip casinos in my era.

 

I'm probably completely healed these days and have been banging away on the weights and dieting lately, but have "tied one on" a few times without any symptom flare ups. I guess my benzo ordeal is over and I don't think about it much any more. BB is still an icon on my computers. I do check on some of my friends progress and still PM with some people, but mostly I just poke around on a few threads now and then. We did some traveling, photography trips and diving this summer. The school year is starting up so it's back at it.

 

I will be in Vegas this month for the Mr. Olympia the weekend of the 19th. The main events are at the Orleans Arena and all the expo stuff is at the convention center. I'll definitely be at the BJ tables. Unfortunately, I'll be playing by myself. Always did better when we did the MIT team thing. Then on my way home I'll pop up to Reno to see this growth hormone guru doctor to see if I can get put on the stuff legally. (Hey, better living through biochemistry; or let's hear it for shortcuts; or I'll never give up my labrat ways either.) Actually, now that this benzo shit is over my latest vice has been getting deeply into life extension, slowing the aging process, etc. I'm researching several substances including a really interesting one that may lengthen telomeres.

 

Hugs

 

Bart the Immortal (well, that one is a little optimistic)

 

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Hey labrat #1

I sure hope you can bounce right back after your chopper crash. You seem back to writing well. Modafinil is generally considered reasonably safe. Maybe you'll find that short cut after all. What dose are you on?

 

Yes, I always loved Vegas too. I remember taking $ out of the Golden Nugget in the 70's and 80's and never got recognized or thrown out. BJ rules are a little more player friendly downtown so we spent more time there and just hit the strip a little here and there; Binion's, Riviera and the Las Vegas club were decent strip casinos in my era.

 

I'm probably completely healed these days and have been banging away on the weights and dieting lately, but have "tied one on" a few times without any symptom flare ups. I guess my benzo ordeal is over and I don't think about it much any more. BB is still an icon on my computers. I do check on some of my friends progress and still PM with some people, but mostly I just poke around on a few threads now and then. We did some traveling, photography trips and diving this summer. The school year is starting up so it's back at it.

 

I will be in Vegas this month for the Mr. Olympia the weekend of the 19th. The main events are at the Orleans Arena and all the expo stuff is at the convention center. I'll definitely be at the BJ tables. Unfortunately, I'll be playing by myself. Always did better when we did the MIT team thing. Then on my way home I'll pop up to Reno to see this growth hormone guru doctor to see if I can get put on the stuff legally. (Hey, better living through biochemistry; or let's hear it for shortcuts; or I'll never give up my labrat ways either.) Actually, now that this benzo shit is over my latest vice has been getting deeply into life extension, slowing the aging process, etc. I'm researching several substances including a really interesting one that may lengthen telomeres.

 

Hugs

 

Bart the Immortal (well, that one is a little optimistic)

 

Hi Bart, The chopper crash was so ill and I went down with 7 others in a fully ordinance outfitted  Blackhawk at Groom lake playing with DARPA toys .  2 hours to get to hospital

I just raised the dose to 300mg but I had calf cramps in my sleep all night (oxcito/glutamate at work)  I am also going to rename these "Cold Turkey Pills"  I must be crazy but exploring a theroy is fun at this stage of the game as the golden ring is so close now anyhow, curiosity has me tight in it's grip   This will be the last experiment for this lab-rat but no promises.

 

Mr. Olympia sounds like fun. Bart, I always wanted to ask you, how much can you bench press?

 

That is interesting that you are into life extension. Me too! When I was 38 years old I had a bunch of tissue samples frozen including eggs and epithelium cells.  Theory is that all aging is a simple matter of replicate fading hence a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy is the simple reason cells get so many errors in the code eventually (aging).  Now its just a matter of growing a massive amount of stem cells and figuring out a targeted delivery system which is a real bitch. Maybe a virus to breach cell via PG120/gp41 mechanism and insert 2 RNA's with a reverse transcriptase factor to generate the cDNA and then poof I'm back to 38 years old again   Hell, I can dream can't I?    Heck when I think about how complex we are it's amazing life can even work at all!   Seriously the most important thing is to freeze some of your cells as early as you can in life so your DNA COPY will be a clean version without too many replicate-fade defects.  Even if they can't renew every cell in your body it would be a great tool to grow a new heart or kidney but you have to get those young cells into a freezer as early on in life as possible!

 

I was thinking, maybe I can hook you up with a play partner when your in town. Maybe you and my son can play?  I taught my son and on his 21st birthday he won enough money to buy a new car in only 9 hours of play hehehe   You guys would clean house but I am barred from play for life   Bummer :'(

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Birdman,

 

I am very sorry to read about your accident, and I do hope you are recovering well. 

 

In terms of modafinil, about 10 years ago I was prescribed this med off-label for

fibromyalgia.  I took 100 mg PROVIGIL prn for approximately 2 years. 

 

While I had a sense of well-being and focus while taking this med, the side effects of

headache and nervousness were so intense, I stopped taking it.     

 

Are you experiencing any side effects? 

 

Best of luck to you, Birdman. 

 

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Certainly interesting.

Has anybody on BB taken this drug?

 

Bart

 

Hi bart, I do not think anybody on BB has ever heard of it.  In fact I did not even stumble on it in 18 months of searching for gabaergic drugs and I thought I turned over every stone.  A drug researcher called me and told me about it.  I have made a few friends in the pharma industries now.  You would have to understand me better to know me but if I have a problem I am a "grab the bull by the horns" kind of person

 

If Leo was alive I'd be trying to call him, trust me

 

I talked to a lot of researchers and told them the scoop about my experience and I've asked for help, I am not a shy person, you know that

 

In the back of my mind I knew it was just a matter of time before someone made a reverse benzo to give people energy and heighten their senses but I never knew it was already on the market! 

 

The rule of homeostasis is firmly rooted in the truth that altering brain chemistry leads to new adaptions and even new gene expression.

This could be a God send to someone with paws as the brain changes from this drug could push the brain into a gaba heavy state thus eliminating any lingering s/x.

 

People withdrawing from this drug sleep for days and are sedated for a long time after. From my benzo experience people are not going to complain about that kind of withdrawal because they will be sleeping and the narcolepsy will come back with a vengeance 

 

This drug could never replace a taper. It's not a quick fix BUT for people that have long lasting s/x for years after jumping could maybe find some help.  I was thinking of my tinnitus, I do not want to have this for 3 more years or forever! NO NO NO!  For me it's a defiant contented for post benzo therapy if my symptoms do not clear.  If I do not try to find answers no body will do it for me.  This drug researcher friend of mine said the dose would have to be higher and then benzo like withdrawal symptoms would come back.  Theoretically he says, the body would fight back like it always does.  The result "homeostasis" and hopefully and brand new crop of freshly grown GabaA receptors 

 

I'd do far much more than just calling him. I'm a skeptic about this drug. Thanks but no thanks.

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Birdman,

 

I am very sorry to read about your accident, and I do hope you are recovering well. 

 

In terms of modafinil, about 10 years ago I was prescribed this med off-label for

fibromyalgia.  I took 100 mg PROVIGIL prn for approximately 2 years. 

 

While I had a sense of well-being and focus while taking this med, the side effects of

headache and nervousness were so intense, I stopped taking it.     

 

Are you experiencing any side effects? 

 

Best of luck to you, Birdman. 

 

 

Hi insomniac, how are you doing these days?  I'll take all the advice I can get thanks for your input. For side effects I have bad calf cramps, pins-and-needles in the feet and hands and can not sleep more than 3 hours a night so I am just getting up at 4:00AM and do my programming work at my work station in the bedroom.

 

I admit doing this on my own is scary and my doc knows better than to argue with me so he just says "OK, what will it be this month?" as he gets his  prescription pad ready for my new rx list     I am happy to report nothing worked.  Tapering worked and not being afraid to up-dose a tad when needed and holding without fear of the tolerance bogeyman was a life saver for me.  Turns out the stupid benzo was the best chemical tool I found, go figure 

 

I called up Teva Pharmaceutical and drilled their lab research staff 4 times for about 45 minutes once actually   They mostly agreed with me that PROVIGIL would eventually up-regulate gaba receptors but may also down-regulate the whole glutamatirgic system which is the other shoe that is not talked about much and that works too.

 

Saturday I will c/t it and see what happens and make notes.  Most people are telling me the relaxation hits about 48 hours after stopping or as one guy in the modifinil withdrawal forum said "Feels like my ass is full of lead and I just want to sleep all the time"   That sounds very tranquilizing,  will find out soon enough. 

I will say my tinnitus is so low and actually did not think about it much today which is rare, I hope it lasts. I am worried as I thought I may feel better in withdrawal from modifinil so this test is already going sideways on me .

I navigated the drug scene in the 1970's with my own guru guide (called a 'head' back in those days ) Ok he was not an actual real guru but he was a real hippie and was very experienced in matters of chemistry so I am well suited for these types of chemical journeys   True labrat here.    I can honestly say benzo's was the worst trip I ever took, this drug class is the worst addictive crap ever.  That hippie never warned me about benzo's!  Figures!  Even he stayed clear of them I guess and that was in 1972 no less.

 

I can tell you this much, if I was not feeling very well already I would never consider this pill as it's just about all I can take anxiety wise   Shiver-me-timbers I AM SO WIRED UP right now that I just had to shake it off, errrrr .  Back on treadmill, more running needed

 

Hey insomniac, how long was your taper from 100mg Mod? After only 6 days 100mg has no effect on me any longer so I am finding tolerance is very fast on this drug and that's disappointing me already.

 

Take care insomniac

 

Bird

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Hi Bird,

 

Well, you've had quite an interesting journey, and I hope this experiment goes well for you.

 

I'm surprised you are even getting 3 hours' sleep taking 300 mg/modafinil.

Be careful if you are driving under these circumstances.  I took the med 3 consecutive

days, at one point, and I was extremely anxious and agitated. 

 

This med was taken inconsistently over a two-year period and there was no taper.

 

Best of luck with your experiment, Bird.

 

Take care.

 

Ins

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello Bird,

 

"I guess what you are saying is the BEST Sleeper pill is maybe one that keeps you 'twice as awake' during the day so you kind of crash into bed at the end of the day"

 

 

 

Hey, I like that analogy....

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Hello Bird,

 

"I guess what you are saying is the BEST Sleeper pill is maybe one that keeps you 'twice as awake' during the day so you kind of crash into bed at the end of the day"

 

 

 

Hey, I like that analogy....

 

Thanks BG

 

For the last two days I am in some kind of self-made wave.  Started Friday morning :sick:

 

More later I am just too sick too write enthusiastically at the moment  :sick: (but this is what I was hoping for but it took 6 days)

 

More when I recover  :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

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Hi L, so sorry you got pranged up & are feeling cr*ppy now. You are the glamorous but tough action hero beating the casinos, surviving against the odds & writing brilliant code in the early hours.

 

I have been dabbling in modafinil trying to prompt GABA-r reset but I can only tolerate baby size slivers every few days. My NMDA receptors still pump up the volume with the slightest bit of encouragement. I was doing a 6 hour climb last weekend & my heart rate maxed out just from too much coffee.

 

I also use phenylpiracetam, not more than once a week, (its reported to have high tolerance), which also hits the NMDA & GLU-r quite nicely, so you may be able to swap that in to help with the modafinil tolerance.

 

From the other side, I tried memantine for the tinnitus but it was very underwhelming for the cost.

 

Im looking forward to only hanging out on the life extension blogs & no more research on balancing out glutamate.

 

Hope you feel better soon & look forward to hearing more of your lab rat adventures.

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Hi L, so sorry you got pranged up & are feeling cr*ppy now. You are the glamorous but tough action hero beating the casinos, surviving against the odds & writing brilliant code in the early hours.

 

Action hero? :laugh:   Thanks Ihope    I do not feel so tough right now as I am still riding out this man-made wave

 

 

I have been dabbling in modafinil trying to prompt GABA-r reset but I can only tolerate baby size slivers every few days. My NMDA receptors still pump up the volume with the slightest bit of encouragement. I was doing a 6 hour climb last weekend & my heart rate maxed out just from too much coffee.

 

I also use phenylpiracetam, not more than once a week, (its reported to have high tolerance), which also hits the NMDA & GLU-r quite nicely, so you may be able to swap that in to help with the modafinil tolerance.

 

From the other side, I tried memantine for the tinnitus but it was very underwhelming for the cost.

 

Im looking forward to only hanging out on the life extension blogs & no more research on balancing out glutamate.

 

Hope you feel better soon & look forward to hearing more of your lab rat adventures.

 

I totally get what you mean by that feeling of maxing your heart rate out. I've been there too.  I have c/t'd the strong coffee a few times already and about four days later I get depression.    Healing is so slow I can't really say any one thing helped. Maybe they all helped a little or maybe these experimental diversions just helped past the time.

 

I tryed memantine several times without luck but phenylpiracetam is still on my list.

 

I also would like to get on with normal life but with my ears ringing its a 24-7 reminder that my brain is still very upset.

 

Ihope what's your SX list like at this point?  What SX have you lost and which ones do you still have?

 

For me its the big T only, ring, ring, ring and it sucks! 

Ashton says its the last symptom but this is just ridiculous! 

 

I still have hope since the real thing I hate about the tinnitus is the anxiety of listening to it so maybe it's still a simple anxiety problem.  The reason I think this is that when they had me on morphine I heard the tinnitus but did not care about it the only difference being the level of relaxation I felt without morphine effecting the gabaA system as it works in a different mode of action.

 

Bye Ihope 

 

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How does a drug that keeps you awake help insomnia?

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How does a drug that keeps you awake help insomnia?

 

Sounds funny when you put it like that   OK, If you take it during the day then it could wear you out enough to really crash you hard at night.    Obviously taking any type of stimulant at bedtime is not smart but I have had luck taking them first thing in the morning.  I settled with strong coffee and that is about all I can take on a daily bases.  The list of other stimulants I tested is lengthy and not worth mentioning as they got me in as much trouble as they helped.

 

My use of other drugs is more of a coping mechanism for me, let's call it my process .  When hope is in short supply we find a way to cope and for many of us it's supplements and "cure-hunting" that gives us hope. 

What ever works is good as this journey can be long and tedious.  If sampling a new drug can keep me off benzo's it's worth doing.  The goal is to be drug free but I'll take it one day at a time. 

Even during my drug exploration days in the 1970's my conclusion was much the same as it is today  "Drugs are not conducive to family life or careers"  That said I still think consciousness is a fascinating thing  to explore and altered consciousness is even more fascinating.  Even Steve Jobs said much of his imagination for the apple mouse and desktop window interface came from his LSD experiences.  Like all successful people he knew when to quit.

 

I'm rambling again, sorry

 

 

 

 

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She's Baaaaaaaaaaaack. Jordan...I mean Birdie. 

 

Missed ya Birdie friend.

 

Snowy

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In that case then I think intense exercise is a better option!

 

How does a drug that keeps you awake help insomnia?

 

Sounds funny when you put it like that   OK, If you take it during the day then it could wear you out enough to really crash you hard at night.    Obviously taking any type of stimulant at bedtime is not smart but I have had luck taking them first thing in the morning.  I settled with strong coffee and that is about all I can take on a daily bases.  The list of other stimulants I tested is lengthy and not worth mentioning as they got me in as much trouble as they helped.

 

My use of other drugs is more of a coping mechanism for me, let's call it my process .  When hope is in short supply we find a way to cope and for many of us it's supplements and "cure-hunting" that gives us hope. 

What ever works is good as this journey can be long and tedious.  If sampling a new drug can keep me off benzo's it's worth doing.  The goal is to be drug free but I'll take it one day at a time. 

Even during my drug exploration days in the 1970's my conclusion was much the same as it is today  "Drugs are not conducive to family life or careers"  That said I still think consciousness is a fascinating thing  to explore and altered consciousness is even more fascinating.  Even Steve Jobs said much of his imagination for the apple mouse and desktop window interface came from his LSD experiences.  Like all successful people he knew when to quit.

 

I'm rambling again, sorry

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She's Baaaaaaaaaaaack. Jordan...I mean Birdie. 

 

Missed ya Birdie friend.

 

Snowy

 

Hi Snowy,  I'm am just finishing up a few projects 

 

Bye snowy 

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She's Baaaaaaaaaaaack. Jordan...I mean Birdie. 

 

Missed ya Birdie friend.

 

Snowy

 

Hi Snowy,  I'm am just finishing up a few projects 

 

Bye snowy 

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She's Baaaaaaaaaaaack. Jordan...I mean Birdie. 

 

Missed ya Birdie friend.

 

Snowy

 

Hi Snowy,  I'm am just finishing up a few projects 

 

Bye snowy 

Soooooo, Are ya done yet? Times up. Put yer pencils down.       8)

By the way...Isnt that there Previgil for truck drivers or something? 

Snowy