Stomach healing place

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I tried Milk of magnesia and it didn't work. Any suggestions.

 

this program has helped me quite a lot, and turned things around in a healthy manner pretty quickly. It's not an instant thing like Magnesism Citrate liquids (supposed to be very effective) or hard chemicals ala commercial OTC cleansers and the like...this guy thinks that high fiber is the problem not the solution so a lot of folks won't be able to handle it; the general 'wisdom' pushed peeps in a different direction, sometimes, to the destruction of normal eliminative habits...

 

i did the full on miralax OD the gastroenterologist office recommends before colonoscopies last year, mixing heaps of it and drinking pretty much all at once or over the next several minutes....the recipes are all to easy to find; i guess it was effective but after reading the gutsense protocols, research and findings I'm now thinking those colonoscopies are more invasive and potentially harmful if strictly elective and not absolutely medically indicated thru other diagnoses less invasive...in the best of circumstances they are going to destroy all the good bacteria and potentially leech minerals from systems that rely on them to function properly, even optimally.

 

hope this info posted at the end here helps...it did help me...it's a bit of a committment to read through but i was desperate and i actually got help; i'm finding most of what he says working out within a several days, and now almost a month...

once cleaned out i found it was good to think of pre and probiotics to do some basic internal gardening to help detoxify and also to help w absorbtion of vitamins and minerals thru foods and supplements and etc...the hyrdro C in portions twice a day....w the glutamine powder, pharmaceutical grades all of this; along with pre and pro biotics of varying kinds at various periods, and the careful supplementation he works out (He'll give u the exact ingredients if you don't want his supplier) along with a low fiber diet including yes animal fats, or the right veggie fats if one doesn't go that way....seems to be a general program that is easy to get line with...it's neither cheap nor very expensive; it's probably more expensicve to get these OTC, especially if not care taken in the products design, to assure live delivery of organsms and maximum actual absorbtion of the Vit/Min supplementation. I was really really bound up and going about things in an opposite way to get results and take proper care, even when regularly eliminating w volume and taking in extra fiber all the while thinking i was doing myself good and cleansing rather than loading myself in a way that actually would not allow the proper small amount of water that the body actually needs to function optimally thru number twos....by overhydrating; whooda thunk...

 

if someone has serious problems this link might be important, if they have minor or moderate problems or occasional difficulties it could still help with understanding the entire system mechanisms to intake, absorb and eliminate optimally....

 

seriously if it's crisis right now maybe prune juice; you can get it pure pretty easily...i haven't uesd it in a while; but drinking a lot of a good quality of that is historically effective; as probably the rougher on system OTC laxatives would be; but it's a rough way to go, sometimes necessary I guess but for me i wanted to readjust things healthfully on more normal basis as lifestyle focus, especially in constant physcial crisis and wear and tear of paws; there is enough to worry about when detoxifying from benzos, or whatever the hell happends to your brain when you stop...my bodhy systems need my attention and help in a way i could get away with not attending to previously...

 

....i needed a more comprehensive stragety taking more things into consideration so i am continuing w the following link and doing well...it's not waay radical as some of his descriptions, but very health and easy elimination for the most part, i was sort of surprised,...

 

it's not the quick easy fix for some but will be for others...for me it was not instant but within a few days Everything about healthy easy elimination started to show up...it's been very helpful for me personally....

https://www.gutsense.org/gutsense/constipation.html

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Do any of you get panic attacks, muscle tension or tingling after you go to the bathroom?

i get rather bad abdo muscle tension, possibly partly my opiate history... tingling, im not sure due to nerve damage...??

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Good morning......I know nausea is a symptom of withdrawal......I take an occasional tums only if it's really bad and affects my sleep.  But I wake up extremely nauseous almost every morning.  Part of the process....I'm trying to eating regularly.....

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I've been off klonopin for 9 weeks now. The gut issues are by far the worst. People who have been through this terrible pain ( you know what I mean) please post your stories of surviving this and getting better. 

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Hi all,

 

When I was on ad and benzo's I got issues with certain foods. I felt sick and bloated and my belly felt heavy after eating sugar, fruits high in sugar, dairy and meat. I dont know if this was tolerance wd. I only know it developped during the use of benzo's.

 

During wd I got problems with bread. When I eat bread for breakfast my heartrate goes up.

Some days my belly is swollen, other days not. It seems random.

 

I try to avoid the foods I react to but Im to tired to cook three meals a day and I dont know what to cook either.

If it is wd I hope it will heal anyway. Are you all on a strikt diet?

Yesterday morning I had chicken for breakfast. It didnt make my heartrate go up, but really, do I need to do this? Do I need to eat chicken three times a day?

 

I live on my own and cant do groceries myself. I do cook once a day but it takes all my energy.

 

Of course I want to feel better but dont know where to start and if it will help anyway. Or if I should just give it more time.

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For Me it has been time, all a direct relation to WD and the damage to the nerves and CNS -From many different aspects...

Asides from the obvious, no pizza etc, I would go blue in the face or starve, before what I ate had any big effect...

Foods dont reduce spastic peristalsis, but they sure can assist with transit time...

All in all, a massively complex subject, and I only know the aspects that relate to me...

 

Im sure foods are more important to people with nausia and reflux... etc...

 

Best thing I ever did was listen to my body, not the specialists...

FODMAPS, -my Ass..!!!

 

Be well...

 

Ps, I eat about 4kg organic raw carrots per week...

 

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Can anyone help....my stomach is killing me....I vibrate all day long.....internal vibrations and along with that I have nocturnal panic attacks so I wake up every morning with extreme nausea.  I'm allergic to zophran and the tums are just not cutting it...I took gaviscon.....nothing and I don't know what to eat...kind of desperate

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I'm having intense heartburn and acid reflux that just won't let up. This is my living hell! It's been pretty constant since I jumped off last week. I went to the doctor and she recommended Pepsid AC, which I have been taking but it doesn't seem to help. I called again today and I think they are going to put me on a PPI. Is anyone on this and what is your experience? I have read all the warnings, I am just pretty desperate right now.

I've also made a tea with ginger, turmeric, honey, and coconut oil that seems to be slightly helping short term.

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Sorry, I have found no easy cure asides dose correction..

-not much use if one has jumped...

You could look at prucalopride, ncbi has some info..

Pepermint has helped me a fair bit, and deep belly breathing..

PPI -nexium, never helped...

 

Healing, perhaps mabeverine for vibrations? I only use it when cramps/spasticity are bad..

 

I never get heart burn or reflux, sorry...

 

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I have read in numerous places the peppermint aggravates acid reflux. It seems counterintuitive bc it's supposed to calm an upset stomach but if you have acid I would suggest avoiding it.

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I've used sea-bands throughout my taper with decent results. They work for some, but not for others. Good thing is that they are non-invasive and relatively inexpensive to try.

 

Good luck

Ed

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Does anyone else have this ?  What do you do for it ?

 

Very nervous stomach resulting nausea and inability to eat well ?

 

Many people are gaining back their weight lost in this

But I'm still not well.

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I had gastroparesis which caused the reflux.  While I did go on a ppi I also had to eat plain small meals.  For breakfast I had jelly and yoghurt and gluten free toast.. for lunch an egg or sardines on toast or applesauce and jelly and dinner steamed fish and pumpkin or sweet potato.

 

With gastroparesis the stomach has trouble emptying. *you stomach can empty liquids much easier than solids.If your stomach isn't emptying properly the stomach acid pustsbup ie reflux.  If your intestine peristalsis is sluggish you BP can go up (mine did and I also got rapid heartbeat s flushes$

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Kristina,

 

Did you get a gastroparesis test to see if you have that?  My gi system is all over the place right now, slow (bloat, gas, fullness, hard to eat sometimes) but, at other times, things go right through me way too fast.  I'm wondering about gastroparesis from the benzos too because of the symptoms and I may have SIBO as well.  SIBO can be caused from gastroparesis and other gut motility issues and I'm goin to get tested for SIBO soon.  May ask them about a gastroparesis test, too.  Have you found any medications or supplements that help your gastroparesis?  Thanks.

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Peristalsis can go spastic, and internal sphincters can lock tight and it all becomes uncoordinated and more...

An EEG can record peristalsis... But I wouldnt let them put in a pacemaker, -nor remove unfunctional areas... -mine improved with a slower taper and lower V dose... (amoung other things)..

Prucalopride has been shown to help regulate the GI (ncbi)

-just one of many aspects..

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That's very interesting Cantfly.  My GI certainly feels spastic and my sphincters lock up for sure.  Yesterday, the physical therapist I see said that the GI sphincters need to work together and can cause problems when they don't.  What is an EEG if I may ask?  Won't let them remove anything else for sure-had my gallbladder removed 11 years ago and they said it looked fine... wasn't gallbladder    But, I'm glad your issues improved during your taper-that's very encouraging.  Will ask my GI doc about the Prucalopride.  Thanks for posting about this.

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That's very interesting Cantfly.  My GI certainly feels spastic and my sphincters lock up for sure.  Yesterday, the physical therapist I see said that the GI sphincters need to work together and can cause problems when they don't.  What is an EEG if I may ask?  Won't let them remove anything else for sure-had my gallbladder removed 11 years ago and they said it looked fine... wasn't gallbladder    But, I'm glad your issues improved during your taper-that's very encouraging.  Will ask my GI doc about the Prucalopride.  Thanks for posting about this.

You cant trust a gastro Dr with a knofe... -trust me..!!

EGG -sorry measures the smooth muscle contractions and intensity..

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4110358/#!po=69.7183

 

Most of my initial findings were under Opiate title... or narcotics... oic, oibs, nic, nibs

-most was resurch from ncbi or mayo clinic...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2074872/#!po=0.344828

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4622283/#!po=7.81250

 

Then I just topped up for benzos... so similar...

Most Drs think of prucalopride as a laxative, not a great one... An important note is our issues are usually "upper" meaning small intestine and above... NOT traditional large bowel constipation... -a huge difference, as the small intest can and will absorb toxins etc from delayed motility... and laxatives dont work.. etc..

But off lable it re-regulates peristalsis -low dose was all I could handle... 0.5mg/d -I only used it for 6 months? As there are no long term studies and it is a 5-HT4 antagonist...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4772344/#!po=53.5000

 

Doubt a Dr would have a clue.. -Happy hunting... (mine was at professor level FWIW, and runs our gastro resurch centre...

 

Oh, use some key words i gave here, then look up citations and references...

 

I threw in some links from my opiate folder... -sorry I dont have direct benzo stuff handy, but its close, and thiss will get you started... Up to specific receptors and chemistry...

 

A drop in the ocean, but a clunky start...

 

 

 

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Thank-you very much Cantfly-it's a very good start 

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Kristina,

 

Did you get a gastroparesis test to see if you have that?  My gi system is all over the place right now, slow (bloat, gas, fullness, hard to eat sometimes) but, at other times, things go right through me way too fast.  I'm wondering about gastroparesis from the benzos too because of the symptoms and I may have SIBO as well.  SIBO can be caused from gastroparesis and other gut motility issues and I'm goin to get tested for SIBO soon.  May ask them about a gastroparesis test, too.  Have you found any medications or supplements that help your gastroparesis?  Thanks.

 

Hi BOut,  I'm in New Zealand and my drs were so busy trying to admit the dependency that they had caused that no tests were forthcoming.  However I was prescribed Domperidone for nausea... after looking it up I read about gastroparesis and asked if that's what was wrong;  Dr advised yes.  If I hadn't had relief from the domperidone I would have been hospitalised.  I only took it when really necessary;  I think it's been banned in USA,  when I started taking it more often I had a night of vertigo and haven't taken it since.  However for my first three months it was a Godsend.  I was also prescribed omeprazole which stopped the food not breaking down and also stopped the debilitating reflux caused by the gastroparesis,  although I wish I hadn't taken it for more than 3 months recommended as I had to slow taper and it was not easy!!!  I believe I've now ended up with SINO and have bought 'The Gut Health Protocal'. as recommended by another BB.  However I'm now 14 months out and can finally eat most things,  but still get bloating and some flatulemce ... all very slowly snails pace improving.

 

Thanks Cantfly for your awesome input!!

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Kristina,

 

Did you get a gastroparesis test to see if you have that?  My gi system is all over the place right now, slow (bloat, gas, fullness, hard to eat sometimes) but, at other times, things go right through me way too fast.  I'm wondering about gastroparesis from the benzos too because of the symptoms and I may have SIBO as well.  SIBO can be caused from gastroparesis and other gut motility issues and I'm goin to get tested for SIBO soon.  May ask them about a gastroparesis test, too.  Have you found any medications or supplements that help your gastroparesis?  Thanks.

 

Hi BOut,  I'm in New Zealand and my drs were so busy trying to admit the dependency that they had caused that no tests were forthcoming.  However I was prescribed Domperidone for nausea... after looking it up I read about gastroparesis and asked if that's what was wrong;  Dr advised yes.  If I hadn't had relief from the domperidone I would have been hospitalised.  I only took it when really necessary;  I think it's been banned in USA,  when I started taking it more often I had a night of vertigo and haven't taken it since.  However for my first three months it was a Godsend.  I was also prescribed omeprazole which stopped the food not breaking down and also stopped the debilitating reflux caused by the gastroparesis,  although I wish I hadn't taken it for more than 3 months recommended as I had to slow taper and it was not easy!!!  I believe I've now ended up with SINO and have bought 'The Gut Health Protocal'. as recommended by another BB.  However I'm now 14 months out and can finally eat most things,  but still get bloating and some flatulemce ... all very slowly snails pace improving.

 

Thanks Cantfly for your awesome input!!

 

Sounds like your Drs were reading out of the same book as my GP Drs..!!

At that point I wasnt resurching meds... They just didnt work, or releived the pain for a few days, only to make things worse.. (relaxant)

 

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The stories I could tell... -But dont compare, remember the doses of oxycontin I was on... over 400mg/d for a long time...

I forgot to finnish about my "good" Drs, -The professor and resurch team... They had no real idea beyond "its nerve damage from meds" -they were still treating it as a large bowel issue...

 

They measured my transit time with reflective beads in one stay... -36 DAYS... with laxatives..!!

They induced me, and after a small BM sent me home with a FODMAP diet..!!

-laying on folded pillows was my peristalsis... -I was very sick...

 

But, -Even from this, I am doing real well now... even ate pizza 2 weeks ago with no real drama!!

It all heals in time...

Now my main problem is plain old WD cramping, if I taper too fast... which I think is more the Benzo problem when tapering... The GI has to slowly adjust like our brains do...

So many aspects to tapering and GI issues...

Yet still the simple basics work...

 

(All just my opinion from my experience, which includes other meds)

 

Cheers everyone..!!

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Day 3 benzo free but having serious stomach issue's.  I have a knot in my throat..hoarseness..difficult taking deep breath..can't eat... I took some Zantac...didnt notice any difference... all I have been eating for weeks are banana smoothies and taking a multivitamin... my smoothies are Banana, sugar applesauce, sugar free/fat free greek yogurt and sugar free almond milk.  Really cant handle anything else for weeks now... was hoping my stomach issues would level off but they are getting worse... any advice would be helpful  thank you!

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Kristina:  good to hear you are doing better and can eat a lot of foods again 

 

Cantfly:  glad you can eat more too and thanks again for the great info/observations

 

stevozz:  so sorry you are having bad stomach issues. I was rereading some of Dr. Ashton's benzo withdrawal information and she said that "IBS, nausea, diarrhea, pain, gas, distention and heartburn are common.  Can be due to overactivity of autonomic nervous system which controls gut motility and is very reactive to stress-including benzo withdrawal.  There are benzo receptors in the gut and nothing is found many times with tests."  Being in acute just after getting off the benzos may be making your GI issues worse for now.  I hope it lets up for you as you recover.  I'm glad you are able to drink the smoothies, I had to do that a lot during tapering and withdrawal, too.  Still use them sometimes when bloat/fullness make eating too painful/uncomfortable. I use almond or coconut milk, almond butter, ground flaxseed and berries or cherries.  Hope your stomach issues ease up for you soon. 

 

 

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Hi stevozz.

 

I had problems similar to yours during my taper and for about a year off. I lost 40 lbs on my taper and have gained it back over time. Like you, I literally could not eat. I drank smoothies. But gradually I was able to tolerate food. My nausea was so bad I took Zofran from time to time. Eating yogurt seemed to help . . . but the greatest healer was time.

 

I still have days of yucky stomach, and a Pepcid helps.

 

This is very frustrating, I know, having been there. Sad to say, it's par for the course. It's a shitty course, though.

 

Wishing you the best.

 

Katz

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Hi stevozz.

 

I had problems similar to yours during my taper and for about a year off. I lost 40 lbs on my taper and have gained it back over time. Like you, I literally could not eat. I drank smoothies. But gradually I was able to tolerate food. My nausea was so bad I took Zofran from time to time. Eating yogurt seemed to help . . . but the greatest healer was time.

 

I still have days of yucky stomach, and a Pepcid helps.

 

This is very frustrating, I know, having been there. Sad to say, it's par for the course. It's a shitty course, though.

 

Thanks Katz.. I am down over 50lbs now...But I had it too lose...current weight is 227 now.  I have been taking zantac 150 early morn and bed  and Omeprazole 40 mg midday for about 4 days now...stomach issues are starting to improve...I read so much about GABA and the stomach. I finally got some sleep last night, about 3 hrs but that is huge for me ...I know REM sleep is so important for the body to heal... all the stomach meds come with their own side effects like head fog , so it's hard to determine if my fag is still lingering benzo w/d or stomach meds...most likely a bit of each....either way i keep a daily log of my progress to look back at...it really helps keep perspective of how far I have come.  The benzo buddie family has played such a HUGE role in doing this right way...doctors don't have a clue.... thank you everyone! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

Wishing you the best.

 

Katz

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Day 12 benzo free,  A huge red flag went up yesterday for me. I am like everyone else who is on this hell ride...trying to understand how to get off...yesterday my wife and I made a big connection after I had an EGD done for my stomach to find out for certain I am battling gerd/esophogitis  as my regular doctor thinks. In fact she didnt think the EGD was necessary since all my symptoms were classic gerd.  Well she was dead wrong and now she is fired... Gastro doc gave me a clean bill of health...my stomach is in great shape..no irritation..my duodenum is good..LES working fine..and  my esophagus showed no signs of acid reflux.  As it turns out it was all the gerd meds...Prilosec and zantac that were actually giving me added anxiety leading to stomach discomfort...just take a look at this link and see how many people have similar symptoms to benzo withdrawals..

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810&name=PRILOSEC

 

Now I am not claiming prilosec is making everyone sick...but in my case it was. After jumping off for 2 days my stomach was killing me/typical withdrawal symptom... so doctor said gerd...take 40mg prilosec...but each day my head pressure got worse..stomach got worse...dizzy..lost appetite..insomnia..back on the couch...I felt like I was back in complete benzo withdrawals and was losing my mind...

 

I stopped the zantac and prilosec 2 days ago and have already felt improvement...then it occured to me that the first round of prilosec was what sent me to the docotor in the first palce....I had taken it for 5 days and each day I was falling apart...the 5th day I was having wild dreams like a bad acid trip....I just never connected the dots from first prilosec dose to this last round... It appears now that the prilosec may have been the very thing that started this benzo hell ride....

 

Thank God for the internet... if I was at the mercy of these drug pushing doctors I would be taking Zoloft now on top of everything else they have thrown at me... I was so vulnerable and weak that I actually went to a shrink to get any kind of info to explain what was going on...and all he could do was offer another drug/Zoloft.... I tore up the script in the parking lot with what little strength I had left... thank you all my Benzobuddies!