Just started my crossover

[[mr...]]

Currently on .5mg K AM and .5mg K PM.

 

 

Is it better to switch this up to .25mg K four times a day to prepare for my Crossover?

[[Li...]]

Are you experiencing interdose withdrawal?

[[mr...]]

No but when I crossover I want to do it like the below

 

 

At start

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 5mg V

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 5mg V

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

1 PM - 5mg V

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

[[Li...]]

Are you asking if you should split your doses before you begin the crossover?

[[mr...]]

Just asking if that type of crossover will work?

[[mr...]]

Ok, I came up with this new schedule:

 

Thoughts?

 

 

5 Days

9 AM:  0.125mg K / 2.5mg V

3 PM:  0.25mg K

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9 AM:  5mg V

3 PM:  0.25mg K

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  0.125mg K / 2.5mg V

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  5mg V

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  5mg V

BED: 0.25mg K / 5mg V

 

Final

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  5mg V

BED: 10mg V

[[sl...]]

Hi mrcybershow,

Do you know how many clonazepam tablets your new proposed crossover schedule requires?

[[mr...]]

I will have enough from my doc.

[[Li...]]

I have no personal experience with substitution so this is just my opinion based on what I’ve read in the Ashton Manual coupled with what I’ve learned here on the forum about basic tapering principles.  Two of those principles are: do not make a change unless one is indicated and change only one variable at a time.

 

You’ve indicated you are stable at your current dose and dosing schedule.  Why do you think a change in dosing schedule is necessary?  Is it because you do not wish to take clonazepam and diazepam at the same time (as you indicated in another one of your threads)?  If so, can you help us understand your rationale? As you can see in Ashton’s Schedule V (link below), there are several points where this is done.

 

Do you plan to change your dosing schedule from 2 times a day to 4 times a day before you begin the crossover?  Or, do you plan to change your dosing schedule during your crossover? If you implement the latter and encounter issues, you will be unable to determine if they are due to the change in dosing schedule, the introduction of the diazepam, or an interaction between the two changes.

 

If I were in your shoes, I would consider a crossover plan that does not involve a change in dosing schedule. Alternatively, I would consider changing my dosing schedule and stabilizing before I initiated the crossover. (It is not uncommon for individuals to experience issues when they change their dosing schedule.)

 

Link:

Schedule 5. Withdrawal from clonazepam (Klonopin) 1.5mg daily with substitution of diazepam (Valium)

https://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm#s5

[[sl...]]

Sounds great then! Looks to me like a 6 step crossover, keeping your night dose at 50% of your total dose for you goal of insomnia support. I think this is the best plan yet, especially with your confidence that your doctor will provide sufficient medication to make the cross.

[[mr...]]

Does something like below look ok?

 

 

 

At start

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 5mg V

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 5mg V

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

1 PM - 5mg V

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

[[mr...]]

Which crossover schedule looks better?  Can they both work with no issues?

 

 

#1

 

At start

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 5mg V

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 0.25mg K

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

7 Days

8 AM - 0.25mg K

1 PM - 5mg V

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

1 PM - 5mg V

6 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

 

 

OR

 

At Start

 

5 Days

9 AM:  0.25mg K

3 PM:  0.25mg K

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9 AM:  0.125mg K / 2.5mg V

3 PM:  0.25mg K

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9 AM:  5mg V

3 PM:  0.25mg K

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  0.125mg K / 2.5mg V

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  5mg V

BED: 0.5mg K

 

5 Days

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  5mg V

BED: 0.25mg K / 5mg V

 

Final

9AM:  5mg V

3PM:  5mg V

BED: 10mg V

[[sl...]]

Which crossover schedule looks better?  Can they both work with no issues?

 

I'm sorry to disappoint, but there is no way that I could possible know what crossover schedule would work for you "with no issues". I think I have already shared all that I know about crossing and I doubt that I could be the judge of what combination of factors will best support you in your unique situation.

 

To recap, in my opinion week long holds are generally better than five day holds; three or four doses per day are generally better than less, and more steps are generally better than less. Pamster, myself and then Libertas have all said that adjusting to whatever new dosage schedule you want before crossing seems likely to be better tolerated. I'm glad your doctor will provide the medication you need; that factor is absolutely essential. IMO, there isn't that much more to it.

 

If there's anything we can do to help please let us know. 

[[mr...]]

Thank you.

 

I will just do the first one which is 4 x a day.

[[sl...]]

I will just do the first one which is 4 x a day.

 

[[mr...]]

I’m about to start my Crossover from Klonopin to Valium. 

 

Any advice or changes I need to make last minute to reduce any symptoms?

 

 

 

AT START

 

8 AM - 0.25mg K

2 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

BEGIN CROSSOVER

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

2 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

Hold 1 week

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

2 PM - 5mg V

BED - 0.25mg K

 

Hold 1 week

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

2 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

[[mr...]]

When crossing over to Valium verrrrry slowly did anybody experience Tachycardia or palpitations?

 

 

Below is what I’m gonna be doing.

 

 

 

AT START

 

8 AM - 0.25mg K

2 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

BEGIN CROSSOVER

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

2 PM - 0.25mg K

BED - 0.25mg K

 

Hold 1 week

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

2 PM - 5mg V

BED - 0.25mg K

 

Hold 1 week

 

7 Days

8 AM - 5mg V

2 PM - 5mg V

BED - 5mg V

[[mr...]]

Does anyone know Benzo wise doctors around Portland Oregon

[[mr...]]

When switching from Klonopin to valium, does Valium help keep your heart rate low the same way Klonopin does?

[[mr...]]

I’m currently working my way up to 100 mg of Zoloft.  Right now I’m on 75mg

 

 

Is it OK to start my Crossover from Klonopin to valium or should I wait until I’m at 100 mg of my Zoloft and then start?

[[je...]]

Generally we recommend making changes to only one drug at a time. If you experience difficulties during the crossover it's hard to tell which one might be causing your symptoms and how to possibly fix it.

 

It might be better to wait with the crossover until you have reached your desired Zoloft dose?

[[mr...]]

I was on Valium for nine years and was recently put on Klonopin about a month and a half ago.

 

Is it safe to go back to Valium if I haven’t been on it for like 5 months?

 

I want to use Valium to taper.

[[Pa...]]

I'm not sure what you mean by safe? 

[[mr...]]

Kindling?

[[Pa...]]

As I understand kindling doesn't apply to switching benzo's but thought to be caused by repeated stops and starts.