Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse

[[Gu...]]

I guess so. Morreweg I studied German at university and my mind is so scrambled I'm starting to remember it.

 

Wie sagt man auf deutsch? Alles ist Moglich.

[[Mo...]]

yeah gussy, thats what i meant...Alles ist Möglich....

nothing can surprise me now....and i mean nothing.

auf wiedersehen. alles gute and ciao.

[[Ju...]]

Hi Gussy88,

 

Do you know that liver cells do recover same as brain cells?Yes alcohol damages liver,so its better to stop with it.A fatty liver disease is the worst case you may have,not cirrhosis in any way! And it is a fully reversible condition! Just give your liver some time to recover.Its not dangerous,its not serious in any way.Eat healthy,no alcohol and you will see how much better you will feel!

 

Healing thoughts

 

J

[[Co...]]

Gussy,

It is not for us to say what your diagnosis is but b/c we all have so many of the same symptoms it seems possible that it is w/d. As an FYI, when the w/d started w me I thought it was liver dz also. I do not have a history of drug and alcohol abuse but my mind backed me against the wall b/c I had no idea why I was so sick. And YES, benzos can do this. You will be told if you are right. I hope you are not. Hang in there.

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When you're in the final stage of cirrhosis, you would be able to throw up. Blood, that is. I'm not entirely sure, but to get cirrhosis from alcohol abuse you have to be a very heavy drinker. Most people think they are heavy drinkers, but they are not. There's a disctintion between what doctors believe to be unhealthy (drinking everyday is already problematic they tell us) and alcoholism. Most alcoholics don't drink beer and wine, they grab the heavy stuff. In countries where cirrhosis is the number one cause of death in young males (like parts of Russia for example) they drink (home made) vodka every day. Did you do that?

 

The liver is a remarkable organ, it can regenerate itself. The damage you've done to your liver must be excessive in order to get cirrhosis. Again, do you think you fit this profile?

 

Doctors don't like to perform biopsies. It's understandable since it has a risk factor. That's why they don't want to do it since your blood test came back just fine.

 

I've had a very bad reaction to alcohol once when I was on antibiotics. I never took the combination alcohol and antibiotics seriously, but after that I do. Maybe you had (knowingly or unknowingly) some sort of bad combination between food, pills and alcohol that caused your liver (or stomach, or intestines, they're in the same region and it's very hard to tell which of the organs cause the problem) to be upset?

 

Good luck and I hope you will recover soon.

[[Ch...]]

Oh Gussy I'm so sorry, you must be beside yourself with worry. When will you have the tests repeated? I hope with all my heart that the results are negative.

 

It's not unusual at all when we're in w/d for lab results to come back totally off the charts.

 

If it helps to reassure you at all, when I was still fairly new off benzos, in my first year, I was told by a GP (not my regular doctor) that I had bladder cancer.

A routine urine showed that I had hematuria although an ultrasound of my lower abdomen offered no explanation for the bleeding.

So a specimen was sent for cytology, the pathologist found that I had atypical cells.

That's what this doctor based his diagnosis on.

 

You can imagine how stressed and sad I was, it was very hard for me to process it all.

Thankfully I had a cystoscopy done and my urologist said that I didn't have bladder cancer.

The hematuria cleared up on it's own and no real explanation was ever really given for it, just one of those things that happen I guess.

 

So please hang in there and think positive thoughts, okay?

 

Chinook

 

[[Gu...]]

Thanks again guys.

 

To be honest I felt vague symptoms from my liver, like pain in the area, for years but it always went away. It wasn't so much the volume of alcohol I drank but the fact that I mixed it with painkillers. Though I lived in Korea where heavy drinking is part of the culture and they drink a vodka like alcohol called soju. I did, in spades. This year I noticed I couldn't tolerate alcohol at all anymore and thought it was the benzo wd. Nor could I tolerate fatty food. But its only the last week that I've become really sick. I'm really scared because it seems likely that I've screwed my liver. Your liver can't come back after a certain point and by the time you have related symptoms its often too late.

 

I'm terrified and thinking about the real prospect of facing death. Not like benzo wd when you just think you are.

[[Ba...]]

Any news from your doctor?

[[Gu...]]

Hey everyone,

I felt really bad again yesterday (worse than benzo wd) so I went back to hospital. I had severe nausea, abdominal pain in the liver area, exhaustion and I felt so vague. The ER wasn't much help. They ran more blood tests which were ok but refused to do a CT or liver ultrasound. I understand that public healthcare in Australia is free so they want to use the resources discerningly but given my history and symptoms they should've. The young intern suspected either alcholic hepatitis or a peptic ulcer and sent me away with oxycodone and antacids and told me to see my Dr about the ultrasound and CT. Because I look relatively normal no one will take me seriously. Even Dr's down under don't want to do additional tests if your blood test results come back fine. It costs the taxpayer money. I don't feel fine, however, and blood tests don't tell the story.

 

I've just been feeling so awful I can't take it anymore. Apart from the physical symptoms I'm too lethagic to move and can't think properly. Just feel like I'm going mad or dying. The only thing that helped me was the oxycodone, the hospital gave me a script for 30, albeit temporarily.

 

The free healthcare system in Australia is more of a curse than a blessing. There isn't an option of paying for ultrasounds or CT's here and Dr's are averse to ordering them to save money. So people like me may have a serious conditions that goes undiagnosed. I can't afford private health cover in which case they would've done all the tests necessary.

 

And they call Australia the lucky country  .

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Hey Gussy,

 

I'm pretty sure you can have tests you desire if you pay for them yourself (being uninsured). I didn't take out insurance when I was having my fourth baby. I paid for a private obstetrician during the pregnancy and for the delivery and a private room in the hospital. Luckily nothing went wrong or I would have been up for a big bill.

 

My elderly mother also had a suspected cancerous lump in her groin. She has no private cover. The wait time was going to be several weeks. I was out of my mind with worry so my husband organised for her to see another private specialist and she had the operation done within a couple of days privately.

 

I guess a doctor or specialist has to order the tests to make sure the right people access a limited resource but I'm pretty sure you could organise to pay for yourself.

 

Xana (from Oz)

 

[[ja...]]

OneLove,

    I looked at your Benzo history and your taper.  You went to the ER at that microscopic dose?  How are you even dependent on Benzo's?  I'm sorry if I sound rude, I just think maybe something else is going on.  Have you had a checkup with a good Doctor??

 

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OneLove,

    I looked at your Benzo history and your taper.  You went to the ER at that microscopic dose?  How are you even dependent on Benzo's?  I'm sorry if I sound rude, I just think maybe something else is going on.  Have you had a checkup with a good Doctor??

 

If it were a microscopic dose we couldn't see it. Quite judging and exaggerating.

[[On...]]

OneLove,

    I looked at your Benzo history and your taper.  You went to the ER at that microscopic dose?  How are you even dependent on Benzo's?  I'm sorry if I sound rude, I just think maybe something else is going on.  Have you had a checkup with a good Doctor??

 

You PMed me with this comment and I answered you in PM, but I will also be happy to answer here, since you also posted it on a public thread. 

 

I've seen and continue to see a number of specialists, have had numerous tests run, been hospitalized in several different hospitals in several different states, including the Mayo Clinic, and have not been diagnosed with anything that would cause my symptoms, other than KNOWN benzodiazepine standard withdrawal symptoms.

 

My trip to ER: as you can see from my signature, my weight was down to 77 pounds, I had tapered VERY rapidly, and on top of that I had recently had two different board certified medical MD specialists recommend that I try medical cannabis. As I could not smoke due to breathing issues that were benzo provoked, I had a massage therapist use an infused oil for a massage. Then he had me ingest a tablespoon of infused coconut oil. Within an hour I was having an acute pancreatitis attack and in full blown extreme psychosis. It took 8 paramedics to get me from my home into a rescue vehicle. The psychosis resolved within a day; the pancreatitis stills comes and goes. I learned afterwards that infusing in oil potentiates the cannabis 5 times that of smoking. Also, coconut oil goes straight to the liver without having to be digested in the gut first. I WONT be doing that again.

 

Is there anything else you would like to know?

 

My goal from here on out is to withdraw from this criminally prescribed (in some states and countries)  medication with as little CNS damage as possible. I'm truly sorry you have suffered so much damage yourself. I hope for an eventual recovery for you. And I hope for a smooth withdrawal and full recovery for everyone.

[[Mo...]]

gosh OneLove this is more than criminal and its shocking.

all the best to you. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 

i hope james7311 is well informed now. a signature would be quite interesting and

will make it easier to support you james7311. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :

[[In...]]

OneLove,

    I looked at your Benzo history and your taper.  You went to the ER at that microscopic dose?  How are you even dependent on Benzo's?  I'm sorry if I sound rude, I just think maybe something else is going on.  Have you had a checkup with a good Doctor??

 

There are plenty of people here on BB suffering after only being on a few weeks, or being on relatively low doses. Some people are naturally more sensitive or respond badly to benzos. It doesn't take much of these drugs to throw the whole body and brain out of whack for months and months.

 

Perhaps you should read more and tread lightly with the insensitive comments because, yes, it was rude. Minimizing the w/d experiences of others is poor form on BB.

[[Be...]]

Here is my understanding of what's going on here:

 

You have a bunch of fairly common benzo w/d symptoms that started when you quit benzos. You have seen multiple doctors that tell you your liver is not failing. You're just going through w/d and making yourself freak out.

 

I would say "take a chill pill", but no, don't do that

[[Co...]]

OneLove,

    I looked at your Benzo history and your taper.  You went to the ER at that microscopic dose?  How are you even dependent on Benzo's?  I'm sorry if I sound rude, I just think maybe something else is going on.  Have you had a checkup with a good Doctor??

 

 

While onelove's dose is small, it's anything but microscopic! It took me 6 months to taper down from where she is. I jumped at 0.3 Valium and went through unspeakable hell through every step of the way. I'm now struggling through acute withdrawal. Plus Ashton doesn't recommend jumping from anything higher than 0.5 valium!

[[Co...]]

James7311,

 

I agree w everyone else that your comment was a bit thoughtless. We are all in a difficult situation. When I was so sick from too rapid tapering I posted that I was on the floor shaking. Instead of dissing me, BB peeps told me what I was doing wrong and offered support. That is what we do. I hope that you are ok as well. Onelove has been through the wringer. We are here to help each other. I would never had made is this far w/o these people. :tickedoff:

[[or...]]

James, you haven't been here long enough to know the hell that OneLove has been going through. And her dose is not microscopic. Even if it were, we're all different. Please, be more sensitive next time you post . . . and inform yourself better.

 

We are here to support each other. Hold each other's hands. Offer well-informed advice.

 

Sorry if I sound aggravated, but I am a little.

 

Okatz

[[Gu...]]

I'm the one who's barely holding on to life and you guys are arguing about something so trivial.

 

I don't understand. Dandyhighwayman wasn't real. I am unfortunately.

[[In...]]

Sorry this thread got away from topic a bit there Gussy. We all still care for you and your situation. Unfortunately there was nowhere else to address the comment but in your thread. I've posted a response in your latest thread, perhaps everyone could move over there to get back on track 

[[or...]]

I apologize, Gussy.

 

Okatz

[[Mc...]]

gussy

Just stopped by to see how you are. I am worried and hope you can soon post that you are feeling a bit better. Hang on  just hang on

Sue

[[In...]]

gussy

Just stopped by to see how you are. I am worried and hope you can soon post that you are feeling a bit better. Hang on  just hang on

Sue

 

Sue, we've moved over here  http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=92305.0

[[Co...]]

Sorry Gussy,

 

How is it going? I hope that you are feeling better.

 

Colorado