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1 minute ago, [[H...] said:

I'm glad that you're Not so sick Like many others. Do you know Matt Samet?

No is he a benzubuddy? 

Yeah I could be so much worse and I'm really grateful..

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No, He abused IT too, was sick for 7 jears and wrote a book named "death grip". He has a View Videos on YouTube and If you Google "matt Samet Seroquel" you can find His Story.

 

But again, when was your Last Dose?

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3 minutes ago, [[H...] said:

No, He abused IT too, was sick for 7 jears and wrote a book named "death grip". He has a View Videos on YouTube and If you Google "matt Samet Seroquel" you can find His Story.

But again, when was your Last Dose?

Oh 7 years!! Crazy..

It's around 6 months ago. 

Since then i can see that I'm getting slowly better every new month :)

I hope I'm not have to wait 7 years to be totally done with this!!

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10 minutes ago, [[H...] said:

No, He abused IT too, was sick for 7 jears and wrote a book named "death grip". He has a View Videos on YouTube and If you Google "matt Samet Seroquel" you can find His Story.

But again, when was your Last Dose?

Oh 7 years!! Crazy..

It's around 6 months ago. 

Since then i can see that I'm getting slowly better every new month :)

 

I googled for that matt guy and he wrote a book about it. I think I will read it thanks!!

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6 hours ago, [[H...] said:

I Had weird Symptoms too in tolerance Like Depression, anhedonia, sweating.... I'm not sure if im in tolerance Withdrawal 

I dont think those are weird symptoms. I have them and I am in tolerance withdrawal. Those are also symptoms of AD withdrawal. 

Personally, I think it's best to taper one drug at a time. I think that would be the benzo. 

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On 19.4.2024 at 17:47, [[P...] said:

Ich habe eine Zeit lang viele verschiedene Medikamente eingenommen. Sie ließen mich glauben, ich sei bipolar, aber es waren nur Entzugserscheinungen, das weiß ich jetzt.

 

On 19.4.2024 at 18:03, [[P...] said:

Ich wechselte die Dosis von hoch zu niedrig, und als ich aufhörte, nahm ich 150 mg Diazepam. 

Ach wirklich!?? 

 

On 18.4.2024 at 16:47, [[r...] said:

Let me first say I am so upset you had this happen to you in 2024. There is no making excuses for doctors anymore. They need to stop treating psych meds like street drugs and alcohol with an addiction medicine approach. This is madness and I feel like I am living in clown world with these medical people doing these barbaric things. They seem like they have some kind of fetish with people suffering. 

Die gute Nachricht ist, dass Sie sich meiner Meinung nach stabilisieren werden. Ihr Nervensystem war VIEL schockiert über die Halbierung dieser ordentlichen Menge Benzo. 30 mg sind eine ziemlich gute Dosis. Normalerweise stabilisieren sich die Menschen dadurch jedoch. Und eine weitere gute Sache ist, dass Sie sich im flacheren Teil der Gaba-Rezeptor-Besetzungskurve befinden, wenn wir von der hyperbolischen Theorie ausgehen, was meiner Meinung nach sehr gültig ist. Das bedeutet, dass bei niedrigeren Dosen viel mehr Gaba-Rezeptoren durch kleine Dosen des Arzneimittels besetzt werden. 

Normalerweise besteht bei größeren Schnitten aus höheren Dosen eine größere Chance, sich zu stabilisieren, wenn man lange genug durchhält. Wenn dies eine niedrigere Dosis wäre, würde es meiner Meinung nach noch HÄRTER für Ihr System sein, wie eine plötzliche Einnahme von 10 mg auf 5 mg, wobei die Haltedauer meiner Meinung nach noch länger sein müsste.  

Schauen Sie sich diesen Link zum Thema „Long Holds“ an und erfahren Sie, wie er diesem Mitglied und dem Mechanismus dahinter geholfen hat und Ihnen vielleicht etwas Hoffnung gibt. 

. https://benzobuddies.org/topic/273530-long-hold-taper-strategy-discussion/#comment-3472166

Aber wir können auch nicht leugnen, dass der Elefant im Raum der verdammte AP ist, auf dem Sie ebenfalls sind. Es könnte ein großes Problem mit anderen Medikamenten in der Mischung geben. Man weiß einfach nicht, was was verursacht. Aber ich kann fast mein Leben darauf wetten, dass die RIESIGE Reduzierung des Benzo-Gehalts wirklich alles durcheinander bringt.

Dieses verdammte SEROQUEL............... SEROQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEROQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEROQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Ich gebe es aus, als wäre es ein leichtes Beruhigungsmittel und eine Schlaftablette. OMG!!!!!!! Ich bin so wütend darüber, wie sie das verbreiten, als wäre es harmlos. Es ist so eine schwere Droge. 

Gott, der Allmächtige, es ist nicht für Benzo-Entzuger oder verärgerte Krankenschwestern im Krankenhaus gedacht, die sich nicht um ihre Patienten, ihren Job oder irgendetwas anderes kümmern können. Es soll gegen SCHIZOPHRENIE und Psychosen sein. Es birgt eine Welt voller möglicher Probleme und langfristiger Schäden. Ich habe wirklich das Gefühl, dass HALDOL der Grund dafür ist, dass ich in den Schlamassel geraten bin, in dem ich mich befinde. Es ist eine ernste Angelegenheit. 

Wenn Sie weiterhin zum Arzt gehen, wird dieser ständig alle Ihre Dosierungen ändern, und das Gehirn hasst diese Unvorhersehbarkeit einfach. Seien Sie also sehr müde davon. Ich würde aber vielleicht ein paar Tests machen lassen, um zu sehen, ob dir der Stoff ausgeht. Vielleicht könnte Ihnen das bei der Halbierung des Benzo und dem Schock, den Ihr Körper u

On 18.4.2024 at 16:47, [[r...] said:

Lassen Sie mich zunächst sagen, dass ich so verärgert bin, dass Ihnen das im Jahr 2024 passiert ist. Für Ärzte gibt es keine Ausreden mehr. Sie müssen aufhören, Psychopharmaka wie Straßendrogen und Alkohol mit einem suchtmedizinischen Ansatz zu behandeln. Das ist Wahnsinn und ich habe das Gefühl, in einer Clownwelt zu leben, in der diese Mediziner diese barbarischen Dinge tun. Sie scheinen eine Art Fetisch zu haben, wenn Menschen leiden. 

Die gute Nachricht ist, dass Sie sich meiner Meinung nach stabilisieren werden. Ihr Nervensystem war VIEL schockiert über die Halbierung dieser ordentlichen Menge Benzo. 30 mg sind eine ziemlich gute Dosis. Normalerweise stabilisieren sich die Menschen dadurch jedoch. Und eine weitere gute Sache ist, dass Sie sich im flacheren Teil der Gaba-Rezeptor-Besetzungskurve befinden, wenn wir von der hyperbolischen Theorie ausgehen, was meiner Meinung nach sehr gültig ist. Das bedeutet, dass bei niedrigeren Dosen viel mehr Gaba-Rezeptoren durch kleine Dosen des Arzneimittels besetzt werden. 

Normalerweise besteht bei größeren Schnitten aus höheren Dosen eine größere Chance, sich zu stabilisieren, wenn man lange genug durchhält. Wenn dies eine niedrigere Dosis wäre, würde es meiner Meinung nach noch HÄRTER für Ihr System sein, wie eine plötzliche Einnahme von 10 mg auf 5 mg, wobei die Haltedauer meiner Meinung nach noch länger sein müsste.  

Schauen Sie sich diesen Link zum Thema „Long Holds“ an und erfahren Sie, wie er diesem Mitglied und dem Mechanismus dahinter geholfen hat und Ihnen vielleicht etwas Hoffnung gibt. 

. https://benzobuddies.org/topic/273530-long-hold-taper-strategy-discussion/#comment-3472166

Aber wir können auch nicht leugnen, dass der Elefant im Raum der verdammte AP ist, auf dem Sie ebenfalls sind. Es könnte ein großes Problem mit anderen Medikamenten in der Mischung geben. Man weiß einfach nicht, was was verursacht. Aber ich kann fast mein Leben darauf wetten, dass die RIESIGE Reduzierung des Benzo-Gehalts wirklich alles durcheinander bringt.

Dieses verdammte SEROQUEL............... SEROQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEROQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEROQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Ich gebe es aus, als wäre es ein leichtes Beruhigungsmittel und eine Schlaftablette. OMG!!!!!!! Ich bin so wütend darüber, wie sie das verbreiten, als wäre es harmlos. Es ist so eine schwere Droge. 

Gott, der Allmächtige, es ist nicht für Benzo-Entzuger oder verärgerte Krankenschwestern im Krankenhaus gedacht, die sich nicht um ihre Patienten, ihren Job oder irgendetwas anderes kümmern können. Es soll gegen SCHIZOPHRENIE und Psychosen sein. Es birgt eine Welt voller möglicher Probleme und langfristiger Schäden. Ich habe wirklich das Gefühl, dass HALDOL der Grund dafür ist, dass ich in den Schlamassel geraten bin, in dem ich mich befinde. Es ist eine ernste Angelegenheit. 

Wenn Sie weiterhin zum Arzt gehen, wird dieser ständig alle Ihre Dosierungen ändern, und das Gehirn hasst diese Unvorhersehbarkeit einfach. Seien Sie also sehr müde davon. Ich würde aber vielleicht ein paar Tests machen lassen, um zu sehen, ob dir der Stoff ausgeht. Vielleicht könnte Ihnen das bei der Halbierung des Benzo und dem Schock, den Ihr Körper und Ihr Gehirn erlitten haben, helfen. 

Es tut mir so leid und lass es uns wissen, wenn es dir wieder gut geht. Ich glaube wirklich, dass Sie das schaffen werden, wenn Sie das durchstehen. 

nd Ihr Gehirn erlitten haben, helfen. 

Es tut mir so leid und lass es uns wissen, wenn es dir wieder gut geht. Ich glaube wirklich, dass Sie das schaffen werden, wenn Sie das durchstehen.

Do you think this is valid for people in tolerance too? I reached Tolerance definitly and got weird Symptoms which i Had never before. Then i went to Hospital and the Horror started.... I'm Holding for almost 3 Months now. I don't know if the Person who wrote this reached Tolerance too?

 

Thanks for your help

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3 minutes ago, [[H...] said:

Do you think this is valid for people in tolerance too? I definitely reached tolerance and got weird symptoms which I had never before. Then I went to Hospital and the Horror started.... I'm Holding for almost 3 Months now. I don't know if the person who wrote this reached tolerance too?

Thanks for your help

Hi!

If you mean me yes! My tolerance was "total", as in what ever dose I took it wasn't enough to withstand the withdrawal symptoms. 

I know what you're going through. It will get better though.

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No I never reached tolerance or anything like that. I started tapering my measly 5 mg of valium about 1.5 months after I was first put on it cause I know the serious dangers of these drugs as this is my second rodeo.  But I am telling you I think you will stabilize from this rapid taper and cut. You may have to give it some time, but I think it will happen. The problem for you though could be that damn Seroquel. But I wouldn't make any adjustments at all and do everything you can with eating good, exercise and support here. 

 

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I already stabilized from CT from prozac. At this point i already had some Seroquel. Not as much Like now. But i think i didn't hindered my Recovery. Remeron was the worst. I Had to CT it, No other way. But that was 3 jears ago 

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1 hour ago, [[r...] said:

No I never reached tolerance or anything like that. I started tapering my measly 5 mg of valium about 1.5 months after I was first put on it cause I know the serious dangers of these drugs as this is my second rodeo.  But I am telling you I think you will stabilize from this rapid taper and cut. You may have to give it some time, but I think it will happen. The problem for you though could be that damn Seroquel. But I wouldn't make any adjustments at all and do everything you can with eating good, exercise and support here. 

No, i mean that Person who Made this Post about the long Holdings 😉

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On 19/04/2024 at 16:56, [[P...] said:

I would wait with taper seroquel until your better from benzo wd symptoms as it will probably make them worse.

I just read someone saying that 50% of people in tolerance stabilize. The rest does not. I didn't. 

Hi there,

Arent we all at tolerance all the time? I mean, if you hold, if you taper, anything that is isnt updosing creates tolerance 

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3 minutes ago, [[D...] said:

Hi there,

Arent we all at tolerance all the time? I mean, if you hold, if you taper, anything that is isnt updosing creates tolerance 

Yes. I read somewhere that benzos only work for the two first months. Then they just holds withdrawal symptoms in there track.

Crazy drug.

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1 hour ago, [[P...] said:

Yes. I read somewhere that benzos only work for the two first months. Then they just holds withdrawal symptoms in there track.

Crazy drug.

Thats what i mean. Once you decide stop taking the drug, or at least not increase the dose you create tolerance withdrawal symptoms, and then you start tapering and bring those symptoms with you all the way to zero, sometimes beyond zero.

And what is even more crazy is that very often, people updose but those WD symptoms dont go away.

It seems designed by evil. 

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4 minutes ago, [[D...] said:

That's what I mean. Once you decide to stop taking the drug, or at least not increase the dose you create tolerance withdrawal symptoms, and then you start tapering and bring those symptoms with you all the way to zero, sometimes beyond zero.

And what is even more crazy is that very often, people updose but those WD symptoms don't go away.

It seems designed by evil. 

Yeah for sure. Pure evil.

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On 19/04/2024 at 23:31, [[C...] said:

I dont think those are weird symptoms. I have them and I am in tolerance withdrawal. Those are also symptoms of AD withdrawal. 

Personally, I think it's best to taper one drug at a time. I think that would be the benzo. 

Taper in fullblown Withdrawal without stabilization????

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On 18/04/2024 at 16:58, [[r...] said:

Please Hope don't let them send you on a wild goose chase while at the same time denying that shocking reduction that has been done to you. Most will not even acknowledge this massive reduction and just lab rat you with more and more meds. Be so so careful of this. 

No, my doctor understands totally. He dont wants that im doing a Cut before i stabilized. And he adviced me taper Seroquel in 3 % steps. This rate seems to be ok for me as i already reduced. But my biggest anxiety is that i will Not stabilize and everyone in groups tells me the only way would be to taper

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That is such good news Hope to have a doctor on the page. Just that alone can give you some peace of mind. There are some good ones out there and if you are lucky enough to find one then consider yourself blessed. So many including myself have had nightmares with the medical community with the denial of drug dysregulation of the nervous system. 

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Do you think it is really possible to stabilize in tolerance??? I reached Tolerance Last jear in September.....

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I don't know if the Person who made this long Post about Holding was in tolerance too... I'm so fu....ing scared 

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Tolerance is a tricky thing. Sometimes you are able to stabilize, but some can't stabilize in tolerance, but the good news is that when you start cutting you very much most likely will feel better and stabilize.  Once the brain starts rejecting the current dose you are on, you need to go DOWN and not up IMO. Otherwise you will just become a zombie. Doctors always want to UP UP UP dose when the drug starts to go toxic, tolerant. They are so lost. 

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Ok Hope I had to go back to see what was going on with your initial post. I have so many I am trying to help. YES you will stabilize I believe. You are not in tolerance, but reacting to that hard cut. You are in WITHDRAWAL not tolerance. And you are not far from that hard cut it seems. You are still new to this extreme cut. 

That crazy 6 week rapid taper to half is a lot of stress on your nervous system. Valium is weird in that it takes a bit for a cut like that to catch up to you. I don't usually recommend up dosing, but it may work. But it can be risky.

Look at  Peppe's posts. He was a mess vomiting  really bad  and now he is doing so much better. And YOU WILL TOO. 

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Thank you so much for your help.

Yes, i am in tolerance and now in Withdrawal on top. The Valium stopped definitly working in September. And i got worse. That was the reason because i went to Hospital. Sadly im really in tolerance... Thats why i'm so scared.

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Do you think i should start to taper? I will not up the dose. Im holding for 3 Months now and have minimal improvement. Im Just scared Withdrawal will get unbearable. I'm already disabled because of this crazy taper and the previous SSRI Withdrawal

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On 17/04/2024 at 20:23, [[H...] said:

Hello Buddies,

I'm in a real real Bad plache. I took 30 mg Valium for 1,5 jears und reached Tolerance. So my Doctor sended me to Hospital and they Cloud turkeyd my to 16 mg in 6 weeks. After 2 months the Withdrawal Hit me Like a bomb.

They added Seroquel in the morning in top to my Seroquel in the evening. I have disgusting Side effects from Seroquel

I already Had a CT from prozac 3 jears ago and Just started to heal. 

I'm really at the end of my rope, i can't do this again for 3 jears.

I'm holding for 2,5 Months now but have No improvement.

Please Help 😞

Halo from Poland my European Brother! 

BenzoBuddies are all over world ;)

First thing First try to do everything and I mean ALLES ;)! What You can to stay calm, try to cut all ties that are related to anxiety (not stress - anxiety). Despite this Your mind, Your brain will search for any real designate to attache to with anxiety and paranoia, when real designates will be no more in Your life it's get easier but... Your mind still will be searching and creating new one (for me now it's war despite I was NEVER afraid of it earlier!). I was down to 9 mg, than I got anxiety related to my company and again went back on 40 mg... Now I finally cut all ties with toxic ppl (in fact almost any ppl... only my Girl, mom and very close friends / coworkers). Sold my company, creating start-up which is much less stressful for me, preparing to MD studies (despite my age 34 YO) switching from tax law :D... 
The point is everything must be adjusted to You, not only the speed and dose in WD but also, food, mindset, and external environment, diet, lifestyle (f.e: exercise). I cut from 40 to 16, begun in 29.02, now slowing down, I will cut in 14 days or 1 mg in 7 or even longer time for stabilization.
And one more thing after 3 years of reading about Benzo, there is no easy answer, there are many contradiction answers and by no mean it's related to bad will of Buddies it's just so weird substance, that it's just creating - strangely - sometimes fairly different symptoms. I suppose it's just related to potentiate underlying symptoms which normally You would not notice, maybe it's related to gene expression, maybe to glutamate, maybe to... and so on... 
The journey is specific and unique for all of us. I was (I am) also poly addict throwing to the mix: Tianeptine (high doses), codeine, nicotine. 
I'm open to share my experiences. 

Alles gut aus Polen :)

Gute Nacht :) 

Longin
 
 

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