Quebec City mosque shooter was taking Paroxetine at the time of the murders

[[Fl...]]

Guns have been around forever but mass shootings have only been a problem for the past few decades. Why is that? Well, two things that immediately come to mind is the prevalence of fatherless homes and the advent of psych drugs. I don't think this explains the problem 100% but if divorce and prescription drug rates were to return to 1950's levels I would bet a lot of money that we would see a huge decline in mass shootings.

[[Ch...]]

Guns have been around forever but mass shootings have only been a problem for the past few decades. Why is that? Well, two things that immediately come to mind is the prevalence of fatherless homes and the advent of psych drugs. I don't think this explains the problem 100% but if divorce and prescription drug rates were to return to 1950's levels I would bet a lot of money that we would see a huge decline in mass shootings.

 

If weapons in the hands of civilians were to return to 1950s era capabilities, that would certainly make a difference, wouldn’t it.

 

Children exposed to domestic violence are more likely to become shooters. White males are most likely to become mass shooters.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602

 

[[Lo...]]

Guns have been around forever but mass shootings have only been a problem for the past few decades. Why is that? Well, two things that immediately come to mind is the prevalence of fatherless homes and the advent of psych drugs. I don't think this explains the problem 100% but if divorce and prescription drug rates were to return to 1950's levels I would bet a lot of money that we would see a huge decline in mass shootings.

 

If weapons in the hands of civilians were to return to 1950s era capabilities, that would certainly make a difference, wouldn’t it.

 

Children exposed to domestic violence are more likely to become shooters. White males are most likely to become mass shooters.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602

 

I don't see anything here other than unsubstantiated self-confirmation bias. I would expect you to put you thinking hats on and not just talk in sweeping generalizations. I am actually hurt by the callousness and frivolity of your responses.

[[Lo...]]

And since we are talking about Dr. Peter Breggin

 

https://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/NegativeBR/breggin.html

[[Lo...]]

Gun advocates, Scientologists look for drug links to shootings

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Gun-advocates-Scientologists-look-for-drug-links-4526557.php

[[La...]]

In this particular instance, it appears that many factors were at play. The details are just coming out now during the sentencing hearings, which are ongoing. We didn't know these things a year ago, immediately after the event took place. The shooter appears to have had issues with anxiety and depression, and he was concerned about terrorism and immigration as well. He had recently moved back in with his parents, because, in their words, he was "unstable".  He also had access to a gun, which is much less common here in Canada than it is in the U.S. From the articles I read, I couldn't tell if the appropriate checks had been done.

 

I'm guessing we may hear more over the next little while, so the picture may be further fleshed out.

[[Ch...]]

Point taken, LF.  Here’s another of many links that do not blame divorce per se, but parental obliviousness to danger signs: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/11/07/562387350/in-texas-and-beyond-mass-shootings-have-roots-in-domestic-violence

 

Mass shootings are a relatively new occurrence and most information at this point says there isn’t enough data to draw accurate conclusions about the perpetrators.  For these reasons it isn’t fair to blame divorce.  My parents were divorced, I am a single mother of two.  Amongst all of my family there has been no violence of any kind.

[[Rx...]]

I don't think the copycat aspect in any of these mass shootings should be overlooked.  A horrific trend of expressing rage.  :'(

 

Note:  My edit added "in any of these mass shootings".

[[Lo...]]

Point taken, LF.  Here’s another of many links that do not blame divorce per se, but parental obliviousness to danger signs: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/11/07/562387350/in-texas-and-beyond-mass-shootings-have-roots-in-domestic-violence

 

Mass shootings are a relatively new occurrence and most information at this point says there isn’t enough data to draw accurate conclusions about the perpetrators.  For these reasons it isn’t fair to blame divorce.  My parents were divorced, I am a single mother of two.  Amongst all of my family there has been no violence of any kind.

 

Thank you, Challis99 

[[La...]]

He stated that he thought he was preventing terrorism by shooting people at a mosque, so that brings up many questions around immigration, racism and Islamophobia. He had been looking at anti-immigration websites too and, during his interrogation, he mentioned fears of the kinds of terrorism that was taking place in Europe. As well, it was around the time of the Trump travel bans in the U.S. I can't tell whether he was under the care of any health professionals at all either or if he had anyone to talk to about his increasing fears.

 

The picture shows a combustible combination of factors involved here.

[Guest [Kp...]]

Guns have been around forever but mass shootings have only been a problem for the past few decades. Why is that? Well, two things that immediately come to mind is the prevalence of fatherless homes and the advent of psych drugs.

 

Guns are a good analogy for the gun lobby says guns don't kill people. Antidepressants too do not kill people FG.

 

Perhaps if we dismantle the several prisons in USA, we would have dismantled most of the crime? I can see that most criminals have been to prison at some time or the other in their lives.

 

Perhaps because USA has globally the maximum prisons and inmates per capita, it surely means there is more crime in USA than in, say, India?

 

Perhaps because psychotic people are inadvertently always on psychiatric drugs for treatment, psychiatric drugs make them homicidal?

[[La...]]

I'm not sure how that pertains to this individual case. It's a Canadian shooter at a mosque in Quebec City. It's a young man with no criminal past, staying with his two parents.

 

It would be good for people to read the stories that were posted at the beginning of this thread and, perhaps, not generalize. We're just learning the details about the background to this particular shooting, which took place more than one year ago.

[[Lo...]]

Guns have been around forever but mass shootings have only been a problem for the past few decades. Why is that? Well, two things that immediately come to mind is the prevalence of fatherless homes and the advent of psych drugs.

 

Guns are a good analogy for the gun lobby says guns don't kill people. Antidepressants too do not kill people FG.

 

Perhaps if we dismantle the several prisons in USA, we would have dismantled most of the crime? I can see that most criminals have been to prison at some time or the other in their lives.

 

Perhaps because USA has globally the maximum prisons and inmates per capita, it surely means there is more crime in USA than in, say, India?

 

Perhaps because psychotic people are inadvertently always on psychiatric drugs for treatment, psychiatric drugs make them homicidal?

 

And not to mention the link of guns and suicides, which is sadly overlooked. My next door neighboor was an NRA member, and had never hurt anyone. He owned several guns, and unfortunately took his own life with one of them. He was not on psychiatric medication. Had he not had those guns, he would have still been alive today..

 

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

[[La...]]

Here's another English-language newspaper article from yesterday -- The Montreal Gazette. While there's a mention of the antidepressant Bissonnette was taking in the first line of the article, the main focus is the anti-Muslim/fear of terrorism issue.

 

"'Anti-Muslim rhetoric' in media spurred Alexandre Bissonnette to kill, Quebec mosque president says"

 

Here's the first line:

 

Fixated on terrorist attacks around the world and taking anti-depressant medications, Bissonnette said it was a tweet from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promising to accept those refused by the United States that sent him over the edge. The day he saw that message, he took his gun into the mosque and started shooting “to save people from terrorist attacks,” he said.

 

http://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/anti-muslim-rhetoric-in-media-spurred-alexandre-bissonnette-to-kill-quebec-mosque-president-says

 

And this article from The Guardian highlights the same major theme, yet it, too, mentions the fact that he was taking medication:

 

"Canada mosque shooter says he was motivated by Trudeau welcoming refugees"

 

The man who shot and killed six men at a Canadian mosque told police that his attack was motivated by Justin Trudeau’s message of welcome to refugees following Donald Trump’s travel ban on seven Muslim-majority countries.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/13/canada-mosque-shooter-alexandre-bissonnette-trudeau-trump-refugees-travel-ban

 

And the UK's Independent covered it too:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/quebec-city-mosque-attacker-alexandre-bissonnette-justin-trudeau-refugees-last-straw-a8303801.html

[[...]]

I would rather take my chances with the odd crazy, than the tyranny of a state.

 

[[La...]]

It seems that the shooter had many guns and he was licensed to have them. I still don't understand how he was able to do so, based on the fact that he had some mental health issues that required him to be away from work.

 

"Quebec City mosque shooter Alexandre Bissonnette confessed during 911 call, court hears"

 

The operator also asked questions designed to keep the caller on the line, about his studies, books, chess, his job at Héma-Québec, the province’s blood agency, and the fact he once took the test to be a 911 operator. How did he come to own all those guns, anyway, Mr. Labrecque asked. Mr. Bissonnette was a licensed and trained legal firearm owner with the required gun club membership for his pistols, court heard.

 

Several times, Mr. Bissonnette said he would kill himself. Each time, the operator distracted him and kept him on the line.

 

The court also heard evidence on Thursday about the seizure of Mr. Bissonnette’s guns at his parents’ home: a shotgun, two rifles and a pistol.

 

Police also found a doctor’s note for sick leave from Héma-Québec. Mr. Bissonnette had been off work because of anxiety and was due back the next day.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-quebec-city-mosque-shooter-alexandre-bissonnette-confessed-during-91/

[[La...]]

I would rather take my chances with the odd crazy, than the tyranny of a state.

 

Hi lobo,

Can you please clarify what you mean?

[[...]]

Recreational nukes are cool.

[[La...]]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you explain, please? Is this about gun ownership? FYI, we have completely different laws, history and gun-related crime here in Canada. If it's about something else, then you've lost me completely.

[[...]]

It is about irony.

mostly lost.

[[La...]]

Yup. Guess so. Thanks.

[[Fl...]]

If weapons in the hands of civilians were to return to 1950s era capabilities, that would certainly make a difference, wouldn’t it.

 

Children exposed to domestic violence are more likely to become shooters. White males are most likely to become mass shooters.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602

 

Of course white males are to blame for every problem in the world, and since you personally are the product of a single parent home and you aren't a criminal that means that divorce isn't harmful to children. How silly of me.

 

Semi automatic weapons are hardly new technology, gun ownership in the US is declining and it is pretty well known that children who are raised without a father tend to do poorly. But that goes against The Narrative, therefore it should not be mentioned.

 

http://fathers.com/wp39/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/fatherlessInfographic.pdf

 

Boys are broken. Just put a band aid on it and hope it goes away, right? Kind of like taking a benzo instead of trying something like CBT that might actually address the root of the issue. Sounds like a solid plan.

[[Fl...]]

I don't see anything here other than unsubstantiated self-confirmation bias. I would expect you to put you thinking hats on and not just talk in sweeping generalizations. I am actually hurt by the callousness and frivolity of your responses.

 

Seems like a lot of these mass shooters are products of single parent homes and many (if not most) were on psych drugs.

 

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't be asking these questions? Cause that's all I was doing. I didn't claim anything to be fact.

 

By your logic everyone here on BB should "put their thinking hats on". Not a whole lot of scientific evidence that benzo withdrawal/damage exists. Most of what is posted here is unsubstantiated confirmation bias.

 

[[Lo...]]

I don't see anything here other than unsubstantiated self-confirmation bias. I would expect you to put you thinking hats on and not just talk in sweeping generalizations. I am actually hurt by the callousness and frivolity of your responses.

 

Seems like a lot of these mass shooters are products of single parent homes and many (if not most) were on psych drugs.

 

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't be asking these questions? Cause that's all I was doing. I didn't claim anything to be fact.

 

By your logic everyone here on BB should "put their thinking hats on". Not a whole lot of scientific evidence that benzo withdrawal/damage exists. Most of what is posted here is unsubstantiated confirmation bias.

 

Most what you posted is unsubstantiated confimation bias. The only resources you have ever provided to  claim your case is Robert Whitaker's "Anatomy of an Epidemic", (and Robert Whitaker is a journalist and not a doctor), as well as Dr. Peter Breggin, whose license is questionable (see the sources below). Can you prove to me that these psych drugs cause mass shootings? I'd love to read what you come up with.

 

As my therapist said, it comes down to underlying personalities. Some people are just more aggressive and violent by nature, psych drugs or not. I see that you are very angry about what happened to you, but who is to say that your problems were not caused by alcohol, for example?

 

Your posts dangerously border on anti-psychiatry, anti-medicine end. If you are so anti-medication, why did you take it in the first place?

 

Apparently, you have missed this piece, also, so I will re-post it.

 

https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/breggin.html

 

Breggin's Background

Peter R. Breggin, M.D., is a Harvard College graduate who obtained his medical degree from Case Western Reserve Medical School in 1962. After training in psychiatry at Harvard and State University of New York Upstate Medical Center (Syracuse), he worked for two years at the National Institute of Mental Health. Since 1968, he has practiced psychiatry in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area [14]. Breggin describes his private practice as "psychotherapy for individuals, couples, and families, including children," with "subspecialties" in "the adverse effects of medications, electroshock, and psychosurgery" and "forensic psychiatry and patient rights." [15] In 2002, his online resumé stated that he had testified as an expert in about 40 cases, many of which involved psychiatric drugs, FDA regulations, and product liability [15]. His 18 books, most written for the general public, attack psychosurgery, electroconvulsive therapy ("shock treatments"), Prozac, Ritalin, and the use of psychiatric drugs in general.

 

In 1972, Breggin founded The International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology (ICSPP), a nonprofit organization "concerned with the impact of mental health theory and practices upon individual well-being, personal freedom, and family and community values." [15] ICSPP's 2000 federal tax report states that its primary purpose is to gather and distribute information about the "hazards of bio-medical model of psychiatry." [16] Other information I found on the Internet states that ICSPP had one part time employee [17] and less than $25,000 in annual income throughout most of its existence [16]. Breggin also launched Ethical Human Sciences and Services, a journal that began publication in 1999. He is also been listed on the advisory board of Network Against Coercive Psychiatry, an anti-psychiatry organization whose home page asserts that the "mental health establishment has conned the American people."

 

Breggin's Web site states that he "has been informing the professions, media and the public about the potential dangers of drugs, electroshock, psychosurgery, involuntary treatment, and the biological theories of psychiatry for over three decades." [14] The back cover of his Ritalin Fact Book describes him as "the conscience of psychiatry." [12] I believe it would be more accurate to characterize him as a harmful nuisance whose views can undermine trust in the medical profession and frighten people away from helpful treatment.

 

A Bit of Puffery?

Breggin's resumé and other biographical reports describe him as a Diplomate of the National Board of Medical Examiners; a "Specialist in Psychiatry" recognized by the State of Maryland, Department of Mental Health and Hygiene, Board of Physician Quality Assurance; a Diplomate of the American Board of Forensic Medicine; and a Fellow of the American College of Forensic Examiners. He also states that he is (or has been) on the editorial board of six peer-reviewed journals and has published more than 25 articles in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Although these accomplishments might sound impressive, they actually are much less than they might seem.

 

Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.

Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled to call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996, the Maryland Board of Quality Assurance maintained a list of "identified" specialists. Anyone who completed an approved training program was eligible for listing. No special examination or additional qualifications were required.

To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate" of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have seen do not list this credential.

The American Board of Forensic Examiners is not recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which is the recognized standard-setting organization. ABMS offers subspecialty certification in forensic psychiatry and forensic pathology, neither of which Breggin has achieved.

Only one of the six journals with which Breggin has been affiliated is significant enough to be listed in MEDLINE, the National Library of Medicine's principal online database.

On September 5, 2002, I found that Breggin had 33 citations listed in MEDLINE. None of these publications appears to be a research report. Eight were letters to the editor, two were books, and most of the rest were expressions of his opinion on various psychiatric topics.

[Guest [Kp...]]

It seems it is neither guns, nor drugs, nor single parents that turns the brain against itself and its universe:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-brain-on-trial/308520/

 

The Brain on Trial

Advances in brain science are calling into question the volition behind many criminal acts. A leading neuroscientist describes how the foundations of our criminal-justice system are beginning to crumble, and proposes a new way forward for law and order.