[Sa...] Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 well if it was up to my i would sbstitute with Valium but no one will help me i cant get valium i will read up about titration because i have no idea what that means Thanks At the top of the screen hit "BenzoGuide" then hit "Methods". Scroll down and you will see an explanation on titration. http://www.benzobuddies.org/buddiesguide/methods Sandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 thanks Sandy i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 6, 2007 Author Share Posted November 6, 2007 everyday for months i would have daily withdrawal at first i had no idea that i was going through withdrawal i couldnt understand why i couldnt think or stand up or y my eyes would hurt so much y my head would hurt so much and why i had terrible stomach pains or y i couldnt sleep if i knew any of this i would have never takin the first pill i wish i never took them at all I still cant believe the dr wont help me get off Im just so worried about everything will i always feel like this will i have a seizure i hope not Thanks to everyone here u guys make me feel better and give me hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 9, 2007 Author Share Posted November 9, 2007 ive just been toughing it out and taking .5 a day until i can find a doctor to help me taper withdrawal everyday though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ta...] Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Hi Joey, I hope your cold goes away soon. It's no fun when it's "mixed" with w/d. If you decide to titrate lorazepam and not switch to klonopin or valium, we can help you. I do it every day and it's really not a big deal. You would need a cylinder and a syringe, that's all. That may be easier on you, if you can't get a dr to give you valium. Try to stabilize daily dose first, though. Hang in there Joey. Tanya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 ive just been toughing it out and taking .5 a day until i can find a doctor to help me taper withdrawal everyday though Hi Joey, I'm sorry you're having a rough time with your doctor. I also had to find a new doctor to help me taper as mine totally abandonded me when I told him I wanted to stop taking Ativan. I had horrible w/d's when I cut my dose in half and he thought that I should be fine. It took me a few weeks, but I found a new doctor who switched me to valium and I tapered down. My old doctor didn't have a problem writing prescriptions for 60 Ativan at a time, but flat out refused to switch me to Valium. He said it was "more addictive" than Ativan. Yeah, right. Anyway, please be careful with cutting your dose in half and also in the shout box it says you haven't taken it for two days. Ativan has a very short half life to begin with, let alone cutting it out completely, and you could have some crazy withdrawals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sa...] Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 and you could have some crazy withdrawals. She's not kidding! Please be careful. Sandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 10, 2007 Author Share Posted November 10, 2007 i know i went 5 days without ativan i thought i was going krazy i coldnt stand up i couldnt see i couldnt think i had weird thoughts my head was killllling me then i found this site helped so much same my doctor keeps give me 60 lorazepam with as many refils as i want but when i asked him 2 help me taper he said no keep taking more 2day a new dr set me up with a schedule 2 taper but only using Lorazepam 2weeks .5 am .5 pm 2weeks .25 am .25 pm 2weeks .25 pm then done i will try at least hes helping and i have a lot of extra pills in case i wanna go slower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Co...] Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Hi Joey, That taper is rather fast. What is the smallest dose you can manage from your Lorazepam tablets (how small will the divide)? I suggest, at the very least, that after the two weeks of taking two 0.5mg doses per day (1mg per day in total), spend two weeks at 0.25mg three times per day (0.75mg per day in total). Also, consider allowing more time between the cuts. Most people would find that rate of withdrawal too quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 10, 2007 Author Share Posted November 10, 2007 i know ur right but at least its something and i dont have 2 go cold turkey i know it seems fast but its some hope he doesnt want to use valium i think this will work ill go 1mg 2 weeks .75 2 weeks thanks 4 pointing this out .5 2 weeks .25 2 weeks then i will take .25 when nec if nec tha small cut i can make is .25 i dont understand titration or the materials needed 2much work and thinking will a pill cutter work on a small .5 chalky tablet? if so where can i buy a pill cutter if this plan doesnt work ill get another dr or this dr said i can take longer if nec hes a good guy pysciatrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Hi again Joey, I agree with Colin, that's a super fast taper. I was on .5mgs of Ativan and switched to 5 mgs. Valium and it took me 5 months to taper from that dose. You're on double the amount I was. You can try a pill cutter to cut it in half. I got my pill cutter in the local pharmacy but I found I got a better cut when I used a razor blade or knife (not serrated). When I tapered Valium, I would crush a half a pill between waxed paper with the back of a spoon and then divide it with a razor blade. I took whatever dose I needed in powder and dumped the rest. You could try it with the Ativan. The pills are really tiny and it would be hard to cut them really small. What if you took the taper slower by cutting a .5 pill in half to get .25, then crush .25 (half of the .5 pill) and divide that powder into two piles and one of those piles would equal .125? You could then step down by .125 (which would equal 1/4 of a .5 pill) and it would look like this: Start: 1 mg .875 2 weeks .75 2 weeks .625 2 weeks .5 2 weeks .375 2 weeks .25 2 weeks .125 2 weeks 0 Colin, I apologize in advance if I'm over-stepping here with this post. I'm not a moderator but I wanted to help if I could. That said, Joey I would still try to get the Valium. From my experience, it was so much smoother than when I cut Ativan directly. HTH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Co...] Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Colin, I apologize in advance if I'm over-stepping here with this post. I'm not a moderator but I wanted to help if I could. Hi Shellzer, I guess we need to make it a lot clearer of how BBo operates. Members should be helping each other, making useful suggestions, giving support and help with tapers. Your post was all of those things! We don't operate a top-down approach. I will be posting something about the different roles of members and the team, and what we should expect from each other. What I will say now is that the primary role of the team is to provide an environment where people can support each other with their benzodiazepine withdrawal. It is not about telling telling members what they must do. Keep doing what you do, Shellzer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 thanks shellzer i appricate and acept advice from anyone here were all a team and id hope we all have good intentions thanks they wont give me valium i will try the one my dr set up with colin's addition of .75 if it is too fast i will move to shellzer's plan i have a lot of pills now im not worried i will go at whateva pace works and feels best thanks again for both of ur help means tha world 2 me thanks 4 ur support i will start 2moro ill keep u posted in tha last 10 days i have only taken 4mgs so even starting at .5 am .5pm is a step up i will not suffer withdrawal needlessly i will try the one my dr set up with colin's addition of .75 if it is too fast i will move to shellzer's plan so 4get tha pill cutter just use a razor blade??? i can buy them at the drug store or what? Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 or depending on how much each 1mg pill weighs i may b able 2 use my old digital marijuana scale to make smaller more accurature cuts for shellzer's plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Keep doing what you do, Shellzer! Thanks Colin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 thanks shellzer i appricate and acept advice from anyone here were all a team and id hope we all have good intentions thanks they wont give me valium i will try the one my dr set up with colin's addition of .75 if it is too fast i will move to shellzer's plan i have a lot of pills now im not worried i will go at whateva pace works and feels best thanks again for both of ur help means tha world 2 me thanks 4 ur support i will start 2moro ill keep u posted in tha last 10 days i have only taken 4mgs so even starting at .5 am .5pm is a step up i will not suffer withdrawal needlessly i will try the one my dr set up with colin's addition of .75 if it is too fast i will move to shellzer's plan so 4get tha pill cutter just use a razor blade??? i can buy them at the drug store or what? Thanks again Sounds like a good plan, Joey. I wish you well. I got a pack of razor blades in a hardware store in the paint isle. People use them for scraping paint off of windows. I'm sure if you look around, they shouldn't be hard to find. You can try a pill cutter, but honestly it didn't work as well for me. The pills would shift a little in it and the cuts wouldn't be equally divided in half. If you use a razor blade or knife, try to cut straight down to keep the cut even. Do it on waxed paper so you don't lose any. Do you have .5 mg pills? I was on the .5 pills. Isn't it sad that we have to resort to such measures just to safely come off of a medicine our doctors gave us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Co...] Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 A safer option than a razor blade is to obtain a craft knife from an art supply shop. I would carefully line up the knife on the pill, and then, with the other hand, place over the top a paper towl to capture the two pieces, as that are likely to shoot out (especially with harder pills). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 shellzer ur right its so sad that this is what its come to just 2 get off medicine a trusted dr would give me i still wish i neva took tha first pill i have 46 1 mg pills and my new dr gave me 30 .5mg pills so i should have enough to do my plan or ur plan wit a few extra just in case i will head to the hardware store 2moro and go get tha wax paper i made a calender schedule to plan and keep track and will start on monday thanks again 4 all tha help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 advil for my migranes and lorazepam are ok 2 take in the same day right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 shellzer had did u cut the .5 they are so small and there is no line in tha middle i got tha pills i bought the razor i bought the wax paper but how can i b sure i m cutting them right in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 There's no line in the middle? Mine had a line and I would cut along that line. I know it's hard to dry cut those little pills. I cut them in half to take .25 AM and .25 PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 shellzer what country do u live in? advil and lorazepam r ok right? such a small pill controlling my life still cant get over that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I'm in the US. Advil is a pain reliever, right? I've never used it. I used ibuprophen during my taper with no problems but I've heard of some people complain that OTC pain relievers caused withdrawals to act up. I know how you feel about the meds controlling your life. I felt so trapped and resented taking every dose of Ativan and Valium until I finished my taper. I hated it. I was so angry at my doctor for prescribing it and never warning me what would happen. And then he abandoned me on top of it. The coward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 im in canada advil is ibuprophen same xpeience no 1 told me anything some days id take 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 whatevea i felt like the dr just keep feeding them 2 me when i asked him 2 taper he told me to take MORE i wish i neva took the first one although for the first 2 months it really did help me do alot of things but now im so mad i dont even want to take the pills to taper i will though i have 2 to quit i have 2 take more why prescribe it in tha first place i wish i could go back in time and just live with my anixty and agoraphobia without pills o well at least there is hope now and i will b off them soon thanks 4 everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Hey guys im back thanks for everyones help i have quit lorazepam and due to tapering the withdrawl was not so bad i couldnt come on here because reading and thinking about benzos made me want to take them SOme problems though since quitting lorazepam i m back to smoking marijuana daily i will smoke 5 grams a day the lorazepam had made me quit marijuana and i felt good also the weed makes my anxity sooo bad also i constantly feel the urge to take lorazepam or clonazepam i have 200 pills left its like i always want to b tranquilized im too afraid to take ativan or clonazepam incase i cant get any more my anxiety and insomnia are sooo bad the dr gave me trazodone but i refuse to take anti depressants also i really dont want to smoke weed but i find myself needing to take something i really dont know what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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