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[[Be...]]

Sleepless,

Very sorry today is crapola and sleep is still problem. I don't know if sleep specialist would be able to help or not, given this may all be drug related. Just sending you best wishes for some relief.

 

Bennie

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Hi Bennie-

 

Yes, had a sleep study as well.  I've been a big mystery in the medical community where I live... Seen over 10 docs and specialists.  Praying every day this isn't a permanent glitch my brain has created.  My mirtazipine is only buying me 1-5 hours sleep and the last few nights have been horrible!  Ive been awake since 2am after a few hours sleep.  Just impossible to fall asleep with this crap!  So tired. Hope you all are doing well, considering. 

 

Sleeplessmt

[[Be...]]

Sleepless!

I was awakened by rain and rare T storms at 2 AM. I also have not been back to sleep since. In these instances, I go low blood sugar and have to eat something.  Helps to rest with eyes closed, if not sleeping. Eeking out as much zzz as possible.

 

Hang tight, Bennie

 

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Hello jumpers, I came by for a visit and most or all if yiu won't know me except dearest and most loved Saga  Saga, you are the warmest nicest bravest person I have ever met  I cone and read a lot of posts but I don't post much these days  I jumped from benzos about 18 months ago  I have had my doubts of full recover but I gotta say I am truly getting better and better every day  it happens so slowly I truly don't notice but I do know that I am healing  I exercise and relax and I eat ridiculously clean  it's all about the Vegatables, fruits and good fats fir me and that seems to be working well  I fall off my diet and then I feel horrible  I jump back on and I always feel better  I gotta admit I think a lot of this is mind over matter  and it's all in our thoughts of hiw we care about ours selves  take care of you and don't feel guilty fir it  you will have time to help others after you are well  be nice to you  live yourself even if it's only fir the strength of putting yourself here  if you continue on this path I believe you will reap the rewards of a happier drug free life but it sure takes a long time but who cares we git tge rest of our lives to get healthy and better  the ulturnative to this is to be drugged and not feeling life at all  that's no life at least not to me it's not  life is getting better fir me  it really is  I wrote a success story ages ago knowing that I wasn't through withdrawal but what I did know is I would never go back to that life  I woukd take what ever came my way and I am living proof that it has worked fir me  was it work  yup huge work  still is every day and probably will be every day but I look forward to my future and believe it will get better and that alone is a requirement fir a happy life  I wish you all a wondeffuly life a head of you  hugs and kisses  and og yeah  hi saga.,I miss you and think of you lots 

[[Be...]]

I am grateful to hear people recover because it gives me hope and a general yardstick to judge my recovery although I'm told that I shouldn't compare. No matter my equally whistle clean, highly nutritious diet, I still have blood sugar issues from the HPA gone wacky in withdrawal. Mind over matter won't solve low blood sugar, the racing heart, messed up periods, or sleep problems despite good sleep hygiene. Positivity helps, certain practices help but essentially I think recovering is a matter of time, not mind over matter.

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I am grateful to hear people recover because it gives me hope and a general yardstick to judge my recovery although I'm told that I shouldn't compare. No matter my equally whistle clean, highly nutritious diet, I still have blood sugar issues from the HPA gone wacky in withdrawal. Mind over matter won't solve low blood sugar, the racing heart, messed up periods, or sleep problems despite good sleep hygiene. Positivity helps, certain practices help but essentially I think recovering is a matter of time, not mind over matter.

I believe that as long as there are sleep issues, the body can't repair properly and symptoms will remain.

Going thru wd almost always causes severe sleep issues and sleep is the only time the body can repair.

All psych meds interfere with REM and slow wave sleep.

[[Be...]]

I am grateful to hear people recover because it gives me hope and a general yardstick to judge my recovery although I'm told that I shouldn't compare. No matter my equally whistle clean, highly nutritious diet, I still have blood sugar issues from the HPA gone wacky in withdrawal. Mind over matter won't solve low blood sugar, the racing heart, messed up periods, or sleep problems despite good sleep hygiene. Positivity helps, certain practices help but essentially I think recovering is a matter of time, not mind over matter.

I believe that as long as there are sleep issues, the body can't repair properly and symptoms will remain.

Going thru wd almost always causes severe sleep issues and sleep is the only time the body can repair.

All psych meds interfere with REM and slow wave sleep.

 

I need sleep badly. Yet, I do believe our body repairs itself at other times of the day as well.

[[Sa...]]

OMG Gonna  I am thrilled to see you stop in here omg you have no idea I have the biggest smile on my face and tears in my eyes! You lovely I have missed you huge hugs to you :hug: I wish I had more clarity this morning because I could on and on chatting to you! You sound great Gonna!!!!! That makes me so so happy I'd better dial it back on the emoticons or you won't be able to read this, lol.

 

One of the things I love most about you is that you totally understand this is a long term outlook and big picture thinking  as another longterm user you understood from the start this was going to be a battle and the importance of working constantly working on the mind body connection and I so admire the way you went out and attacked things from the start. You know this is a work in progress and you helped me so much well I know we all helped each other through the absolute worst of this ages and ages ago it seems now doesn't it.

 

Yes I still keep a clean diet as well honestly I'm afraid to change it up, lol it can't hurt and the exercise has helped enormously I've found once I was able to do it one line well several lines you wrote just jumped out at me as always you get to the heart of the matter Gonna! This is a worthy battle and I know it's been a lot of hard work a huge effort - indeed it has been. On the worst days I remind myself as I'm sure you do this didn't happen overnight and it won't resolve overnight either. We are  however well into this recovery Gonna....all we need to do is keep going. I hope this isn't a mess of a message Gonna I'm not thinking very clearly this morning  but honestly I couldn't wait until my head cleared to try sending all kinds of love back to you :smitten:

 

Hey guys I'm running out of time here but I'm going to say we absolutely do continue to heal even if sleep is crap. Otherwise I'd have seen little to no progress and that's simply not the case I talk to a few others in the same time frame as me and none of us have had great sleep but all of us are healing...a little slower than we'd like but healing just the same

 

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Hi from me too, Gonna!  So lovely to see you again!    It's always so nice when one of the original Jumpers takes the time to drop in with a little progress report, and to give hope to the newbies.  You've come so far and you're sounding so good and so positive and still out there fighting the good fight.  Much love to you and wishing you only continued good healing!  Hope you'll keep updating us all. 

 

Bennie, regarding Gonna's "mind over matter" comment, there was a lot of context left out of that obviously, but knowing a little of her history, I understand what she's saying and how she applied it to her individual recovery.  From past experience with a Hellish AD withdrawal, I truly believe we can use the mind in some powerful ways to combat, say, anxiety and/or depression.  I've also been able to rid myself 100% from blinding migraines, using visualization meditations for instance.  And I've used a meditation technique each and every night for years in order to fall asleep (due to the 24/7 discomfort of my rocky boat sx).  Now!  That said!  I know exactly what you're saying about the physical things running amok.  Believe me, I wish in my case - with my awful set of physical sxs - How I wish I could get that to work for me now too.  And trust me, I've tried, I've tried ... even doing some very woo-woo things.    Sucks!  Hugs to you, Bennie. 

 

Love to everyone else too, wishing you all better sleep and continued healing! 

 

Oh, and a special hug from me too to the beautiful Saga, love you, woman.    Had to throw in the My Baby, haven't used it for a while.  Oh, I just saw it's actually the Hey Babe, lol! 

 

 

 

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OMG Gonna  I am thrilled to see you stop in here omg you have no idea I have the biggest smile on my face and tears in my eyes! You lovely I have missed you huge hugs to you :hug: I wish I had more clarity this morning because I could on and on chatting to you! You sound great Gonna!!!!! That makes me so so happy I'd better dial it back on the emoticons or you won't be able to read this, lol.

 

One of the things I love most about you is that you totally understand this is a long term outlook and big picture thinking  as another longterm user you understood from the start this was going to be a battle and the importance of working constantly working on the mind body connection and I so admire the way you went out and attacked things from the start. You know this is a work in progress and you helped me so much well I know we all helped each other through the absolute worst of this ages and ages ago it seems now doesn't it.

 

Yes I still keep a clean diet as well honestly I'm afraid to change it up, lol it can't hurt and the exercise has helped enormously I've found once I was able to do it one line well several lines you wrote just jumped out at me as always you get to the heart of the matter Gonna! This is a worthy battle and I know it's been a lot of hard work a huge effort - indeed it has been. On the worst days I remind myself as I'm sure you do this didn't happen overnight and it won't resolve overnight either. We are  however well into this recovery Gonna....all we need to do is keep going. I hope this isn't a mess of a message Gonna I'm not thinking very clearly this morning  but honestly I couldn't wait until my head cleared to try sending all kinds of love back to you :smitten:

 

 

 

Oh Saga... how I miss chatting with you more than anybody.  Because you said it perfectly... this is a very long process.  This process is for the rest of our lives.  Though we were bombarded with horrible, horrible drugs we have to learn to take care of ourselves and to read our body.  I'm so glad you were finally able to exercise because I believe that is a huge key to reclaiming our brains.  I read once that it is better for our brains to fast walk than run.  Our brain and our body for that matter regrows cells best when we are moving quickly vs slowly.  I believe it and I know you believe in it as well.  I know we both took very similar paths with a few alterations.  I so miss you!  If I was asked what famous person would I like to meet, I'd have to say Saga23 and just smile.  You really are one of my most cherished people on this site.  I have no idea but you always have a way of making me smile.  I really hope some day I get to meet you. 

 

Well, Here an update.  I was off on two much needed sun holidays... Mexico and Cuba for a week each.  The weather was wonderful and the beach and ocean, I just couldn't get enough of.  I gotta admit I drank alcohol and because of all the sun (Happy vitamin) it didn't affect me... until I got home... then I fell down for a bit but I got right back on the horse and I'm feeling pretty darn good but I'm not gonna touch alcohol for a long, long time. 

 

I gotta say... i so wish I could hug you someway some how... but I can't.  :'(

 

Till we chat again 

 

I hope the rest of you are having some good to go with your day someway some how.  I know how horrible this nightmare is and I never want to go that was again.  I wish I could hug everyone here.  Please try to take it as easy as you can.  Don't be hard on yourself. Let time take it's course.... and keep taking lots of deep slow breaths. 

[[Sa...]]

You know I'm just staring at the screen tryng to come up with the right words and there is simply no way to put this into words or convey the amount of love and emotion I feel. I'm so grateful so incredibly grateful we all met each other you know? It's one of those intangibles and true gifts in life. We met under the most daunting of circumstances and continue to carry each other through this long long road. On a bright note one of the things that stands out for me now in terms of recovery is the sheer depth of feeling I'm capable of experiencing which is a fairly recent development and one I know will continue to improve after years of emotional numbness.  I don't mind putting it out there because it is momentous for me. So yeah I guess I'm continuing the love fest here  just had to try spitting that all out even if it didn't make any sense that's ok I think we all understand! The jumpers thread has been been special to me from the start because of the people and the bonds we've made. Big huge hugs

 

Gonna oh I am so jelly those vacations sound absolutely divine  it is about the long look back now isn't it? Comparing where we were and what we can do. I have no doubt there is a long learning curve involved in anything we do going forward I'm sorry you've had a little setback by doing a little too much.  That's all part of recovery and I'm sure our CNS will adjust with time. We are incredibly sensitive to all kinds of things! Live and learn you know there is a balance we all have to find! Exercise diet outside stressors all of it plays a huge role! Just keep going the way you've been because you sound amazing and please keep stopping in to give us all hope!  I hope Big stops in soon I know the last time she said she was close to writing her success story and I couldn't be more excited

 

Omg my gorgeous abcd  you are killing me simply killing me with these inside plays  I almost spewed at the screen....well played MB well played  and there's a hey babe back at you, lol, we'll just let everyone keep guessing ok? Who knew we could have so much fun amidst all the flat out suffering...we have to keep throwing up pleas for an end to this physical crap. Our turn is coming and can it hurry up already

 

Alright I spent way too much time trying to make some sense this morning... I keep saying that but it's true mornings are not my best....much much love to everyone and the biggest of hugs 

 

[[Be...]]

I'm in Saga's afterglow and feeling the love 

Thank you. Thanks everyone.

Bennie

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Bennie   

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Good morning jumpers

 

I see that abc is here too.  Hope your doing as well as you expect or better.  Now that woykd be lovely.  I do muss my interaction and wonderful caring help and concern here.  If the rest of the world was lie this place, none of us would have been sent down the drugged rabbit hole in the first place.

 

I see I offended someone with the mind over matter statement and I'm truly sorry.  What I really meant is that your mind and body will do horrible things to you and you must bend your mind to say yup this is so but I will pull through each day and go to the next.  I will love myself no matter what and I will try to be goid to myself and do whatever changes I can bit by bit in order to get better.  As my name says I'm gonna win eventually.  That's the mind over matter I meant.  This is hard as he'll and I'm not gonna sugar coat any of it but I will not surrender.  I'm really sorry if I upset anyone.   

[[Be...]]

Hii gonnawin—

Nope, not offended... I like your bear's waving flag. Makes me happy. I need more HAPPY! 

 

I really do need more happy because after a semi-decent night of sleep for the first time in ?? there was a SNAFU at 7 AM at the lab for a blood draw. And then traffic. Aaargh. Really trying to exorcise the bad attitude, though it did prompt my husband to clean the toilets before I bit off his head. 

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

[[mr...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

[[Be...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

 

So try eating carbs and protein separately? Are you doing anything for a congested Liver? Is that a methylation thing, or toxicity thing?

[[mr...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

 

So try eating carbs and protein separately? Are you doing anything for a congested Liver? Is that a methylation thing, or toxicity thing?

No, it is a congested or fatty liver problem.

Eat carbs separate from fat and protein.

[[Be...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

 

So try eating carbs and protein separately? Are you doing anything for a congested Liver? Is that a methylation thing, or toxicity thing?

No, it is a congested or fatty liver problem.

Eat carbs separate from fat and protein.

OK. Eat these things separately.

I've had test for my liver. I think I'd know if there was a fatty liver problem, no?

[[mr...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

 

So try eating carbs and protein separately? Are you doing anything for a congested Liver? Is that a methylation thing, or toxicity thing?

No, it is a congested or fatty liver problem.

Eat carbs separate from fat and protein.

OK. Eat these things separately.

I've had test for my liver. I think I'd know if there was a fatty liver problem, no?

By the time someone has fatty liver detectable by scans and blood work, they have some serious issues.

Congested liver doesn't show up on any scan.

I had panic and anxiety attacks until I went low carb.

[[Be...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

 

So try eating carbs and protein separately? Are you doing anything for a congested Liver? Is that a methylation thing, or toxicity thing?

No, it is a congested or fatty liver problem.

Eat carbs separate from fat and protein.

OK. Eat these things separately.

I've had test for my liver. I think I'd know if there was a fatty liver problem, no?

By the time someone has fatty liver detectable by scans and blood work, they have some serious issues.

Congested liver doesn't show up on any scan.

I had panic and anxiety attacks until I went low carb.

 

If I went any lower carb, I'd be no carb.  well, I'm gonna watch this and see what's what. I may be creeping out of acute still so I could rack it up to this. Maybe. Thanks.

[[mr...]]

 

Anyone know what the deal is with getting racing heart and anxiety after eating breakfast? I was thinking, maybe too much B vitamins from eggs, or ??

 

I'm glad so many people are seeing gradual improvements, and sorry for the suffering that continues.

 

Wishing everyone a good day,

Bennie

Mixing carbohydrates with fat or protein will cause it in a congested liver.

Hope the sleep continues to improve.

 

So try eating carbs and protein separately? Are you doing anything for a congested Liver? Is that a methylation thing, or toxicity thing?

No, it is a congested or fatty liver problem.

Eat carbs separate from fat and protein.

OK. Eat these things separately.

I've had test for my liver. I think I'd know if there was a fatty liver problem, no?

By the time someone has fatty liver detectable by scans and blood work, they have some serious issues.

Congested liver doesn't show up on any scan.

I had panic and anxiety attacks until I went low carb.

 

If I went any lower carb, I'd be no carb.  well, I'm gonna watch this and see what's what. I may be creeping out of acute still so I could rack it up to this. Maybe. Thanks.

Hi Bennie,

Yes, it can definitely be from wd, a wave or congested liver while in wd.

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Bennie, Green juices...lettuce, cucumber, basil, nopales...(I had to put pinepapple but I did not, it increased my sweating) first thing in the Morning were good for me, for detoxing my liver...I used to have hot flashes after eating, specially breakfast...if breakfast was very heavy, I was sweating like crazy before even finishing them. Lots of water after every meal helped me as well...actually I am not sure, I had a weird obsession for drinking water.

It was my doctor who told me liver gets a bit upset in wd, just as Mrtmeo is saying.

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Bennie - HAHAHA  now I'm smiling and laughing.  My bear waving the flag is actually a Beaver holding the Canadian flag.  Beavers are a national symbol of Canada

 

[[Sa...]]

 

I'm laughing too and I've needed one the last few days  not at your expense Bennie I seriously thought that was a bear as well guess I do need new glasses sooner rather than later.... That and I need to brush up on my Canadien knowledge 

 

 

This is a quick one to say congrats to Elle and Grinch happy 13 months! I know you're both out there  and I'm thinking of you and wishing you both well    and a very belated apology to Kiddo imagine my embarrassment to find out I completely missed the 6 month mark....oh let's just say by a few days 6 months is a HUGE milestone. Kiddo I love you and I couldn't be more proud of you

 

Love to everyone