[je...] Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Please, we need someone to draw attention to this hell! I will support in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[pa...] Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 general public deserves more than just an attention. they should be warned about these poisons. have heard that some people do not experience or only with minor side effects, but great number of people also experience a "hell" that no once could possibly understand. stealing someones personality, soul, intelligence, cognition, and life time experience is just a pure devil's intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ne...] Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 This is worth reading.. Damaged Brains A Warning for Mental Health Professionals Peter Wilberg HEALTH WARNING: your clients’ symptoms may be effects of the legally prescribed drugs that are or have been used to ‘treat’ them. Recent decades have seen an enormous rise in the number of people treated with psychopharmaceutical medications - all of which have a direct effect on brain functioning. Such medications include: Antidepressants Anxiolytics (for treating anxiety, sleep problems and panic attacks) Neuroleptics (for treating so-called psychotic symptoms) Stimulants (used on an increasing scale to treat children and adults with socalled behaviour disorders such as Attention Deficit Disorder) What is not so well known is that many of the psychological and somatic symptoms treated by counsellors and psychotherapists, physicians and psychiatrists are a direct result of taking or having taken medications of these sorts. Symptoms such as depression, anxiety, sleep disturbances panic attacks, phobias, compulsions, mania, poor concentration, loss of affect, suicidal thoughts and psychotic episodes are all recognised by pharmaceutical themselves companies themselves as potential effects of the very medications designed to treat them. According the psychiatrist Peter Breggin, health practitioners now confront a hidden epidemic of iatrogenic (medically caused) psychical and somatic illness resulting from short or long-term chemical disruption of brain functioning. The adverse effects of psychopharmaceutical medications, both acute and chronic, include: · intended effects (for example the mind-numbing depression of brain functioning and the dulling of thought and emotion induced by neuroleptics). · paradoxical effects (the accentuation of the very symptoms which the drugs were prescribed to treat, such as panic attacks induced by anxiolytics). · physiological side effects (ranging from respiratory, cardiac, gastrointestinal problems to long-term brain and liver damage, peripheral nerve damage, sexual dysfunction, weight gain, chronic fatigue or dyskinesia (uncontrolled Parkinsonian-type movements). · psychological side effects (symptoms of mania, depression, panic attacks, psychotic episodes, suicidal ideation etc. of a sort not previously experienced by the individual at any time before taking the medications). · withdrawal effects (acute or chronic psychological and physiological effects experienced when coming off prescribed medications). · tolerance effects (needing ever-increasing dosages of the same drug to simply to avoid acute and frightening withdrawal effects). · short and long-term dependency (addiction as a result of tolerance and withdrawal effects). There is a tendency to interpret even the most dangerous physiological sideeffects - if reported - merely as symptoms of a patient’s psychological disorder. Cardiac symptoms, for example, may be interpreted as ‘anxiety’ symptoms, rather than the other way round. As a result, patients with genuine cardiac problems may remain medically untested and untreated until they suffer a serious heart attack. Many social workers, nurses, counsellors, psychotherapists and alternative health practitioners however, still believe that the use and efficacy of psychopharmaceutical drugs is scientifically proven. The medical myth has it that mental disorders such as ‘depression’ are caused by biochemical imbalances in the brain.. Not only has there never been any scientific evidence of this whatsoever, it is actually not technically possible to measure the levels of neurotransmitters in the synapses between brain cells. The hypothesis of an original ‘chemical imbalance’ was arrived at by arguing backwards from the supposedly therapeutic effects of drugs designed to chemically influence the release or reuptake of particular neurotransmitters - thereby altering their respective levels in the brain, even though the latter cannot be directly measured. Thus whilst there is no evidence that such drugs correct imbalances in the brain, they can be chemically guaranteed to cause them - artificially elevating or depressing neurotransmitter levels in a way that may affect not only mood, but all body’s most basic regulatory systems. The principal ‘evidence’ for the therapeutic efficacy of psychopharmaceutical medications comes from short-term clinically controlled studies comparing the effects of an active drug with that of an inactive or ‘inert’ placebo. In most cases, the difference between the drug and placebo thought necessary to scientifically ‘prove’ the efficacy of the former is minimal. But comparing the effects of any active drug with an inert placebo is, as Breggin points out, misleading in itself. This is because the active drug may have its own type of placebo effect – giving the patient a felt sense of a drug’s power by virtue of its felt effects, however subtle. As Grohol points out “the double-blind placebo controlled study is not blind. Side effects are so obvious that more than 80% of the patients know whether they are on active medication or placebo, patients are equally accurate about other patients on the ward, and nurses and other personnel are privy as well. In some studies the only people who claim to be blind are the prescribing physicians, and in other studies the prescribing physicians admit being as aware of the patients' condition as everyone else.” Even with active placebos “the empirical data show that medication effect sizes are hard to distinguish from the placebo. Also not mentioned is that most antidepressant medications habituate, and the patients' symptoms return. Most patients believe they would feel even worse if they were not taking their medication.” Grohol goes on to question the use of clinician-rated rather than patientrated measures of ‘improvement’ in such trials, noting that “If patients cannot tell that they are better off in a controlled study, one must question the conventional wisdom about the efficacy of antidepressant drugs.” One of the main arguments in favour of the use of anti-depressants is suicide and violence prevention. How is it then, that several studies have shown an actual increase in suicide rates in those taking anti-depressants? How is that otherwise sober and responsible individuals with no history of violence or severe personality disorder can, within a few day or weeks fall victim to violent or suicidal impulses, even to the point of committing murder or suicide? One reason is the stimulant effect of the new Prozactype antidepressants or Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs). The artificially elevated serotonin levels they are designed to induce can result not only in mild euphoria but manic states or psychotic syndromes similar to those produced by illegal amphetamines. Alternatively, they may, in the first few days of usage result in an unnatural depression of serotonin levels as the brain tries to compensate for an artificially induced chemical imbalance. In both cases the drug has brought about a form of organic brain dysfunction of the very sort assumed, without evidence, to be responsible for the patient’s symptoms. Another argument for the use of antidepressants is their ‘efficacy’ for many people. No thought is given however, as to the reasons why such drugs are felt or deemed to be ‘effective’. Breggin points out that “A patient typically is rendered unable to stay depressed during an episode of organic brain dysfunction, because depression requires a relatively intact brain and mind. Rendered either apathetic or artificially euphoric by brain dysfunction, the patient is evaluated as ‘improved’.” “What psychiatrists call ‘depression’ – lethargy, apathy, nervousness, hopelessness, helplessness and unhappiness – is a serious problem often unrecognised as drug-related. Because of their depressant and debilitating effect, psychiatric drugs can make people feel so bad they want to kill themselves.” Caligari SSRI’s such as paroxetine (Seroxat/Paxil) and Prozac may be authorised for use by patients over many years on the basis of clinical trials lasting from only 6 to 10 weeks. GlaxoSmithKline, whose sales of Seroxat/Paxil were valued at over one and a half billion pounds in 2000, continue aggressive marketing of the drug to doctors, with 100 millions prescriptions given annually. This despite the fact that their own staff reported trial patients showing significant withdrawal symptoms of agitation and insomnia after only a short period on the drug – which now leads the list the World Health Organisation list of pharmaceuticals reported by doctors cause acute withdrawal problems. GSK leaflet accompanying prescriptions still tell the patient that “you cannot become addicted to Seroxat.” No distinction is made between dependency of the sort comparable to an addicts cravings for tobacco or heroine, and addiction based purely on the need avoid acute physical or psychological withdrawal symptoms. The information leaflet for Seroxat also includes the following words: “Occasionally, the symptoms of depression may include thoughts of harming yourself or committing suicide. Until the full antidepressant effect of your medication becomes apparent it is possible that these symptoms may increase in the first few weeks of treatment.” The tone is soothing. But in June 2001, GSK were forced to pay out $6.4 million in damages to the family of a man who killed his wife, daughter, granddaughter and then himself after only two days on Seroxat. In contrast to the SSRIs, most neuroleptic drugs or ‘anti-psychotics’, together with the minor and major tranquillizers, work by dulling and depressing brain activity through a wide range of different neurotransmitters including dopamine and GABA. The artificially-induced elevation or depression of mood brought on by the elevation or depression of different neurotransmitters in the brain, may have dramatic effects when the drug is withdrawn – either producing a dramatic ‘rebound’ elevation of neurotransmitter levels or leaving the brain incapable of generating normal neurotransmitter levels by itself. Breggin cites a typical example of withdrawal syndrome: “Recently one of my patients, a young man in his twenties, was trying to taper off small doses of Elavil prescribed by another physician…within a day or two of complete withdrawal he began to feel ill. It seemed exactly like the flu. He felt lethargic and his muscles ached, He lacked appetite, felt sick to his stomach, and vomited in the morning. Despite his tiredness he had trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. He felt increasing anxiety as well. A complete physical examination by an internist revealed no evidence of an infection, and I was forced to conclude that he had a typical flu-like withdrawal syndrome. He gradually recovered over a few weeks, vomiting for the last time about a month after ending the medication.” Not all are so ‘lucky’ as this patient. Countless harrowing stories by those who became unknowingly dependent on highly-addictive benzodiazepine tranquillizers and sleeping pills, or so-called ‘non-addictive’ antidepressants, bear testament to the years or even decades of hell suffered in the attempt to withdraw from these drugs, and/or of the permanent postwithdrawal symptoms they still suffer. With one out of four people in the UK thought to be suffering from a diagnosable mental disorder, the number of prescription of anti-depressants and anxiolytics is vast. As long ago as 1984, it was reported by Professor Malcom Lader that 11.2 percent of all adults took a benzodiazepine for anxiety or sleeping problems in any one year. “Even at a conservative estimate, 20% of these will develop symptoms when they attempt to withdraw. That means a quarter of a million people in the UK. It is now estimated that one and a half million people in the UK alone are chronically addicted to benzodiazepine anxiolytics such as diazepam (Valium) and lorazepam (Ativan). All the drugs in this class can induce dependency in a matter of days through suppressing the brain’s natural production of anxiety- and stress-reducing neurotransmitters. Yet they account for 50% of global sales of psychopharmaceutical medications. "The biggest drug-addiction problem in the world doesn't involve heroin, cocaine or marijuana. In fact, it doesn't involve an illegal drug at all. The world's biggest drug-addiction problem is posed by a group of drugs, the benzodiazepines, which are widely prescribed by doctors and taken by countless millions of perfectly ordinary people around the world... Drugaddiction experts claim that getting people off the benzodiazepines is more difficult than getting addicts off heroin... For several years now pressuregroups have been fighting to help addicted individuals break free from their pharmacological chains. But the fight has been a forlorn one. As fast as one individual breaks free from one of the benzodiazepines another patient somewhere else becomes addicted. I believe that the main reason for this is that doctors are addicted to prescribing benzodiazepines just as much as patients are hooked on taking them.” Vernon Coleman, Life Without Tranquillizers The sheer scale of the problem with psychopharmaceutical medications becomes clear if we consider that probably 75% or more of so-called ‘adverse reactions’, including withdrawal symptoms and withdrawal syndromes, may be unreported. Worse still, they may be unrecognised as such by patients themselves, interpreted as signs of endogenous psychological disorders by physicians or psychotherapists, and/or treated by prescriptions of further psychiatric drugs. In an attempt to deal with recognised side-effects of these drugs, many psychiatrists and psychiatric health clinics around the world now regularly prescribe whole ‘cocktails’ of anti-depressant, neuroleptic and anxiolytic medications in the hope that they will chemically counter-balance each other’s inherently toxic and unbalancing effects on brain functioning. At the same time pharmaceutical companies such as GSK are inventing ever new ‘disorders’ which can be ‘treated’ by drugs such as paroxetine. As well as ‘panic disorder’, ‘obsessive compulsive disorder’ the list now includes ‘post-traumatic stress disorder’ and ‘social anxiety disorder’ and ‘attention deficit disorder’. But like standard DSM psychiatric designations such as ‘bipolar disorder’, ‘personality disorder’, these new ‘disorders’ terms seem to possess the authority of medical diagnoses – implying the existence of specific disease entities with an organic basis. In fact they are merely convenient labels for clusters of troublesome symptoms or behaviours that society has a problem understanding and responding to. Biological psychiatry is founded on a flat denial that there is any meaning in ‘mental illness’ – that in a sick society there may be good reasons why a person feels anxious, depressed, disturbed, divided or driven to compulsive behaviours. Health is defined only as the ability to ‘function’ normally as an employee – to cheerfully play one’s part in sustaining a market economy in which all human relations are geared solely to commodity production and profit making. As a result, medicine and psychiatry have both become tools of the ‘therapeutic state’ - their sole aim being to control all bodily behavioural symptoms of the distress and dis-ease engendered by a sick society, reducing them instead to some manageable disease or psychiatric disorder that can be ‘managed’ with the help of drugs - thereby turning them into a lucrative source of corporate profit. Authoritarian psychiatry is now being legitimised by governments all over the world through legislation, which denies mental patients the right to refuse medication and permits their enforced detention and drug ‘treatment’. Given the enormous attention given by politicians and the media to the problems caused by illegal drugs and drug addiction, the failure by governments and health services to recognise the scale of addiction to legally prescribed drugs and the dangers of their adverse effects is hypocritical to say the least – amounting to a form of wilful ignorance. It is all the more important then, that social workers, mental health nurses, counsellors, psychotherapists and alternative health practitioners do not fall into the trap that so many orthodox physicians and psychiatrists have fallen into – that of accepting the medical and marketing myths perpetuated by pharmaceutical companies regarding the ‘benefits’ of psychiatric medications. Above all it is important that they: · obtain precise details of any client’s present or past use, not only of illegal drugs but of legally prescribed medications, including the names of these medications and the length of time over which they were or have been taken. · educate themselves in the adverse effects, addictive potentials and withdrawal symptoms of specific anxiolytic, anti-depressant and neuroleptic medications. Thankfully, use of the internet now allows any patient or professional to quickly obtain information regarding specific drugs and drug types, as well as being host to many websites set up to support patients suffering from adverse reactions or dependency on such drugs, to inform health professionals of their dangers, to advise both patients and practitioners on safe methods of withdrawal, or simply to provide a forum in which users can share with each other the often horrifying experiences they have had of particular medications and their debilitating or life-destroying effects. Recommended sites www.benzo.org.uk info. on benzodiazepines www.antidepressantfacts.com www.Breggin.com excellent articles by Peter Breggin www.pssg.org for Prozac survivors www.antipsychiatry.org the case against biopsychiatry www.april.org.uk on adverse drug reactions) www.mindfreedom.org supporting patients Recommended Reading · Peter R. Breggin Toxic Psychiatry · Breggin / Cohen Your Drug May be Your Problem · Joan E.Gadsby Addiction by Prescription · Heather Jones Prisoner on Prescription · David Smail The Nature of Unhappiness · Dr Ann Tracy Prozac - Panacea or Pandora References Fisher, S., & Greenberg, R.P. (1993). How sounds is the double-blind design for evaluating psychotropic drugs? The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 181, 345-350. Greenberg, R.P., Bornstein, R.F., Greenberg, M.D., & Fisher, S. (1992). A meta-analysis of antidepressant outcome under "blinder" conditions. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 60, 664-669 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [ma...] Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Here is the link to the article posted below by New Life if anyone is interested http://www.thenewyoga.org/damaged_brains.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ne...] Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Talk about books....here is one that will curl your hair. Joan E.Gadsby Addiction by Prescription Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [ma...] Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Talk about books....here is one that will curl your hair. Joan E.Gadsby Addiction by Prescription Yes she is from BC. She is a great advocate. Spent years engaged in legal battles that cost millions and was not successful but I applaud her for trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ma...] Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 It would be wonderful Parker, if you could write a book. There is no doubt that more info needs to get out there, & you are a great writer & rigorous investigator! But only you -can determine when your health can allow you to embark on such an undertaking -without detriment to your own life, well being, & recovery. Information for a book could be gathered slowly, when your heath permitted, & could be done in stages, & w/ help from others. Seems to be 3 main target groups.. 1] those suffering from benzos that need help & info, 2] the general public & 3] medical profession- both of which need to be warned about the dangers of long term prescription, & need to know how to identify & help others who are on, or trying to get off benzos. Learn what a very serious condition Benzo tolerance & WD can be. There may be a 4th group -of person's suffering greatly from unknown, or little understood conditions, who could benefit from all that benzo sufferers have gone through & learned. Coping skills, supports systems, faith, information, tolerance, endurance, love .. To bring "Benzo Withdrawal" out of the shadows of "common drug use & withdrawal", I would love to see a book that emphasized -right off the bat- the wide scope of people this prescription drug has inadvertantly effected- eg- a lot of Ordinary People! Maybe short annonomous history blips of the different folks here, like, "52yr old bussiness man, w/ loving family & no history of drug abuse or mental illness.. or "A healthy 45yr old mother of 3, a teacher involved in her community".... "25 yr old student & athlete, ... as well as those who have sufferent mental, physical & drug problems as well. Show the scope. I appreciate all the info you have already provided to all of us here, your willingness to look at all angles, & your generous heart in supporting others & offering encouragement ... you are one amazing woman! I for one, am grateful for your presence & being. Whatever you decide to do, I know you will get support from many here, who also appreciate all you have given -& continue to give! Keep us posted, & feel free to run any outline ideas you may have! Thanks again for everything you do! Hugs, margaretisabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Su...] Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Dear Parker, Thank you for writing about Zinc, omega 3, magnesium and Pyroluria. Knowing that you have gone through this before me is comforting and is helping me so much!!!!! :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Co...] Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Parker, hello I am also writing a book on this as well and it will share my story. Good luck in your journey and maybe we can chat about how we might be able to help one another. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ne...] Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Me too!...working with a health journalist at the moment..would be interesting to collaborate..NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Up...] Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Ugh I just read this whole text and got so pissed I'm sorry about my language but I hope Parker you'll write the book and MAKE THEM BURN IN HELL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Te...] Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 JUST DO IT, PARKER!!!!! We would all be so thankful. You are a dynamic writer. I hope that all this validation spurs your forward!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Ya know, writing a book is really hard and it takes a really long time. And, when you're done, it might not get published. And, if it gets published, maybe nobody will read it. UNLESS, you are a well-recognized, accomplished author. If you want to get the word out, (and I think I might do this myself) you need to get an accomplished science writer interested in the topic. Better yet, try to get an accomplished television personality, like a Diane Sawyer, interested. I used to be in commercial public relations, so I know a little about this. You need to find out who the assignment editor is for, say, 60 Minutes, or whatever show you think would be appropriate. Then, you write a "pitch" to that person and sell your idea for the story. It helps if you can give them hard facts and numbers and sources they can talk to for the story. This is the best way to get the word out. When I get a little more energy and focus, I may do this myself. If writing a book will help you, by all means, go for it. It's a great endeavor, even if it doesn't get published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[be...] Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Yes Parker, I agree, I think it is in you to start on the book now. You have the intelligence and you speak from the heart, I also think it would be therapeutic. #1 Best- seller!!!! Go ahead...do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [Mi...] Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Please write the book! Parker, your posts have been so helpful. A book would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[pr...] Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Ya know, writing a book is really hard and it takes a really long time. And, when you're done, it might not get published. And, if it gets published, maybe nobody will read it. UNLESS, you are a well-recognized, accomplished author. If you want to get the word out, (and I think I might do this myself) you need to get an accomplished science writer interested in the topic. Better yet, try to get an accomplished television personality, like a Diane Sawyer, interested. I used to be in commercial public relations, so I know a little about this. You need to find out who the assignment editor is for, say, 60 Minutes, or whatever show you think would be appropriate. Then, you write a "pitch" to that person and sell your idea for the story. It helps if you can give them hard facts and numbers and sources they can talk to for the story. This is the best way to get the word out. When I get a little more energy and focus, I may do this myself. If writing a book will help you, by all means, go for it. It's a great endeavor, even if it doesn't get published. yeah a science writer would be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bk...] Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I like your idea, have thought about it myself, unfortunately its hard for me to write. I Think k it would be great, you could give a lot of hope to so many people. I have been reading memoirs from people "like us" and they help. We need someone and that would be you letting people know what is happening to so many people. Good luck to you, kay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Hopefully this endeavor can become a textbook for educating the medical community and be attached to the FRONT of the diagnostic manual and mandated that GABA suppression be ruled out before any diagnostic conclusions are reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [Mi...] Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Hopefully this endeavor can become a textbook for educating the medical community and be attached to the FRONT of the diagnostic manual and mandated that GABA suppression be ruled out before any diagnostic conclusions are reached. That would have saved me 30 years of hell! Please write the book. You have our full support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ye...] Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Hi pARKER, I'm brand new to the sight and would love to have any new insights ASAP. I've been on Temazapam for almost i year + and also some anti depressants which I have weaned off of. I am down to almost 6mg of Temaz... and would love to just drop cold turkey for the rest of the way, but I'm trying to be patient. Staying busy, excercise and eating well I know are important. However, the most important I know is trusting God because I've felt so guilty during this whole time, even though I know God loves me and wants me well. Yes, please right a book. I've thought of that too but I'm not off yet. Also, read that taking your dose during the day would help so that you won't wake up so often during the night. Have you ever heard of this? Thanks for being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 6mg of Temaz... and would love to just drop cold turkey for the rest of the way, but I'm trying to be patient. Staying busy, excercise and eating well I know are important. However, the most important I know is trusting God because I've felt so guilty during this whole time, even though I know God loves me and wants me well. Hi yb, I know the feeling, safe to say many do, of the wanting to "jump-ship" as soon as possible, but, PLEASE, don't. Patience is your best bud right now. That and God. I mean it's a good quality to cultivate during this ordeal....patience that is. And by the way - Welcome to BB! This comes to mind, might not be the right place to share, buuuuuut................. ".....but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us." Rom 5:3-5 I, too, trust in the One who is faithfully helping all throughout this entire ordeal, for each their best. Don't listen to the one who is whispering "guilty-nothings" into your ear. Because that's all they are NOTHING and he's a liar. This is a battle for the courageous and nothing less than that. grace & peace eli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[be...] Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 if you DO write the book i'm hoping you'd leave any references to god out of it. just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[je...] Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 if you DO write the book i'm hoping you'd leave any references to god out of it. just my opinion. Really?? Its her book and her experience, and her faith in God has played a big part in that--she can do whatever she wants IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[be...] Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 what about the rest of us who are doing it on our own without god? maybe we shouldn't buy the book. and how many years has she been contemplating this book ? i guess god doesn't want her to write it. and why are you taking only MY head off ? there are countless others in this thread who would prefer that god be left out as well....too bad jim jones didn't write a book about god and his own experience with drugs. i'm sure it would have been an interesting read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[je...] Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Wow..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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