"Failed" attempt a diazepam withdrawal

[[Ja...]]

Good luck

Stay positive

Don't feel pressured to do 1mg per month

Do a sxs based taper

I am planning for 5 mg in 500 days

I need to stay functional

That 1mg deduction in 3 mos and 10 days

My doc is cautious bc he saw me in late December and how I was

He told me not to go faster at all.

Everyone is different. Getting liquid today and starting Saturday

diazPam I might need some assistance!

It's 5mg- 5 ml so he said don't dilute in water but not sure if I can get it right otherwise. Getting syringes too. Yuk I feel so gross like a drug addict!!!

Positive thinking listening to dharma talks.. Check out josh Korda and against the stream dharma punx

Very helpful stuff. And the insight timer app brilliant for meditation. Lots of Brits on there!

My husband is a Brit but I am living in america. Good news is that you guys have good medical care that's affordable!! Good luck

[[gr...]]

Think I need to get a 100 ml syringe.

 

Filled up 2 jars there now and the water level wasn't the same in both.

 

Assuming that we only go down 2 ml a time I'm assuming it's pretty critical!

 

I'm gonna try 0.02 mugs to start and see how I go. Maybe go slower after 3 mgs. Who knows!

 

And yeah I was standing in the kitchen there now and felt like a junkie.

 

Suppose it will just take some getting used to.

 

There was lots of bits left in the solution but I think this is just the make up of the tablet?

 

If I touch base each week do I just do it on this thread or start another one?

 

Cheers

 

Sean

[[Di...]]

 

diazPam I might need some assistance!

It's 5mg- 5 ml so he said don't dilute in water but not sure if I can get it right otherwise. Getting syringes too. Yuk I feel so gross like a drug addict!!!

Positive thinking listening to dharma talks.. Check out josh Korda and against the stream dharma punx

Very helpful stuff. And the insight timer app brilliant for meditation. Lots of Brits on there!

My husband is a Brit but I am living in america. Good news is that you guys have good medical care that's affordable!! Good luck

 

This will definitely be a case of what the doctor doesn't know won't hurt him. You will have to mix the LV with water, otherwise it is just too hard to measure those tiny increment cuts you want to do each day. Don't worry about diluting with water. Everyone does it, and in fact some brands actually tell you to dilute before using.

 

Don't feel bad about getting the syringes. Lots of people need syringes for all sorts of things - insulin, childrens' medication, even medication for pets. If you feel you need to give a reason when you go into the pharmacy just say you need it for your cat/dog medicine. No one ever looked sideways at me when I bought mine.

[[Di...]]

Think I need to get a 100 ml syringe.

 

Filled up 2 jars there now and the water level wasn't the same in both.

 

Assuming that we only go down 2 ml a time I'm assuming it's pretty critical!

 

I'm gonna try 0.02 mugs to start and see how I go. Maybe go slower after 3 mgs. Who knows!

 

And yeah I was standing in the kitchen there now and felt like a junkie.

 

Suppose it will just take some getting used to.

 

There was lots of bits left in the solution but I think this is just the make up of the tablet?

 

If I touch base each week do I just do it on this thread or start another one?

 

Cheers

 

Sean

 

You do need to start out with the right amount (eg 100ml if that's what you're using). You can get a 100ml syringe, but you could also just do 10 fills of the 10ml syringe. I always used my kitchen scales as it weighed in mls too, but it's really just the same as grams. As inaccurate as kitchen scales may sound, it was actually very accurate. I tested it numerous times with the 10ml syringe and it was always spot on. I would fill the glass jar with a jug up to around 90ml and then just use the syringe for the last little bit so I didn't go over the 100ml.

 

The bits of tablets that are left are just the binders/fillers. Don't worry about them. They won't dissolve.

 

You can keep using this thread if you want to. It might be best to do that because then you'll have all your information in the one place.

[[me...]]

Looks like you're getting some great advice. So helpful that your doctor is at least "letting" you do this, and willing to supply the meds. I would be very reticent about adding new meds for sleeping issues, unless it gets to the point you can't function. They can really mess you up (Ambien, Remeron, Lunesta, Seroquel etc...) and be as bad or worse than benzos for withdrawal. I think things will settle down for you in a few days. So give it a bit of time before looking into other drugs, even some of the supplements. If you try melatonin, use a small dose (like 1mg.) to start, as it can go paradoxical on you and keep you awake (does that for me).

 

If you absolutely have to have something for sleep, probably the mildest drug other than OTC stuff, would be something like amitryptiline or trazadone. They are very sedating. I obviously have quite a bit of experience with amitryptiline, and it is a bit difficult to get off of after using it for a long time. But a very low dose (like 10 mg.) for a short period shouldn't be too bad.

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GrillPan: Yes, I think you can succeed in withdrawing from Clonazepam. Don't go too fast and forge friendships here on BB and you'll be able to give it a 'go.' You are definitely NOT a failure in your attempts...rather, you're still learning. Good luck in your endeavors. 

[[gr...]]

Couple final questions

 

(1) I wake up in the morning a bit pensive sort of asking myself "do I feel ok"? Does this pass with general acceptance that you're on a long slow taper? Or are you always aware that you're on this journey and its in the back of your mind all the time?

 

(2) I gave a couple of social events coming up that I'm dreading a bit. One bring my girlfriends birthday next weekend. I'm assuming alcohol is a big no no? I'm not a big drinker anymore and would only have about 3-4 drinks but I'm wary even of doing that. I didn't drink for 6 months before but wasn't very social.

 

Guess I still just feel that this has taken over my life.

 

Hopefully in a week or two I'll relax into it and try to stop seeing it as the monkey on my back.

 

Cheers

 

S

[[Di...]]

If it were me, I wouldn't drink any alcohol at all. 

 

 

[[Ja...]]

With liquid Valium its ok to dilute with water correct?

I have the Roxane solution

Just wanted to double check

Still waiting for syringes from my doc

I am at 5mg

500 day taper

Should I get 1ml syringe or larger? I have 5ml syringe too

So confused

[[bu...]]

With liquid Valium its ok to dilute with water correct?

I have the Roxane solution

Just wanted to double check

Still waiting for syringes from my doc

I am at 5mg

500 day taper

Should I get 1ml syringe or larger? I have 5ml syringe too

So confused

 

  I think I have already answered you, but...

The label on the Roxane Diazepam Oral Solution says "Dilute before using..."  Water is fine.  You could use fruit juice, soft drink, etc if you preferred, but for stability and freshness, I would definitely recommend water.

 

You will need a 1ml and 10ml syringe.  A 50-60ml syringe and a 100ml graduated cylinder can be helpful, but is certainly not necessary.

 

Relax, it's really very simple.

[[Di...]]

Couple final questions

 

(1) I wake up in the morning a bit pensive sort of asking myself "do I feel ok"? Does this pass with general acceptance that you're on a long slow taper? Or are you always aware that you're on this journey and its in the back of your mind all the time?

 

I think you will get used to the process and it will just become a part of life – like brushing your teeth. It will always be in the back of your mind of course, but you will adapt, especially as you find that the liquid taper will be allowing you to function much better on a daily basis.

 

(2) I gave a couple of social events coming up that I'm dreading a bit. One bring my girlfriends birthday next weekend. I'm assuming alcohol is a big no no? I'm not a big drinker anymore and would only have about 3-4 drinks but I'm wary even of doing that. I didn't drink for 6 months before but wasn't very social.

 

A lot of people find it’s better to avoid alcohol altogether. I would often have a glass of white wine and it never affected me, but I’m not a drinker anyway, so not having it never bothered me anyway.

 

Maybe it’s a bit easier for women to avoid alcohol when socialising because we can always say we’re on a diet or something, and for women alcohol drinking isn’t as much of a “cultural” thing. Men are possibly more judgemental of another man not drinking anything, especially beer, but you need to do what’s right for you. Maybe one beer or a glass of wine might not hurt you. Why not try having one at home in the lead up to the party and see how it makes you feel.

 

Guess I still just feel that this has taken over my life.

 

Hopefully in a week or two I'll relax into it and try to stop seeing it as the monkey on my back.

 

Cheers

 

S

 

You will. This is all something really new for you, but we adapt to new things really quickly. Just keep looking at the end result of being totally benzo free.

 

[[Di...]]

With liquid Valium its ok to dilute with water correct?

I have the Roxane solution

Just wanted to double check

Still waiting for syringes from my doc

I am at 5mg

500 day taper

Should I get 1ml syringe or larger? I have 5ml syringe too

So confused

 

Have you checked for responses to your posts on the daily microtapering thread? A lot of your questions have been answered there.

 

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=135284.msg2022539#msg2022539

 

[[gr...]]

Well I'm Irish so it's a given that you must drink!

 

I went out last night an had 6 drinks.

 

If anything I feel better for it today. Maybe a wee pressure release!

 

But I won't get cocky!

 

Making my solutions now in batches of 5.

 

Just need a 100 ml syringe and I'm all set.

 

I'll keep you posted.

 

CHEER

 

Sean.

[[Ja...]]

Thanks Builder

I have the cvs sticker not the manufacturing one and in it it doesn't mention dilution

I know I am making this sooo much harder

TraumatiZed from my fast taper and cold turkey

I have to order the syringes etc on line and will proceed

Thank you sorry to be so annoying!! Argh

[[gr...]]

Jackson1,

 

Think this is called passing it forward.

 

You sound as if you area  week behind me in things.

 

5 days a go i thought my life was over and feel overwhelmed and hopeless.

 

Its only taken me a few days to settle into the daily taper and its really very easy.

 

Obviously i wish i didn't have to do it but anything that gives you hope is a good thing.

 

And yes i felt like a complete crackhead standing in the kitchen with my syringes and my girlfriend looking at me like a weirdo.

 

But you just have to listen to teh people on here.

 

The most crucial thing i think now is to "give in" to the fact that this isn't going to be fixed over night.

 

It will take as long as it takes.

 

Just get started and see how you go!!

 

Cheers

 

S

[[gr...]]

Just touching base people.

 

I have maintained my 0.02 mg reduction each day and will be onto 3.68mgs tonight.

 

I have had no noticeable effects so far.

 

feel a bit anxious for about an hour first thing in the morning but generally after that I'm fine.

 

I have had broken sleep this last few nights but have been drinking caffeine each of those days.

 

Hadn't drunk any before that so im going to give it a few days off it.

 

And when i say broken i mean i wake up for about 1/2 hr and then get back to sleep so still getting about 7 hrs.

 

This was how my sleep pattern was before i went on anything 3 years ago!!

 

The weirdiest thing is I have started to dream again!!

 

This is very welcome as the dreams are interesting and disturbing!

 

So should i stick where I'm at and continue with the 0.02 mgs per day?

 

I'm back to see my doctor on the 11th March.

 

Hope everyone is doing good and fighting the good fight!

 

Cheers

 

Sean

[[Ja...]]

Sounds like you are doing great

I wouldn't mess w anything if it's working

For me Valium creeps up on you like 2.5 wks later is when I would feel a hit

I am taking 5mg and started my liquid taper four days ago..

I am doing it crazy slow like 100 days to deduct 1mg bc I c/t and kindled accidentally and have other health issues

From what I have read slower the better

I need to remain functional

So far so good

I feel better since dropping my dose even four days ago.. I take remeron too for sleep once I was in c/t and didn't know it I needed something

I kind of wish I wasn't on anything but I think it's saving me right now and the lesser of the evils

Keep going!

[[me...]]

That is fantastic! Don't mess with success. Anyone on the insomnia forum would kill for that kind of sleep 

[[Ja...]]

Seriously!!

That's amazing some ppl can sleep fine while tapering!!

The remeron is helping me sleep from like 11-6 right now so I can't complAin...

In c/t it was zero!

[[gr...]]

Hi there.

 

Need some advice.

 

I'm going on a stag weekend to London this weekend and I'm a bit nervous.

 

I know I have to control my drinking and I'm taking 3.5 mgs each night for the weekend.

 

Any words of inspiration?

 

Cheers

 

G

[[gr...]]

So night one was pretty grim. I just didn't drink and took a lot of abuse for not doing so. Being Irish and being on a stag do means you are expected to drink heavily. Thankfully I had a friend with me who doesn't drink so hung out with him.

 

Sleep 6 hrs and then dozed again.

 

Have felt pretty anxious the whole time and I don't know whether it is withdrawal or the expectation that I need to drink.

 

I also have a head cold which is making things a lot harder. I know I'll get through this but I just don't want to be here which makes me quite sad.

 

Also my tinnitus is through the roof at the minute. Wish it would go away!

 

S

[[gr...]]

Really could do with some advice people.

 

Feel low and not sure if it's the cold, or anxiety, or withdrawing too quick.

 

This weekend has been a shock to the system!

 

S

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Hi G-Pan,

 

I just stumbled across this thread and saw that no one got back to you.  Stress ABSOLUTELY can ramp up side effects during taper. You are quite a bit ahead of me as you can see by reading my signature. There  have been plenty of times where I have let my mind wander into stressful situations and fixated on them. The result has been anything from missed breaths, to small chest pains, to belly grumbling. Amazingly, as soon as I realized I was fixating on the negative, and began to breathe deeply, the side effects subsided. It's amazing how intertwined the mind and body truly are. 

 

Sometimes you need to be a little bit selfish during this period of time. If your friends can't handle you not drinking, it's their problem not yours. Your health (mental and physical) are paramount right now. Don't let the expectations of others take priority over this fact.

 

Keep pushing on. You'll gain a tremendous sense of value as you progress through this crucible.

 

All the Best,

Edzo

[[gr...]]

Many thanks for your reply.

 

Suppouse it was ambitious to expect to taper off without any anxiety.

 

G

[[ed...]]

Absolutely!  You sound like a relatively young guy with stag parties and what not (mid 20s to mid 30s).  I understand the expectations that come along with that age bracket. It was my late twenties when I first began to realize I was an alcoholic (I'm in no way implying you are).  I probably prolonged the agony associated with repeated alcohol withdrawal several years because I caved into the social expectations of that age bracket. I was simply more concerned with the perception of others than I was concerned about my own well being. This was a mistake. I know it's easier said than done, but forget about what others think about you. Your real friends will still be your friends after this ordeal. In fact, it's a nice way to filter out who your true friends are!

 

Everyone has their own degree of anxiety associated with their taper/withdrawal. Some get off the hook completely--you usually won't find them here. Most of us are on here because we suffer to varying degrees and this serves as a wonderful support system.  That's not a sign of weakness, but a sign that you and I and everyone here is cognizant of the fact that THIS ISN'T EASY.  But if you take your time, eat right, and develop coping mechanisms for the tough spots, you'll do this.

 

By the way, I've spent 3 weeks in each of the past two summers in Ireland. What a beautiful country! Dublin is nice, but to me, the country's true beauty begins beyond the city limits.

 

Keep on keeping on,

Edzo

 

P.S. I know I was having a tough time when I initially replied (yesterday?) as my response was rife with grammatical errors. I went back and edited those errors.