Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group

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So confused about the language you are using. So is milk okay and accurate?  That's what I was taught and I don't understand what Nova is saying though I appreciate her help. I put the pills in milk--shake and let sit for 15 minutes then shake and stir again about 20 times  I was told that would distribute it evenly.

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So confused about the language you are using. So is milk okay and accurate?  That's what I was taught and I don't understand what Nova is saying though I appreciate her help. I put the pills in milk--shake and let sit for 15 minutes then shake and stir again about 20 times  I was told that would distribute it evenly.

 

Using whole milk with K pills is well established and I would not worry about that.  You have the dissolving wafers and I am not sure what is different about those, but I would think they are even better than the pill form since they dissolve when they are put into water, which is the major ingredient in milk.

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Anecdotally, we are confident that K and V dissolve in milk, as they are fat-soluble and it has worked over and over for people.  I've searched exhaustively for hard proof and quantified values of their solubility, but have been unable to find it.

Hi SG  Liza's are '''Disolvable''  Klopnopin not regular ones that's why I've said she don't need to put hers in milk just plain water as it then goes in to solution anyway rather than trying to make a suspension when there's absolutely no need to do so

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

Right, but that is the tab, isn't it?  K is K and it is barely soluble in water.  I think the tab will dissolve, but not the K.

      Hmm? good thinking Batman  I would ask my pharmacist but Klonopin is never prescribed in UK to my knowledge but its a biggie in USA , and I'm not ringing a USA pharmacist from Wales it'll cost me a Mortgage  .

 

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  Hang five my good man  I just read *some*  this and they use a solvent in oral Dissolving Tablets for the reason that not all drugs are water soluble. And have to depend on  saliva, also these type of drugs become weaker if their taken like a non soluble via the gut rather than in the mouth. So from what I can gather by what I read then they should be water soluble as they undergo treatment first. Have  peruse at it old chap, see what you think

 

Fast Dissolving Tablet: An Overview http://jocpr.com/first-issue/JOCPR-14.pdf

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

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Thanks SG

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Klonopin is well absorbed from the mouth.  Orally dissolvable pills simply release the klonopin in your mouth for direct absorption.  Klonopin is still not soluble in water.

 

Some info on sublingual absorption here:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3684331/

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Well, I guess there are many ways to make oral disintegrating wafers.  As usual, when you dig into something, there is more to it than you would think.  Some of these methods do dissolve the drug first so I'd say with these, it is at least feasible that it may stay in solution when put into water if the solvent is miscible with water.  Other methods simply carry the drug as a solid, so in these, the drug would not dissolve in water.  This was a really good find, Nova!

 

 

Important Patented Technologies for Fast Dissolving Tablets

1. Zydis Technology :

Zydis  formulation  is  a  unique  freeze  dried  tablet  in  which  drug  is  physically  entrapped  or dissolved within the matrix of fast dissolving carrier material.  When zydis units are put into the mouth, the  freeze-dried structure disintegrates instantaneously and does not require water to aid swallowing.  The  zydis  matrix  is  composed  of  many  material  designed  to  achieve  a  number  of

objectives. To impart strength and resilience during handling, polymers such as gelatin, dextran or alginates are incorporated. These form a glossy amorphous structure, which imparts strength.  To  obtain  crystallinity,  elegance  and  hardness,  saccharides  such  as  mannitol  or  sorbitol  are incorporated. Water is used in the manufacturing process to ensure production of porous units to achieve  rapid  disintegration  while  various  gums  are  used  to  prevent  sedimentation  of  dispersed drug  particles  in  the  manufacturing  process.  Collapse  protectants  such  as  glycine  prevent  the shrinkage  of  zydis  units  during  freeze-drying  process  or  long-term  storage.  Zydis  products  are packed in blister packs to protect the formulation from moisture in the environment.

 

2. Durasolv Technology:

Durasolv is the patented technology of CIMA labs. The tablets made by this technology consist of  drug,  filler  and  a  lubricant.  Tablets  are  prepared  by  using  conventional  tabletting  equipment and have good rigidity. These  can  be  packaged  into  conventional  packaging  system  like  blisters.  Durasolv  is  an appropriate technology for product requiring low amounts of active ingredients.

 

3. Orasolv Technology:

CIMA  labs  have  developed  Orasolv  Technology.  In  this  system  active  medicament  is  taste masked.  It  also  contains  effervescent  disintegrating  agent.  Tablets  are  made  by  direct compression  technique  at  low  compression  force  in  o

rder  to  minimize  oral  dissolution  time. Conventional  blenders  and  tablet  machine  is  used  to  produce  the  tablets.  The  tablets  produced are soft and friable.

 

4. Flash Dose Technology:

Flash dose technology  has  been patented by fuisz.  Nurofen meltlet, a new  form  of ibuprofen as melt  in  mouth  tablets  prepared  using  flash  dose  technology  is  the  first  commercial  product launched  by  biovail  corporation.  Flash  dose  tablets  consist  of  self-binding  shear  form  matrix termed as “floss”. Shear form matrices are prepared by flash heat processing.

 

5. Wow tab Technology:

Wow  tab  technology  is  patented  by  Yamanouchi  Pharmaceutical  Co.  WOW  means  “Without Water”.  In  this  process,  combination  of  low  mouldability  saccharides  and  high  mouldability saccharides is used to obtain a rapidly melting strong tablet. The active ingredient is mixed with a  low  mouldability  saccharide  (eg.  lactose,  glucose,  and  mannitol)  and  granulatedwith  a  high

mouldability saccharide (eg. Maltose, oligosaccharides) and compressed into table

 

6. Flash tab Technology:

Prographarm  laboratories  have  patented  the  Flash  tab  technology.  Tablet  prepared  by  this system  consists  of  an  active  ingredient  in  the  form  of  micro  crystals.  Drug  micro  granules  may be  prepared  by  using  the  conventional  techniques  like  coacervation,  micro  encapsulation  and extrusion spheronisation. All the processing utilized conventional tableting technology.

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Now I'm more confused. I was taught to take the oral dissolvables and put in whole milk and shake and mix and then make my daily pill. Is this effective or not?

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Now I'm more confused. I was taught to take the oral dissolvables and put in whole milk and shake and mix and then make my daily pill. Is this effective or not?

 

I'd say, very effective.  No matter how your particular wafer was made.  Whether the K is dissolved in the wafer material or not, they are all made to disintegrate when they hit water, so when you put a wafer in milk I'd think it would disintegrate better than a pill would, making the K available to dissolve in the milk fat.  I'd say you are all set.

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Now I'm more confused. I was taught to take the oral dissolvables and put in whole milk and shake and mix and then make my daily pill. Is this effective or not?

 

Yes - that should be fine.  Somebody said they were using water.  I don't think that will work very well.

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I am worse and worse by the day from switching from four doses a day to three. Getting major interdose withdrawal so I still have the same horrid side effects but now I'm frantic/psychotic several hours a day on top of that. Can I switch back and then resume my taper?  Pharmacist said my brain may be looking for that 10:30 am dose CUZ that's when the sh** hits the fan for the next four hours and then hungover from the strain the rest of the day. I can't believe I'm so sensitive

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You are not alone in this, many of us notice when we reduce the number of times we dose. Some even notice if they are late by 30 minutes on taking their dose. It is all about what the body is used too and how sensitive your brain is to change. I have the same issue and learned that I have to very slowly ease into that reduction or change in my schedule or times I dose a day.

So if you are wanting to maintain the same daily total intake of med/benzo - begin by shifting a very small amount from that dose you have decided to eliminate to one of the other time you take a dose to make the  c/o  & thereby eliminating your daily times you dose by 1.  Once you have stabilized to your normal level of stability. Then you can resume tapering if you so choose. ( again, this example does not reduce your overall dose)  If I remember correctly you wanted to reduce from 4 times to 3 times a day you take your meds.

If you are wanting to reduce the benzo as you shift from 4 to 3 times dosing, there are ways to ease into this as well.

For most people, slow is best and can certainly help with reducing the severity of symptoms. 

I hope this helps

 

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So smart Kasey!  I had no idea how sensitive I was. Had no idea this would be a problem. Going back up to four doses to hopefully get out Of the worst and then start tapering and worry about this when I absolutely have to reduce doses, not just when I "think" it would reduce some side effects. Thanks

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You can always switch back to 4 a day.

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Hi lizagal,

 

I'm currently working on shifting from two doses to three doses a day due to interdose withdrawal.  I am moving a portion of my doses by one hour and then holding for two to four days for my body to adjust. When I first started I had a lot of increase in symptoms but as they have gotten more spread out the symptoms have been decreasing. Unless I just found a window???

 

Here is an example of what I'm doing, I'm on 1.25mg clonazepam a day taking .75 at 10:30pm and .5 at 10:30am:

 

Step one move .332mg to 9:30pm and .416mg to 9:30am, leave .418mg at 10:30pm and .084mg at 10:30am

Step two move .332mg to 8:30pm and .416mg to 8:30am

Step three move .332mg to 7:30pm and .416mg to 7:30am

Step four move .332mg to 6:30pm and .416mg to 6:30am

Step five move .332mg to 5:30pm, leave .416mg at 6:30am and move .084mg to 11:30am, leave .418mg at 10:30pm

Step six move .332mg to 4:30pm, leave .416mg at 6:30 am and move .084mg to 12:30pm

Step seven move .332mg to 3:30pm, leave .416 at 6:30 am and move .084mg to 1:30pm

Step eight move .332mg to 2:30pm, leave .416 at 6:30 am and move .084mg to 2:30pm

 

This results in .416mg at 6:30am, .416mg at 2:30pm and .418mg at 10:30 for a total of 1.25mg a day.

 

You could do this in reverse if you want to move from four to three doses.

 

May I ask why you are wanting to move from four to three doses?

 

I hope things are going well for you today.

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SG I need your help please or suggestion...i have been so so sick and now with the SVT its hard but i am up from 97lbs to 103..so i am making some progress ..but as for strength and heart rate i am in a wheelchair when i have to go to the doctors.

 

I am still at 2.75 mgs a day of k...  .130 .130 .87 .139 a day and its getting really old..cause i am not getting any better holding and its been months..

 

i crush the pills and weigh it and then put it in hot beef broth cause i cant swallow a pill

 

my question is what would your suggestion be to try and taper again?? should i wait til i put on more weight? and get stronger cause physical therapy is going to start coming to my home to help me..

or try and even take .001 gms off of one dose like every week or 2 weeks alternating doses..i dont know what to do and cant get any answers from any doctors cause they dont have a clue.

 

husband said why not go back to 4mgs and wait he doesnt understand that could really backfire cause going up 1mg those months ago has not helped at all..so i dont think going back to where i started would help.

 

suggestions from any other members here would be appreciated also i am just sick and tired of being like this and dont know what to do.

 

thanks in advance

 

deep

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SG I need your help please or suggestion...i have been so so sick and now with the SVT its hard but i am up from 97lbs to 103..so i am making some progress ..but as for strength and heart rate i am in a wheelchair when i have to go to the doctors.

 

I am still at 2.75 mgs a day of k...  .130 .130 .87 .139 a day and its getting really old..cause i am not getting any better holding and its been months..

 

i crush the pills and weigh it and then put it in hot beef broth cause i cant swallow a pill

 

my question is what would your suggestion be to try and taper again?? should i wait til i put on more weight? and get stronger cause physical therapy is going to start coming to my home to help me..

or try and even take .001 gms off of one dose like every week or 2 weeks alternating doses..i dont know what to do and cant get any answers from any doctors cause they dont have a clue.

 

husband said why not go back to 4mgs and wait he doesnt understand that could really backfire cause going up 1mg those months ago has not helped at all..so i dont think going back to where i started would help.

 

suggestions from any other members here would be appreciated also i am just sick and tired of being like this and dont know what to do.

 

thanks in advance

 

deep

 

I'm not familiar with your current situation, Deep.  The swallowing problem and need for a wheelchair sound pretty serious.  Did the benzo taper do that to you?

 

I tend to agree with you about not going back up to 4mg.  If you already added back 1mg and it didn't help, what can we expect from another 1.25mg.  These drugs are evil.  How many months have you been holding?

 

If you do decide to taper I'd pick a very safe monthly percentage to begin, then figure out what it works out to daily.

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for my 2 cents worth, I think that slow metabolizers can take fewer doses per day than fast metabolizers. If you are a fast metabolizer like myself, consider taking 5-6 doses per day. that way you cure a lot of IDWD and you also have more doses to taper from. that will give you a lower reduction rate if you taper one dose at a time.

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SG I need your help please or suggestion...i have been so so sick and now with the SVT its hard but i am up from 97lbs to 103..so i am making some progress ..but as for strength and heart rate i am in a wheelchair when i have to go to the doctors.

 

I am still at 2.75 mgs a day of k...  .130 .130 .87 .139 a day and its getting really old..cause i am not getting any better holding and its been months..

 

i crush the pills and weigh it and then put it in hot beef broth cause i cant swallow a pill

 

my question is what would your suggestion be to try and taper again?? should i wait til i put on more weight? and get stronger cause physical therapy is going to start coming to my home to help me..

or try and even take .001 gms off of one dose like every week or 2 weeks alternating doses..i dont know what to do and cant get any answers from any doctors cause they dont have a clue.

 

husband said why not go back to 4mgs and wait he doesnt understand that could really backfire cause going up 1mg those months ago has not helped at all..so i dont think going back to where i started would help.

 

suggestions from any other members here would be appreciated also i am just sick and tired of being like this and dont know what to do.

 

thanks in advance

 

deep

I know you've been holding for quite a while deep. Maybe trying a small cut and seeing how you feel would be a good move at this point.  I don't know. Just throwing it out there. It seems to me that we reach a point where tapering actually makes us start to feel better (and that's coming from a long hold fanatic lol).  How long have you held since the up dose? --V

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SG I need your help please or suggestion...i have been so so sick and now with the SVT its hard but i am up from 97lbs to 103..so i am making some progress ..but as for strength and heart rate i am in a wheelchair when i have to go to the doctors.

 

I am still at 2.75 mgs a day of k...  .130 .130 .87 .139 a day and its getting really old..cause i am not getting any better holding and its been months..

 

i crush the pills and weigh it and then put it in hot beef broth cause i cant swallow a pill

 

my question is what would your suggestion be to try and taper again?? should i wait til i put on more weight? and get stronger cause physical therapy is going to start coming to my home to help me..

or try and even take .001 gms off of one dose like every week or 2 weeks alternating doses..i dont know what to do and cant get any answers from any doctors cause they dont have a clue.

 

husband said why not go back to 4mgs and wait he doesnt understand that could really backfire cause going up 1mg those months ago has not helped at all..so i dont think going back to where i started would help.

 

suggestions from any other members here would be appreciated also i am just sick and tired of being like this and dont know what to do.

 

thanks in advance

 

deep

 

I'm not familiar with your current situation, Deep.  The swallowing problem and need for a wheelchair sound pretty serious.  Did the benzo taper do that to you?

 

I tend to agree with you about not going back up to 4mg.  If you already added back 1mg and it didn't help, what can we expect from another 1.25mg.  These drugs are evil.  How many months have you been holding?

 

If you do decide to taper I'd pick a very safe monthly percentage to begin, then figure out what it works out to daily.

 

 

I have gotten so weak and malnourished from the not being able to swallow and nothing has shown up from 5 barium swallows..they are saying its in my head the docs dont know what to do or what not to do..i am lost and cant find my way..then i had an SVT episode in end of june in the hospital for 5 days and now they tell me i was born with it but i will live with that. The specialist said that theres no damage to my heart. i go the beginning of oct to the regular cardiologist and my reg doc is going to have physical theraphy and speech ( to swallow better) to come to the house for home health care.

 

as far as if its from the taper the swallowing didnt start until i got really low from 4mgs and was at 1.75 and i havent been able to pull out and that was last jan. thats why the updose..i have been holding since May.

 

so not sure how if i took off .001gms of one dose how long to wait before i did it on another dose..the docs are of no help..and i am scared but have to do something.

 

thanks

deep

 

 

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SG I need your help please or suggestion...i have been so so sick and now with the SVT its hard but i am up from 97lbs to 103..so i am making some progress ..but as for strength and heart rate i am in a wheelchair when i have to go to the doctors.

 

I am still at 2.75 mgs a day of k...  .130 .130 .87 .139 a day and its getting really old..cause i am not getting any better holding and its been months..

 

i crush the pills and weigh it and then put it in hot beef broth cause i cant swallow a pill

 

my question is what would your suggestion be to try and taper again?? should i wait til i put on more weight? and get stronger cause physical therapy is going to start coming to my home to help me..

or try and even take .001 gms off of one dose like every week or 2 weeks alternating doses..i dont know what to do and cant get any answers from any doctors cause they dont have a clue.

 

husband said why not go back to 4mgs and wait he doesnt understand that could really backfire cause going up 1mg those months ago has not helped at all..so i dont think going back to where i started would help.

 

suggestions from any other members here would be appreciated also i am just sick and tired of being like this and dont know what to do.

 

thanks in advance

 

deep

I know you've been holding for quite a while deep. Maybe trying a small cut and seeing how you feel would be a good move at this point.  I don't know. Just throwing it out there. It seems to me that we reach a point where tapering actually makes us start to feel better (and that's coming from a long hold fanatic lol).  How long have you held since the up dose? --V

 

Hi Val..its good to see you here

 

and I have been holding since like May and not getting any better if anything worse i could get around in May but now in a whel chair when out to weak to walk and the heart rate freaks out.  And i know you have been a hold fanatic..lol..and thanks for the suggestion i have to do something i cant just keep living like this..something has to change.

How are you doing?

 

 

deep

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SG I need your help please or suggestion...i have been so so sick and now with the SVT its hard but i am up from 97lbs to 103..so i am making some progress ..but as for strength and heart rate i am in a wheelchair when i have to go to the doctors.

 

I am still at 2.75 mgs a day of k...  .130 .130 .87 .139 a day and its getting really old..cause i am not getting any better holding and its been months..

 

i crush the pills and weigh it and then put it in hot beef broth cause i cant swallow a pill

 

my question is what would your suggestion be to try and taper again?? should i wait til i put on more weight? and get stronger cause physical therapy is going to start coming to my home to help me..

or try and even take .001 gms off of one dose like every week or 2 weeks alternating doses..i dont know what to do and cant get any answers from any doctors cause they dont have a clue.

 

husband said why not go back to 4mgs and wait he doesnt understand that could really backfire cause going up 1mg those months ago has not helped at all..so i dont think going back to where i started would help.

 

suggestions from any other members here would be appreciated also i am just sick and tired of being like this and dont know what to do.

 

thanks in advance

 

deep

I know you've been holding for quite a while deep. Maybe trying a small cut and seeing how you feel would be a good move at this point.  I don't know. Just throwing it out there. It seems to me that we reach a point where tapering actually makes us start to feel better (and that's coming from a long hold fanatic lol).  How long have you held since the up dose? --V

 

Hi Val..its good to see you here

 

and I have been holding since like May and not getting any better if anything worse i could get around in May but now in a whel chair when out to weak to walk and the heart rate freaks out.  And i know you have been a hold fanatic..lol..and thanks for the suggestion i have to do something i cant just keep living like this..something has to change.

How are you doing?

 

 

deep

So sorry to hear about your struggles deep.  I'm actually doing great now. I got very stable during my hold except for the depression and that has resolved since I started tapering again so the hold did its thing. It's taken a few weeks to get used to the daily MT but overall I seem to have adjusted and have very minor sxs.  --V

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I'm not familiar with your current situation, Deep.  The swallowing problem and need for a wheelchair sound pretty serious.  Did the benzo taper do that to you?

 

I tend to agree with you about not going back up to 4mg.  If you already added back 1mg and it didn't help, what can we expect from another 1.25mg.  These drugs are evil.  How many months have you been holding?

 

If you do decide to taper I'd pick a very safe monthly percentage to begin, then figure out what it works out to daily.

I have gotten so weak and malnourished from the not being able to swallow and nothing has shown up from 5 barium swallows..they are saying its in my head the docs dont know what to do or what not to do..i am lost and cant find my way..then i had an SVT episode in end of june in the hospital for 5 days and now they tell me i was born with it but i will live with that. The specialist said that theres no damage to my heart. i go the beginning of oct to the regular cardiologist and my reg doc is going to have physical theraphy and speech ( to swallow better) to come to the house for home health care.

 

as far as if its from the taper the swallowing didnt start until i got really low from 4mgs and was at 1.75 and i havent been able to pull out and that was last jan. thats why the updose..i have been holding since May.

 

so not sure how if i took off .001gms of one dose how long to wait before i did it on another dose..the docs are of no help..and i am scared but have to do something.

 

thanks

deep

 

What is SVT?

 

So, you updosed almost 60% and have held four months, and nothing?  Wow.  Just a thought about the swallowing.  I got tardive dyskinesia during my taper.  I am unable to stop pressing my teeth together and have to wear a mouth guard to suppress the urge.  It is neurological damage caused by either the drug or removing it too quickly.

 

I was on a TD/dystonia board and the variety of things that happen was eye-opening.  Major muscles all over the body spasm and lock up.  A lot of mouth and neck stuff.  The swallowing just makes me wonder if you might have TD or something similar caused by the K.  Doctors will probably tell you that can't happen from benzos, but it happened to me and others on the TD board.  It is much more common with anti-psychotic drugs, but benzos can definitely cause it too.  I guess a neurologist would be appropriate.  Anyway, just a thought.

 

If your dose is 2.75mg and you decided to remove 3% a month, that would be .0825mg a month or .00275mg a day.  Your pills are 1mg? So, each .001g is .006mg.  If you removed .001g every other day that would be about 3% a month.

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I'm not familiar with your current situation, Deep.  The swallowing problem and need for a wheelchair sound pretty serious.  Did the benzo taper do that to you?

 

I tend to agree with you about not going back up to 4mg.  If you already added back 1mg and it didn't help, what can we expect from another 1.25mg.  These drugs are evil.  How many months have you been holding?

 

If you do decide to taper I'd pick a very safe monthly percentage to begin, then figure out what it works out to daily.

I have gotten so weak and malnourished from the not being able to swallow and nothing has shown up from 5 barium swallows..they are saying its in my head the docs dont know what to do or what not to do..i am lost and cant find my way..then i had an SVT episode in end of june in the hospital for 5 days and now they tell me i was born with it but i will live with that. The specialist said that theres no damage to my heart. i go the beginning of oct to the regular cardiologist and my reg doc is going to have physical theraphy and speech ( to swallow better) to come to the house for home health care.

 

as far as if its from the taper the swallowing didnt start until i got really low from 4mgs and was at 1.75 and i havent been able to pull out and that was last jan. thats why the updose..i have been holding since May.

 

so not sure how if i took off .001gms of one dose how long to wait before i did it on another dose..the docs are of no help..and i am scared but have to do something.

 

thanks

deep

 

What is SVT?

 

So, you updosed almost 60% and have held four months, and nothing?  Wow.  Just a thought about the swallowing.  I got tardive dyskinesia during my taper.  I am unable to stop pressing my teeth together and have to wear a mouth guard to suppress the urge.  It is neurological damage caused by either the drug or removing it too quickly.

 

I was on a TD/dystonia board and the variety of things that happen was eye-opening.  Major muscles all over the body spasm and lock up.  A lot of mouth and neck stuff.  The swallowing just makes me wonder if you might have TD or something similar caused by the K.  Doctors will probably tell you that can't happen from benzos, but it happened to me and others on the TD board.  It is much more common with anti-psychotic drugs, but benzos can definitely cause it too.  I guess a neurologist would be appropriate.  Anyway, just a thought.

 

If your dose is 2.75mg and you decided to remove 3% a month, that would be .0825mg a month or .00275mg a day.  Your pills are 1mg? So, each .001g is .006mg.  If you removed .001g every other day that would be about 3% a month.

 

SVT is Super Ventricular Tackycardia..i was feeling real strange one morning about 2 by 4 hubby had my on the way to the hospital and all of a sudden it felt like my heart shook like a rattle and my pulse went to 258 bpm..but i was awake and didnt pass out..terri wheeled me into the er with me screaming dont let me die..they hooked me up to the ekg and caught it on there..then they said they had to give me a shot to stop my heart and let it reset and that it would be a strange feeling

 

were they ever right they give it to you in the iv and your heart flat lines and you are alive and awake and then it starts again and if your lucky your heart rate is down and continues to drop..i was a wreck to say the least..the feeling was so strange like nothingness yet so lifeless feeling..they say SVT is not life threatening the kind i have and dont need to come to the er to have that done unless i cant break the high heart rate cycle after like and hr myself and it can happen again at any time anywhere.

 

and wheres the TD board? I need to go and read and see if i can relate..mine is like i feel like food gets stuck in my throat..and like theres a lump there yet nothing shows up..and if i get stressed it gets worse..but they cant tell me that its from the taper they are saying its anxiety more or less..but who knows.

 

sorry this is so long

 

i was wondering if it would do any good after i got a bit stronger that if i took like .001 alternating doses say once a week would that even matter i am now totally terrified

 

thanks for your time as always

 

deep

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258...wow. that seems high. how fast does the heart beat during intense exercise, I wonder?

 

Search FB for "tardive dyskinesia lawsuit seroquel quitiapine." They no longer are including other drugs, but I think they would still want to help you.

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258...wow. that seems high. how fast does the heart beat during intense exercise, I wonder?

 

Search FB for "tardive dyskinesia lawsuit seroquel quitiapine." They no longer are including other drugs, but I think they would still want to help you.

 

heart rate when exercising is usually 150..yes it very high..and i will search that and thank you.

 

I will post when i think i am ready to take a bit off and get the math from you.

 

thanks again

 

deep