Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group

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IDK, Please.  I wish I had answers.  We've been all around this is the past and it is a hard one to figure.  These drugs do some weird things that we don't understand.  It could be that the drug itself is a problem, but my usual suspicion is that, somehow, you are getting shorted.  That could be wrong, but it does happen.  I think Liza mentioned this to you on the Long Hold thread and I thought that was a good thing to check.  Is there anything you are doing that could be speeding the K out of your body?  Other meds?  Foods?  Detoxes and cleanses?  What is your diet like?  Do you eat processed foods?

I stopped the foot detoxes and supplements...and eat all organic... I do eat alot of smoothies with spinach kale and blueberries....

.. I believe you are right... The drug itself is a problem and doesn't agree with me.... It's working halfway.... how do you deal with that.... Nobody can tell me...  Do I rapidly come off? Switch to Valium? I guess a doctor who is benzo wise can help?

 

I have to get off of this safely though... I don't know how.... I'm really thinking its the liquid.... I had the hardest time adjusting to that and got sicker....

 

Do you know of a mathematical equation on how to go back to pills gradually like part pills and part liquid on the current dose I'm at which is 94.50mg......

 

I have to try something....

 

So there is no chance you are ingesting MSG?

 

If you wanted to go back to pills slowly you'd need a scale.

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IDK, Please.  I wish I had answers.  We've been all around this is the past and it is a hard one to figure.  These drugs do some weird things that we don't understand.  It could be that the drug itself is a problem, but my usual suspicion is that, somehow, you are getting shorted.  That could be wrong, but it does happen.  I think Liza mentioned this to you on the Long Hold thread and I thought that was a good thing to check.  Is there anything you are doing that could be speeding the K out of your body?  Other meds?  Foods?  Detoxes and cleanses?  What is your diet like?  Do you eat processed foods?

I stopped the foot detoxes and supplements...and eat all organic... I do eat alot of smoothies with spinach kale and blueberries....

.. I believe you are right... The drug itself is a problem and doesn't agree with me.... It's working halfway.... how do you deal with that.... Nobody can tell me...  Do I rapidly come off? Switch to Valium? I guess a doctor who is benzo wise can help?

 

I have to get off of this safely though... I don't know how.... I'm really thinking its the liquid.... I had the hardest time adjusting to that and got sicker....

 

Do you know of a mathematical equation on how to go back to pills gradually like part pills and part liquid on the current dose I'm at which is 94.50mg......

 

I have to try something....

 

So there is no chance you are ingesting MSG?

 

If you wanted to go back to pills slowly you'd need a scale.

 

It's very possible but I try to be very very careful....I used a protein shake ( no added vitamins) and one of the amino acids is aspartic acid and it was loaded with that... I read that aspartic acid causes neuro excitability... and I had taken a very potent probiotic for 5 days....drank chlorophyll about 3 times and did a foot detox about 3 times with reflexology..... I actually felt so much better after the foot detox for about a day and half..... It really calmed everything down... Maybe that's my body's way of saying "get rid of this drug you feel so much better without it!!!)

 

I purchased a Gemini scale from amazon with a pill crusher... I was holding off.... But this could be part of the problem...

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IDK, Please.  I wish I had answers.  We've been all around this is the past and it is a hard one to figure.  These drugs do some weird things that we don't understand.  It could be that the drug itself is a problem, but my usual suspicion is that, somehow, you are getting shorted.  That could be wrong, but it does happen.  I think Liza mentioned this to you on the Long Hold thread and I thought that was a good thing to check.  Is there anything you are doing that could be speeding the K out of your body?  Other meds?  Foods?  Detoxes and cleanses?  What is your diet like?  Do you eat processed foods?

I stopped the foot detoxes and supplements...and eat all organic... I do eat alot of smoothies with spinach kale and blueberries....

.. I believe you are right... The drug itself is a problem and doesn't agree with me.... It's working halfway.... how do you deal with that.... Nobody can tell me...  Do I rapidly come off? Switch to Valium? I guess a doctor who is benzo wise can help?

 

I have to get off of this safely though... I don't know how.... I'm really thinking its the liquid.... I had the hardest time adjusting to that and got sicker....

 

Do you know of a mathematical equation on how to go back to pills gradually like part pills and part liquid on the current dose I'm at which is 94.50mg......

 

I have to try something....

 

So there is no chance you are ingesting MSG?

 

If you wanted to go back to pills slowly you'd need a scale.

 

It's very possible but I try to be very very careful....I used a protein shake ( no added vitamins) and one of the amino acids is aspartic acid and it was loaded with that... I read that aspartic acid causes neuro excitability... and I had taken a very potent probiotic for 5 days....drank chlorophyll about 3 times and did a foot detox about 3 times with reflexology..... I actually felt so much better after the foot detox for about a day and half..... It really calmed everything down... Maybe that's my body's way of saying "get rid of this drug you feel so much better without it!!!)

 

I purchased a Gemini scale from amazon with a pill crusher... I was holding off.... But this could be part of the problem...

 

Sg57... I just thought of something too.... Alot of the time when I mix my batch up and I divide it out.. There is still residue of liquid in there .... Meaning the bowl and container I let it dissolve in and I don't always drink it.... When your sensitive maybe these tiniest drips are adding up.. A longshot...

 

Also I was letting the pills DISSOLVE in the milk in the fridge first... Temperature effecting it?

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It's very possible but I try to be very very careful....I used a protein shake ( no added vitamins) and one of the amino acids is aspartic acid and it was loaded with that... I read that aspartic acid causes neuro excitability... and I had taken a very potent probiotic for 5 days....drank chlorophyll about 3 times and did a foot detox about 3 times with reflexology..... I actually felt so much better after the foot detox for about a day and half..... It really calmed everything down... Maybe that's my body's way of saying "get rid of this drug you feel so much better without it!!!)

 

I purchased a Gemini scale from amazon with a pill crusher... I was holding off.... But this could be part of the problem...

Sg57... I just thought of something too.... Alot of the time when I mix my batch up and I divide it out.. There is still residue of liquid in there .... Meaning the bowl and container I let it dissolve in and I don't always drink it.... When your sensitive maybe these tiniest drips are adding up.. A longshot...

 

Also I was letting the pills DISSOLVE in the milk in the fridge first... Temperature effecting it?

 

You really should always rinse and drink it all as that will leave you short, but I doubt it accounts for what you have been going through.  I also don't think letting it dissolve in the fridge is a problem.  And besides, you're not cutting, right?  So you get all the liquid in a day one way or the other.

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It's very possible but I try to be very very careful....I used a protein shake ( no added vitamins) and one of the amino acids is aspartic acid and it was loaded with that... I read that aspartic acid causes neuro excitability... and I had taken a very potent probiotic for 5 days....drank chlorophyll about 3 times and did a foot detox about 3 times with reflexology..... I actually felt so much better after the foot detox for about a day and half..... It really calmed everything down... Maybe that's my body's way of saying "get rid of this drug you feel so much better without it!!!)

 

I purchased a Gemini scale from amazon with a pill crusher... I was holding off.... But this could be part of the problem...

Sg57... I just thought of something too.... Alot of the time when I mix my batch up and I divide it out.. There is still residue of liquid in there .... Meaning the bowl and container I let it dissolve in and I don't always drink it.... When your sensitive maybe these tiniest drips are adding up.. A longshot...

 

Also I was letting the pills DISSOLVE in the milk in the fridge first... Temperature effecting it?

 

You really should always rinse and drink it all as that will leave you short, but I doubt it accounts for what you have been going through.  I also don't think letting it dissolve in the fridge is a problem.  And besides, you're not cutting, right?  So you get all the liquid in a day one way or the other.

 

If you are considering and examining everything and FWIW - you may have issues with the protein in the protein shake. Such as the type of protein you are ingesting. Yes any anti-caking properties can also cause problems for some people.  2ndly the kale, spinach - dk leafy greens are high in folic acid and other vitamins. Now many need these nutrients, but there are some who do not handle folic acid and b vitamins.... ( this gets into methylation issues) if or when you have exhausted everything else, begin reducing some of the smoothies and see if this helps.

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I understand that. What I'm asking is this. When people say they feel their taper is going smooth what do they mean? I was trying to finish the last of my taper with a MT in the hopes that it would ease the effects. Now that I have any pain does that mean I can expect to have pain from this point forward? Or will it ease up at some point and it will be obvious to me when to continue?

 

I usually hold until I feel stable. This does NOT mean I am asymptomatic. It simply means that my symptoms have leveled off to a tolerable level and aren't jumping up and down and all over the place.  It's tough to see what is really going on with the big gap in your signature.  How much would you say you cut in the 30 days prior to gaining symptoms?

 

Best,

Ed

 

Understood, edzo. Fixed my signature to hopefully add enough detail. Since I was doing a daily liquid MT there's obviously not enough space in the signature field to put all my daily drops. There were some holds in there, but going just on every 2 week data points my signature shows roughly what I did. I did small holds in there if I felt bad or if things were getting overly stressful.

 

To be honest, sometimes I'm bad at recognizing the symptoms when it's just mental symptoms like anxiety. It's one of the reasons I feel like my biggest mistake here was in not having a counselor to talk to regularly so I could check myself on how I was actually doing. Anyway, prior to symptoms becoming really obvious I had dropped 0.40mg the previous 30 days.

 

Thoughts? Thanks, by the way.

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Hi, Jeff. Hi builder. I don't think I saw SG, but hi if you're there. Sorry, can't remember everybody. I've had bad cog fog for weeks and it seems to be getting worse. I will probably forget I posted this!

 

Here's my update from the slowest taper ever. With lots of help from Anne (the suspension queen of BB), I have learned how to suspend the Q and have successfully dosed it as a liquid for a week. Now I am going to start the world's slowest MT of it.

 

I have been in cog fog and dizziness for weeks. I don't know why. I can't seem to do the simplest things without messing them up. I fell down the deck stairs and sprained my ankle yesterday just from turning to set something down. I set myself down instead. And not gently! So I figured I'd better not make guesses at how much to taper.

 

Any math gurus want to tell me if it's OK to cut 1 ml of my 200ml every day? The whole tablet is 25mg Q. I am cutting 65ml of the 200ml right now. So what kind of percent per month would that be. Is it too fast? I am wanting to get down to 100ml as my total Q dose before I start up the L taper again. But my brain can't figure out what a good pace would be. I can't do percents or anything. Heck, I can't even cook an egg without burning it, and I destroyed a recipe today that I have made hundreds of times. Total brain fry, I assume from all these meds. I need to get lower.

 

Hey Gardner!! All I can say is "bless your heart!". You've really been through it. I can truly relate to your situation. I've been holding so long that I forgot what I'm even holding. Really is a drag. Anyway, I'm no math guru who can help you with your question, but I still wanted to jump in and say a big "hi" with a big hug. Keep on faithing your way through it all!!!

 

Jeff

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I understand that. What I'm asking is this. When people say they feel their taper is going smooth what do they mean? I was trying to finish the last of my taper with a MT in the hopes that it would ease the effects. Now that I have any pain does that mean I can expect to have pain from this point forward? Or will it ease up at some point and it will be obvious to me when to continue?

 

I usually hold until I feel stable. This does NOT mean I am asymptomatic. It simply means that my symptoms have leveled off to a tolerable level and aren't jumping up and down and all over the place.  It's tough to see what is really going on with the big gap in your signature.  How much would you say you cut in the 30 days prior to gaining symptoms?

 

Best,

Ed

 

Understood, edzo. Fixed my signature to hopefully add enough detail. Since I was doing a daily liquid MT there's obviously not enough space in the signature field to put all my daily drops. There were some holds in there, but going just on every 2 week data points my signature shows roughly what I did. I did small holds in there if I felt bad or if things were getting overly stressful.

 

To be honest, sometimes I'm bad at recognizing the symptoms when it's just mental symptoms like anxiety. It's one of the reasons I feel like my biggest mistake here was in not having a counselor to talk to regularly so I could check myself on how I was actually doing. Anyway, prior to symptoms becoming really obvious I had dropped 0.40mg the previous 30 days.

 

Thoughts? Thanks, by the way.

 

That taper really looks sensible to me.  These drugs can really dig in on some of us at the lower dosages. Others report having an easier go of it toward the end. Unfortunately, I'm in the former camp.  I'll probably have to hold a bit myself.  I see you updosed and are holding. Probably a good call. Let us know if/when you've stabilized.

 

Your friend in torment, 

Ed

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Hey Gardner!! All I can say is "bless your heart!". You've really been through it. I can truly relate to your situation. I've been holding so long that I forgot what I'm even holding. Really is a drag. Anyway, I'm no math guru who can help you with your question, but I still wanted to jump in and say a big "hi" with a big hug. Keep on faithing your way through it all!!!

 

Jeff

 

Hi back, Jeff! Yes, keep on keeping on.

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Could I screw up anymore?  This week I reached the end of a six month hold on klonopin which I crashed even microtapering at 1%. I didn't think the hold helped, but what I really think I was dealing with was side effects that would hopefully get better as I taper. But ignorant of that (based on my crashing history) I decided to go from four doses a day that I've been doing for 15 months to 3 because many said it helped them rid of some side effects. First two days I could tell my brain was clearer. Day three and today day four I feel out of my mind again. The hold got rid of that sensation and I had forgotten how horrid it was. I pray to God my body quickly adjusts because now I don't trust myself to make ANY moves. I feel totally stuck.

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Please---kale is a detoxifier!!!

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And PLEASE I respectfully disagree with SG for once. If you are not rinsing and drinking from your main dose jar and individual dose containers you are getting a different amount of klonopin everyday. I was taught to use a main dose jar of milk to dissolve my K. Shake/mix main dose jar and then do the pull (if you are pulling any). Then pour into your individual dose jars.  Then you put in enough water to rinse out the main dose jar and separate the rinse water into your individual jars. Between this, the detoxing, protein powder etc, you never have the same amount of klonopin in your system. Now that I'm being affected by reducing my doses I know we are very sensitive. And by the way, the reason I reinstated on benzos after being 3 1/2 years free is because two years ago this week I went to a world renowned Neuro-functional med doctor who prescribed compounded supplements for me. I got sicker and sicker and ended up in the ER on Labor Day and was given a mix of Mylanta and oral lidocaine. Lidocaine taken orally acts on Benzo receptors so after going through two years of hell to get off and 3 1/2 years off, that dose threw me back into acute withdrawal within 24 hours. I didn't sleep one minute for the next four months and was psychotic and suicidal. My husband dragged me to the hospital where I was told I had the choice of taking an ativan to sleep or go to the psych hospital. I took the ativan and once again my brain started going through withdrawal.

 

All that to say--most nutritional specialist have not a clue about how benzos affect everything including our ability to process supplements. If you are taking detox supplements or eating detoxing foods plus you are leaving klonopin in your dose jars, it's no wonder you are suffering. Believe me I was told through blood tests that I had deficiencies too but would I even have noticed them or even gone to a doctor if I wasn't struggling with Benzo recovery? 

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And PLEASE I respectfully disagree with SG for once. If you are not rinsing and drinking from your main dose jar and individual dose containers you are getting a different amount of klonopin everyday. I was taught to use a main dose jar of milk to dissolve my K. Shake/mix main dose jar and then do the pull (if you are pulling any). Then pour into your individual dose jars.  Then you put in enough water to rinse out the main dose jar and separate the rinse water into your individual jars. Between this, the detoxing, protein powder etc, you never have the same amount of klonopin in your system. Now that I'm being affected by reducing my doses I know we are very sensitive. And by the way, the reason I reinstated on benzos after being 3 1/2 years free is because two years ago this week I went to a world renowned Neuro-functional med doctor who prescribed compounded supplements for me. I got sicker and sicker and ended up in the ER on Labor Day and was given a mix of Mylanta and oral lidocaine. Lidocaine taken orally acts on Benzo receptors so after going through two years of hell to get off and 3 1/2 years off, that dose threw me back into acute withdrawal within 24 hours. I didn't sleep one minute for the next four months and was psychotic and suicidal. My husband dragged me to the hospital where I was told I had the choice of taking an ativan to sleep or go to the psych hospital. I took the ativan and once again my brain started going through withdrawal.

 

All that to say--most nutritional specialist have not a clue about how benzos affect everything including our ability to process supplements. If you are taking detox supplements or eating detoxing foods plus you are leaving klonopin in your dose jars, it's no wonder you are suffering. Believe me I was told through blood tests that I had deficiencies too but would I even have noticed them or even gone to a doctor if I wasn't struggling with Benzo recovery?

 

Hi Lizagal,

 

Excuse the stupidity, but what do you mean by "detoxing foods"?

 

Thanks!

 

Jeff

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Foods that promote detox like kale

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I think Ultra may be asking what is meant by detox.  This is a topic I need a bit of help understanding as well. Does this mean clean out the liver so that, in our instance, accumulated benzos would be expelled?  If so, yeah, this is a bad thing for those of us doing a taper.

 

Thanks,

Ed

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I think Ultra may be asking what is meant by detox.  This is a topic I need a bit of help understanding as well. Does this mean clean out the liver so that, in our instance, accumulated benzos would be expelled?  If so, yeah, this is a bad thing for those of us doing a taper.

 

Thanks,

Ed

  Hi Ed  ''Detox'' is a very seriously over used ''buzz word'' Kale is a wonderful vegetable it fights cancer and high in fibre so it helps clean out your bowels,( shitting is natural not a ''detox'' reaction  ) its all just more internet paranoia spread by so called 'diet Gurus'' they are as bad as bloody big Pharma scaring people .Eat as wholesome diet you can afford never cut food groups unless you personal find something problematic.

 

Also  so called Food and diet ''Bloggers'' are spreading WRONG badly dangerously misinformation everywhere and people take it as Gospel, if  any of the arses were right then the human race would have died out a long time ago  And the only thing to really watch is certain foods MUST be cooked to get the nutrients from them not everything is beneficial eaten raw  And Kale raw I found problematic but I eat LOTS of it cooked with NO PROBLEMS   

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

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And PLEASE I respectfully disagree with SG for once. If you are not rinsing and drinking from your main dose jar and individual dose containers you are getting a different amount of klonopin everyday. I was taught to use a main dose jar of milk to dissolve my K. Shake/mix main dose jar and then do the pull (if you are pulling any). Then pour into your individual dose jars.  Then you put in enough water to rinse out the main dose jar and separate the rinse water into your individual jars. Between this, the detoxing, protein powder etc, you never have the same amount of klonopin in your system. Now that I'm being affected by reducing my doses I know we are very sensitive. And by the way, the reason I reinstated on benzos after being 3 1/2 years free is because two years ago this week I went to a world renowned Neuro-functional med doctor who prescribed compounded supplements for me. I got sicker and sicker and ended up in the ER on Labor Day and was given a mix of Mylanta and oral lidocaine. Lidocaine taken orally acts on Benzo receptors so after going through two years of hell to get off and 3 1/2 years off, that dose threw me back into acute withdrawal within 24 hours. I didn't sleep one minute for the next four months and was psychotic and suicidal. My husband dragged me to the hospital where I was told I had the choice of taking an ativan to sleep or go to the psych hospital. I took the ativan and once again my brain started going through withdrawal.

 

All that to say--most nutritional specialist have not a clue about how benzos affect everything including our ability to process supplements. If you are taking detox supplements or eating detoxing foods plus you are leaving klonopin in your dose jars, it's no wonder you are suffering. Believe me I was told through blood tests that I had deficiencies too but would I even have noticed them or even gone to a doctor if I wasn't struggling with Benzo recovery?

Hi Liza sweetie  With greatest respect to SG I also agree with the above

 

 

Love Nova xxx :smitten:

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Haha! This takes me back to my milk titration days. After drinking down my concoction, I'd literally use my index finger to rub the inside of the glass to ensure I'd ingested every precious morsel.  I was quite good at licking the mixing beaters when mom finished the icing as well. 

 

Best,

Ed

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I think Ultra may be asking what is meant by detox.  This is a topic I need a bit of help understanding as well. Does this mean clean out the liver so that, in our instance, accumulated benzos would be expelled?  If so, yeah, this is a bad thing for those of us doing a taper.

 

Thanks,

Ed

  Hi Ed  ''Detox'' is a very seriously over used ''buzz word'' Kale is a wonderful vegetable it fights cancer and high in fibre so it helps clean out your bowels,( shitting is natural not a ''detox'' reaction  ) its all just more internet paranoia spread by so called 'diet Gurus'' they are as bad as bloody big Pharma scaring people .Eat as wholesome diet you can afford never cut food groups unless you personal find something problematic.

 

Also  so called Food and diet ''Bloggers'' are spreading WRONG badly dangerously misinformation everywhere and people take it as Gospel, if  any of the arses were right then the human race would have died out a long time ago  And the only thing to really watch is certain foods MUST be cooked to get the nutrients from them not everything is beneficial eaten raw  And Kale raw I found problematic but I eat LOTS of it cooked with NO PROBLEMS   

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

 

I generally agree with Nova, especially about the kale. FWIW I did a liver/gallbladder cleanse just before starting my taper a few months ago. I did have tolerance w/d Sx. But I needed to get some of those stones out so I followed my intuition and just went for it. It did not effect my Sx in any negative way. I just felt cleaner and healthier.

 

There are many different cleanses and supplements. I am 57 so I probably have a fair amount of toxins in my body. The liver cleanse just releases stones and old bile. Other cleanses affect the blood and other things directly, I would guess that those may also effect the benzo dosage/uptake. Also my cleanse was an overnight thing. Longer cleanses/detoxes may be more difficult.

 

In all this stuff we have to use our intuition, god, higher self, whatever you call it. Yes it's hard because especially when we feel anxious we obsess over stuff. I will say again and keep saying, find out your blood type and follow the blood type diet. It has changed my life completely and made this taper so much easier. The bloating, headaches, some of the back pain can be due to the wrong diet. And I mean not just stuff like fried foods. Things that are healthy for one type are not for others. Yes it was hard to change but who doesn't want to feel better and live healthier? The wrong foods can literally kill us slowly.

 

Feeling good this weekend and very grateful for it! I'm wishing the best for everyone here! Aloha, HM

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I think Ultra may be asking what is meant by detox.  This is a topic I need a bit of help understanding as well. Does this mean clean out the liver so that, in our instance, accumulated benzos would be expelled?  If so, yeah, this is a bad thing for those of us doing a taper.

 

Thanks,

Ed

 

Yep, Ed. I think I was just interested in the whole concept...detox, foods that "cause" it, etc. I'm just not very "up" on detoxing or detoxing foods. I'm basically just pretty clueless about everything when it comes to tapering and what effects it.

 

We'll be in touch.  Thanks!!

 

Jeff

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Yep, Ed. I think I was just interested in the whole concept...detox, foods that "cause" it, etc. I'm just not very "up" on detoxing or detoxing foods. I'm basically just pretty clueless about everything when it comes to tapering and what effects it.

 

We'll be in touch.  Thanks!!

 

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff!!

 

It has been a while.  I hope your recovery from back surgery is going well.  I know it can take a very long time, but hang in there.

 

Take care,

Anne

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Yep, Ed. I think I was just interested in the whole concept...detox, foods that "cause" it, etc. I'm just not very "up" on detoxing or detoxing foods. I'm basically just pretty clueless about everything when it comes to tapering and what effects it.

 

We'll be in touch.  Thanks!!

 

Jeff

 

 

Hi Jeff!!

 

It has been a while.  I hope your recovery from back surgery is going well.  I know it can take a very long time, but hang in there.

 

Take care,

Anne

 

Howdy Anne!! Yep, the back is coming along. I had a slight setback last week when I thought I had re-injured it yet again, but I took it easy, prayed one heck of a lot, and got back on track. I'll have problems with it the rest of my life, so I just have to adapt the lifestyle. It's a bummer because I was always so active running marathons and ultra marathons, but not anymore! At this point I'd just be happy if I could get on board with my taper. I guess all those mega years of heavy K doses have made me so sensitive to anything at all.  I've also had to hold so many times for all these other medical situations. One hour at a time! Anyway, thanks so much for caring and checking in.

 

Have a super day!

 

Jeff

 

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Hey guys. I was advised to check this out with you good people.

I'm keen to try a liquid micro taper, from 3mg Valium to 0.

My life has been ruined with ferocious WD for many months. I was making pretty brutal cuts, as my sig shows. I have to try and make this a lot easier if I'm going to get through.

 

I use 2mg pills, with one broken in half for a 1mg.

My math is awful, but I should have help.

Could someone advise please? Would be much appreciated

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Belfast2016

 

1) Use this ratio:  1mgV + 2ml vodka or propylene glycol + 8ml water.  That gives you a dilute solution wh ere 1mg = 10ml.

 

2)  I would probably make a 6mg batch...6mg V + 12ml vodka/PG + 48ml wa water.  That    will last about a week.

 

3)  Continue taking 2mg from your tablets, and the rest from the liquid.

 

 

If you cut .02mg/day, that would be about 5%/week

 

2mg+1mg (10ml)=3mg

2mg+.98mg(9.8ml)=2.98mg

2mg+.96mg(9.6ml)=2.96mg

2mg+.94mg(9.4ml)=2.94mg

 

etc.

 

You will need a 1ml oral syringe, and a 10ml oral syringe.  A 100ml graduated cylinder, or a 50-60ml syringe would be helpful, but not required.

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Wow 5% a week--I had to cut down from 5% a month but that's probably because I never held. Hoping to start up a 5% a month daily LMT with regular holds like c/c/h/h/h. I'm going to ask advice before I do that to see if it makes sense. Cut my 1.2 mg K dose down from four to three to see if it would alleviate some side effects 8 days ago and it's been like a huge cut. First two days good. Days 3 and 4 psychotic out of my mind.