Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group

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Thank you Moo. You're an angel.. and this is complete and utter hell. lol.. hope my prank didn't get you into too much trouble! 

[[Mo...]]

Thank you Moo. You're an angel.. and this is complete and utter hell. lol.. hope my prank didn't get you into too much trouble! 

 

No, it didn't ! We laughed about it . At least I did!

And I'm not done yet....

 

Just try the new taper method. Dissolve your pill in 18 oz of vodka and your xs will disappear fairly quickly. Don't use a straw. 

( seriously anyone reading this; DONT. This is just for DAN)

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Thank you Moo. You're an angel.. and this is complete and utter hell. lol.. hope my prank didn't get you into too much trouble! 

 

No, it didn't ! We laughed about it . At least I did!

And I'm not done yet....

 

Just try the new taper method. Dissolve your pill in 18 oz of vodka and your xs will disappear fairly quickly. Don't use a straw. 

( seriously anyone reading this; DONT. This is just for DAN)

 

I seriously may consider this.  :D

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Those out there. I believe I will be ditching pill shaving for the liquid + pill combination.... or ALL liquid once I get to 1-2mg of Valium.. (There doesn't seem any logical reason in hell why I should be suffering as badly as I am... I feel like I'm completely non functional, and I've been cutting at a .5mg/month pace with micro-cutting)

 

.. Is there a consensus as to why people suffer withdrawal when switching to liquid valium? My guess is the much quicker absorption rate into the blood stream and different route of delivery?

 

Also, anyone who's used the Rx Roxana Liquid Valium, if you could chime in, that'd be amazing. Thank you.

 

 

Sorry you are having a rough time   The route of delivery is the same whether pill or liquid. hope you feel better soon.

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builder: If it took you two years off 9 mg, do you think my daily cuts off 70 mg are too much at .25 mg a day, at first? That is 5% every two weeks. Should I slow it down? I will no longer have my K as a 2nd benzo backup. Some suggest to me that I should drop 5% every three weeks. I'm truly afraid of going too fast. I don't mind the waiting. What do you think? I am now thinking that my daily cuts should be smaller. But I don't know how to do the math to get there, like you did for me. Help!

Bets

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buddies,

 

Have been pm-ing with Djd, who is having a beard time figuring out how to find back posts, and so she has agreed I can post her story for her.

 

I'm asking to please take a moment to read through this post...Sharkey, SG, Builder?

 

She is having a very hard time comprehending it all, due to severe be so brain.

At this list it comes down to figuring out a taper schedule for her, for which I'd like to ask for help here.

 

She will be doing the vodka titration method, since her doctor won't let her have liquid Valium .

 

For now, my advice was to hold for a good while and let the up, down, Left, right, settle and then start a micro taper.

 

Like I said, cog fog is bad and she is feeling awful.

 

I'd say at this point , hold...then start small cuts. And if that works out and is tolerable maybe up the taper rate eventually , since the dose is still fairly high.

 

Here is a pm to me, from her. Posted here with permission .

 

 

 

I was on Xanax between 1.5-2 mg per day when I decided time to go off this past spring.  My doctor told me " just cut back a little at t a time ". No taper pllan.  She is the one who had me on it for over two years.  I'd asked her about it in the past, dumb me didn't research - and she assured me it was no problem to get off.  I had no idea.  When I found out how hard it was I started researching and since I was so inconsistent with my dosing of Xanax and having bad withdrawals I asked her to let me to do the Ashton taper which she was agreeable. 

 

I tapered over to diazepam in like a week -in mid may -  too too fast, I know ( impatient ) but I felt fine, really good and ready to start my taper.  So I did.  And once again, due to impatience and somehow thinking I'd be different , I immediately cut ten mcr of the Valium and crashed big time two weeks later and have been unstable ever since. 

She put me back up to 30 ( I am using pills, not liquid) , I still was terribly unstable and we both decided I should see a psychiatrist.  He tried to stabilize me by pushing me up to 40 mcr.of Valium - big mistake of course because it didn't stabilize me and now I have more to go off of.

He gave me gabapentin to help and it did ( does ) help a little but I am in bad shape.  I wanted to get down to 30 as soon as I could because I just couldn't stand the thought of this whole thing and I was so sleepy and sick from the mess.

 

  So I did mange to get down to 32.5 where I am now.  I started tapering around the beginning of July.  I am so sick I don't think I can or should taper right now.  My doctor is letting me set my pace but he won't do the liquid Valium,  so I have been eyeballing the pills and doing cuts that way which is very inconsistent.  I have re about liquid titrating and would like to try that but it seems so complicated - mortars, pestles, scales etc.  can't I just dissolve ten ml. Pill in ten mls water or milk and just use a syringe to take a little out?  I don't understand the whole liquid titration thing and I'm so impaired right now that I cannot figure out ANYTHING. 

I guessing that I should hold here for a while until I feel a little better.  I'd really like a consistent way of tapering but my doctor is not much help and I cannot find a benzo specialist and I'm on Medicaid anyway.  The Thoth of having to go to a psychiatric ward terrifies me but sometime I wonder if they would be able to help me.  But I know I won't go because the only one that Medicaid pays for is so far away and I'm afraid of what they would do to me.  Oh moodle I just don't know WHAT to do.  This is hell on earth.  And it didn't have to be.  I blew it from the beginning when I started my taper and now I'm bearing the consequence and it's so awful.  I am basically bed bound.  I can barely get anything done - even showering , making a meal.  Is there anyway you can tell me how this liquid titration works? A simple way?

  I think the only way I can manage this taper is by micro tapering.  As it is now, I take ( pills) 10 mcr. At 10am, another 10 at 2 pm , another 10 at 5 pm - because this is the way my withdrawal symptoms have played out - and this is how the doctor told me to do it - take the mess when I'm feeling like I'm withdrawing .  ( and that's most of the time, it's awful). I don't know how to get straightened out and there is no one to help me.  I take 300 mcg. Gabapentin sometimes to help but am trying not to have to use that.  I DONT WANT TO B ON THESE PILLS! 

Thank you AGAING and again for your time and encouragement. And it was Blake, not Matt.

What can I do about making the liquid if my doc won't prescribe liquid.  He doesn't seem to know how horrible this is and I was put on Zoloft and it's not helping and I don't want to be on that either.  I am one big mess.  I appreciate ANY help you can give me THANK YOU, THA K YOU, Moodle.  If you CAN help me make a plan I would be so appreciative.

Best to you, bless you,

Ps I did read " what's happening to your brain". And it's sickening but I needed to know.  So so scary and I cannot believe this happened to me.   

Oh and my last cut was about .05 and I did it over the last two weeks and I'm sick now.  Can't eat, so sick can't get up and do anything can't think.  I think I answered yr questions?  Thank you again.

Jan

 

 

Ps. I'm copying and linking any reply to her here through he pm system since it's very challenging for her to find posts back and how to reply. At times she manages but we agreed to do this till she knows how.

 

Thanks so much for any word of hope and advice to Djd

 

Hey,

 

If im understanding correctly, 32.5mg of Valium daily using 10mg pills.  If you dissolved the 10mg pill in 3ml of vodka or higher proof alcohol. then added 97ml of water.  This would make a 100ml solution.  You could then reduce at a rate of 0.05mg a day by deducting 0.5ml out of the solution each day.  This would reduce you at a rate of 1mg every 20 days.  You can adjust this rate however you would like.  Make sure you take the liquid form for at least 2 weeks before you start reducing.

 

Please let me know what questions you have about this process and we can discuss specifics.

 

Stay strong!

sharkey

 

 

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Hi, Sharkey!!!

 

 

OK, I be quiet now. (Maybe.)

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builder: If it took you two years off 9 mg, do you think my daily cuts off 70 mg are too much at .25 mg a day, at first? That is 5% every two weeks. Should I slow it down? I will no longer have my K as a 2nd benzo backup. Some suggest to me that I should drop 5% every three weeks. I'm truly afraid of going too fast. I don't mind the waiting. What do you think? I am now thinking that my daily cuts should be smaller. But I don't know how to do the math to get there, like you did for me. Help!

Bets

  No, I really don't think 5% per 14 days is too fast.  Actually, my starting rate was 4% per 14 days,and because I experienced ZERO sxs, I feel certain I could have gone faster.

 

If you really want to do a slower taper:

 

1) pick a rate (eg. .35%/14 days)

2) multiply that rate times your dose (eg. .35x70=2.45mg

3) divide that by 14 days (2.45/14=.175 daily cut.

 

Just plug in whatever numbers you want to use.  (%xdose/14=daily cut.)

 

 

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Hi, Sharkey!!!

 

 

OK, I be quiet now. (Maybe.)

 

Hi Gardener

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builder: If it took you two years off 9 mg, do you think my daily cuts off 70 mg are too much at .25 mg a day, at first? That is 5% every two weeks. Should I slow it down? I will no longer have my K as a 2nd benzo backup. Some suggest to me that I should drop 5% every three weeks. I'm truly afraid of going too fast. I don't mind the waiting. What do you think? I am now thinking that my daily cuts should be smaller. But I don't know how to do the math to get there, like you did for me. Help!

Bets

  No, I really don't think 5% per 14 days is too fast.  Actually, my starting rate was 4% per 14 days,and because I experienced ZERO sxs, I feel certain I could have gone faster.

 

If you really want to do a slower taper:

 

1) pick a rate (eg. .35%/14 days)

2) multiply that rate times your dose (eg. .35x70=2.45mg

3) divide that by 14 days (2.45/14=.175 daily cut.

 

Just plug in whatever numbers you want to use.  (%xdose/14=daily cut.)

 

Thanks builder:

 

I was just concerned when I read that it took you two years to taper off just 9 mg. I have a whopping 70 mg to go.

 

If you say so, then I will do what I originally asked for you to figure out for me. I will drop the first 14 days by .35 mg, see what happens and go from there. If I get a bunch of w/d effects, I will do a slower drop rate. TY TY TY. :smitten:

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builder: If it took you two years off 9 mg, do you think my daily cuts off 70 mg are too much at .25 mg a day, at first? That is 5% every two weeks. Should I slow it down? I will no longer have my K as a 2nd benzo backup. Some suggest to me that I should drop 5% every three weeks. I'm truly afraid of going too fast. I don't mind the waiting. What do you think? I am now thinking that my daily cuts should be smaller. But I don't know how to do the math to get there, like you did for me. Help!

Bets

  No, I really don't think 5% per 14 days is too fast.  Actually, my starting rate was 4% per 14 days,and because I experienced ZERO sxs, I feel certain I could have gone faster.

 

If you really want to do a slower taper:

 

1) pick a rate (eg. .35%/14 days)

2) multiply that rate times your dose (eg. .35x70=2.45mg

3) divide that by 14 days (2.45/14=.175 daily cut.

 

Just plug in whatever numbers you want to use.  (%xdose/14=daily cut.)

 

Thanks builder:

 

I was just concerned when I read that it took you two years to taper off just 9 mg. I have a whopping 70 mg to go.

 

If you say so, then I will do what I originally asked for you to figure out for me. I will drop the first 14 days by .35 mg, see what happens and go from there. If I get a bunch of w/d effects, I will do a slower drop rate. TY TY TY. :smitten:

Bet`s i freaked over what builder said also i have 45mgs of Valium to taper after i get off the .345mgs k left  :'( ~CD

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Hi Sharkey and thank you so much for your help.  I really mean it, cannot thank you enough for taking the time to explain this to me - I'm brain dead right now.  I do have a couple of questions .

I forgot to add that I take the extra 2.5 ( pill form) at 9pm.

My question is ( I am so math challenged) is what is 100 mls solution equal to?  One 10 mg pill?  And alcohol has been an issue for me in the past - Thinking maybe dissolving it in milk would be better....I have heard that you can use whole milk. I don't mind making up solutions everyday.

So I would need to be drinking 3 batches of this solution each day ( in addition to the 2.5 mg pill that I take at night) ?  And do this for two weeks before starting to titrate ?  Is that to acclimate my body to the liquid solution ?  I know I need to hold for a while right now anyway because I'm in such bad shape from the psychiatrist's way of titrating which is a whole mg at a time and then I totally crash and burn and hence I'm in bed now.  And do you recommend reducing one dose at a time or a little out of each dose?  Like should I get rid of the night dose totally first ?  The psych has no idea what he is doing.  As far as I'm concerned he's just someone who will prescribe for me. He's nice but doesn't know how hard this process is.    And if I use milk ,  would I dissolve the ten mg pill in 3 mls of whole milk and add the rest 97 mls water?    I might have some more questions .  Thank you soo so much.  And Moodle too, for putting me in touch with you.  It is so wonderful to have people who are living it, or have lived it - as opposed to the doctors who have no idea, despite all their medical knowledge. 

Can this be stored in a plastic container or does it have to be glass?

Thank you, and bless you!

 

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Hi Sharkey and thank you so much for your help.  I really mean it, cannot thank you enough for taking the time to explain this to me - I'm brain dead right now.  I do have a couple of questions .

I forgot to add that I take the extra 2.5 ( pill form) at 9pm.

My question is ( I am so math challenged) is what is 100 mls solution equal to?

100ml =  10mg V if you make the solution like I explained

One 10 mg pill?  And alcohol has been an issue for me in the past - Thinking maybe dissolving it in milk would be better....I have heard that you can use whole milk. I don't mind making up solutions everyday.

Milk has worked for people.  If you use milk make sure it is homogenized and full fat milk.  you would add the pill to 100ml milk

So I would need to be drinking 3 batches of this solution each day ( in addition to the 2.5 mg pill that I take at night) ?

Yes if you have the time change the 3 batches to liquid.  Then you can reduce a little from each batch at a time

And do this for two weeks before starting to titrate ? 

Yes

Is that to acclimate my body to the liquid solution ?

Yes

I know I need to hold for a while right now anyway because I'm in such bad shape from the psychiatrist's way of titrating which is a whole mg at a time and then I totally crash and burn and hence I'm in bed now. 

And do you recommend reducing one dose at a time or a little out of each dose?

Yes

Like should I get rid of the night dose totally first ?

How are you sleeping? You really only need valium 2 or 3 times a day.  So you could elimate the 2.5mg first

The psych has no idea what he is doing.  As far as I'm concerned he's just someone who will prescribe for me. He's nice but doesn't know how hard this process is.    And if I use milk ,  would I dissolve the ten mg pill in 3 mls of whole milk and add the rest 97 mls water?

10mg pill dissolved in 100ml of full fat milk

 

I might have some more questions .  Thank you soo so much.  And Moodle too, for putting me in touch with you.  It is so wonderful to have people who are living it, or have lived it - as opposed to the doctors who have no idea, despite all their medical knowledge. 

Can this be stored in a plastic container or does it have to be glass?

Thank you, and bless you!

 

See responses in BOLD

[[mi...]]

Hello, I am currently trying to stabilize on 1mg of Klonopin after being up and down all month without realizing I was in withdrawal. I thought I was having some prolonged bad reaction to some Prozac that I only took for five days. I have been on Klonopin since June 8th. I was prescribed .5 mg, and I dosed sporadically the whole time, sometimes less, sometimes more, sometimes none for several days. I'm hoping I'll even be able to stabilize at 1mg because I feel weird after I take the Klonopin now. Almost more foggy, and my balance gets worse when I take it?

 

I am in such a brain fog and the whole idea of daily micro tapering is overwhelming, but has been suggested to me as the best way to get off of this nasty drug. I would like to get off of it as soon as possible, but also as safely as possible. If and when I am able to stabilize, I would like to start my daily micro taper and was hoping someone could help me with a plan. I would like to cut 10% every 7-10 days if that seems like a reasonable amount?

 

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am so grateful to have found this forum.

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Hello, I am currently trying to stabilize on 1mg of Klonopin after being up and down all month without realizing I was in withdrawal. I thought I was having some prolonged bad reaction to some Prozac that I only took for five days. I have been on Klonopin since June 8th. I was prescribed .5 mg, and I dosed sporadically the whole time, sometimes less, sometimes more, sometimes none for several days. I'm hoping I'll even be able to stabilize at 1mg because I feel weird after I take the Klonopin now. Almost more foggy, and my balance gets worse when I take it?

 

I am in such a brain fog and the whole idea of daily micro tapering is overwhelming, but has been suggested to me as the best way to get off of this nasty drug. I would like to get off of it as soon as possible, but also as safely as possible. If and when I am able to stabilize, I would like to start my daily micro taper and was hoping someone could help me with a plan. I would like to cut 10% every 7-10 days if that seems like a reasonable amount?

 

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am so grateful to have found this forum.

 

Yeah, get on a steady consistent dose, that is the first step.  You have not been on long so you may be able to go faster, but it is best not to assume that.  10% every 7-10 days is pretty aggressive to start.  I usually suggest starting below 10% a month.  In your case 10% a month might be a good starting point since you don't know how you will react.  If you were to break that into daily cuts that would be .003mg per day, which is what I recommend.  You could try that for a few weeks and adjust from there.

[[Be...]]

Hello, I am currently trying to stabilize on 1mg of Klonopin after being up and down all month without realizing I was in withdrawal. I thought I was having some prolonged bad reaction to some Prozac that I only took for five days. I have been on Klonopin since June 8th. I was prescribed .5 mg, and I dosed sporadically the whole time, sometimes less, sometimes more, sometimes none for several days. I'm hoping I'll even be able to stabilize at 1mg because I feel weird after I take the Klonopin now. Almost more foggy, and my balance gets worse when I take it?

 

I am in such a brain fog and the whole idea of daily micro tapering is overwhelming, but has been suggested to me as the best way to get off of this nasty drug. I would like to get off of it as soon as possible, but also as safely as possible. If and when I am able to stabilize, I would like to start my daily micro taper and was hoping someone could help me with a plan. I would like to cut 10% every 7-10 days if that seems like a reasonable amount?

 

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am so grateful to have found this forum.

 

Yeah, get on a steady consistent dose, that is the first step.  You have not been on long so you may be able to go faster, but it is best not to assume that.  10% every 7-10 days is pretty aggressive to start.  I usually suggest starting below 10% a month.  In your case 10% a month might be a good starting point since you don't know how you will react.  If you were to break that into daily cuts that would be .003mg per day, which is what I recommend.  You could try that for a few weeks and adjust from there.

 

You'll need a scale, missb. And to know how to make that cut much off, you'll need to provide an average weight for 10 of your pills. Then the conversion of mg to grams gets done, because you can only cut grams on a scale. We help figure this. You will do much better than you are now if you use this method.

[[Mo...]]

Hi Sharkey and thank you so much for your help.  I really mean it, cannot thank you enough for taking the time to explain this to me - I'm brain dead right now.  I do have a couple of questions .

I forgot to add that I take the extra 2.5 ( pill form) at 9pm.

My question is ( I am so math challenged) is what is 100 mls solution equal to?

100ml =  10mg V if you make the solution like I explained

One 10 mg pill?  And alcohol has been an issue for me in the past - Thinking maybe dissolving it in milk would be better....I have heard that you can use whole milk. I don't mind making up solutions everyday.

Milk has worked for people.  If you use milk make sure it is homogenized and full fat milk.  you would add the pill to 100ml milk

So I would need to be drinking 3 batches of this solution each day ( in addition to the 2.5 mg pill that I take at night) ?

Yes if you have the time change the 3 batches to liquid.  Then you can reduce a little from each batch at a time

And do this for two weeks before starting to titrate ? 

Yes

Is that to acclimate my body to the liquid solution ?

Yes

I know I need to hold for a while right now anyway because I'm in such bad shape from the psychiatrist's way of titrating which is a whole mg at a time and then I totally crash and burn and hence I'm in bed now. 

And do you recommend reducing one dose at a time or a little out of each dose?

Yes

Like should I get rid of the night dose totally first ?

How are you sleeping? You really only need valium 2 or 3 times a day.  So you could elimate the 2.5mg first

The psych has no idea what he is doing.  As far as I'm concerned he's just someone who will prescribe for me. He's nice but doesn't know how hard this process is.    And if I use milk ,  would I dissolve the ten mg pill in 3 mls of whole milk and add the rest 97 mls water?

10mg pill dissolved in 100ml of full fat milk

 

I might have some more questions .  Thank you soo so much.  And Moodle too, for putting me in touch with you.  It is so wonderful to have people who are living it, or have lived it - as opposed to the doctors who have no idea, despite all their medical knowledge. 

Can this be stored in a plastic container or does it have to be glass?

Thank you, and bless you!

 

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Sharkey, I got a pm from Djd.

Confused about liquefying ALL doses.

 

I told her that you replace a part of your dose with liquid so that's where the questions come form, I think.

 

To resume and make sure it's all together and correct :

 

So, you're saying ... drop 10 mgr pill in 100 ml of full fat milk .

Stay on it for ten days or so to get used to the process.

Then cut by 0.5 ml a day,which  would be 0.05 mgr?

 

I'd say maybe it's handy to " attack " one dose at a time and not liquefy all doses for now, since she is in a bad way. Make it simple ?

 

 

I guess what I didn't get is the 0.5 drop which seems large, but I didn't see you said 10 mgr pills.

I got confused with the 0.5 ml drops.

 

Can anyone good at math confirm this please?

I try to help out but am limited in the brain capacity at the moment. ( and number challenged in general I guess )

 

Thank you anyone for responding. Djd is holding for now but is anxious about this process, which I can understand if you're going to try something new and don't understand it or have no plan in writing.

 

[[mi...]]

I'm probably seeming really inpatient because 10% a month seems so slow.  I just graduated in May and am an unemployed single mother of a 5 year old. I'm living with my parents who are financially supporting me while I can't work, so I would love to get off the drug as soon as safely possible. Would 10% every 14 days be okay, and if it seems too much I can slow it down? I really am not trying to offend as I know everyone here has much more experience with all of this than my benzo brain can even slightly comprehend.

 

Are people able to work while tapering off of these drugs? I have no idea as to what to expect, but I do know that with this acute withdrawal that I was in I was completely non functional most days. My degree is in the medical field and I would not want to put patients in danger due to brain fog or anything like that. Do symptoms get better or worse the lower you go?

 

Thank you for the support. I swear if I wouldn't have found this site I would be so lost, I have never felt more alone in my whole life as no one who has never been on these drugs could possibly understand the suffering.

 

Also, any suggestions on a certain type of scale to buy? I have no idea what I'm looking for. Thanks again. 

[[mi...]]

Hello, I am currently trying to stabilize on 1mg of Klonopin after being up and down all month without realizing I was in withdrawal. I thought I was having some prolonged bad reaction to some Prozac that I only took for five days. I have been on Klonopin since June 8th. I was prescribed .5 mg, and I dosed sporadically the whole time, sometimes less, sometimes more, sometimes none for several days. I'm hoping I'll even be able to stabilize at 1mg because I feel weird after I take the Klonopin now. Almost more foggy, and my balance gets worse when I take it?

 

I am in such a brain fog and the whole idea of daily micro tapering is overwhelming, but has been suggested to me as the best way to get off of this nasty drug. I would like to get off of it as soon as possible, but also as safely as possible. If and when I am able to stabilize, I would like to start my daily micro taper and was hoping someone could help me with a plan. I would like to cut 10% every 7-10 days if that seems like a reasonable amount?

 

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am so grateful to have found this forum.

 

Yeah, get on a steady consistent dose, that is the first step.  You have not been on long so you may be able to go faster, but it is best not to assume that.  10% every 7-10 days is pretty aggressive to start.  I usually suggest starting below 10% a month.  In your case 10% a month might be a good starting point since you don't know how you will react.  If you were to break that into daily cuts that would be .003mg per day, which is what I recommend.  You could try that for a few weeks and adjust from there.

 

You'll need a scale, missb. And to know how to make that cut much off, you'll need to provide an average weight for 10 of your pills. Then the conversion of mg to grams gets done, because you can only cut grams on a scale. We help figure this. You will do much better than you are now if you use this method.

 

I'm in quite a bit of a fog, but why do we have to get the average weight of 10 pills? My brain is fried right now. 

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I'm probably seeming really inpatient because 10% a month seems so slow.  I just graduated in May and am an unemployed single mother of a 5 year old. I'm living with my parents who are financially supporting me while I can't work, so I would love to get off the drug as soon as safely possible. Would 10% every 14 days be okay, and if it seems too much I can slow it down? I really am not trying to offend as I know everyone here has much more experience with all of this than my benzo brain can even slightly comprehend.

 

Are people able to work while tapering off of these drugs? I have no idea as to what to expect, but I do know that with this acute withdrawal that I was in I was completely non functional most days. My degree is in the medical field and I would not want to put patients in danger due to brain fog or anything like that. Do symptoms get better or worse the lower you go?

 

Thank you for the support. I swear if I wouldn't have found this site I would be so lost, I have never felt more alone in my whole life as no one who has never been on these drugs could possibly understand the suffering.

 

Also, any suggestions on a certain type of scale to buy? I have no idea what I'm looking for. Thanks again. 

 

It's your taper and you can do whatever you want.  We will still support you.  But there is no way I would ever suggest someone begin that high when they do not yet know what rate they can handle.  It is much better to creep up feeling good than to crash and have to fix it.  The acute withdrawal you experienced was just a small taste of what these drugs can dish out.  And it can be long term.  If you go about it properly your life can be pretty normal.  You can do this with a scale and filing pills, but a better (and preferred) way is to liquify the K.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP1JOtz-uPc = scale ! Gem 20 is the name !$25.00 amozon ebay etc. 

[[mi...]]

I'm probably seeming really inpatient because 10% a month seems so slow.  I just graduated in May and am an unemployed single mother of a 5 year old. I'm living with my parents who are financially supporting me while I can't work, so I would love to get off the drug as soon as safely possible. Would 10% every 14 days be okay, and if it seems too much I can slow it down? I really am not trying to offend as I know everyone here has much more experience with all of this than my benzo brain can even slightly comprehend.

 

Are people able to work while tapering off of these drugs? I have no idea as to what to expect, but I do know that with this acute withdrawal that I was in I was completely non functional most days. My degree is in the medical field and I would not want to put patients in danger due to brain fog or anything like that. Do symptoms get better or worse the lower you go?

 

Thank you for the support. I swear if I wouldn't have found this site I would be so lost, I have never felt more alone in my whole life as no one who has never been on these drugs could possibly understand the suffering.

 

Also, any suggestions on a certain type of scale to buy? I have no idea what I'm looking for. Thanks again. 

 

It's your taper and you can do whatever you want.  We will still support you.  But there is no way I would ever suggest someone begin that high when they do not yet know what rate they can handle.  It is much better to creep up feeling good than to crash and have to fix it.  The acute withdrawal you experienced was just a small taste of what these drugs can dish out.  And it can be long term.  If you go about it properly your life can be pretty normal.  You can do this with a scale and filing pills, but a better (and preferred) way is to liquify the K.

 

I will go with your suggestion and take it slow. My brain is foggy so I will still have to figure out how I am going to do this properly when I can barely understand some of the posts lol. How can I liquify my K, and extract the right amount? And after the 10% the first month, then is it okay to go faster, or do I stick with 10% reduction per month the whole time? Also how do you measure .003 in liquid? Sorry for all the questions. 

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My brain is too foggy to read very many posts but I just posted on k thread about percentages. I am prob going too fast since I hate wasting pills. I am almost down to .125 though and should probably be more careful since I no longer now what percentage I have been cutting lately.

 

I started August with a weight of .086 and am now down to .075 if anyone can do that math for me. I weighed the .25 pill and half would be .60 so I am down further than I expected. Oops. I don't care to uptick, I have been in tolerance withdrawal many years but I am having rough spots when time of month gets to me (past few days). I am in a ton of pain from pelvic issues I am about to go in for anyway so I don't care as long as I am not completely debilitated. I know that sounds nuts, that is what got  me here was fear of pain.

 

Sorry I have not been around.one  day soon to be helping everyone else!!!

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Dialectical behavioral therapy is used to treat many things now like substance abuse, eating disorders etc. it has been very helpful for my anxiety and PTSD symptoms. It combines CBT, dialectical thinking, and mindfulness. I will go into more on gardeners blog later or if anyone else is interested. IMO It really teaces skills that would be helpful to anyone. It would definitely be helpful for coping with tapering off benzos. I hope everyone has helpful coping skills for when things get tough!

 

XO Maya

 

Thanks, Maya! This sounds very cool.  Especially if you explain it in little, easy-to-understand pieces!

Gardener,

I would be happy to! It is very easy to explain and understand. I will come back over to your blog again soon. I have so many handouts on DBT that I wish I could just send anyone who was interested. IMHO DBT can be helpful to anyone, especially if they are going through a benzo taper. I love how you are always willing to try new things. Maybe your therapist might know about DBT or if not CBT and mindfulness. I am no longer seeing a DBT therapist, but my therapist now does know about it. She knows more about CBT which a component about DBT.

 

XO Maya 

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It's your taper and you can do whatever you want.  We will still support you.  But there is no way I would ever suggest someone begin that high when they do not yet know what rate they can handle.  It is much better to creep up feeling good than to crash and have to fix it.  The acute withdrawal you experienced was just a small taste of what these drugs can dish out.  And it can be long term.  If you go about it properly your life can be pretty normal.  You can do this with a scale and filing pills, but a better (and preferred) way is to liquify the K.

 

I will go with your suggestion and take it slow. My brain is foggy so I will still have to figure out how I am going to do this properly when I can barely understand some of the posts lol. How can I liquify my K, and extract the right amount? And after the 10% the first month, then is it okay to go faster, or do I stick with 10% reduction per month the whole time? Also how do you measure .003 in liquid? Sorry for all the questions. 

 

Not rushing into this will be time well spent.  Liquifying frees you from the limitations of the scale...it is cheaper, more accurate, and more reliable.  All you need is a 1ml and 10ml syringe and as many jars as you have doses in a day.  When I say "10% a month" that is just a the rate.  You can test that rate for as little as two weeks to get an good idea of whether to adjust up or down.