PLEASE DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL WHEN YOU FEEL RECOVERED

[[Ji...]]

Who has infiltrated the boards? whats all the talk about disinformation?

[[Di...]]

 

Fellow BB's,

 

Disinformation comes in many forms. It is not the same as misinformation which is:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation

 

Often, it can be from trusted sources. Please be careful. Take the time to look at fellow BB's posts and signatures. Often, disinformation is a deliberate attempt to sway you from your current thinking. Combine that with money and power. Now it is up to you to do your homework.

 

Billions are spent on psychotropic drugs every year. For those of you that have tapered off successfully, wonderful! But please look at the previous posts and tapers. Do any of you seriously think these message boards have not been infiltrated? That you are not being played for the fool? 

 

It's in our hearts to trust those who are suffering. And I encourage you to do so. I am just asking everyone to do their due diligence....

 

 

So are you saying that there are folks in here who are not genuine?  And are deliberately giving out incorrect advice? 

[[ba...]]

Sorry guys,

 

I was extra pissy last night. But yes. In every forum there are trolls who spread disinformation. Posers whose job it is to cause doubt. If you can convince one person to doubt what they believe to be true, a domino effect can occur. I'm not finger pointing, but I always find it amusing when some step forward and take ownership, even when I have not named names.    And I'm not naming names now.

 

I wasn't going to reply and kind of hoped people would just let it go. I'm not here to create arguments. So I will just say this:

 

In no way do I believe Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Syndrome is isolated to a select few or small minority. I'll even go so far to say that this syndrome is highly prevalent in those who discontinue these "medications". If you take a step back and read the anecdotal evidence in BB's, it is clear this issue has been largely ignored by the medical community. If the medical community is ignorant, or complicit, how in the world would they statistically know the prevalence of something they don't understand?

 

Do i have a chip on my shoulder? You bet! Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker really opened my eyes to the relationship between Big Phama, the APA, and the FDA.

 

I will not respond to any other posts directed to mine. Please, let's not dilute this important thread that I misdirected. Again, my apologies.

 

Hugs to all!

[[al...]]

 

]I erased my posting...do not want to steer off topic....I assure you I am not a troll. just passing on info I got from my doctor who is a benzo w/d specialist with 30 years  clinical experience....just sharing. interpret the way you wish.

[[ec...]]

klonodon,I agree could you imagine how many people may be in psyh wards,or are told by their docs that they should stay on these drugs because they are mentally ill never to heal from the drug.It horrifies me

 

 

 

[[al...]]

don't want to argue

[[Sk...]]

Sorry guys,

 

I was extra pissy last night. But yes. In every forum there are trolls who spread disinformation. Posers whose job it is to cause doubt. If you can convince one person to doubt what they believe to be true, a domino effect can occur. I'm not finger pointing, but I always find it amusing when some step forward and take ownership, even when I have not named names.    And I'm not naming names now.

 

I wasn't going to reply and kind of hoped people would just let it go. I'm not here to create arguments. So I will just say this:

 

In no way do I believe Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Syndrome is isolated to a select few or small minority. I'll even go so far to say that this syndrome is highly prevalent in those who discontinue these "medications". If you take a step back and read the anecdotal evidence in BB's, it is clear this issue has been largely ignored by the medical community. If the medical community is ignorant, or complicit, how in the world would they statistically know the prevalence of something they don't understand?

 

Do i have a chip on my shoulder? You bet! Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker really opened my eyes to the relationship between Big Phama, the APA, and the FDA.

 

I will not respond to any other posts directed to mine. Please, let's not dilute this important thread that I misdirected. Again, my apologies.

 

Hugs to all!

[[Ja...]]

Not saying everyone should do this but I drink now sometimes and I am fine. Everyone is different but it's good information to put out there to be careful.

[[Sk...]]

I had a sip of a chocolate martini last night and it was good and did not make my withdraw symptoms worse.  It was just a sip.  I wasn't about to drink a whole drink though. 

 

It would be nice to have a drink here and there when my taper is over and my brain is all the way healed.

 

-SZ-

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Okay, my withdrawel was not too bad....I was terrible sick for about 6 days, then it was over. I always had my friday- night- drink, also when on benzos. But since I am off, larger amounts of alcohol give me a week of hangover, so I have to try not to drink too much. I don`t want to say "No" to everything, I want to enjoy my life as long as I can, but I noticed that my toleranz for alcohol has changed very much since I was on benzos. So I think, there is a lot of truth in the things others say here. Of course, everybody reacts different, and I speak only for myself. 

 

See this is what a lot of people are afraid of and I hate when people ignore the fact that the benzo changed something in our brain for "an undetermined amount of time."  Coming off the benzos took away everything that I enjoy already and it's a sin that it can take away your ability to enjoy life and socializing with alcohol is one of those things.

 

So in summary, a Dr. prescribed us a drug long-term which is against the manufacturer's recommendation and it literally changed our personality and physiology to a point that we can''t do things that we did prior to taking the drug!?!?  And it's nearly impossible to sue or gain any sort of repercussion for this.  It is TOTALLY different if you drank soda and ate McDonald's everyday and came down with diabetes and high blood pressure. 

 

 

[[Bo...]]

Not saying everyone should do this but I drink now sometimes and I am fine. Everyone is different but it's good information to put out there to be careful.

 

I'm sure I'd be fine if I had a few drinks too. I'm not going to yet tho. My sleeping is still all messed up and alcohol usually made it difficult for me sleep pre-benzo.

Okay, my withdrawel was not too bad....I was terrible sick for about 6 days, then it was over. I always had my friday- night- drink, also when on benzos. But since I am off, larger amounts of alcohol give me a week of hangover, so I have to try not to drink too much. I don`t want to say "No" to everything, I want to enjoy my life as long as I can, but I noticed that my toleranz for alcohol has changed very much since I was on benzos. So I think, there is a lot of truth in the things others say here. Of course, everybody reacts different, and I speak only for myself. 

 

See this is what a lot of people are afraid of and I hate when people ignore the fact that the benzo changed something in our brain for "an undetermined amount of time."  Coming off the benzos took away everything that I enjoy already and it's a sin that it can take away your ability to enjoy life and socializing with alcohol is one of those things.

 

So in summary, a Dr. prescribed us a drug long-term which is against the manufacturer's recommendation and it literally changed our personality and physiology to a point that we can''t do things that we did prior to taking the drug!?!?  And it's nearly impossible to sue or gain any sort of repercussion for this.  It is TOTALLY different if you drank soda and ate McDonald's everyday and came down with diabetes and high blood pressure. 

 

 

 

I feel your frustration. I'm glad I quit before I got in too deep. I had one Dr. recommend K-pin and three tell me not to take it. I even researched it before I took it. The whole time I was on it the pharmacist even told me it was the devil but I kept taking it anyway. At the time it was a lifesaver as I was dealing with pretty serious PTSD. I could be mad at the Dr. who wrote the script, but to be honest it wouldn't help me heal any faster and I know for a fact she wasn't trying to harm me. I also know that after seeing me WD she'll think twice before prescribing it to another person again. Or maybe she won't.... Either way I've learned a lesson from all of this. There's no such thing as a free lunch!

 

Many of us on this board are quick to pop a pill to try and solve our problems. I am without a doubt one of these people. Even now I'm taking vitamins and magnesium and whatever else I can to make this stop.... But what can you do? I just take it one day at a time and try and learn something along the way.

 

 

 

 

 

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The majority of people I know personally who have withdrawn from benzos have done so without too much fuss or bother, so I have no problem believing that it is "some minority" of people who have serious problems, since this jives with my personal experience.

 

I think it's a little conspiratorial to imply that forums must be infiltrated. This implies that pharmaceutical companies employ analysts to assume alter egos online and spread misinformation. That sounds fairly loony to me.

[[Sk...]]

I drank a tiny chocolate daiquiri the other night and I payed for it the next day!  OMG!  Never again.

 

It was so delicious though. 

 

-SZ-

[[Po...]]

I have had a shot of brandy and water occasionally and the only bad thing is getting weepy.  Sometimes it just makes me feel good and relaxed.  With the eye problem I really don't care much about the reaction to alcohol.  I don't drink near the time I am due a pill dosage.  It is at least 2 1/2 hours away.  There comes a time when everything is going wrong that it helps.  Married 50 years today and no big deal.  When you feel no one cares, why should I.

[[he...]]

Popcornlady....I care!!! I honor you for many years of service to your 50 years of marriage. It takes a lot of courage and staying power and a great women as yourself to have gone the distance.....The bumpy road of marriage is a journey in it's self. A great women is the one who has the courage to stay during the "really" tough times, ALL marriages have these, no one escapes them. My words typing here are not enough!!! If I was more knowledgeable in computers I would have a big bouquet of flowers ( insert here) and great other pictures ( inserted here) for you.

 

  I celebrate YOU on this day.....my heart is bursting for you.....sending you Love from just lil ol' me  ,    Jude 

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The majority of people I know personally who have withdrawn from benzos have done so without too much fuss or bother, so I have no problem believing that it is "some minority" of people who have serious problems, since this jives with my personal experience.

 

I think it's a little conspiratorial to imply that forums must be infiltrated. This implies that pharmaceutical companies employ analysts to assume alter egos online and spread misinformation. That sounds fairly loony to me.

Just out of interest: for how long were they taking them, what was their dose and which benzo did they take? I'm pretty sure that most people don't have problems at all coming off a small dose for a short period of time, but I'm pretty much convinced that people who take very high doses for an extended period of time are most likely to suffer from severe withdrawal symptoms. Do you know anything about that?

[[Ca...]]

I took 1.5 mg of xanax for less than 6 months....suffered for two years, still feel effects. I am not sure how much dose and length mean.

 

-CL

[[al...]]

my benzo w/d doctor confirmed this...he has 30 years experience.....he said it is not dose or time specific. just individual. we are the unlucky ones.

[[Ca...]]

my benzo w/d doctor confirmed this...he has 30 years experience.....he said it is not dose or time specific. just individual. we are the unlucky ones.

 

Amazing is it not? Thank you for your post.....did your doc say anything about recovery?

 

-CL

[[...]]

I think avoiding life can be just as dangerous as alcohol in recovery.

That is a great observation.

 

What I've done is switch to the lowest caliber beer on the planet..domestics. Miller and the like. It's so weak it can't create as much havoc.

[[Ha...]]

Don't know about the 'benzo doctor' part- meaning, how much one can trust them. I know of another member from this board who went to several supposedly labeled so, and ended up just as bad off as he was before, i.e. with his primary one. I suppose you may be forced to locating one, however, if your regular wont accept a taper plan. In that case it will probably be absolutely necessary.

 

Concerning alcohol- it is indeed a big thing to watch out for. And Possibly even more so if you have no history of drinking- your sensitivity may be like mine, and be off the charts. The other day I was in a social situation where I had to be around people who were drinking wine- one of them only several feet away from me made a joke, laughed, and then I immediately picked up that alcohol scent- two hours later I crashed for an hour nap (unusual for me) and had a headache and felt doozy the following morning. Unfortunately, you may not always be in control of a situation like that- so you can only do so much to avoid.

 

 

[[...]]

Concerning alcohol- it is indeed a big thing to watch out for. And Possibly even more so if you have no history of drinking- your sensitivity may be like mine, and be off the charts. The other day I was in a social situation where I had to be around people who were drinking wine- one of them only several feet away from me made a joke, laughed, and then I immediately picked up that alcohol scent- two hours later I crashed for an hour nap (unusual for me) and had a headache and felt doozy the following morning. Unfortunately, you may not always be in control of a situation like that- so you can only do so much to avoid.

 

Are you saying you were affected by the fumes?

[[Ha...]]

Are you saying you were affected by the fumes?

 

Honestly, I couldn't imagine it had been anything else- and what's strange is, it was just really one noticeable inhale, until I moved to a different part of the room. I definitely felt symptomatic in general the few days following, feeling more weak and lethargic than normal as well. I also napped for more than an hour the following day, with another headache and some return tinnitus. Another similar experience earlier in my withdrawal leads me to believe for a portion of us it really only takes a minuscule amount of alcohol to throw your system out of whack. Or, from bad to worse!

 

Also, there is reason to suspect that alcohol inhaled of any type is more potent than that consumed orally, even if it is not your intention to inhale. I think it has to do with how the body metabolizes it, which would explain why breathing in so little of it can cause symptom flare up's in us. Also, another reason for concern- as suggested by the OP's message, is the alcohol simply causing prolonged increased in symptoms, or is it literally causing us a setback? All the more reason to stay away from it.

 

 

 

 

 

[[Bo...]]

Don't know about the 'benzo doctor' part- meaning, how much one can trust them. I know of another member from this board who went to several supposedly labeled so, and ended up just as bad off as he was before, i.e. with his primary one. I suppose you may be forced to locating one, however, if your regular wont accept a taper plan. In that case it will probably be absolutely necessary.

 

Concerning alcohol- it is indeed a big thing to watch out for. And Possibly even more so if you have no history of drinking- your sensitivity may be like mine, and be off the charts. The other day I was in a social situation where I had to be around people who were drinking wine- one of them only several feet away from me made a joke, laughed, and then I immediately picked up that alcohol scent- two hours later I crashed for an hour nap (unusual for me) and had a headache and felt doozy the following morning. Unfortunately, you may not always be in control of a situation like that- so you can only do so much to avoid.

 

Alcohol had nothing to do with any flare up you were having.

[[Ca...]]

Boognish.

That is certainly your opinion but can you be so certain ?

I just read an article in the paper a few days ago about inhaling alcohol into the lungs which then goes directly into the blood stream.

 

Carol