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[Lu...]

So I just tried getting hydroxzine fron the same doctor that had no problem giving me Xanax for 6 months without a face to face interview now all of sudden after I told her that I dealing with insomnia and WD symptoms she’s telling me that’s only happening because I went cold turkey vs tapering. She’s giving me a hard time on getting these meds to sleep but had no problem for 6 months giving me poison. 

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At least she acknowledges that benzo withdrawal is the problem. Some other doctors would have assumed it should have been completely over by now and thus possibly diagnose you with other disorders.

Not sure why she didn't want to let you try Hydrox for your insomnia. I know some doctors don't like when patients come in with a medication in mind and would prefer you just state your symptoms and let them choose.

I know you were upset about not knowing the full extent of xanax withdrawal. Did you let any of that frustration loose on the prescribing doctor? That could also be a factor.

She may be upset that you stopped the med without consulting her, making her view you as noncompliant. Also possible she thinks you are only suffering this much because you abused xanax.

I could try to think of many reasons, but none of it matters now. Did she offer anything to help you besides an AD or getting back on benzos?

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[Lu...]

Yea melatonin and was trying to rush me off phone. She wanted nothing to do with the phone call. She was the the doctor that prescribed it to me 

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35 minutes ago, [[L...] said:

Yea melatonin and was trying to rush me off phone. She wanted nothing to do with the phone call. She was the the doctor that prescribed it to me 

Yeah, that often is the case for many that when a patient struggles because of benzo use a doctor drops them or pushes them to a psychiatrist. 

How are you doing outside of Insomnia Luis? Seen any minor improvements or lessening of symptoms?

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It's rough. My prescribing doctor pushed me onto a psych d, a pain specialist, a sleep disorder psychologist and a general doctor. I just did whatever he said to do. I was exceedingly compliant, even though he seemed like the doctor from hell to me.  At this point he knows I've jumped through all of his hoops so if I ask for something, which I have, twice, he says, "Good idea," and gives it to me. 

Your doctor is blaming the victim. It's classic and it's just another form of gaslighting. So creepy!  You'd very likely have had exactly the same sleep issues whether going cold turkey or tapering. Going slow lightens the symptoms sometimes, it doesn't take them away!

Doctors do seem to hate it when patients take the initiative. Ugh. A lot of people have some success with mirtazepine at very low doses, like 3.75 mg or 7.5 mg. You do have to taper it later, which is a pain, but it's regularly used for clonazepam withdrawals in addiction clinics. Gabapentin might help too but hard to say. Warm baths before sleep work, if you can take them. A lot of people can't. Chamomile tea does actually help, but only if it's German. Many chamomile teas have no soporific effect; only those imported from Germany always do. 

If you decide to go the CBD route, be sure and start super low. Also be sure you get an Indica strain and not Sativa. Avoid Sativa at all costs; some are even precipitating panic attacks in CA. Indica is sometimes jokingly called 'in da couch' because it's so relaxing. Also much harder to find, but it's out there.

Best of luck! You'll get there!

HCHC
 

 

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2 hours ago, [[H...] said:

Chamomile tea does actually help, but only if it's German. Many chamomile teas have no soporific effect; only those imported from Germany always do. 

Is this true? Just wondering because my chamomile tea isn't imported from Germany.

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12 hours ago, [[L...] said:

So I just tried getting hydroxzine fron the same doctor that had no problem giving me Xanax for 6 months without a face to face interview now all of sudden after I told her that I dealing with insomnia and WD symptoms she’s telling me that’s only happening because I went cold turkey vs tapering. She’s giving me a hard time on getting these meds to sleep but had no problem for 6 months giving me poison. 

This is common. Drs get an ego and dont want to listen to their patients thinking they know more than you. I have been going through this myself. I just give up on my dr and deal with this myself. It seems he has no idea about this so he is useless to me other than write prescriptions. 

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On 21/06/2024 at 01:32, [[A...] said:

@[Ho...]

Is this true? Just wondering because my chamomile tea isn't imported from Germany.

Yes. I can't recommend any chamomile tea that doesn't originate in Germany. I tried so many and couldn't figure out why some worked and some didn't, until I discovered the origins. I couldn't believe it!

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1 hour ago, [[H...] said:

Yes. I can't recommend any chamomile tea that doesn't originate in Germany. I tried so many and couldn't figure out why some worked and some didn't, until I discovered the origins. I couldn't believe it!

Do you know why that is? Does it have anything to do with the type of chamomile plant used for the tea? 

 

Both German chamomile (Matricaria chamomilla or Matricaria recutita) and Roman chamomile (Chamaemelum nobile) are used for making chamomile tea.

German chamomile is more commonly used for tea and herbal preparations due to its higher chamazulene content, which gives it a more intense blue color and a slightly different flavor profile compared to Roman chamomile. It is often preferred for its stronger medicinal properties, such as anti-inflammatory and calming effects.

Roman chamomile, on the other hand, has a milder flavor and is sometimes used for tea as well, though it is more commonly used in aromatherapy and skin care products due to its gentle nature and pleasant aroma.

Both types of chamomile have similar therapeutic properties, such as promoting relaxation, soothing digestive issues, and supporting sleep. When purchasing chamomile tea, it's useful to check the label to see which type of chamomile is used, although both are generally considered safe and beneficial for consumption.

 

 

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@[Al...], I don't know why that is, but reading your extract it may be that the higher chamazulene content makes the difference. Your extract also states German chamomile is 'often preferred for its stronger medicinal properties, such as anti-inflammatory and calming effects'  while Roman chamomile apparently has fewer medicinal properties.

Your research is great! Mine is based on experience.

Best,

HCHC

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I looked at the two brands of chamomile tea I have and neither one states Roman or German :unsure: just 'chamomile' under ingredients.

Guess I will have to import.

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My chamomile tea (Stash) comes from this country (unless it's secretly imported) and makes me pleasantly drowsy. :classic_unsure: Well, to each his/her own, I guess.

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@[Lu...] I intended to add that my go-to fix for insomnia is Unisom Sleep tabs (Amazon). On my taper and afterwards I must have tried everything else, prescription or non. They are great -- in 30 minutes you'll be snoring (after sipping some chamomile tea). Be sure to order the sleep tabs, not the gels. And start with 1/2 a tab. That works for me. They'll stop working after about a month (tolerance) and I spell them off with CBN Stay Asleep gummies from Charlotte's Web. (I'm disenchanted with CBD . . . it just relaxes me, doesn't put or keep me asleep).

Hope these idea help! Insomnia truly sucks. :hug:

Katz

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[Lu...]

So the doctor just tried to prescribe me trazodone? Or should I stick with hydrOXYzine? 

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Has hydroxyzine worked?

Trazodone is an old AD that is more commonly used for sleep nowadays than depression. Many people find it useful for sleep but like any AD, it does have potential issues like side effects and dependence.

If you have both on hand I wouldn't take both for sleep at the same time. There is a moderate interaction potential for increased chance of heart arrhythmia.

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