Substitution taper from 1mg of Klonopin to Valium

[Guest [Si...]]

Mishi,

 

I did not receive any messages.

 

Post all your information here please.

 

I cannot give you or anyone else tapering advice via PM.

 

Did you receive the message about my information on the  Klonopin that you needed.

 

You need to post all of that here.

 

Thanks. 

 

 

[[mi...]]

Mishi,

 

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I cannot give you or anyone else tapering advice via PM.

 

Did you receive the message about my information on the  Klonopin that you needed.

 

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Thanks. 

 

 

 

Hi Sigma,  I hope you get my message now.  Here it is:  I am titrating 1mg of Klonopin into 96ml of coconut milk..

 

I take 32ml of the solution at 7:am, 32ml at 3:pm, and 32ml at 11:pm.. Oh, Yes my doctor is willing to help me. Now I will continue. thank you.

 

Now, I would like to know the dry cutting dosage of each, Klonopin and Valium.  Could you please give me the schedule for the crossover.

 

If klonopin and Valium are together for the same morning dose, let's say, do you take them at the same time or do you wait a few minutes in between each benzo. Hope to hear from you very soon..

 

Your buddy, Mishi

 

 

 

 

[Guest [Si...]]

I take 32ml of the solution at 7:am, 32ml at 3:pm, and 32ml at 11:pm

 

Mishi,

 

When it comes to crossing to Valium, you will have to, again- cross in stages.

 

If you are going to c/o, you will have to round the doses off.

 

From what I have seen you post, you have more anxiety in the morning, yes?

 

So, you will need to cross-over, and will look something like this-

 

10mg Valium, Morning.

 

5mg Valium, Midday

 

5mg Valium, Night

 

Or

 

10mg Valium, Morning

 

10mg at night

 

= 20mg of Valium = 1mg of Klonopin.

 

When do you see your doctor?

 

And is he Benzo-Wise?

 

S#

[[mi...]]

I take 32ml of the solution at 7:am, 32ml at 3:pm, and 32ml at 11:pm

 

Mishi,

 

When it comes to crossing to Valium, you will have to, again- cross in stages.

 

If you are going to c/o, you will have to round the doses off.

 

From what I have seen you post, you have more anxiety in the morning, yes?

 

So, you will need to cross-over, and will look something like this-

 

10mg Valium, Morning.

 

5mg Valium, Midday

 

5mg Valium, Night

 

Or

 

10mg Valium, Morning

 

10mg at night

 

= 20mg of Valium = 1mg of Klonopin.

 

When do you see your doctor?

 

And is he Benzo-Wise?

 

S#

Mishi,

 

I did not receive any messages.

 

Post all your information here please.

 

I cannot give you or anyone else tapering advice via PM.

 

Did you receive the message about my information on the  Klonopin that you needed.

 

You need to post all of that here.

 

Thanks. 

 

 

 

Dear Sigma, The schedule you gave me was a direct crossover from klonopin to valium..

 

I understood that for about 5 weeks one is suppose to take a mixture of klonopin and Valium.  On the sixth week you are on valium only...What I do not know is the dosage of each Klonopin and Valium for the crossover.

 

Yes Sigma I have more anxiety in the morning.. Please give me the crossover schedule including both benzos...

 

I appreciate your concern for me.. Hope to hear from you.. Thanks, Mishi

[Guest [Si...]]

I see what you're saying.

 

I will write you back here soon.

 

S#

[[mi...]]

I see what you're saying.

 

I will write you back here soon.

 

S#

 

Thank you so much.. Hope you are doing well? 

 

Mishi

[[mi...]]

I see what you're saying.

 

I will write you back here soon.

 

S#

 

Thank you so much.. Hope you are doing well? 

 

Mishi

 

Hi sigma,, Nice talking with you on chat yesterday?  I also want to thank you for bumping up my blog.. I could never find it.. This is much easier for me.

 

I will wait for your reply on the crossover.... Hope you are well today.  Hope to hear from you soon my buddy.  It was fun yesterday on chat.  Of course as you know every day is different...  More good day's to you.. Mishi

[[mi...]]

Dear BB,  I need to  bring the schedule to the doctor on the First of July... I know that you are suppose to get back to me...I am patiently waiting... I am pretty sure that you know my schedule right now on the K... I will be at 1mg june 30th..

 

I appreciate all of your help that you have been giving me here since my jouney has started.. Thank you, Mishi

[[mi...]]

Dear BB,  I need to  bring the schedule to the doctor on the First of July... I know that you are suppose to get back to me...I am patiently waiting... I am pretty sure that you know my schedule right now on the K... I will be at 1mg june 30th..

 

I appreciate all of your help that you have been giving me here since my jouney has started.. Thank you, Mishi

 

Sigma I am looking for you blog.. Could not find it.. I hope you are feeling okay.. I read that you are having health issues.. I hope you are feeling better.. Mishi

[[mi...]]

I just crossed to Valium, and am glad I did.

I tried Klonopin and it didn't agree with me.

I am on a super low dose, but nonetheless...I think Valium will be way easier for me...maybe you too?

You WILL be okay!

You can get through this...     

Lee

 

Lee good luck.. I hope you are feeling better. in your journey... good health to come... Please let me know how you are doing?

Luv, Mishi

[[xe...]]

Here's the slower quick version (Reg Peart) that I would do. [This is ONE option to consider, there are many. I'm sure Sigma will give you the more gradual Ashton version.]

 

            Morning                      Afternoon              Night

START  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K            0.35mg K

Day 1  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V

Day 2  SAME

Day 3  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K              7mg V

Day 4  SAME

Day 5  0.175mg K, 3.5mg V        0.3mg K                7mg V

Day 6  SAME

Day 7  7mg V                          0.3mg K                7mg V

Day 8  SAME

Day 9  7mg V                      0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V

Day 10 SAME

Day 11  7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

See: http://www.drregpeart.org/Dr%20Peart%20Sample%20Schedules%20with%20Notes%2022Sep06.pdf

[[mi...]]

Here's the slower quick version (Reg Peart) that I would do. [This is ONE option to consider, there are many. I'm sure Sigma will give you the more gradual Ashton version.]

 

            Morning                       Afternoon               Night

START  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K             0.35mg K

Day 1   0.35mg K                        0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V

Day 2   SAME

Day 3   0.35mg K                        0.3mg K               7mg V

Day 4   SAME

Day 5   0.175mg K, 3.5mg V         0.3mg K                7mg V

Day 6   SAME

Day 7   7mg V                           0.3mg K                 7mg V

Day 8   SAME

Day 9   7mg V                      0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V

Day 10 SAME

Day 11  7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

See: http://www.drregpeart.org/Dr%20Peart%20Sample%20Schedules%20with%20Notes%2022Sep06.pdf

 

Thank you xenofears.. Hope you are well... Waiting for the asthon Method from bb.. Mishi

[Guest [Si...]]

The cross over, Mishi-

 

The way you have your doses. You're going to have to c/o like this-

You told me you had more anxiety in the morning, then you would take the first dose of K, and exchange it with V.

You say you will be at 1mg of Klonopin, which this is equiv. to 20mg of Valium.

Pretty much, you would take the 2 doses of Klonopin, one dose of klonopin and then exchange the other with Valium.

 

The way you are titrating, and how you're dosing, you will have to round the dose off.

There really isn't a direct schedule for you to cross over, but you will have to do it in stages.

 

Xenofears gave you an idea how to do it.

 

The first table is what you need to go by, but at 1mg.

 

Since you have the anxiety mostly in the morning, then you will need to take most of the Valium in the morning, from what I gather.

If you have trouble sleeping, then you would take most at night.

 

Here's the link-

 

http://www.drregpeart.org/Dr%20Peart%20Sample%20Schedules%20with%20Notes%2022Sep06.pdf

 

As you c/o, the valium should build up, and thereafter, you will know when to make a cut.

Once you are crossed over, you will not be dealing with the Klonopin, but the Valium rather.

 

Valium will cover the Klonopin, and you may feel more sedated at first, but that will go as you taper.

 

No one is going to be able to tell you exactly how to cross.

 

You will have to play it by ear.

 

Make sure you have enough Klonopin and Valium to do it with.

 

When I crossed, I had to play it by ear because my doses were 0.25mg.

 

 

S#

 

 

This thread needs to be merged with the other*

 

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=32064.0

[[mi...]]

The cross over, Mishi-

 

The way you have your doses. You're going to have to c/o like this-

You told me you had more anxiety in the morning, then you would take the first dose of K, and exchange it with V.

You say you will be at 1mg of Klonopin, which this is equiv. to 20mg of Valium.

Pretty much, you would take the 2 doses of Klonopin, one dose of klonopin and then exchange the other with Valium.

 

The way you are titrating, and how you're dosing, you will have to round the dose off.

There really isn't a direct schedule for you to cross over, but you will have to do it in stages.

 

Xenofears gave you an idea how to do it.

 

The first table is what you need to go by, but at 1mg.

 

Since you have the anxiety mostly in the morning, then you will need to take most of the Valium in the morning, from what I gather.

If you have trouble sleeping, then you would take most at night.

 

Here's the link-

 

http://www.drregpeart.org/Dr%20Peart%20Sample%20Schedules%20with%20Notes%2022Sep06.pdf

 

As you c/o, the valium should build up, and thereafter, you will know when to make a cut.

Once you are crossed over, you will not be dealing with the Klonopin, but the Valium rather.

 

Valium will cover the Klonopin, and you may feel more sedated at first, but that will go as you taper.

 

No one is going to be able to tell you exactly how to cross.

 

You will have to play it by ear.

 

Make sure you have enough Klonopin and Valium to do it with.

 

When I crossed, I had to play it by ear because my doses were 0.25mg.

 

 

S#

 

 

This thread needs to be merged with the other*

 

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=32064.0

 

Dear Sigma, I do not wish to do DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.  Did everyone who crossed over do Dr. Peart's schedule. 

 

I would prefer Dr. Asthon's Crossover... Does anyone have it at my level...I was told before that the crossover could be done at any level of Klonopin...

 

I wish to have the schedule at 1mg level of Klonopin which I need for June 29th, since on the June 30th I will start

the crossover.  Please get back to me. Thanks, Mishi

[Guest [Si...]]

Mishi,

 

I will see what I can do.

 

Sometimes we have to work with what we have.

 

I do not wish to do DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

 

Note: I used his schedule the second time I c/o and did just fine.

 

          Morning                       Afternoon               Night
START  0.35mg K                               0.3mg K             0.35mg K
Day 1   0.35mg K                               0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V 
Day 2   SAME
Day 3   0.35mg K                               0.3mg K               7mg V
Day 4   SAME
Day 5   0.175mg K, 3.5mg V                 0.3mg K                7mg V
Day 6   SAME
Day 7   7mg V                                   0.3mg K                 7mg V
Day 8   SAME 
Day 9   7mg V                              0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V
Day 10 SAME
Day 11  7mg V                                    6mg V                  7mg V
HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

I looked over Xenofears cross-over schedule, and honestly I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

If you want an Ashton c/o schedule. I can make one.

 

From 1mg of Klonopin to 20mg of Valium.

 

S#

 

 

[[mi...]]

Mishi,

 

I will see what I can do.

 

Sometimes we have to work with what we have.

 

I do not wish to do DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

 

Note: I used his schedule the second time I c/o and did just fine.

 

          Morning                       Afternoon               Night
START  0.35mg K                               0.3mg K             0.35mg K
Day 1   0.35mg K                               0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V 
Day 2   SAME
Day 3   0.35mg K                               0.3mg K               7mg V
Day 4   SAME
Day 5   0.175mg K, 3.5mg V                 0.3mg K                7mg V
Day 6   SAME
Day 7   7mg V                                   0.3mg K                 7mg V
Day 8   SAME 
Day 9   7mg V                              0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V
Day 10 SAME
Day 11  7mg V                                    6mg V                  7mg V
HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

I looked over Xenofears cross-over schedule, and honestly I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

If you want an Ashton c/o schedule. I can make one.

 

From 1mg of Klonopin to 20mg of Valium.

 

S#

 

 

 

Thank you so much... I am awaiting the ashton schedule. Your buddy, Mishi

[[St...]]

Hi Mishi, I merged your two threads together so you can keep a better track of your taper schedule. 

[[mi...]]

Mishi,

 

I will see what I can do.

 

Sometimes we have to work with what we have.

 

I do not wish to do DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

 

Note: I used his schedule the second time I c/o and did just fine.

 

          Morning                       Afternoon               Night
START  0.35mg K                               0.3mg K             0.35mg K
Day 1   0.35mg K                               0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V 
Day 2   SAME
Day 3   0.35mg K                               0.3mg K               7mg V
Day 4   SAME
Day 5   0.175mg K, 3.5mg V                 0.3mg K                7mg V
Day 6   SAME
Day 7   7mg V                                   0.3mg K                 7mg V
Day 8   SAME 
Day 9   7mg V                              0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V
Day 10 SAME
Day 11  7mg V                                    6mg V                  7mg V
HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

I looked over Xenofears cross-over schedule, and honestly I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

If you want an Ashton c/o schedule. I can make one.

 

From 1mg of Klonopin to 20mg of Valium.

 

S#

 

 

 

Thank you so much... I am awaiting the ashton schedule. Your buddy, Mishi

 

Thank you sigma again... I think the crossover might be a little to fast for me... Two weeks wow i do not know.. I will be waiting for the asthon schedule from you....  Thank you my  friend. and buddy... Mishi

 

Remember seeing the doctor in a couple to day's.... I hope this message was not duplicated twice... I would feel stupid then.. See you later

[Guest [Si...]]

 

 

            Morning                       Afternoon               Night

START  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K             0.35mg K

Stage 1

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V

(Hold 1 week)

Stage 2   

          0.35mg K                        0.3mg K               7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

           0.175mg K, 3.5mg V         0.3mg K                7mg V

Stage 3

 

          7mg V                           0.3mg K                 7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

           7mg V                      0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

Cross-over complete.

HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

 

Mishi, what I did was basically the same as Xenofears schedule from Peart.

I just put it in different stages, and you hold one week, but if you're in tolerance, I suggest  DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

The longer you wait this out, the longer you will be in tolerance.

 

I, myself think Peart's plan would be best because of tolerance.

 

Crossing to Valium, you can't get nervous, you have to stay focused and do this in steps!

The valium will cover the klonopin, but you will have to give it time to build up.

 

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

 

Since you have anxiety in the morning, you can try  1/2'ing the midday dose 3mg / 3mg ...

 

Stage 4

          10mg                                                        10mg

 

So, that would be two doses, there are several ways of doing this, but I like Xenofears way in the first place because it's basically the way to go.

 

Make sure you have enough klonopin and valium to do this with, you don't want to run out of pills in the middle of a c/o.

 

Basically this is the same schedule, but the c/o is a longer.

 

Valium takes longer to taper as well, just to note!

 

Talk to your doctor, as he's willing to support you on a valium c/o.

 

Good luck.

 

S#

 

[[mi...]]

 

 

            Morning                       Afternoon               Night

START  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K             0.35mg K

Stage 1

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V

(Hold 1 week)

Stage 2   

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K               7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

           0.175mg K, 3.5mg V         0.3mg K                7mg V

Stage 3

 

           7mg V                           0.3mg K                 7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

            7mg V                      0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

Cross-over complete.

HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

 

Mishi, what I did was basically the same as Xenofears schedule from Peart.

I just put it in different stages, and you hold one week, but if you're in tolerance, I suggest  DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

The longer you wait this out, the longer you will be in tolerance.

 

I, myself think Peart's plan would be best because of tolerance.

 

Crossing to Valium, you can't get nervous, you have to stay focused and do this in steps!

The valium will cover the klonopin, but you will have to give it time to build up.

 

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

 

Since you have anxiety in the morning, you can try  1/2'ing the midday dose 3mg / 3mg ...

 

Stage 4

           10mg                                                         10mg

 

So, that would be two doses, there are several ways of doing this, but I like Xenofears way in the first place because it's basically the way to go.

 

Make sure you have enough klonopin and valium to do this with, you don't want to run out of pills in the middle of a c/o.

 

Basically this is the same schedule, but the c/o is a longer.

 

Valium takes longer to taper as well, just to note!

 

Talk to your doctor, as he's willing to support you on a valium c/o.

 

Good luck.

 

S#

 

 

Dear Sigma, I have some questions about the crossover:

 

1) do you mean that I stay 1 month on stage  4  after the crossover, which is completed after stage 3.

 

2) I am going to titrate the Klonopin and the valium while I am doing the crossover. Can I drink the liquids of each med one after the other; or should I wait a few minutes between the two meds, (and how long to wait)

 

3) I do understand your statement:"since you have anxiety you can try 1/2'ing  the midday dose 3mg/3mg..."

 

4)  What do you do after you have completed stage 4  of the crossover to taper off the 20 mg of valium.

 

5)  What do you mean by  the word tolerance, and what do you mean by "the longer you wait this out, the longer you will be  in tolerance."

 

6)  This have should have been question number 1.  On stage 2 you have 2 lines:

Morning                  Afternoon                      Night

0.35mgK                  .3mgK                            7mgv (1st line on stage 2)

0.175mgK, 3.5mgV    0.3mgK                          7mgV (second line on stage 2)

 

The question is: I do not understand why they are two different lines:  Do these lines represent a different week for each Meaning that I take the first line for stage 2 the first week, and the second line for stage 2 the second week ,then I go to stage 3.

 

Stage 3 has also 2 lines of meds.  Do I take a week for each line.  In other words, it would take me 2 weeks to complete to stage 3 and (and it would take me 2 weeks to complete stage 2 as well)

 

If I understood this correctly I would be on stage 1, one week, 2 weeks on stage 2, 2 weeks on stage 3 and four weeks on stage 4

 

I appreciate all of your help and support for me here.

 

Your Buddy, Mishi

 

[Guest [Si...]]

Dear Sigma, I have some questions about the crossover:

 

1) do you mean that I stay 1 month on stage  4  after the crossover, which is completed after stage 3.

 

2) I am going to titrate the Klonopin and the valium while I am doing the crossover. Can I drink the liquids of each med one after the other; or should I wait a few minutes between the two meds, (and how long to wait)

 

3) I do understand your statement:"since you have anxiety you can try 1/2'ing  the midday dose 3mg/3mg..."

 

4)  What do you do after you have completed stage 4  of the crossover to taper off the 20 mg of valium.

 

5)  What do you mean by  the word tolerance, and what do you mean by "the longer you wait this out, the longer you will be  in tolerance."

 

6)  This have should have been question number 1.  On stage 2 you have 2 lines:

Morning                  Afternoon                      Night

0.35mgK                  .3mgK                            7mgv (1st line on stage 2)

0.175mgK, 3.5mgV    0.3mgK                          7mgV (second line on stage 2)

 

The question is: I do not understand why they are two different lines:  Do these lines represent a different week for each Meaning that I take the first line for stage 2 the first week, and the second line for stage 2 the second week ,then I go to stage 3.

 

Stage 3 has also 2 lines of meds.  Do I take a week for each line.  In other words, it would take me 2 weeks to complete to stage 3 and (and it would take me 2 weeks to complete stage 2 as well)

 

If I understood this correctly I would be on stage 1, one week, 2 weeks on stage 2, 2 weeks on stage 3 and four weeks on stage 4

 

I appreciate all of your help and support for me here.

 

Your Buddy, Mishi

 

1) do you mean that I stay 1 month on stage  4  after the crossover, which is completed after stage 3.

 

Yes, 3 - 4 weeks, you can't just start tapering it after you c/o. It has to build up in your system.

 

2) I am going to titrate the Klonopin and the valium while I am doing the crossover. Can I drink the liquids of each med one after the other; or should I wait a few minutes between the two meds, (and how long to wait)

 

You don't titrate as you c/o. I certainly would not recommend it.

 

4)  What do you do after you have completed stage 4  of the crossover to taper off the 20 mg of valium.

 

You hold, and after 3 - 4 weeks, you start tapering, or whenever you feel ready.. you will no longer be dealing with the Klonopin, you will be dealing with the Valium.

 

5)  What do you mean by  the word tolerance, and what do you mean by "the longer you wait this out, the longer you will be  in tolerance."

 

Yes.

 

6)  This have should have been question number 1.  On stage 2 you have 2 lines:

 

Morning                  Afternoon                      Night

0.35mgK                  .3mgK                            7mgv 

 

There ya go.

 

Stage 1

2 weeks

Stage 2

2 weeks

So, on..

 

until you are crossed - over.

I still think Peart's c/o would be best for you, but the only difference is that Ashton's is slower.

 

S#

 

 

                       

 

[[mi...]]

 

 

            Morning                       Afternoon               Night

START  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K             0.35mg K

Stage 1

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V

(Hold 1 week)

Stage 2   

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K               7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

           0.175mg K, 3.5mg V         0.3mg K                7mg V

Stage 3

 

           7mg V                           0.3mg K                 7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

            7mg V                      0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

Cross-over complete.

HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

 

Mishi, what I did was basically the same as Xenofears schedule from Peart.

I just put it in different stages, and you hold one week, but if you're in tolerance, I suggest  DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

The longer you wait this out, the longer you will be in tolerance.

 

I, myself think Peart's plan would be best because of tolerance.

 

Crossing to Valium, you can't get nervous, you have to stay focused and do this in steps!

The valium will cover the klonopin, but you will have to give it time to build up.

 

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

 

Since you have anxiety in the morning, you can try  1/2'ing the midday dose 3mg / 3mg ...

 

Stage 4

           10mg                                                         10mg

 

So, that would be two doses, there are several ways of doing this, but I like Xenofears way in the first place because it's basically the way to go.

 

Make sure you have enough klonopin and valium to do this with, you don't want to run out of pills in the middle of a c/o.

 

Basically this is the same schedule, but the c/o is a longer.

 

Valium takes longer to taper as well, just to note!

 

Talk to your doctor, as he's willing to support you on a valium c/o.

 

Good luck.

 

S#

 

 

Dear Sigma, I have some questions about the crossover:

 

1) do you mean that I stay 1 month on stage  4  after the crossover, which is completed after stage 3.

 

2) I am going to titrate the Klonopin and the valium while I am doing the crossover. Can I drink the liquids of each med one after the other; or should I wait a few minutes between the two meds, (and how long to wait)

 

3) I do understand your statement:"since you have anxiety you can try 1/2'ing  the midday dose 3mg/3mg..."

 

4)  What do you do after you have completed stage 4  of the crossover to taper off the 20 mg of valium.

 

5)  What do you mean by  the word tolerance, and what do you mean by "the longer you wait this out, the longer you will be  in tolerance."

 

6)  This have should have been question number 1.  On stage 2 you have 2 lines:

Morning                   Afternoon                       Night

0.35mgK                  .3mgK                            7mgv (1st line on stage 2)

0.175mgK, 3.5mgV    0.3mgK                          7mgV (second line on stage 2)

 

The question is: I do not understand why they are two different lines:  Do these lines represent a different week for each Meaning that I take the first line for stage 2 the first week, and the second line for stage 2 the second week ,then I go to stage 3.

 

Stage 3 has also 2 lines of meds.  Do I take a week for each line.  In other words, it would take me 2 weeks to complete to stage 3 and (and it would take me 2 weeks to complete stage 2 as well)

 

If I understood this correctly I would be on stage 1, one week, 2 weeks on stage 2, 2 weeks on stage 3 and four weeks on stage 4

 

I appreciate all of your help and support for me here.

 

Your Buddy, Mishi

 

 

Thank you for you answers.  There is a problem with Klonopin. The smallest dose of Klonopin comes in a very small pill 0.5mg.  I cannot dry cut .35mg, .30mg, .0175,  of Klonopin, but I can titrate .05 of klonopin to get the above levels by removing the appropriate ml from a cylinder. 

 

The ashton manual crossover takes 5 weeks for 1.5 mg of Klonopin... It would take the same time for 1mg of Klonopin but the amounts of Klonopin and Valium would be a third off of the original Ashton Manual dosage.  The ashton Manual starts tapering after 5 weeks of crossover.  Your schedule would take 9 weeks before tapering...

 

Please Sigma, which one should I follow?  Am I in tolerance w/d right now since I have been weaning off.  Today I am at 1mg of K.. There have been a couple of windows in and there, but in general I feel the w/d mentally and physically, especially after I cut 3 day's later...

 

I am seeing the Doctor tomorrow Friday.. Could you please give me the answer before I have to go see him..  I appreciate all of your help and concern for me.. Mishi

 

[[xe...]]

 

 

            Morning                       Afternoon               Night

START  0.35mg K                        0.3mg K             0.35mg K

Stage 1

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K        0.175mg K, 3.5mg V

(Hold 1 week)

Stage 2   

           0.35mg K                        0.3mg K               7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

           0.175mg K, 3.5mg V         0.3mg K                7mg V

Stage 3

 

           7mg V                           0.3mg K                 7mg V

(Hold 1 week)

            7mg V                      0.15mg K, 3mg V          7mg V

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

Cross-over complete.

HOLD FOR 1 MONTH

 

 

Mishi, what I did was basically the same as Xenofears schedule from Peart.

I just put it in different stages, and you hold one week, but if you're in tolerance, I suggest  DR. Reg Peart's crossover from Klonopin to Valium.

The longer you wait this out, the longer you will be in tolerance.

 

I, myself think Peart's plan would be best because of tolerance.

 

Crossing to Valium, you can't get nervous, you have to stay focused and do this in steps!

The valium will cover the klonopin, but you will have to give it time to build up.

 

Stage 4

            7mg V                            6mg V                  7mg V

 

Since you have anxiety in the morning, you can try  1/2'ing the midday dose 3mg / 3mg ...

 

Stage 4

           10mg                                                         10mg

 

So, that would be two doses, there are several ways of doing this, but I like Xenofears way in the first place because it's basically the way to go.

 

Make sure you have enough klonopin and valium to do this with, you don't want to run out of pills in the middle of a c/o.

 

Basically this is the same schedule, but the c/o is a longer.

 

Valium takes longer to taper as well, just to note!

 

Talk to your doctor, as he's willing to support you on a valium c/o.

 

Good luck.

 

S#

 

 

Dear Sigma, I have some questions about the crossover:

 

1) do you mean that I stay 1 month on stage  4  after the crossover, which is completed after stage 3.

 

2) I am going to titrate the Klonopin and the valium while I am doing the crossover. Can I drink the liquids of each med one after the other; or should I wait a few minutes between the two meds, (and how long to wait)

 

3) I do understand your statement:"since you have anxiety you can try 1/2'ing  the midday dose 3mg/3mg..."

 

4)  What do you do after you have completed stage 4  of the crossover to taper off the 20 mg of valium.

 

5)  What do you mean by  the word tolerance, and what do you mean by "the longer you wait this out, the longer you will be  in tolerance."

 

6)  This have should have been question number 1.  On stage 2 you have 2 lines:

Morning                   Afternoon                       Night

0.35mgK                  .3mgK                            7mgv (1st line on stage 2)

0.175mgK, 3.5mgV    0.3mgK                          7mgV (second line on stage 2)

 

The question is: I do not understand why they are two different lines:  Do these lines represent a different week for each Meaning that I take the first line for stage 2 the first week, and the second line for stage 2 the second week ,then I go to stage 3.

 

Stage 3 has also 2 lines of meds.  Do I take a week for each line.  In other words, it would take me 2 weeks to complete to stage 3 and (and it would take me 2 weeks to complete stage 2 as well)

 

If I understood this correctly I would be on stage 1, one week, 2 weeks on stage 2, 2 weeks on stage 3 and four weeks on stage 4

 

I appreciate all of your help and support for me here.

 

Your Buddy, Mishi

 

 

Thank you for you answers.  There is a problem with Klonopin. The smallest dose of Klonopin comes in a very small pill 0.5mg.  I cannot dry cut .35mg, .30mg, .0175,  of Klonopin, but I can titrate .05 of klonopin to get the above levels by removing the appropriate ml from a cylinder. 

 

The ashton manual crossover takes 5 weeks for 1.5 mg of Klonopin... It would take the same time for 1mg of Klonopin but the amounts of Klonopin and Valium would be a third off of the original Ashton Manual dosage.  The ashton Manual starts tapering after 5 weeks of crossover.  Your schedule would take 9 weeks before tapering...

 

Please Sigma, which one should I follow?  Am I in tolerance w/d right now since I have been weaning off.  Today I am at 1mg of K.. There have been a couple of windows in and there, but in general I feel the w/d mentally and physically, especially after I cut 3 day's later...

 

I am seeing the Doctor tomorrow Friday.. Could you please give me the answer before I have to go see him..  I appreciate all of your help and concern for me.. Mishi

 

 

Maybe I can lend Sigma another hand here again. I'm pretty sure he means not to titrate the Valium, you'd still have to keep titrating the Klonopin as you have been doing.

 

Ashton does not hold after the final stage for a month like Sigma suggested you do (which would be required to get full blood levels of the final Valium dose however, basically I would suggest IMHO even if you do Ashton's that you should hold for a month from that final Valium switch unless you are feeling fine already before reducing again.) You seem to understand it. It's basically the same thing as Peart's version that I gave you except you hold every change for 1-2 weeks instead of 2 days. And she reduces the Klonopin while changing over, which really doesn't make any sense to me IDK, seems to defeat the purpose of the c/o and is only done to make you feel like you aren't wasting time if I would hazard a guess.

 

Yes you are in tolerance w/d Mishi (withdrawal while on a dose of benzo.) I really think you should try the slower version of Peart's, maybe spread it out to 3 days each instead of 2, but I haven't done this so my advice is based just on what I would do, but Sigma has.

 

You sound good to me today Mishi! 

[Guest [Si...]]

In my experience of holding the valium, I held for a month.

 

EXCUSE ME 

 

I would not start tapering as soon as you cross-over.

 

Good luck!

 

S#

[[mi...]]

In my experience of holding the valium, I held for a month.

 

EXCUSE ME 

 

I would not start tapering as soon as you cross-over.

 

Good luck!

 

S#

 

Sigma, I am going to the doctor today. I thank you for all of you help and kindness, AND support... Sigma, will I go into severe w/d while doing the crossover?

 

Since you have anxiety in the morning what do you mean, you can try 1/2ing the midday dose 3mg/3mg.  I will let  you know what happen's with me...

 

Also, I may have some other questions regarding the valium.. Gosh sigma I know I have to stay focused on what I am doing... It is so hard to do this..

 

I spoke to my son this morning in Florida i told hime I loved him.. He said it back in a sad voice but does not understand what is going on with his mom... Sigma my heart breaks so hard for him...Can you relate to me at all.. A mom who just wants her life back with there kids.

 

I am getting a ride today because I cannot drive.  Gosh I would love to meet you one day as a friend... You are a good person with a good heart...You take care.. Talk to you soon.

Your buddy, Mishi