Dr Witt-Doerring's taper clinic

[[da...]]

Is anyone under the supervision or Dr Witt-Doerring? How much does his program cost? Will he accept me if I am not living in the US? Thanks.

[[Li...]]

Hello @[da...].  

The Benzo Warrior Community hosted an ‘Ask Me Anything’ Zoom meeting with Dr. Witt-Doerring on Monday, January 15.  He is currently accepting patients who live in California, New York, and Texas with plans to expand to Florida in the near future.  He indicated that he cannot work with patients in other countries. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[[ns...]]

Je also made it clear that he is very expensive! Didn't know what benzo belly is. I have a few concerns about him. He seems to have some knowledge but I am still skeptical about him. Has anyone worked with him?

Please let me know 

Thanks

Ns

[[da...]]

I listened to his video at https://www.taperprogram.com/call-booked-ig

The price is in 5 figures for a 6-month program.

[[da...]]

Thanks @[Li...], @[ns...]!

[[ns...]]

Yes we've watched many of his videos. Still don't feel comfortable. Something seems off but you know, who can you trust these days. All about money it seems to me but maybe he's sincere.

Thanks 

[[To...]]

He seems a bit shady / bandwagoner. 5 figures for him to tell you what’s in the Ashton manual. I’m in Canada and he did not even reply to an email. Sounds like a money grab rather than a kind caring doctor. 

[[WU...]]

"Something seems off ..."

 

Yes I have the same feeling about him. 

[[Re...]]

@[To...] @[WU...] I think bezo-wise doctors are pretty rare, and doctors like Dr. Witt-Doerring are exceptionally hard to find. He has many videos that has given me a lot of hope and are educational. 

He is a very reliable source of information and experience you won't find anywhere else. 

Edited January 18 by [Re...]

[[ns...]]

30 minutes ago, [[W...] said:

"Something seems off ..."

Yes I have the same feeling about him. 

Yep

[[WU...]]

Time is what heals us.  We don't need to pay huge sums of money to hear that. Jordan Peterson went from one specialist to another and still took two years to heal, no doubt cost him a fortune, but it didn't speed up the process.  Time and patience is all we need.

[[ns...]]

2 minutes ago, [[W...] said:

Time is what heals us.  We don't need to pay huge sums of money to hear that. Jordan Peterson went from one specialist to another and still took two years to heal, no doubt cost him a fortune, but it didn't speed up the process.  Time and patience is all we need.

Yes but I it alleviated some of his symptoms and he's doing great! However, he still went thru it pretty badly. I guess your right, he suffered much, poor guy and he has a autoimmune disease and other health problems. Point well taken!

Ns

 

[[ba...]]

 

I think once we have some experience with this process, and have self educated ourselves in all manner of demedicating, and what to expect, we can pretty much proceed without  a lot assistance.

Dr. Joseph has admitted he does not have all the answers, and essentially follows the Ashton protocal. If your new, and completely confused, terrified and overwhelmed, then I think a mentor or a specialized clinic could help. Dr Joseph has no magic or special information, no more than Ashton, and several coaches do. If your new, or in a bad patch, learning is crucial, via Ashton, the Benzodiazapene coalition, and other free sites loaded with information. As to tapering, this site gives a lot of options and information. If you feel like his clinic is something you need, and can afford it, then go for it. Another option is to pay a coach, but research them first for a good fit.

Additionally, there are many books written by survivors, and those are a good resource.

For most of us, self education and time learning how to  best taper, and experience with sxs and set backs are giving us the information he provides. We just don't have a guide walking us through it. 

[[Sl...]]

How can a person afford such a big amount when they are not being able to work?

To me, it’s nothing less than robbing a helpless person who is just after some reassurance and relief in their own body.

Help is when it’s done for free or minimal charges, specially to us who has lost life , become disabled due to these pills. Not to mention other collateral damage.

I wasted almost AU $800 to insomnia coach.It's been a yr and am still not sleeping much. 

 

Edited January 19 by [Sl...]

[[De...]]

Pay whatever doctor to get the prescription in order to taper, If you are undergoing extreme symptoms, extreme pain, unrelenting mental agony from neuroinflammation and mithocodrial damage, brain damage, its because you're dealing with an auto-imune mediated issue, due to the role of the gabaergic system onto the immune system, neuroinflammation and it's unrelenting torture,

 

best you have for that is bro science, there is no jesus doctor, or harry Potter to help with the extreme stuff due to withdrawal, you have bro science tho.. 

 

I like this doctor work in terms of what he is exposing, but 6 figures? Im here man, disabled but improoving, i have a lot of time studying a lot the whole range of stuff, If you need help, send a message, free of charge.

 

There is the whole fórum also, If there was studies on this, but no, what you have is bro science, or medical denyal of such extreme thing, i see no reason to pay 6 figures, there is no magic to be done, you have the fórum and a bunch of studies on-line, you will suffer anyway doctor or not

Edited January 18 by [De...]

[[ba...]]

Want to add that many mental health providers are clueless. It's not neccesarily their fault. I had a counselor for anxiety, he was not my prescriber. He was cluless when I started tapering, insisted I had bad "brain chemistry" (there is no such thing, thats pharma propaganda.) He also said I was an addict, he didn't see a deifferentiation between addiction vs dependence. 

No ill will, but he could not support me in my taper because he didn't understand it. Have been on this ride solo for years now. It would be nice if I had the option of an understanding counselor just to vent, but I dont even try and find one, I dont want any one to have a file on me where I am labelled an addict.

SO even the pros rarely can help us. 

Deniz nailed it, our best resource is bro science, or sistah science in my case.

It's education, experience and time. That's it, thats what we have.

[[Br...]]

1 hour ago, [[D...] said:

Pay whatever doctor to get the prescription in order to taper, If you are undergoing extreme symptoms, extreme pain, unrelenting mental agony from neuroinflammation and mithocodrial damage, brain damage, its because you're dealing with an auto-imune mediated issue, due to the role of the gabaergic system onto the immune system, neuroinflammation and it's unrelenting torture,

best you have for that is bro science, there is no jesus doctor, or harry Potter to help with the extreme stuff due to withdrawal, you have bro science tho.. 

I like this doctor work in terms of what he is exposing, but 6 figures? Im here man, disabled but improoving, i have a lot of time studying a lot the whole range of stuff, If you need help, send a message, free of charge.

There is the whole fórum also, If there was studies on this, but no, what you have is bro science, or medical denyal of such extreme thing, i see no reason to pay 6 figures, there is no magic to be done, you have the fórum and a bunch of studies on-line, you will suffer anyway doctor or not

This is incorrect - Dr. Witt-Doerring's taper clinic does not NOT charge 6 figures.  Please do not spread incorrect information. Thank you

[[wi...]]

19 minutes ago, [[B...] said:

This is incorrect - Dr. Witt-Doerring's taper clinic does not NOT charge 6 figures.  Please do not spread incorrect information. Thank you

Very much in agreement.

 

[[Md...]]

I became a patient last summer, and they stabilized me from debilitating interdose withdrawals i was having, which i am very grateful for, because my previous GP cut me off as a patient and told me to go to detox, because she didn’t know how to handle the interdose withdrawals. Witt-Doering did. 

Regarding expenses, it was a little over 1K to register, and now I pay $325 for each 30 minute video consultation, which is usually once a month or once every 3 months. They did tell me before I registered that it could cost up to 5 figures (i think 10K), depending on how long I stayed with them, but that was probably max. I cannot speak for the current/new program though, as things seemed to have changed, since I initially joined.

I do feel like Dr Josef is a bit of a rare breed, as he believes his patients and does truly make the program as flexible as possible, and does everything he can to make sure you’re functional. That has been my personal experience, even though i think there are areas where things could be improved, and there have been times where i have been confused by what i was supposed to do, but he’s always been on my side, and has even fought pharmacies when i specifically asked for Valium in half pills and half liquid. I quickly learned that pharmacists are just as bad as doctors when it comes to this kind of stuff, and  won’t accommodate the patient, but Dr Josef spent a lot of time sorting this out. He even called me from his personal cell number when he was on vacation when i was having difficulty with many pharmacists. Many of you may not know this, but more and more pharmacists are falling into a state of benzo hysteria due to the opioid epidemic, and can be an absolute pain in the ass to work with. Again, this is where Dr Josef comes in. 

Also, keep in mind that Dr Josef is basically a one man show when it comes to the tapering process and communication process, as he personally deals with all his clients directly, so even if he charged less, there would probably be a 10 year waitlist just to become a patient. It’s not like it’s a grand scale clinic loaded with trained and experienced doctors, unfortunately. He does have coaches and other staff who need to be paid, so Im sure that’s where part of the expense goes. 

I cannot speak for this new business model, but from what i know about Dr Josef, and my personal experience with him, it’s probably worth it, especially when you find yourself beaten down by the healthcare system, and can’t find a doctor who even believes what you’re going through. 

So even though we have many online resources, what we often don’t have is a doctor who is experienced in properly tapering people off their benzo, or stabilizing them during difficult moments. That’s where Dr Josef comes in. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? So far, it has been for me, and i feel like id be lost without him.

So “5 figures for what the Ashton method already tells us” would be heavily downplaying what Dr Josef actually does. 

And as far as the whole Jordan Peterson thing goes, well,  that’s just a silly argument, as he found himself in tolerance withdrawal, and at that point you’re probably screwed no matter what doctor you see, hence the induced coma. I find that to be a rather odd argument in order to trash Dr Josef. Not to mention that Jordan Peterson probably never would have found himself in that situation if he had a doctor like Dr Josef to begin with.

Time will tell what kind of a doctor Dr Josef truly is as more and more people join his program, but again, i personally feel like i’d be lost without him. 
 

 

 

 

Edited January 19 by [Md...]

[[De...]]

3 hours ago, [[B...] said:

This is incorrect - Dr. Witt-Doerring's taper clinic does not NOT charge 6 figures.  Please do not spread incorrect information. Thank you

 

Got this information from another reply. I like this guy work, but he is not jesus, If he could get deeper into this whole thing and help, then great, he should be studying ways to adress the whole thing, like the immune system response that comes with withdrawal, probably some kind of anti neuronal encephalitis and auto-imune reactions that affects the whole body, spine and nerves, worst than MS in many cases 

Edited January 19 by [De...]

[[Li...]]

12 hours ago, [[M...] said:

I became a patient last summer, and they stabilized me from debilitating interdose withdrawals i was having, which i am very grateful for, because my previous GP cut me off as a patient and told me to go to detox, because she didn’t know how to handle the interdose withdrawals. Witt-Doering did. 

Regarding expenses, it was a little over 1K to register, and now I pay $325 for each 30 minute video consultation, which is usually once a month or once every 3 months. They did tell me before I registered that it could cost up to 5 figures (i think 10K), depending on how long I stayed with them, but that was probably max. I cannot speak for the current/new program though, as things seemed to have changed, since I initially joined.

I do feel like Dr Josef is a bit of a rare breed, as he believes his patients and does truly make the program as flexible as possible, and does everything he can to make sure you’re functional. That has been my personal experience, even though i think there are areas where things could be improved, and there have been times where i have been confused by what i was supposed to do, but he’s always been on my side, and has even fought pharmacies when i specifically asked for Valium in half pills and half liquid. I quickly learned that pharmacists are just as bad as doctors when it comes to this kind of stuff, and  won’t accommodate the patient, but Dr Josef spent a lot of time sorting this out. He even called me from his personal cell number when he was on vacation when i was having difficulty with many pharmacists. Many of you may not know this, but more and more pharmacists are falling into a state of benzo hysteria due to the opioid epidemic, and can be an absolute pain in the ass to work with. Again, this is where Dr Josef comes in. 

Also, keep in mind that Dr Josef is basically a one man show when it comes to the tapering process and communication process, as he personally deals with all his clients directly, so even if he charged less, there would probably be a 10 year waitlist just to become a patient. It’s not like it’s a grand scale clinic loaded with trained and experienced doctors, unfortunately. He does have coaches and other staff who need to be paid, so Im sure that’s where part of the expense goes. 

I cannot speak for this new business model, but from what i know about Dr Josef, and my personal experience with him, it’s probably worth it, especially when you find yourself beaten down by the healthcare system, and can’t find a doctor who even believes what you’re going through. 

So even though we have many online resources, what we often don’t have is a doctor who is experienced in properly tapering people off their benzo, or stabilizing them during difficult moments. That’s where Dr Josef comes in. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? So far, it has been for me, and i feel like id be lost without him.

So “5 figures for what the Ashton method already tells us” would be heavily downplaying what Dr Josef actually does. 

And as far as the whole Jordan Peterson thing goes, well,  that’s just a silly argument, as he found himself in tolerance withdrawal, and at that point you’re probably screwed no matter what doctor you see, hence the induced coma. I find that to be a rather odd argument in order to trash Dr Josef. Not to mention that Jordan Peterson probably never would have found himself in that situation if he had a doctor like Dr Josef to begin with.

Time will tell what kind of a doctor Dr Josef truly is as more and more people join his program, but again, i personally feel like i’d be lost without him. 
 

 

Thank you for sharing your direct knowledge and personal experience related to Dr. Witt-Doerring and his practice, @[Md...].  I’m certain @[da...] (the original poster) appreciates your well-informed, balanced, and thoughtful response as do I.

[[ns...]]

On 18/01/2024 at 11:33, [[n...] said:

Je also made it clear that he is very expensive! Didn't know what benzo belly is. I have a few concerns about him. He seems to have some knowledge but I am still skeptical about him. Has anyone worked with him?

Please let me know 

Thanks

Ns

After reading about a 4 yr old child suffering from benzo withdrawal and hearing that his father was referred to Dr. Witt with positive results,  I must give credit where credit is due. This is excellent news! He is helping this family with their son and I owe him an apology for questioning his reputation and experience. 

Ns

[[Nu...]]

I have experiences, but only on the periphery. Never received direct care from Dr. Josef. He seems to genuinely care about his patients -- something that's sorely lacking in this horrific thing we go through and something that's quite valuable for us. From what I know, he is an advocate on behalf of his patient when it comes to other healthcare providers/pharmacies and the like.

The ultimate solution isn't to go through one healthcare provider, but a solution that provides education to our current provider to give the education and treatment options for us to succeed within our current healthcare ecosystem. This is a wish, of course, but will be an amazing accomplishment once we get there.

Many specialists do charge an incredible amount of money for their services. It's up to each of us to weight that balance between our current position and available financial resources. There's no easy answer here...

[[dj...]]

On 18/01/2024 at 15:04, [[W...] said:

Time is what heals us.  We don't need to pay huge sums of money to hear that. Jordan Peterson went from one specialist to another and still took two years to heal, no doubt cost him a fortune, but it didn't speed up the process.  Time and patience is all we need.

Time is what heals us but validation from doctors can really help.  Actually, validation from doctors is what really helps family members and in turn can really help you.  
 

If I had found a Dr Witt-Doering 5 years ago I probably wouldn’t be divorced and I likely wouldn’t have been put back on benzos which only made matters worse.  I showed this site to my now ex-wife and she just said everyone is crazy and hates doctors (she’s a nurse).  I know he’s expensive but it would have saved me big in the long run.  Not to mention I spent a ton on therapy because my ex-wife pressured me into doing a lot of therapy (at psychiatrist’s urging) for a condition that was way more neurological in nature.  

Edited January 21 by [dj...]

[[Re...]]

@[dj...] Same here, if I have seen his videos earlier I would have done a reasonable taper and be more careful. 

I sent his videos to my therapist (psychologist) and my parents, too. These are not too long, easy to comprehend. So they just don't think I am crazy...