Body Scared of Sleep

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I've found what is most important for me is to decide these things based on my symptoms, how I am feeling, listening to my own body.  Others aren't in your shoes @[Br...], so you will hear a lot of opinions, even from doctors. You made a decision so see how this goes for you, oregonlady

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@[or...] i regret taking the 2 mg again i just feel very a lot of anxiety today ane sedation very badly. since i am still under the two week mark and I had lowered my last dose the last three days before going up again would it be dangerous to just quit now? 

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16 hours ago, [[P...] said:

I don’t believe kindling refers to going back up in dose while tapering, that is simply updosing and while its not the direction we want to go in, sometimes it can help us stabilize so we an continue the process when things settle down a bit. 

Hi @breeb,  in reply to your last question to me, I think this (from @[Pa...]) is the very best answer, please re-read this and see if you can stabilize yourself, then get with us and determine a taper plan, oregonlady We are here for you.

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@[Pa...] do you have any input on my situation please i’m so lost can you please look through and see what’s going on 

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One of the mistakes I see members make is reacting too soon when its better to hold in order to get a better idea of what is really going on.  

Have you ever steered a boat, this process reminds me of that.  It’s too easy to over correct when steering a boat, and the same is true for tapering.  Our body needs time to show us if the correction we made it working or not, we can’t keep reacting and changing course every time we feel something different, its important to gather our facts and react with careful thought.

You made a decision to go back up to 2 mgs, if you feel that was right for you at the time then you might want to stay the course, get stable then reassess what your next step should be.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, [[P...] said:

One of the mistakes I see members make is reacting too soon when its better to hold in order to get a better idea of what is really going on.  

Have you ever steered a boat, this process reminds me of that.  It’s too easy to over correct when steering a boat, and the same is true for tapering.  Our body needs time to show us if the correction we made it working or not, we can’t keep reacting and changing course every time we feel something different, its important to gather our facts and react with careful thought.

You made a decision to go back up to 2 mgs, if you feel that was right for you at the time then you might want to stay the course, get stable then reassess what your next step should be.  

My akathisia is very bad today since updosinf to 2 mg even though i felt very sedated this morning i think im going to drop off since im still under the two week mark

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3 hours ago, [[o...] said:

Hi @breeb,  in reply to your last question to me, I think this (from @[Pa...]) is the very best answer, please re-read this and see if you can stabilize yourself, then get with us and determine a taper plan, oregonlady We are here for you.

My akathisia is even worse today since going back to 2 mg i’m so confused 

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Our symptoms come and go, we never know how we’re going to feel from one day to the next.  There doesn’t have to be a reason for this to happen, it’s the nature of the process so making decisions based on how you feel at the moment isn’t the best.  

I would suggest not making any changes for a few days, allow the medication and your body to settle and hopefully you’ll have a better idea how to proceed.

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Hi @[Br...]. If you're already having tough symptoms, I would be very careful about just stopping the drug. That's your body's way of telling you that you're either dependent on the drug or you're both dependent and experiencing injury. Either way, a slow taper is likely the way to go, unless you want to tough out the symptoms. You have to make this decision for yourself.

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3 hours ago, [[h...] said:

Hi @[Br...]. If you're already having tough symptoms, I would be very careful about just stopping the drug. That's your body's way of telling you that you're either dependent on the drug or you're both dependent and experiencing injury. Either way, a slow taper is likely the way to go, unless you want to tough out the symptoms. You have to make this decision for yourself.

I know I truly just want off but i tried to cold turkey and was sweating profusely and vomiting and in total akathisia with my heart rate and blood pressure going insane even though i’ve only been on. then for so little i think my body hates them but im addicted too 

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On 23/12/2023 at 23:42, [[o...] said:

if you feel you are tapering too much, just cut back on your next days taper.  For me, if I cut to lets say .25, which I actually did once, and got bad wd sxs, I would cut less than that next time, but I would do maybe a .20, and see how I feel.  No big jumps is what i am saying. This is all before I got really into BB and learned more about tapering.

I had BB to rely on when I had cut a whole 25%. I was told "if I could handle" it, hold that dose, push through the wd sxs.  I felt I could do that so I did.  It was rough for me but then when I finally stabilized on that cut, my body told me it was ok to start another cut/taper, but at much smaller doses at a time.  My "History" show more what I did, I think I tapered just 11% next, and eventually found that 3% was my best "lack of" wd sxs, so I've stuck with that.

I hope this makes sense, any questions are very welcome oregonlady

Hey there - kind of a silly question 🙏. How  does your body know when it’s ready?  I have been tapering well, and my only symptoms are muscle stiffness and tinnitus - and I am not certain these are directly from tapering.  I have not experienced any of the symptoms that are advertised on the usual websites.  I’d like to begin larger cuts based on Ashton.  Or at least go to .5 mg cuts.  Currently at 2.8mg Valium.   My history is up to date.  I think my body says go 😊

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1 hour ago, [[K...] said:

Hey there - kind of a silly question 🙏. How  does your body know when it’s ready?  I have been tapering well, and my only symptoms are muscle stiffness and tinnitus - and I am not certain these are directly from tapering.  I have not experienced any of the symptoms that are advertised on the usual websites.  I’d like to begin larger cuts based on Ashton.  Or at least go to .5 mg cuts.  Currently at 2.8mg Valium.   My history is up to date.  I think my body says go 😊

not silly at all, it's all a sort of trial and error for each person, at least that's how it's been for me. If you feel good enough to carry on your daily tasks, and not be so hindered because you just feel lousy, I would say go ahead and try a bit more to taper. If not then hold longer and when you improve, which has always happened for me, you have a "window" you feel good when you get up and go in the a.m. etc. My symptoms that are the worst are tremors and tinnitus, so they probably won't be totally gone, but might be getting better and I just sense my body is adapting to my present dose.

The only way for me is to get the hang of when my body has adapted.  When that happens, it's time to cut a little more, and if it hasn't happened, let's say I don't want to have to hold as long on my next taper amount?  I'd cut at 5% for example, felt like crud, then when I finally feel adapted, I will taper less, like 3% for example.

It sounds to me you are doing very good, but I've also been warned as I get lower in my doses sxs can ramp up at my pace I'm going, so, I will hold as long as it takes to adapt, then taper as low as I can.  If I feel good faster during my next taper, then I can taper a bit more, oregonlady

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11 hours ago, [[o...] said:

not silly at all, it's all a sort of trial and error for each person, at least that's how it's been for me. If you feel good enough to carry on your daily tasks, and not be so hindered because you just feel lousy, I would say go ahead and try a bit more to taper. If not then hold longer and when you improve, which has always happened for me, you have a "window" you feel good when you get up and go in the a.m. etc. My symptoms that are the worst are tremors and tinnitus, so they probably won't be totally gone, but might be getting better and I just sense my body is adapting to my present dose.

The only way for me is to get the hang of when my body has adapted.  When that happens, it's time to cut a little more, and if it hasn't happened, let's say I don't want to have to hold as long on my next taper amount?  I'd cut at 5% for example, felt like crud, then when I finally feel adapted, I will taper less, like 3% for example.

It sounds to me you are doing very good, but I've also been warned as I get lower in my doses sxs can ramp up at my pace I'm going, so, I will hold as long as it takes to adapt, then taper as low as I can.  If I feel good faster during my next taper, then I can taper a bit more, oregonlady

Tinnitus is the worst….makes me want to check out permanently some times.  Wonder if it ever goes away.  My ENT specialist says I have o live with it.  Ugh 

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18 minutes ago, [[K...] said:

Tinnitus is the worst….makes me want to check out permanently some times.  Wonder if it ever goes away.  My ENT specialist says I have o live with it.  Ugh 

Mine is actually better at times which I never used to have windows with my tinnitus at all so I came to a point where I can live with it and believe me mine is very loud but I don't think about it very much but when I realize they aren't ringing I know that things are getting better don't give up your hope. My tinnitus never started till around 2012 so I believe that my tinnitus is strictly from the benzo and I believe mine is going to be gone and it helps me to think that way.

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52 minutes ago, [[o...] said:

Mine is actually better at times which I never used to have windows with my tinnitus at all so I came to a point where I can live with it and believe me mine is very loud but I don't think about it very much but when I realize they aren't ringing I know that things are getting better don't give up your hope. My tinnitus never started till around 2012 so I believe that my tinnitus is strictly from the benzo and I believe mine is going to be gone and it helps me to think that way.

Mine just started when I had a wicked sinus infection that filled my ears with fluid.  I believe it was a reaction to Shingles vaccine but no DR will “admit” this.  During this sinus infection I abused Xanax for a few months to sleep as it was the only relief.  It’s then I realized I had to get off the Benzos.   Sorry to hijack thread 🙏

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Shingles vaccine made my symptoms much worse

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