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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

 

Wow thanks Lynn!

I understand that is for people doing cut and hold?

 

How does that affect the people who are doing DMT? Is that still a symptom based hold when necessary?

 

Heath

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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

 

Wow thanks Lynn!

I understand that is for people doing cut and hold?

 

How does that affect the people who are doing DMT? Is that still a symptom based hold when necessary?

 

Heath

 

This wouldn't impact you Heath.  It's more to allow people to realize all of the wd and recover/adjust before making a further cut.  But...maybe it says something about taking breaks in a DMT(?)

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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

 

Wow thanks Lynn!

I understand that is for people doing cut and hold?

 

How does that affect the people who are doing DMT? Is that still a symptom based hold when necessary?

 

Heath

 

This wouldn't impact you Heath.  It's more to allow people to realize all of the wd and recover/adjust before making a further cut.  But...maybe it says something about taking breaks in a DMT(?)

 

That's very interesting, lynn. If you gather up links documenting this and send them on to an Administrator, I'm sure the subject will be discussed. Personally, I don't like to recommend rates in my welcoming posts unless I'm encouraging someone who's going too fast to slow down. When I do post to someone asking a tapering question, I lean very conservative. After all, I'm a slochikaturt! (I wonder what V found when he tried to google that. )

 

Gard

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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

Thanks Lynn for letting us know what some of us may have missed. It is interesting that many now are not so much in tune with Ashton views and think it is much too fast. I think that is what my ENT Doctor used as a guide that he tweaked but not in my favor...not good for me I found out..I agree that it should be mentioned to New Buddies, too much suffering going on.

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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

Well, isn't that interesting. Makes sense to me.  .  Based on my experience with this.

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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

 

Wow thanks Lynn!

I understand that is for people doing cut and hold?

 

How does that affect the people who are doing DMT? Is that still a symptom based hold when necessary?

 

Heath

 

This wouldn't impact you Heath.  It's more to allow people to realize all of the wd and recover/adjust before making a further cut.  But...maybe it says something about taking breaks in a DMT(?)

 

That's very interesting, lynn. If you gather up links documenting this and send them on to an Administrator, I'm sure the subject will be discussed. Personally, I don't like to recommend rates in my welcoming posts unless I'm encouraging someone who's going too fast to slow down. When I do post to someone asking a tapering question, I lean very conservative. After all, I'm a slochikaturt! (I wonder what V found when he tried to google that. )

 

Gard

 

I got this message from google:

 

Your search - slochikaturt - did not match any documents.

 

Suggestions:

 

Make sure all words are spelled correctly.

Try different keywords.

Try more general keywords.

 

 

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Hey all you tech savvy buddies....anyone able to make a post of a picture of a slochikkaturt ?

 

Heath

Okay I think I need to hold.  I just googled that! 

 

:D :D :

 

Heath

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Thanks for the insomnia encouragement guys!  Yes, it sure is a bummer. I wracked up 3 3/4 hours last night in about three different "sessions" oh boy! Lol!

 

Heath,

 

Oh, Heath, that sounds dreadful. Hope you're able to at least rest during the day, even if not sleep. Have you tried any apps to get you through those long hours in the night? I use iSleepEasy. I have the background sounds set to run all night. (I use the waves of music.) When I wake up in the night, I layer one of the guided sleep/relaxation narrations on top of the music. It's nice to have a calm, soothing voice to listen to in the middle of the night.

 

Gard

 

I use the soothing sounds and relaxing narrations too, Gard.

Also the breathing exercises, which seem to help me.

Good luck Heath - try anything.

I'm also a big believer in a siesta type lie down during the day, even if you don't sleep it helps, and sometimes you may just drop off for half an hour, it all helps

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I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

Well, isn't that interesting. Makes sense to me.  .  Based on my experience with this.

Makes sense to me too.

I can't do weekly or two weekly cuts - thought it was just me until I read posts on here.

I think I'm quite lucky so far, apart from last summer when I had to hold for months after the Nitrazepam fiasco, I seem to have fewer symptoms than so many of you...I'm just wussy about vertigo ...I hate it.

I wish you all luck, this group is an inspiration to me.

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Slowly, I find it best to not dwell on words and such..just make up your mind, like you are now doing and go with it. "Time and Accepting of the Process of Healing" and living each moment the best you can and let the what if's and why not's go, anyway that what has worked for me.

 

Good advice Begood. Lord knows I'm trying!  I thought I was going slow with a 5% reduction each moth, but I pushed it a but faster. Stupid me. But hey, I'm straitening it out now with a longer hold. It's true, what you and others have said, when you try to rush it, you just wind up messing yourself up and you don't save any time either!

 

Heath

Yes, my thanks to both of you.

It's working for me so far  :smitten:

[[sl...]]

I'm in the same boat this morning. I've been sleeping okay. My mind has been racing lately. I've felt a lot less safe since my mom passed. Much less safe. Somehow her being in the world made it feel safer. Now not only is she gone, but I have to worry about my dad and my own health.

Sorry for your trials Stephen.  They certainly make this more difficult. I hope things settle for you.  --V

 

Yes Stephen I'm sorry too.

I was reluctant to write because both my parents were killed in a road accident just before I started on these benzos.

You do feel suddenly less secure - it's hard to describe but so many people I've talked to have said it hit them much more than they had expected, losing a parent.

I was waking up every hour feeling as though I was suspended somewhere in space..terrifying feeling.

I still miss them terribly but you do start to accept it eventually - I think.

You will feel better with time  and do talk about it because it does often help

[[Ca...]]

Hi Guys... I guess its decision time at 2months post cut...

 

Thinking of dose correcting to 1.5 or even back to 2V again..

 

Was just an epic fail with the medication changes from the specialist...

 

I do wonder how much that exercise last weekend comes into it, as it has been an issue before, And I do feel that I was getting close to a change for the better...

 

It is the photo/day light/time sensitivity, with its anxiety/chemical depression, day fatigue stuff thats the problem...

 

Maybe wait it out another week or two?? That will be all I have in me...??

 

Maybe see what a single rescue dose does...??

 

Part of this is opiate protracted, and some recent WD from specialist trials...

 

Throw your thoughts out there... as usual, no right or wrong answers...

 

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Can't , So sorry you are still feeling poorly.  I can't advise as I am suffering so much but all you can do is try and see if it helps.  My nerve pain is off the charts and so sad that nothing seems to help me.  I don't know how long I can hang on.  Praying you feel better soon and all on this thread get some relief. 

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Hi Guys... I guess its decision time at 2months post cut...

 

Thinking of dose correcting to 1.5 or even back to 2V again..

 

Was just an epic fail with the medication changes from the specialist...

 

I do wonder how much that exercise last weekend comes into it, as it has been an issue before, And I do feel that I was getting close to a change for the better...

 

It is the photo/day light/time sensitivity, with its anxiety/chemical depression, day fatigue stuff thats the problem...

 

Maybe wait it out another week or two?? That will be all I have in me...??

 

Maybe see what a single rescue dose does...??

 

Part of this is opiate protracted, and some recent WD from specialist trials...

 

Throw your thoughts out there... as usual, no right or wrong answers...

Hi CF,  As I said to you when you first cut 50% cut was far too much to do from 2mg to 1mg. You may now be having late onset withdrawal from such a big cut, and Diazepam/ Valium is notorious for causing this due to its long half life in many people. Now a short version of what happened to me regarding late onset withdrawal years ago. I was on Ativan taking a dose equal to 600mg daily of Valium, yes you read it correct that was the dose I was on, and after a few months at this dose I became aware it was making me aggressive knew nothing and was given no advice or anything except to ''keep upping the dose'' that's how I ended up on a huge dose.

 

 

Anyway I decided to stop them and the Doctor just said stop taking them so I did, and after a day or 2 I felt depressed which lasted 2 or 3 weeks after which I felt amazing all normal, well better than normal and life was great again.  4 weeks later I had one small  visual hallucination, seconds feeling like spiders were crawling over me another time and that was it nothing, and life was good. 

 

After feeling great three months later all hell broke loose and I was plunged into severe withdrawal hell except I never knew what it was I just knew something was terribly wrong, had I had any idea at the time I would have gone back to as low a dose as it took to stabilise then gone from there tapering. It took me four years to recover fully from that lot. Also I made a clear point about what ''I personally'' would do  on the up dosing thread if that situation arose for me in the place you now find yourself in even though I've had to updose again, as below.

 

 

    I have an upstairs neighbour from hell who moved in just over a year ago, and the noise problem have been terrible, but have gotten even worse the last few months although the housing officers have been in touch with him trying to solve the problem, each time it gets worse.

 

 

    I'm barely getting any sleep as he's on drugs and stays awake non stop playing a PC game 24/7 loudly, and I need to move as there's no way I can taper in this situation but am too unwell to leave the house, and am now barely functional and losing weight as I'm either unable to eat or can't prepare any food at all so its not good.

 

   

    I up-dosed 2 times so far once from 3.45mg to 5mg held there nearly 4 months with no real improvement, then again by 1/2 mg to 51/2mg  and am still going down hill after over 4 months holding especially over the last 6 weeks, and obviously all the stress is complicating matters.

 

   

    I feel I really have no choice due to my overall situation other than to updose again, there's no way a long holds going to work in this environment, and now I'm going to have to go practically back to the starting line in order to find some balance so I can get stable enough to move from here.  Well not the ''absolute starting line'' that was 20mg of Diazepam and there's no way my Doctors will up the dose they just don't believe its to do with Benzos and I'm only prescribed 8mg a day now, and have a few spare packs tucked away.

 

    My overall healths taking a kicking on top of my hell symptoms  and I  ended up being told I'd had two heart attacks Saturday and Sunday of last week end after 4 ECG's done in my home showed I was my blood pressures high, but it's not its the withdrawal plus the stress and barely any sleep. And  they wanted to admit me to hospital as an emergency both times but I told them there's no way I can tolerate being in a vehicle as I'm totally hypersensitive to vibration, sound, touch, hearing, and smell.

 

 

 

    The last time I got on a Bus was two years ago when I began tapering again  after being stable for 9 months still unaware it was all to do with withdrawal, and had cut 2 or 3 mgs way to fast and it was hell physical and mental symptoms came for nowhere and I barely made it home. And this heart business happened before when I was  still unaware my symptoms were  withdrawal related, and having breathing problems and other symptoms rang my GP who rang an Ambulance as I was struggling too breathe on the phone.

 

   

 

    And the Hospital insisted I was having a heart attack  and rushed my into theatre after ripping my clothes off covered my in iodine as as far as they were concerned I needed surgery and did an angiogram which showed my heart and arteries were fine even though the ECG readings were showing something else. So as you can see its quite a dilemma I have on my hands, I really can't see any point where holding any longer is going to benefit me not in my present situation, and cutting certainly isn't the answer at all, I'm getting stressed about up-dosing again as well as I'm so unwell and fragile now.

 

    Sorry for bending your ear, but as you know there's not a lot of discussion form others that have tried lots of times before succeeding on here like you did, and  I've been trying to get off these hell drugs for years too.

 

    But this is the worst I've ever been after being pointed the the Ashton manual on here and cutting too fast, even my younger sister bought up that its been 2 years I've been trapped in this hell. Where as before I may have been a bit rough now and again but at least it was nothing like this I was still able to function and go out and about most of the time, I can't even  sit outside to escape what going on in my home now

 

 

 

Anyway I've now up-dosed to 8mg so that's another 2.1/2 mg, am holding here for 4 weeks if still no improvement will then go to 10mg then stay there hold and hope to stabilise. As far as I'm concerned now after nearly two years of holding for months here and there the longest being 6 and cutting each time while still unstable hoping to improve as I got lower but  am under too much pressure with what's going on in my home, and still unable to find any stability.

 

Apart from the odd ok day which are rare, and the last few months being absolute hell , I came to the obvious conclusion that up-dosing by only a small amount after being this sick for over 2 year's,  is futile as there's too much glutamate damage still going on.

 

My brain is  unable to to regulate it as the holding dose is far too low, if the dose was going to work even in this atmosphere there should be more and better changes happening but I'm just getting sicker and sicker, and I'm never going to wait for months again if a 1/4mg cut  fks me up too badly after all we're going to get withdrawal symptoms in most cases.

 

But there's a huge difference in discomfort and disabled, and feeling rough or being completely fkd up. I'm going to immediately add  the last cut back as soon as I feel its not just discomfort and hold as long as needed re-stablise then try a smaller cut, hold for 1 to  3 months if I have too between cuts.

 

That's what I did before the Ashton cut rates fkd me up, I was doing brilliantly before sure I had some symptoms but they were negligible or non exsitant and I was living a happy life while getting off this hell drug . I do not give a fk how long it takes me to get off as that's still the plan to get off this fkn shit, but I do give a fk about how I feel while getting off and spending year's like this and possibly getting worse  if I don't do whatever I have to to get stabilised first?

 

Then more years in this hell when ? no way!! I stabilise before by going back up and holding and cutting was no problem either, the problem was this time I believe. Was I left it too long before up-dosing, then too low a dose for it too make any difference after all this time, and even at this dose or if I have to go up to 10mg it still going to take some time holding before I stabilise  as much as I wish it would work quicker plus a fkr of a neighbour to deal with.

 

I'm now waiting for the Police to call here this morning as his electricity metre cupboard is on my bedroom wall out side, and he keep banging it against the wall and its like Thors hammer hitting my home so I'm getting woken up by that fkn lot as well. I told the police its attempted bloody murder as there were officers here when I had a  the 2 heart attacks ''diagnosed' I wrote about in the quoted post above.

 

And  they knocked his door and told him and asked him to keep the pc game down but he hasn't then he started doing that after they spoke to him? What the easy way to kill some one with a bad heart? exactly what he's doing right? I want him fucking charged this time and I had monitoring equipment in my home from the noise pollution people so its going to be on there as well.

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten: [/size]

 

 

 

 

 

Love Nova xxx :smitten:

[[Ca...]]

Can't , So sorry you are still feeling poorly.  I can't advise as I am suffering so much but all you can do is try and see if it helps.  My nerve pain is off the charts and so sad that nothing seems to help me.  I don't know how long I can hang on.  Praying you feel better soon and all on this thread get some relief. 

Thanks Free, This has been very hard for you... Much to contend with... But you do it with such dignity..!!

Your day will come.. keep that hope, keep trying what you can...

 

My Best...

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Yo Cant, I am going to say that when a person has cut too much or too fast, that sometimes it is mute to continue waiting for it to get better, I am talking about big cuts and fast tapers. From my experience the Brain does not bounce back if we make just small percentages as it has been shocked it takes going up to a place where you felt stable, and waiting and not freaking out because it is not working that takes a bit of time, I found for me it took some days, but yes I did stabilize and with a clearer mind and feeling so much better I was able to start a new game plan in my mind, because I was not going to start tapering again too soon. I allowed myself to be stable and then after some months I proceeded. So many here at BB say do not up dose, you will put yourself back, but if it is hell for one, then we must make a decision, because I found that I was miserable trying small increases, the damage had already been done. This is just my two cents. The last I heard we do not get medals for being miserable, but we do tend to feel better if we make the plunge that is best for us and then carry on, the rewards I am already aware of. I am sure others will chime in, but knowing you Cant I know you already have a game plan. Stay Strong My Friend.

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Can't , So sorry you are still feeling poorly.  I can't advise as I am suffering so much but all you can do is try and see if it helps.  My nerve pain is off the charts and so sad that nothing seems to help me.  I don't know how long I can hang on.  Praying you feel better soon and all on this thread get some relief. 

Free  you have my complete empathy that's also one of my worst symptoms amongst other disabling ones feeling I've been set on hell fire without the flames while plugged into the national grid. I know my empathy is of no help but I want you to know its not just you and yes it is hard holding on, I only wish I had some suggestion other than what I've done freely of my own will to give as I know some people aren't in the position where they stashed enough pills to try it. And I also wish I'd tried/ done it ages ago within weeks or months instead of allowing it to go into year's as its still going to take holding and waiting, but it could possibly have been a lot sooner had I done it before now.

 

Or its fear that stops them, that's why it took me so long to try a reasonable dose fear, but in the end I decided that being disabled non functional and trying to cope with a hell home environment caused by upstairs neighbour was worse and I'd have no chance of stability or recovery the way things are. I hope things get better for all of us soon, its so unfair all this pain and suffering here on the forum.

 

 

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

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  Thanks so much Nova, it means alot to me that you show such support in the midst of youor own pain.  Yes, lots of people have this and it is so disabling, I wish the Drs. could feel this for one hr. and they would change their minds about rushing people.  I am one who doesn't have a whole lot of extra doses so am very scared of being cut off. so far Dr. has been ok with it all but who really knows.  With all the media coverage which is good for those who are contemplating taking this poison to not start, it doesn't help us who are already dependent on them.  Drs. are pressured to get us off so it is doubly stressful to us all. Anywway, hope I can hang in there, it gets harder and harder to do. 

[[Ca...]]

Thanks BG and Nova (Sista's)...

 

Yes if I do updose, it will be a chunk, and again if needed... No Dr problems...

 

Nova this cut hit day 11, and was rough but "benzo normal" until that huge exercise last weekend...

The exercise is a big unknown, and Idealy I would like to know thats not a short term cause for the chaos...

BUT, I was also hitting that windows and waves point too, which has indicated good healing in the past...

But Yes, With some SX taking a few months to even show from my first cut, or more starting my taper too low, I wonder if my whole taper is a delayed WD taper..??

 

Stable and hold is the plan, at what dose, I am yet to work out...

 

Lots to ponder...

Thanks again... you all throw in a different angle to look at it from...

 

 

[[sl...]]

Hi nova, Cantfly and freeme

Just to empathise with how you are all feeling.

As you know I'm a novice with little experience so can't advise but you have my sympathy  :hug:

 

Just wanted to say that - as freeme says - it is often doctors who is make people pressurised.

Mine still holds with her 50% cuts  each week or thereabouts, she says I'll be fine and I think she really believes that.

She says that she is pressurised because of insurance issues so I just keep praying I have enough  of my extra tablets  to last me.

 

I know I'll probably have to make smaller cuts after about 3mgs but will just have to see how the tablets last out.

I count them obsessively  ...which doesn't help.

I hope you all have better luck with it soon.

I've been lucky so far but must admit I'm very nervous.

[[Sh...]]

Hi Guys... I guess its decision time at 2months post cut...

 

Thinking of dose correcting to 1.5 or even back to 2V again..

 

Was just an epic fail with the medication changes from the specialist...

 

I do wonder how much that exercise last weekend comes into it, as it has been an issue before, And I do feel that I was getting close to a change for the better...

 

It is the photo/day light/time sensitivity, with its anxiety/chemical depression, day fatigue stuff thats the problem...

 

Maybe wait it out another week or two?? That will be all I have in me...??

 

Maybe see what a single rescue dose does...??

 

Part of this is opiate protracted, and some recent WD from specialist trials...

 

Throw your thoughts out there... as usual, no right or wrong answers...

 

Hey Can't...when I got to 2mg and below I could not stabilise anymore. That was pretty much the beginning of acute for me. I had cut from 10 to 2 and stabilised fully to 100% after every cut, with 0 symptoms. But once I hit 2mg that was it. Without being too sure...that may be happening to you as well. After holding for a long time and 1.5 and not stabilising I eventually bit the bullet and tapered off the rest and have been in recovery since.

[[Ca...]]

Hi nova, Cantfly and freeme

Just to empathise with how you are all feeling.

As you know I'm a novice with little experience so can't advise but you have my sympathy  :hug:

 

Just wanted to say that - as freeme says - it is often doctors who is make people pressurised.

Mine still holds with her 50% cuts  each week or thereabouts, she says I'll be fine and I think she really believes that.

She says that she is pressurised because of insurance issues so I just keep praying I have enough  of my extra tablets  to last me.

 

I know I'll probably have to make smaller cuts after about 3mgs but will just have to see how the tablets last out.

I count them obsessively  ...which doesn't help.

I hope you all have better luck with it soon.

I've been lucky so far but must admit I'm very nervous.

Thanks Slowly...

For you and anyone that might be having problems with Drs...

 

This article and its part 2 may be of some help...

 

"Dont harm them twice"

 

https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/11/language-surrounding-benzodiazepines/

 

Theese are our "tools"

(And a good diary)

 

Best wishes...

[[Ca...]]

Hi Guys... I guess its decision time at 2months post cut...

 

Thinking of dose correcting to 1.5 or even back to 2V again..

 

Was just an epic fail with the medication changes from the specialist...

 

I do wonder how much that exercise last weekend comes into it, as it has been an issue before, And I do feel that I was getting close to a change for the better...

 

It is the photo/day light/time sensitivity, with its anxiety/chemical depression, day fatigue stuff thats the problem...

 

Maybe wait it out another week or two?? That will be all I have in me...??

 

Maybe see what a single rescue dose does...??

 

Part of this is opiate protracted, and some recent WD from specialist trials...

 

Throw your thoughts out there... as usual, no right or wrong answers...

 

Hey Can't...when I got to 2mg and below I could not stabilise anymore. That was pretty much the beginning of acute for me. I had cut from 10 to 2 and stabilised fully to 100% after every cut, with 0 symptoms. But once I hit 2mg that was it. Without being too sure...that may be happening to you as well. After holding for a long time and 1.5 and not stabilising I eventually bit the bullet and tapered off the rest and have been in recovery since.

Thanks Shamo...

Hows things now??

-Think I read that you were getting out and about, feeling much better??

 

These sure are a complicated medicine compared to others..!!

 

All the best...

 

[[Sh...]]

Yeah a lot better now at 1 year off. Getting close I reckon...

 

The hardest part for me was tapering off the last 2mg and then the first 6 months of recovery.

[[ly...]]

 

 

I just read a post by a buddie who contacted Ashton's office for advice.  He was told that they now recommend 3 to 4 wks between cuts.  If this is the case I think it should be reflected in the intro comments to new buddies and all references to 1-2 wks should be changed.  I know that BAT recommends 3 wks between cuts.  This could prevent some from getting badly derailed at the outset.

 

 

Wow thanks Lynn!

I understand that is for people doing cut and hold?

 

How does that affect the people who are doing DMT? Is that still a symptom based hold when necessary?

 

Heath

 

This wouldn't impact you Heath.  It's more to allow people to realize all of the wd and recover/adjust before making a further cut.  But...maybe it says something about taking breaks in a DMT(?)

 

That's very interesting, lynn. If you gather up links documenting this and send them on to an Administrator, I'm sure the subject will be discussed. Personally, I don't like to recommend rates in my welcoming posts unless I'm encouraging someone who's going too fast to slow down. When I do post to someone asking a tapering question, I lean very conservative. After all, I'm a slochikaturt! (I wonder what V found when he tried to google that. )

 

Gard

 

Gard, there are no links.  From what I gather this was an email conversation wherein he was seeking advice.  Perhaps the team could contact Ashton's office and seek clarification/update on this issue.  It seems critically important as things can spin out of control quickly when cutting too fast.