The Long Hold Support Group

[[ly...]]

 

 

Hey V, sorry you hit a rough patch.  It's very hard to resist the urge to speed things up - esp. when we feel well.  But...I'm not going to hope you have the flu!  Feel better soon!

[[ly...]]

 

 

Heath,

 

I went ahead and ordered the 1ml syringes after seeing the not so great markings on my 10's. 

[[Va...]]

Hi Jr, or anyone else who would like to chime in,

I've been thinking about your taper. I see you have been micro tapering .01 every day.

That means every 10 days you will have decreased your dose by .1  Right?

 

I am now at 1.12 and cutting .02 every ten days or two weeks. and holding (according to my symptoms). So in 10 days I only cut .02  That's is really really slow!

 

I may want to try to do your same taper once I reach 1.1  ( beginning in February) and  see if my body can handle it.

 

Question... if I reduce my dose  by .02 every two days, isnt that  the same as reducing .01 every day?

 

(The reason I don't want to do .01 mg reduction every day is because....  My ten ml syringe has marks for every 2mg but not for every 1mg. So it's just more accurate to reduce by the line on the syring than between two lines on the syringe) and I will still be using a 10:1 solution of water and Valium.

 

I hope I made myself understandable. Thanks for your help.

 

Heath 

 

Also, I know that when I get lower in my dose I will have to slow down and be very careful of percentages in my cuts. Also put in holds as needed.

Heath, have you considered .005? I know I probably will at the lower levels.  --V

[[Va...]]

 

 

Hey V, sorry you hit a rough patch.  It's very hard to resist the urge to speed things up - esp. when we feel well.  But...I'm not going to hope you have the flu!  Feel better soon!

Thanks Lynn!  Evening windows seem to point to withdrawal. Time to slow myself down. I was feeling 100% normal and in the back of my mind thought I should keep holding and enjoy it, but I gave into the urge to cut unfortunately.  --V

[[be...]]

 

 

Hey V, sorry you hit a rough patch.  It's very hard to resist the urge to speed things up - esp. when we feel well.  But...I'm not going to hope you have the flu!  Feel better soon!

Thanks Lynn!  Evening windows seem to point to withdrawal. Time to slow myself down. I was feeling 100% normal and in the back of my mind thought I should keep holding and enjoy it, but I gave into the urge to cut unfortunately.  --V

Feeling [glow=red,2,300]"Frisky" [/glow] so you decided to plunge in, sometimes we forget when we feel good to just enjoy it, but no, we think we can tweak it before we think it out, sound familiar?, then we cascade into problems.  

[[He...]]

Thanks Lynn, fir reminding me about the 1 ml syringes.

 

I want to make sure I am understanding the procedure...so Lynn, or anyone else who wants to chime in,

 

If I am using a 10:1 solution of Valium and a 1 ml syringe, then the syringe is really holding .1 ml

So if I fill it up to the top it will actually equal .1 ml. Right?

So if I was at 1 ml( 1 mg) dose, and I wanted  to reduce by .01 then I just move the amount in the syringe down one line  Right? And I would be at . 099 mg

An then the next day I would put it down 2 lines, and I would be at .098 mg. Am I understanding that?

 

And keep doing that, until I was at such a low dose that I'd have to reevaluate my cuts to smaller amounts and/or put in more holds.

 

I hope that's right, or else I just don't understand. Yikes! Help!

 

Heath  

[[Va...]]

 

 

Hey V, sorry you hit a rough patch.  It's very hard to resist the urge to speed things up - esp. when we feel well.  But...I'm not going to hope you have the flu!  Feel better soon!

Thanks Lynn!  Evening windows seem to point to withdrawal. Time to slow myself down. I was feeling 100% normal and in the back of my mind thought I should keep holding and enjoy it, but I gave into the urge to cut unfortunately.  --V

Feeling [glow=red,2,300]"Frisky" [/glow] so you decided to plunge in, sometimes we forget when we feel good to just enjoy it, but no, we think we can tweak it before we think it out, sound familiar?, then we cascade into problems.

LOL. The sad thing is I KNEW I would probably regret it.  --V

[[be...]]

 

 

Hey V, sorry you hit a rough patch.  It's very hard to resist the urge to speed things up - esp. when we feel well.  But...I'm not going to hope you have the flu!  Feel better soon!

Thanks Lynn!  Evening windows seem to point to withdrawal. Time to slow myself down. I was feeling 100% normal and in the back of my mind thought I should keep holding and enjoy it, but I gave into the urge to cut unfortunately.  --V

Feeling [glow=red,2,300]"Frisky" [/glow] so you decided to plunge in, sometimes we forget when we feel good to just enjoy it, but no, we think we can tweak it before we think it out, sound familiar?, then we cascade into problems.

LOL. The sad thing is I KNEW I would probably regret it.  --V

Sad indeed, but it is life, but with benzo's they have no mercy.  

[[Va...]]

Thanks Lynn, fir reminding me about the 1 ml syringes.

 

I want to make sure I am understanding the procedure...so Lynn, or anyone else who wants to chime in,

 

If I am using a 10:1 solution of Valium and a 1 ml syringe, then the syringe is really holding .1 ml

So if I fill it up to the top it will actually equal .1 ml. Right?

So if I was at 1 ml( 1 mg) dose, and I wanted  to reduce by .01 then I just move the amount in the syringe down one line  Right? And I would be at . 099 mg

An then the next day I would put it down 2 lines, and I would be at .098 mg. Am I understanding that?

 

And keep doing that, until I was at such a low dose that I'd have to reevaluate my cuts to smaller amounts and/or put in more holds.

 

I hope that's right, or else I just don't understand. Yikes! Help!

 

Heath  

You are correct Heath. 

[[He...]]

Hi Jr, or anyone else who would like to chime in,

I've been thinking about your taper. I see you have been micro tapering .01 every day.

That means every 10 days you will have decreased your dose by .1  Right?

 

I am now at 1.12 and cutting .02 every ten days or two weeks. and holding (according to my symptoms). So in 10 days I only cut .02  That's is really really slow!

 

I may want to try to do your same taper once I reach 1.1  ( beginning in February) and  see if my body can handle it.

 

Question... if I reduce my dose  by .02 every two days, isnt that  the same as reducing .01 every day?

 

(The reason I don't want to do .01 mg reduction every day is because....  My ten ml syringe has marks for every 2mg but not for every 1mg. So it's just more accurate to reduce by the line on the syring than between two lines on the syringe) and I will still be using a 10:1 solution of water and Valium.

 

I hope I made myself understandable. Thanks for your help.

 

Heath 

 

Also, I know that when I get lower in my dose I will have to slow down and be very careful of percentages in my cuts. Also put in holds as needed.

Heath, have you considered .005? I know I probably will at the lower levels.  --V

 

Hey V.... WHAT?  .005 ?  How would I measure that?  .01 and hold for a day each time?

Heath

[[Va...]]

Hi Jr, or anyone else who would like to chime in,

I've been thinking about your taper. I see you have been micro tapering .01 every day.

That means every 10 days you will have decreased your dose by .1  Right?

 

I am now at 1.12 and cutting .02 every ten days or two weeks. and holding (according to my symptoms). So in 10 days I only cut .02  That's is really really slow!

 

I may want to try to do your same taper once I reach 1.1  ( beginning in February) and  see if my body can handle it.

 

Question... if I reduce my dose  by .02 every two days, isnt that  the same as reducing .01 every day?

 

(The reason I don't want to do .01 mg reduction every day is because....  My ten ml syringe has marks for every 2mg but not for every 1mg. So it's just more accurate to reduce by the line on the syring than between two lines on the syringe) and I will still be using a 10:1 solution of water and Valium.

 

I hope I made myself understandable. Thanks for your help.

 

Heath 

 

Also, I know that when I get lower in my dose I will have to slow down and be very careful of percentages in my cuts. Also put in holds as needed.

Heath, have you considered .005? I know I probably will at the lower levels.  --V

 

Hey V.... WHAT?  .005 ?  How would I measure that? 

Heath

I have to keep changing my answer lol. .005 wouldn't be hard if you dilute 100:1.  --V

[[...]]

MiYu, I definitely had pain and muscle stiffness during my hold. I even had an MRI because my neck hurt so bad. It has let up but I still have periods of muscle soreness and nerve pain.  --V

 

Thanks for responding V, I'm sorry you hit a rough patch  I hope it passes soon.

 

And ATU ,  Begood , and Heath , Lynn , thank you also for your responses, hope you are all doing ok . I guess Valium causes particular muscle issues ....

 

The morning pain subsided into burning this afternoon 

 

Love, MiYu

[[ga...]]

Gard,

Hope your hold is going well!

Heath

 

Thanks, Heath. I started cutting again and am not feeling so great after only 4 days. Maybe I need to make smaller cuts. Or more frequent holds. Thinking about it.

 

Gard

[[an...]]

Hi Valley,

 

I am sorry you are feeling an uptick in symptoms.  It is always to tempting to cut when feeling better.  I am sure you will get back to normal soon.

 

Take care

Anne  :smitten:

[[Va...]]

Hi Valley,

 

I am sorry you are feeling an uptick in symptoms.  It is always to tempting to cut when feeling better.  I am sure you will get back to normal soon.

 

Take care

Anne  :smitten:

Thanks Anne! --V

[[He...]]

I have to keep changing my answer lol. .005 wouldn't be hard if you dilute 100:1.  --V

« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 02:59:00 am by Valley Um »

 

 

 

 

Thanks v.

Hope your blips are on their way out! Sorry to hear about that.

 

Re a .005 dose cut,

 

So I would mix 90 ml of water and 10 ml of Valium

And I would take .005 out of my dose every day.?

 

And that would equal  a cut of .01 after two days. Right? And after 20 days I will have cut .1  right?

 

I only have syringes. No beaker. I guess I'd have to get a beaker to mix the 90 ml of water.

Would you please check my math and make sure I have it correct? REALLY NOT SURE.

 

Also, isnt that basically the same as using a 10:1 solution and cutting .01 every other day for 20 days

( 10 cuts with a one day hold between every cut)  Wouldn't that also equal a .1 cut after 20 days?

 

Just saying, it sounds easier to me with the 10:1solution. Do you think it would make  a big difference in how I would heal?

 

Thanks, Heath

[[no...]]

Hi Heath  Hope this post below will help you out, if not feel free to ask any questions you still have 

 

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

 

 

 

 

 

  Diaz-Pam

 

   

Example of a Valium/Diazepam Daily Reduction Method

« on: December 22, 2013, 02:53:25 am »

 

    For quite a while  I’ve had the daily tapering method that I use in my progress log, with a link to it in my signature. I know that a number of people have found it helpful, and that’s been fantastic. However, I don’t want to take all the credit for it. It was Fliprain who taught me the basics of this method and I’ve just expanded on it with the liquid valium. So, I’m just “paying it forward”.

 

Anyway, I’ve realised that the problem with having it in my progress log is that if anyone has a question, they can’t post it directly onto the thread because no one can post a reply on a progress log. Instead they would have to PM me. So to solve that problem I am creating a new thread here, so if anyone has a question they can ask directly on this thread.

 

Firstly, there are no right or wrong methods of tapering, provided it is a sensible tapering method (I saw one posted recently that was just plain crazy…). They all get you to the same end result of zero, but it just depends on the method that you find the easiest to manage, and the one that gives you as few symptoms as possible.

 

I know how overwhelming daily tapering can seem when you are new to it, so I have tried to set this out as simply as possible, showing how to make up a basic 1mg:100ml mixture.  I know how complicated it can sound when you are starting out, but it really is easy once you start doing it. I’ve never come across anyone who hasn’t been able to work out how to do a daily taper.

 

Just take one step at a time. Try not to over-think it. Sometimes it helps to just start out by making up your liquid mixture but not reduce anything for a while, just to get used to doing that part of the process, until you feel more confident with what you are doing.

 

Cutting Tablets: I will start by saying that this method will require the cutting of 2mg tablets in halves. While there are some people who will say this is not advisable, there are just as many people who will say it doesn’t matter because of the extended half-life of valium. The only proviso is that the cut halves should be used as consecutive doses, so any inconsistencies will even out over a day or two.

 

I personally cut my tablets all the way from 5mg down to 1mg and I never had any problems, but I'm not everyone. So, if cutting your tablets is a concern for you I have explained how you can avoid doing that later in this post. Also, some brands of valium tablets are larger than others, so if you plan on cutting your tablets make sure the brand you use is one that is already scored in the middle. Some brands are quite small and are not scored (eg Apo) and these are not recommended for cutting. The brand I used was Antenex which I found to be very good for cutting.

 

Ratios of Mixture: There are other ratios that can be used other than the 1:100 ratio that I use (eg 1:10), but I prefer this ratio because you are using more liquid, making the measuring of doses much easier to see. Also, because the solution is less concentrated, I think any minor inconsistencies in the doses aren’t going to be a problem. However, this is an individual choice and you may prefer to modify this method to a different ratio, and that’s fine.

 

EQUIPMENT REQUIRED

 

Nothing fancy is needed. You just need a 1ml and a 10ml syringe and 2-3 glass jars with lids that hold at least 100ml. Smaller glass jars with a wider top are best because it makes it easier to fit the 10ml syringe in (good types to use are baby food jars, jam/jelly jars etc). That's all the equipment you will need. I also prefer to make up a couple of batches at a time, so I always have one ready to use. You don't need a special 100ml graduated cylinder or a mortor and pestle. I think a lot of methods get far too complicated with the equipment that's required. KISS (Keep it Simple – Sweetie...lol...).

 

Just a tip - to stop the numbers from wearing off the syringes, you can put some clear tape over the numbers. However, I find that after a while the rubber on the plunger starts to wear out anyway, so that's when you need to toss it.

 

MAKING UP THE LIQUID SOLUTION

 

I will start by explaining how to make up the 1:100ml solution, and then below is the tapering schedule. To measure the 100ml just use the 10ml syringe x 10 fills. Something that I found made life a bit easier is that my kitchen scales would measure in mls (it’s the same as grams). So all I had to do was put my valium in the jar and then slowly pour in the water/milk until it reached 100ml (I would use my 10ml syringe for the final few mls just so it didn’t go over the 100ml). I tested the scale’s accuracy numerous times with my 10ml syringe and it was very accurate. However, if this method makes you a bit nervous, just stick with using the 10ml syringe, but the kitchen scale can help you keep track of how many fills you have made.

 

(a) If you are using valium tablets only

 

Add 1mg valium tablet to 100ml full fat milk and allow to dissolve. The fat helps to keep the valium suspended, but when drawing out the required dose, make sure you keep it mixed well by doing a backwards and forwards swishing movement. A lot of people avoid stirring and shaking, as stirring can create a vortex, and shaking can cause bubbles and can leave particles stuck to the side of the jar.

 

If you are unable to use cow's milk, people have had success with other types of milk like almond, soy etc. The main thing is to make sure the fat content is similar to the fat content of whole milk.

 

(b) If you are using liquid valium (1mg=1ml ratio / 10mg=10ml ratio) + tablets

 

Add 1ml of liquid Valium to 99ml of water (this makes a total of 100ml).

 

© If you are using liquid valium (2mg=5ml ratio) + tablets

 

When the liquid ratio is 2mg=5ml, that means that 1mg = 2.5ml. So add 2.5ml of liquid valium to 97.5ml of water (this makes a total of 100ml).

 

REDUCTION METHOD

 

This has now converted your 1mg of valium (liquid or tablet) into a 100ml liquid mixture, which can be reduced over a period of time, hopefully giving you a slow and smooth taper with few side effects.

 

The next step is to work out how you want to reduce the 1mg. This can be worked out on a percentage basis or as the number of days you want to take to reduce this amount. My preference is the number of days, because I’m not much good at working out percentages ..lol…

 

Below are the number of mls you would need to reduce each day to achieve the required number of (approx) days shown. Of course most people will be taking more than a 1mg dose, so you would take your additional dose in tablet form (ie if your dose is 6mg, you would use the 100ml mixture for 1mg and take an additional 5mg in tablet form).

 

Reduce 100ml by 10ml per day = 10 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 9.5ml per day = 11 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 9ml per day = 11 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 8.5ml per day = 12 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 8ml per day = 12 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 7.5ml per day = 13 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 7ml per day = 14 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 6.5ml per day = 15 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 6ml per day = 16 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 5.5ml per day = 18 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 5ml per day = 20 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 4.5ml per day = 22 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 4ml per day = 25 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 3.5ml per day = 28 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 3ml per day = 33 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 2.5ml per day = 40 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 2ml per day = 50 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 1.5ml per day = 66 days to reduce 1mg

Reduce 100ml by 1ml per day = 100 days to reduce 1mg

 

So, using the red highlighted amount as an example, this would be your dosing schedule (+ you would also need to take whatever amount you needed to take in tablet form to make up your full dose).

 

Day 1 – Drink the 100ml solution

Day 2 – Make a new solution and drink 98ml (you can either discard the rest or use it to make up part of your next day’s dose)

Day 3 – Make a new solution and drink 96ml (discard or use remainder the next day)

Day 4 – Make a new solution and drink 94ml (discard or use remainder the next day)

Day 5 – Make a new solution and drink 92ml (discard or use remainder the next day)

Day 6 – Make a new solution and drink 90ml (discard or use remainder the next day)

 

etc …….. until you reach zero. Then you would start the process again, but reduce the amount of tablets you are taking by 1mg, because you have now reduced your dose by 1mg.

 

To ensure you have gotten every part of your dose, especially if you are using milk, after drinking your dose you can add some water to the glass, swish around and drink the water.

 

This method can be used for a once a day dosing, or multiple daily dosing. For multiple daily dosing, just divide your doses as normal, and then choose which of your doses you will reduce. You may prefer to just reduce (eg) your morning dose to zero first, and then reduce your other doses later. Or you may decide to alternate the reductions to cover all your doses at the same time. I'm not sure what is the best way to go, because I am a once a day doser, so I would prefer not to give any advice on that subject.

 

Also, make sure you keep a journal of each day's dose and maybe a note of how you are feeling. My recommendation with any daily taper is that you start with a lower daily reduction amount than you think you need because it is much easier to increase your taper rather than suffer side effects and have to hold and decrease. Everyone will react differently to the half-life of valium, so it may take up to 2 weeks before you will know how well you are doing with the taper amount you have chosen. So keeping a note of daily symptoms will help you keep a track of how everything is going, so you can make any necessary adjustments.

 

IF YOU PREFER TO AVOID CUTTING TABLETS

 

Using this method, it will be inevitable that at some point you are going to have to cut your tablets, but if you would like to try to avoid doing that as much as possible, you can make up a larger mixture by using a 2:200 ratio. All you will need to do is double the amounts shown above (ie 2mg tablet with 200ml of milk). This will simply double the amount of liquid you have, but you will still reduce by the same quantities shown above.

 

 

SOME TIPS I’VE PICKED UP ALONG THE WAY

 

(a) Potency of Solution: I have read some speculation over a period of time that when a mixture is made using valium and water or valium and milk it may lose its potency over a period of time.  I don’t know if there is any scientific proof of this, but after experiencing an issue which made me think this could be true, I now only make enough to last no more than 5 days just to be on the safe side.

 

If you are getting to a point in your taper where the 100ml solution is lasting a lot longer than about 5 days, you could either just throw away any remaining mixture, or try making up a smaller proportioned batch (eg 0.5ml liquid valium with 50ml water or 0.2ml liquid valium with 20ml water).

 

(b) Changing from tablets to liquid (or vice versa): If you do a switch from using a combination of tablets and liquid to all liquid, or even if you switch to different brands of tablets or liquid, it might be helpful to hold your dose for a while, or even do a small updose, just to make sure things go smoothly with the transition.

 

© Slow is Good: The biggest lesson I have learned, and I can’t emphasise this enough, is do not think that tapering faster will get you off the benzo quicker and therefore you will get better faster. YOU WON’T. You can not fool your body, and your body will always have the last word. Try to taper faster and your body will just say “NO YOU DON’T. I’M IN CHARGE”, and you’ll take a hit. I’ve seen it happen time and time again.

 

The way I see it, we all have a predetermined amount of time for healing, and therefore we only have two choices to make. We can either go fast to get the actual taper over and done with, but probably suffer the entire time we are tapering and also continue to suffer for an undetermined amount of time afterwards until we heal. Or we can go slow, taper at a rate that our bodies find acceptable, thereby giving us either no or manageable symptoms and allowing us to live a relatively normal life. Then when we finally step off at the end we are almost healed, or for some people fully healed.

 

Even going too fast with a daily taper will almost always have the paradoxical effect of actually making your taper time slower. That has happened to me a few times. I’ve increased my daily taper, ignored the signs that things weren’t right, and then I’ve been hit and had to hold my dose until things got better. This has meant that the entire amount of time taken has been longer than if I’d just stuck with the lower daily taper in the first place. It’s false economy, or in the words of Lewis Carroll “The hurrier I go, the behinder I get”.

 

I have battled with my impatience my entire taper until I finally took a major hit at the 1mg mark. That was the point where I finally slapped myself and said “ENOUGH”. This final leg of my taper is being done slowly and carefully and (touch wood) I am currently symptom free. That makes me certain that when my taper is finally finished I will be as close to fully healed as possible.

 

Good Luck!!!  If you have any questions just ask.

[[no...]]

 

 

Thanks Nova!  How long did it take before you had problems?  I was thinking that with xanax I should know in 3-5 days.  My taper plan for the next month is a reduction of about half (percent-wise) of my last couple of cuts.  I thought I might play it by ear(?).

Hi Lynn  The first time it was the next day after the first liquid cut, and I had to go back on the pills for a while, the next time it took me totally by surprise further along and put me in hell but I can't remember exactly how long, but I do remember I felt okay for a while and only a bit of discomfort which was nothing to stop me. Then it hit me and I've been trying to get stabilised since that was in approx April 2015, and I recently had to updose back to where I was December 2014 while tapering by myself, but still able to live a life even with symptoms.

 

 

I'm now on  week 9 of my hold and still not stable, I'm still cycling from hell, to bad, to so so, to okay, to good then hell, and repeat  again  and a usual having problems with the !%^*?!! upstairs. The housing officer was calling here with the management this Thursday gone to try sot something out to help but I was too unwell  with symptoms so had to cancel and now have to arrange another meeting.

 

BUT.. that being said when I was stable before I could deal with everything and anything without it being catastrophic or knocking me to far backwards, sure I had symptoms but they were nowhere near what they've been these last two years, at least then I could get into a car or on a bus.

 

And I could come home to a peaceful home or go to my ex's where there was no-one above me either. The  last time I went near a vehicle was April 2015, it was bus and al hell broke loose and I didn't know why, I bloody know now though  Man!! I am praying I can stabilise and move the hell outta here, lots of peole want to exchange with me but I can't do it, hopefully this updose and hold will sort me out soon

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

[[ly...]]

 

 

Thanks again Nova.  I'm going to play this by ear.  I think I'll taper for 10 days then hold for 10 days, rinse and repeat.  With xanax's short action I should know within the 10 day holds if things are going south.  My initial liquid dose was a cut of about 4%.  This is day 4 holding at that and I've only noticed some very slight things.  Since I'm getting quite low the cuts will be higher than the "guidelines" but still lower than my recent ones.  Lots of trial and error (and error!) for us all here.  I do think that the daily micro-taper is much easier on the brain - far less of a shock.

[[Va...]]

I have to keep changing my answer lol. .005 wouldn't be hard if you dilute 100:1.  --V

« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 02:59:00 am by Valley Um »

 

 

 

 

Thanks v.

Hope your blips are on their way out! Sorry to hear about that.

 

Re a .005 dose cut,

 

So I would mix 90 ml of water and 10 ml of Valium

And I would take .005 out of my dose every day.?

 

And that would equal  a cut of .01 after two days. Right? And after 20 days I will have cut .1  right?

 

I only have syringes. No beaker. I guess I'd have to get a beaker to mix the 90 ml of water.

Would you please check my math and make sure I have it correct? REALLY NOT SURE.

 

Also, isnt that basically the same as using a 10:1 solution and cutting .01 every other day for 20 days

( 10 cuts with a one day hold between every cut)  Wouldn't that also equal a .1 cut after 20 days?

 

Just saying, it sounds easier to me with the 10:1solution. Do you think it would make  a big difference in how I would heal?

 

Thanks, Heath

Hi Heath. You would actually be mixing 1mg per 100ml of solution. So if you have 2mg pills, you would dilute with 200ml solution. You can make much smaller cuts if needed when you dilute this way. I think the chart nova put up helps a lot.  --V

[[Va...]]

 

 

Thanks again Nova.  I'm going to play this by ear.  I think I'll taper for 10 days then hold for 10 days, rinse and repeat.  With xanax's short action I should know within the 10 day holds if things are going south.  My initial liquid dose was a cut of about 4%.  This is day 4 holding at that and I've only noticed some very slight things.  Since I'm getting quite low the cuts will be higher than the "guidelines" but still lower than my recent ones.  Lots of trial and error (and error!) for us all here.  I do think that the daily micro-taper is much easier on the brain - far less of a shock.

That's how I have my taper set up lynn and it actually works very well if I follow it and don't try to reduce faster.  --V

[[He...]]

Hi V and Nova,

I don't use pills, I use Roxanne liquid. Using only the ten ml syringe,  I mix 90 mg water and 10 mg Roxanne liquid to make my 10:1 solution.

So that turns into .01 for every line on the ten ml  Syringe.  That part I understand.

 

Now that I read what Dizapam says about mixing a 100 :1 solution, I think I understand..is this correct?

 

Using water

I would mix 9x the 10 ml syringe =90 ml

and then only 9 ml more= 9 ml  Adding those together I would get 99ml water.

Then I would only use 1ml Valium (not 10 like in my previous 10:1 solution )

Now I would have    99 ml water + 1 ml Valium. =100 ml total

 

Is that correct?

If that is correct, great, but here's my problem... if I started this at a dose of 1 mg,  I'd have to make a new mixture every day! Please know that I don't mean to sound negative or in anyway saying anything wrong, I am just trying to understand. but Isn't it crazy to have to mix a solution every single day?

 

The way I do it now, I can mix my 10 :1 solution and take off one line on the 10ml syringe every time I dose and it will equal a reduction of .01 every day. Or if I hold it for two days, it's almost just like .005 every day.. (I can use the 1 mg syringe for accuracy when  I draw up my dose too)  or does it not work that way? This way my solution will last for atleast a week or more.

Isn't that more sensible?  Am I all mixed up?

 

Heath

 

 

[[Va...]]

Hi V and Nova,

I don't use pills, I use Roxanne liquid. Using only the ten ml syringe,  I mix 90 mg water and 10 mg Roxanne liquid to make my 10:1 solution.

So that turns into .01 for every line on the ten ml  Syringe.  That part I understand.

 

Now that I read what Dizapam says about mixing a 100 :1 solution, I think I understand..is this right?

 

Using water

I would mix 9x the 10 ml syringe =90 ml

and then only 9 ml more= 9 ml  Adding those together I would get 99ml water.

Then I would only use 1ml Valium (not 10 like in my previous 10:1 solution )

Now I would have    99 ml water + 1 ml Valium. =100 ml total

 

Is that right?

If that is right, great, but here's my problem... if I started this at a dose of 1 mg,  I'd have to make a new mixture every day!  Isn't that crazy?

The way I do it now, I can mix my 10 :1 solution and take off one line on the 10ml syringe and it will equal a reduction of .01 every day. Or if I hold it fir two days, it's almost just like .005 every day.. or does it not work that way? and my solution will last for atleast a week or more.

Isn't that more sensible?  Am I all mixed up?

Heath

You're actually doing fine Heath  you could make a mixture with 500ml to last 5 days if you want to use the 100:1 ratio. You should be able to stay with the 10:1 solution though or even move to a 20:1 solution to make smaller cuts. When I started liquid titration I was using a mixture with .5mg of V per 1ml using a 20:1 solution. It should be easier that way and you wouldn't have to toss any.  --V

[[ly...]]

Hi V and Nova,

I don't use pills, I use Roxanne liquid. Using only the ten ml syringe,  I mix 90 mg water and 10 mg Roxanne liquid to make my 10:1 solution.

So that turns into .01 for every line on the ten ml  Syringe.  That part I understand.

 

Now that I read what Dizapam says about mixing a 100 :1 solution, I think I understand..is this right?

 

Using water

I would mix 9x the 10 ml syringe =90 ml

and then only 9 ml more= 9 ml  Adding those together I would get 99ml water.

Then I would only use 1ml Valium (not 10 like in my previous 10:1 solution )

Now I would have    99 ml water + 1 ml Valium. =100 ml total

 

Is that right?

If that is right, great, but here's my problem... if I started this at a dose of 1 mg,  I'd have to make a new mixture every day!  Isn't that crazy?

The way I do it now, I can mix my 10 :1 solution and take off one line on the 10ml syringe and it will equal a reduction of .01 every day. Or if I hold it fir two days, it's almost just like .005 every day.. or does it not work that way? and my solution will last for atleast a week or more.

Isn't that more sensible?  Am I all mixed up?

Heath

 

Also, when I pull out my dose,from the 10:1 solution, I could use the 1 mi syringe to be more accurate.

 

Heath,

 

I would stay with your current dilution and use a 1ml syringe to get the small portion accurate.  This is what I am doing.  My mix lasts about 10 days.  I take the whole ML's out with the 10ml syringe and the fractions out with the 1ml syringe.  The lines on the 10ml syringe make me nervous.

[[jr...]]

Hi V and Nova,

I don't use pills, I use Roxanne liquid. Using only the ten ml syringe,  I mix 90 mg water and 10 mg Roxanne liquid to make my 10:1 solution.

So that turns into .01 for every line on the ten ml  Syringe.  That part I understand.

 

Now that I read what Dizapam says about mixing a 100 :1 solution, I think I understand..is this right?

 

Using water

I would mix 9x the 10 ml syringe =90 ml

and then only 9 ml more= 9 ml  Adding those together I would get 99ml water.

Then I would only use 1ml Valium (not 10 like in my previous 10:1 solution )

Now I would have    99 ml water + 1 ml Valium. =100 ml total

 

Is that right?

If that is right, great, but here's my problem... if I started this at a dose of 1 mg,  I'd have to make a new mixture every day!  Isn't that crazy?

The way I do it now, I can mix my 10 :1 solution and take off one line on the 10ml syringe and it will equal a reduction of .01 every day. Or if I hold it fir two days, it's almost just like .005 every day.. or does it not work that way? and my solution will last for atleast a week or more.

Isn't that more sensible?  Am I all mixed up?

Heath

 

Also, when I pull out my dose,from the 10:1 solution, I could use the 1 mi syringe to be more accurate.

 

Heath,

 

I would stay with your current dilution and use a 1ml syringe to get the small portion accurate.  This is what I am doing.  My mix lasts about 10 days.  I take the whole ML's out with the 10ml syringe and the fractions out with the 1ml syringe.  The lines on the 10ml syringe make me nervous.

 

Lynn, How many times a day are you dosing?