Am I being unreasonable about the Coronavirus??

[[ca...]]

During withdrawal, everyone is more susceptible to common stuff due to hormone disruptions, poor sleep, fatigue, etc. It is reasonable to take some precautions even if just against the regular flu. Good hand washing, not touching your face when out, wiping down frequently touched objects like doorknob, keys, and phone are prudent. Some immune boosting supplements won't harm you.

 

Many argue wearing even an n95 mask "doesn't do anything," but indeed it does.  Although virus particles can be quite small (smaller than the 3micron filtration) most of the time they are attached to dust, water droplets, or mucous. That increases the size. Screening out something is better than nothing. Is it 100%? No, but neither is anything else. If masks were completely ineffective, everyone in hospitals treating people wouldn't need one; yet all photos show people wearing them. If using one also makes you feel better, what's the harm?

 

Your mom. If someone's belief system gets overwhelmed with fear, it can cause aggression from cognitive dissonance. Means they "just can't believe it's happening," so they instinctively fight back. It doesn't have to be sensible. She might feel helpless or even think if she just doesn't believe in it, nothing bad will happen. There's no way to reason with it.

 

Do not dwell on something beyond your control as it will only stress you. Concentrate on the positives including your progress.  You're not alone. Reach out here if you need to.

 

I wanted to thank you for these comforting words.  You are right about her aggression being born out of fear. I’m trying to be indifferent to it but its tough to deflect what she is projecting.  Especially in this sensitive condition.  Also thank you to all who are contributing their thoughts on this virus.  Regardless whether we agree, do not agree or agree to disagree, I’m sort of glad to see we are putting input into something other than the symptoms we are feeling on a day to day basis.  For me at least, it’s a rather nice change. Just wish the chosen topic didnt happen to be something as insidious as a virus

[[Ca...]]

Way to go Castillo, -thats the attitude that will get you through near anything..

 

[[pi...]]

Agree that taking precautions is better than nothing. Wearing even a regular mask is better than nothing as it can prevent most viruses.

 

I disagree that this is the new flu. The fatality rate is higher and in general causes a more severe respiratory reaction leading to fluid buildup in the lungs, complications and death. Most people in China who died did not come into direct contact with animals, including healthcare workers in Wuhan. I’d compare this to SARS and not the seasonal flu. And SARS was definitely not just a media frenzy

 

I read an article by a well known and respected infectious disease specialist that said wearing masks can actually be more damaging.  Masks are not necessary unless you are sick. 

 

Being wise is important. Proper hand washing is one of the best ways to prevent illness. It takes something like this for people to learn how to wash their hands and still I don't believe everyone is practicing it. 

 

Everyone I know, including us, is on a wait and see approach to our spring break trips.  That is also wise. We will decide much later on if it is worth the risk to travel. Our state has no cases thus far and neither does the state we are going to.  Of course, the concern would be the air travel. 

 

 

[[Ch...]]

Free speech and a free press are vital for information.  Journalists often put their lives on the line in order to report events, especially when negative comments are made to incite others against the freedom of information. Castigating the press in general is dangerous.

 

Had China’s whistleblower doctor been allowed to speak to the press, this outbreak may have been contained much earlier. But he was not, and it was not.

 

Listen to the experts, the scientists, the WHO. Leave masks for the medical community who needs them way more than the average person.

[[Ka...]]

as far as I understand N95 respirator masks are supposed to work, it's regular masks that don't work against coronavirus? of course we'll only be needing those if it really spreads all over the place, otherwise it's just good handwashing and normal precautions recommendation.

[[Pt...]]

Agree that taking precautions is better than nothing. Wearing even a regular mask is better than nothing as it can prevent most viruses.

 

I disagree that this is the new flu. The fatality rate is higher and in general causes a more severe respiratory reaction leading to fluid buildup in the lungs, complications and death. Most people in China who died did not come into direct contact with animals, including healthcare workers in Wuhan. I’d compare this to SARS and not the seasonal flu. And SARS was definitely not just a media frenzy

 

I read an article by a well known and respected infectious disease specialist that said wearing masks can actually be more damaging.  Masks are not necessary unless you are sick. 

 

Being wise is important. Proper hand washing is one of the best ways to prevent illness. It takes something like this for people to learn how to wash their hands and still I don't believe everyone is practicing it. 

 

Everyone I know, including us, is on a wait and see approach to our spring break trips.  That is also wise. We will decide much later on if it is worth the risk to travel. Our state has no cases thus far and neither does the state we are going to.  Of course, the concern would be the air travel.

 

Then why do all healthcare workers put up a sign that. Says DROPLET PRECAUTIONS making it a requirement for all healthcare personnel to wear a regular mask when coming into contact with any respiratory infectious disease patient? And why are cancer patients themselves with low immunity after chemo encouraged to wear a mask to prevent getting sick from other people carrying viruses?

[[Fl...]]

Being wise is important. Proper hand washing is one of the best ways to prevent illness. It takes something like this for people to learn how to wash their hands and still I don't believe everyone is practicing it.

 

I have a bad habit of touching my face. I have tried to break myself of it over the years but I still catch myself doing it often. Pretty sure this is why I used to get sick all of the time. I really, really can't afford to catch any kind of cooties right now so I'm trying to be extra vigilant.

 

 

[[va...]]

Following. I'm really concerned about this new virus. I'm also a compulsive face toucher. It's unconscious. I can't help it. I never made the connection between being sick all winter and my face touching but who knows.

[[Ca...]]

A bit of tape on finger tips may help is you can stand it.. Just to help break the habit..??

I did it for different reasons, -I was chewing my fingers to bits in hospital..

 

[[Pa...]]

Being wise is important. Proper hand washing is one of the best ways to prevent illness. It takes something like this for people to learn how to wash their hands and still I don't believe everyone is practicing it.

 

I have a bad habit of touching my face. I have tried to break myself of it over the years but I still catch myself doing it often. Pretty sure this is why I used to get sick all of the time. I really, really can't afford to catch any kind of cooties right now so I'm trying to be extra vigilant.

 

I did a little experiment a few days ago and, I wore some disposable gloves for a few hours, I even went to the store.  What I found out is, I won't touch my face when wearing gloves, I think it can be a great way to learn better habits.

[[te...]]

Free speech and a free press are vital for information.  Journalists often put their lives on the line in order to report events, especially when negative comments are made to incite others against the freedom of info

 

 

rmation. Castigating the press in general is dangerous.

 

Had China’s whistleblower doctor been allowed to speak to the press, this outbreak may have been contained much earlier. But he was not, and it was not.

 

Listen to the experts, the scientists, the WHO. Leave masks for the medical community who needs them way more than the average person.

 

Sorry to disagree boss but the English speakin press is whipping up panic. English is not my first language so I don't need to read it and get a much more balanced view from other languages.

 

The US and UK press are only free in as much as that the content is not censored. Sometimes it should be. When you got a press controlled by multibillionaired, you are not going to get a balanced view.

 

War journalists are brave folk.

 

As for China, I lived there and know how things work. The attempt to hush things up was made by local government officials, not central government who was not told. This is no different to the mercury poisoning scandal in the USA. And now the USA press is hushing things up, just like they did with injuries after the Iran missile attack. We are hearing now of folks who died before hearing they got infected.

 

Very difficult to find an unbiased press now, especially when there is so much fake news on social media. Both USA and UK have a lot of uneducated folk what believes everything they read. Not so much in continental countries.

 

I like Pammy's comment about wearing gloves. Pretty much everyone touches there face. That's why the mask is good - you can't touch your mouth when you got one on. The main reason so many Asians wear masks always, not just now, is out of consideration for others. This is a concept we have lost in the west.

 

This virus will eventually disappear like all the others.

 

Any scared folk reading here should consciously try to avoid all the virus news including on these forums, because their are a few sickk folk who want to drag others down into their discomfort zone.

[[pi...]]

Free speech and a free press are vital for information.  Journalists often put their lives on the line in order to report events, especially when negative comments are made to incite others against the freedom of info

 

 

rmation. Castigating the press in general is dangerous.

 

Had China’s whistleblower doctor been allowed to speak to the press, this outbreak may have been contained much earlier. But he was not, and it was not.

 

Listen to the experts, the scientists, the WHO. Leave masks for the medical community who needs them way more than the average person.

 

Sorry to disagree boss but the English speakin press is whipping up panic. English is not my first language so I don't need to read it and get a much more balanced view from other languages.

 

The US and UK press are only free in as much as that the content is not censored. Sometimes it should be. When you got a press controlled by multibillionaired, you are not going to get a balanced view.

 

War journalists are brave folk.

 

As for China, I lived there and know how things work. The attempt to hush things up was made by local government officials, not central government who was not told. This is no different to the mercury poisoning scandal in the USA. And now the USA press is hushing things up, just like they did with injuries after the Iran missile attack. We are hearing now of folks who died before hearing they got infected.

 

Very difficult to find an unbiased press now, especially when there is so much fake news on social media. Both USA and UK have a lot of uneducated folk what believes everything they read. Not so much in continental countries.

 

I like Pammy's comment about wearing gloves. Pretty much everyone touches there face. That's why the mask is good - you can't touch your mouth when you got one on. The main reason so many Asians wear masks always, not just now, is out of consideration for others. This is a concept we have lost in the west.

 

This virus will eventually disappear like all the others.

 

Any scared folk reading here should consciously try to avoid all the virus news including on these forums, because their are a few sickk folk who want to drag others down into their discomfort zone.

 

Let's not let this discussion veer into politics.  We do not allow political discussion on the forum. This has been attempted many times in the past with dire results. The world is simply too polarized to allow for this. Frankly, our mission is to support and encourage those going through the withdrawal process and it should be our primary emphasis.

 

People need to know the proper way to avoid getting sick, any kind of sickness. Most people really never used thorough hand washing techniques, perhaps until now. I do think that the media has given the public a lot of good information in this regard. The use of masks, if you are not ill, is really not necessary. I have been around doctors, hospitals and clinics where a doctor never wore a mask whether I was well or ill. 

 

The virus is not likely to just disappear, it may become less virulent and eventually, not before sometime next year at the earliest, there will be a vaccine.

 

pianogirl

[[te...]]

This is a shred which should get trashed, like what it got on other mental health forums. Free speech means jack shit if it harms the weak and vulnerable. On MH forums we got more than on a normal forum.

 

I think folk here is intelligent enough to work out why the shred should get trashed. OCDers know they shouldn't be feeding their fears by reading this stuff but can't stop themselves doing so. HAers looking for reassurin g won't find it, and just get more panicky about the whole thing.

 

So bosses, please do everyone a favor. It's happened on other online forums.

 

Thanks on behalf of the silent majority.

[[Ca...]]

Huh..!!??

Well that wasnt half predictable.. “My way or the highway..!!”

 

Despite this thread going somewhat “viral”, and wandering a bit, the general idea is support for Castillo and providing reasonable thoughts and info... -Not pushing agendas...

 

Terua, feel free to start your own thread and see where it goes...

 

[[Fi...]]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51761435

 

"Coronavirus: White House concedes US lacks enough test kits"

 

 

[[Be...]]

Two cases of coronoavirus in my state of PA now, but not close to where I live.  The news says that 80% only get mild symptoms and recover.  Only those who have underlying problems might get worse.  Not worried at all now.

[[Fi...]]

http://www.tribtown.com/2020/03/07/us-virus-outbreak-us-9/

 

"Coronavirus concerns stalls cruise ship off California"

[[Ma...]]

At this point, I just don't want to get this virus and give it to my elderly father. My drunk sister has been overseas in Europe the past few months and she's due to come back in a week. I'm going to throw her in a trailer though. We have one that we were renting out so she's going to find more suitable living conditions custom tailored to the lifestyle she has chosen for herself. She is a total scumbag and will eat this virus off the floor more than likely so I need to keep her away from my dad for now.

 

I knew the coronavirus would be a global pandemic. I just didn't know what the mortality rate would be, still confused about that. The main give away for me was speculating the rate or R0 value that it was spreading in China in early February and the way China was reacting to it. Now this virus has probably already mutated a few times and if it mutates into something more deadly later it can potentially become disastrous for the sick and elderly. Highly doubt that it will mutate into something that will affect the healthy normal population too much, but it is always a possibility. My biggest concern right now is when the virus returns after the summer months next fall. It may return stronger and deadlier. This is what you should be worrying about the most.

[[va...]]

Mamoot that's interesting. Could you share a source of information to learn more about the potential for the virus to come back deadlier next fall? I'm really concerned about this.

[[va...]]

This is the best information I've seen so far on this topic.

 

[[Fi...]]

This appears to me to be a good source of information based upon documented data:

 

"Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Our World in Data"

 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

[[Fl...]]

First case in my area announced yesterday 

[[Fi...]]

First case announced a couple of days ago where my children & grandchildren live. I believe the county school system wisely closed school Friday thru Monday to do "deep cleaning". They are also providing in-school education for best hygiene practices. The confirmed case was a man traveling on business via non-stop flight to Boston. I believe he is now recovering at his home. 

[[Fi...]]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biogen-orders-employees-to-work-from-home-after-employees-at-boston-meeting-test-positive-for-coronavirus-2020-03-08

 

"Biogen orders employees to work from home after employees at Boston meeting test positive for coronavirus"

[[Ma...]]

If you are in panic, come and visit me in Europe (Germany). I try to stay calm and follow my brain instead of my panic, but my brain tells me how viruses normally act, - and then the numbers of infected people and death should continue to rise the next 4 weeks. Ugh.

All I can do is avoid people, which is not possible if you work with people.... and try not to touch my face and wash my hands and wash my hands and wash my hands... and hope it will skip me. But looking at Italy I do not think its funny any more. People are totally crazy here - you cannot buy any mask or disinfection sprays in Europe anymore. Even the hospitals and doctors offices have difficulties to order some. 

 

But - in case I will really catch that virus. Well then its just another 4-6 weeks of feeling like shit - and after that, step by step... back on track. So - no need to panic and waste energy before it really happened.