HOW YOUR BRAIN CAN HEAL YOUR BODY

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Pain specialist Dr Michael Moskowitz was 49 when he and a friend decided to take a look at some army tanks and other armoured vehicles that were about to take part in a parade. Dr Moskowitz couldn't resist climbing up onto a tank turret.

 

But as he jumped off, a metal prong caught his corduroys, and as he fell, he heard three popping sounds: his thigh bone was cracking. When he hit the ground, the leg was at a 90-degree angle to the other one.

 

Immediately after the fall his pain was a true ten out of ten (ten is meant to be like being dropped in boiling oil), but then, as he lay motionless waiting for the ambulance, Dr Moskowitz felt no pain at all.

 

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'My brain simply shut off the pain,' said Dr Michael Moskowitz, who fell and his thigh bone cracked

 

He was observing a medical phenomenon he'd taught his students about for years, but had never experienced. 'My brain simply shut off the pain,' he said.

 

'I had first-hand experience that the brain, all on its own, can eliminate pain, just as I, a conventional pain specialist, had tried to do for patients by using drugs, injections, and electrical stimulation.'

 

The brain can shut pain off because the function of acute pain is to alert us to danger. So, as long as Dr Moskowitz didn't move, he was in no danger, as far as his brain could tell.

 

In the aftermath of his accident, Dr Moskowitz nearly died three times. Yet as the years have passed, he's had very little pain in the leg.

 

He'd learned another pain lesson: the wise use of sufficient morphine had prevented his nerves from becoming over-stimulated and saved him from his acute short-term pain turning into the chronic, permanent variety.

 

For centuries the traditional view of pain was that nerves send a one-way signal up to the brain and intensity of pain is proportional to the seriousness of our injury. In other words, pain files an accurate damage report about the extent of the injury, and the brain's role is to simply accept that report.

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But that view was overturned in the Sixties - we now understand that the pain perception system is spread through the brain and spinal cord, too, and the brain controls how much we feel. When pain messages are sent from damaged tissue, these messages ascend to the brain only if the brain gives them 'permission'.

 

If this is granted, a gate will open and increase our feeling of pain by allowing certain brain cells to turn on and transmit their signal. But the brain can also close a gate and block the pain signal by releasing endorphins, the natural narcotics made by our bodies to quell pain.

 

Knowing that switches exist is one thing, knowing how to turn them off when you are in agony is another.

 

And that's where the brain's 'neuroplasticity' comes in. Neuroplasticity is the ability of the brain to change its structure and how it works in response to mental activity and experience

 

 

''Each time he got an attack,             

he began visualising his brain in chronic pain.                                                                                                                                         

Then he would imagine the problem areas shrinking''

 

For 400 years, the mainstream scientific view was the brain could not change, but was fixed for life when we reached adulthood.

 

At the start of this century, however, scientists began to prove that our adult brain circuits constantly reconfigure and change. Hundreds of studies have now shown how mental activity is not only the product of the brain but also shapes it.

 

Dr Moskowitz is one of many scientists and patients around the world who are using this to offer hope for 'untreatable' health problems.

 

They show how exploiting the extraordinary healing powers of the brain can not only combat pain but aid recovery from strokes, improve ailing vision and combat symptoms of conditions such as Parkinson's.

 

Dr Moskowitz, who originally trained as psychiatrist, specialises in treating patients with intractable pain in California. But he became a world leader in the use of neuroplasticity for treating pain after making discoveries while treating himself.

 

Three years before his fall, Dr Moskowitz suffered another accident when water-skiing with his daughters. He flipped off an inflated tyre behind a boat, hitting the water with his head bent backwards. The resulting pain dominated his life. Morphine and other heavy-duty painkillers and treatments including massage, self-hypnosis, ice, rest and anti-inflammatory drugs, barely touched it.

 

That pain tormented him for 13 years. Dr Moskowitz was 57 when he hit rock bottom - and then began researching the discovery that the brain is neuroplastic and seeing how this might relate to him.

 

The role of acute pain is to alert us to injury or disease by sending a signal to the brain. But sometimes an injury affects the body and the nerve cells (neurons) in the brain. As acute pain continues, these neurons become hypersensitive, firing more easily with less stimulation.

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Neuroplasticity is the ability of the brain to change its structure and how it works - to help us feel less pain

 

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So, is it just a placebo effect? The placebo effect generally doesn't last long. And unlike medication or placebo, patients who use the neuroplastic technique can reduce their use of it over time.

 

 

Dr Moskowitz thinks that once the patients have learned and practised the technique over hundreds of hours, their unconscious mind takes over.

Such effects last. He has patients who've maintained their reduction in pain for five years, though many still have damage in their bodies (which can on occasion trigger acute pain).

 

One of his most important insights is that opioid narcotic drugs, such as codeine or tramadol can make chronic pain worse. The brain adapts to being inundated by long-term opioids by becoming less sensitive to them, which can make chronic pain worse. The problem exists, says Dr Moskowitz, with all pain medicines. 'I don't believe in pain management any more,' he says. 'I believe in trying to cure persistent pain.'

 

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Opioid narcotic drugs, such as codeine or tramadol 'can make chronic pain worse'

 

One of the extraordinary people I've met during my research is John Pepper, 77, who was diagnosed with Parkinson's more than two decades ago. He was put on medication, but because of a programme he developed was eventually able to stop taking it nine years ago.

 

Yet he does not appear to have the classic symptoms: no shuffling gait or tremor; he has good balance and seems to walk perfectly normally.

 

When Pepper, a businessman who lives in South Africa, was first diagnosed, he spent two years slumped in a chair, 'feeling sorry for myself'.

 

He then pledged to alter his attitude. 'Because it is a movement disorder, I assumed the more I moved, the slower the Parkinson's would be able to take over my life,' he said.

 

He broke down the normally complex automatic activity of walking into various parts and analysed each and every muscle contraction, movement and shift of weight.

 

It took him more than a year of practising to internalise these changes. His walking became normal, as long as he concentrated.

 

With change happening so gradually, Pepper only belatedly began to realise that one or another of his Parkinson's symptoms, such as his tremor, had either improved or disappeared.

 

Walking is one of the most powerful neuroplastic interventions. When we walk fast, we produce new cells in the hippocampus, the brain area that plays a key role in turning short-term memories into long-term ones.

 

Walking may also promote brain growth factors - or specifically a brain chemical called glial-derived neurotrophic factor (GDNF).

 

This helps promote the development and survival of dopamine-producing neurons, the cells that die off in Parkinson's. GDNF also helps the nervous system recover from injury.

Brain neurons

 

 

 

100,000

The number of miles of nerve

fibres in the human brain

Beautiful brains The brains nerve fibres traced by diffusion spectrum ...

 

Research in laboratory animals has shown exercise can boost the production of GDNF, although Pepper did not know this when he began his walking regime. He told me: 'I walk 15 miles per week, in three sessions of five miles. The GDNF produced in the brain appears to have restored the damaged cells. However, they do not cure the cause of Parkinson's, and if I stop exercising, my condition goes backwards.'

 

He has now taught hundreds of fellow Parkinson's sufferers how to move more freely.

 

Science is finally catching up with him. In 2014 a study of Parkinson's patients by the University of Iowa found that six months of walking three times a week for 45 minutes improved their symptoms and reduced fatigue.

 

Not all neuroplastic changes are beneficial, however. With our frequent use of computers and screens, we are rewiring our visual systems to fixate on what's in front of our eyes.

 

U.S. children are thought to spend up to 11 hours a day looking at screens. Their peripheral vision is being underused, meaning they are less able to see things at the edges of their vision - vision loss more traditionally seen in older people.

 

But computers can help rewire people's eyes and brains to use their peripheral vision fully. U.S. neuroscientist Dr Michael Merzenich and his colleagues developed computer-based neuroplastic exercises to expand peripheral vision in elderly people to keep them driving (one involves watching cars on a screen and taking into account images on the side).

 

Another company, Novavision has developed brain exercises that can help people who had strokes, brain injuries, or brain cancer surgery that have radically reduced their vision.

 

It's another example of the potential of neuroplasticity, and proof that many 'incurable' or 'irreversible' problems can improve. The brain really can heal itself.

 

EXTRACTED from The Brain's Way Of Healing, by Norman Doidge,

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Thanks Nova, for this, I started to order book, yesterday, but when I get off I will order it for sure. You do so much for us BB and I am grateful P.S the book is on the way. also loved your visual with the ocean, I will visit when I need to relax. Great things you do. 

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Nova--I bought this guy's book at your suggestion yesterday and I am loving it.  I really appreciate you bringing it to everybody's attention and I hope you won't take what I'm going to say the wrong way.

 

It concerns me when large chunks of people's writing work, such as your extract from this book, are copied and pasted on the internet.  This is copyright infringement.  It doesn't matter how well intentioned the poster is or how much they think the work will help others.  It's still the author's WORK and it is being hijacked.

 

In an Author's Guild survey conducted recently, it was shown that the income of professional writers has dropped precipitously in the past five years, and much of that can be attributed to the internet "economy," where it's so easy to pirate materials.

 

If people want solid content from reliable sources, it's best to go ahead and buy the book.  Reward that author with a couple of  bucks.  Maybe he'll be encouraged to keep writing and publishing!

 

You're  a sweetheart to want to share, Nova, but we shouldn't go too far in sharing what's not ours to share.  I also was perturbed recently when I came across Challis's success story copied into somebody's self-published book.

 

Please keep recommending books, Nova, just don't copy large chunks.

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Nova--I bought this guy's book at your suggestion yesterday and I am loving it.  I really appreciate you bringing it to everybody's attention and I hope you won't take what I'm going to say the wrong way.

 

It concerns me when large chunks of people's writing work, such as your extract from this book, are copied and pasted on the internet.  This is copyright infringement.  It doesn't matter how well intentioned the poster is or how much they think the work will help others.  It's still the author's WORK and it is being hijacked.

 

In an Author's Guild survey conducted recently, it was shown that the income of professional writers has dropped precipitously in the past five years, and much of that can be attributed to the internet "economy," where it's so easy to pirate materials.

 

If people want solid content from reliable sources, it's best to go ahead and buy the book.  Reward that author with a couple of  bucks.  Maybe he'll be encouraged to keep writing and publishing!

 

You're  a sweetheart to want to share, Nova, but we shouldn't go too far in sharing what's not ours to share.  I also was perturbed recently when I came across Challis's success story copied into somebody's self-published book.

 

Please keep recommending books, Nova, just don't copy large chunks.

 

 

Hi FJ  Its from an online news paper report actually by the author himself not the book FJ, and I added a few illustrations myself as a visual aid, plus cut out the crappy bits in-between nothing to do with the article to make it easier for people to read to read http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2907188/How-brain-heal-body-Astonishing-new-research-reveals-brain-s-ability-rewire-conquer-pain-overcome-untreatable-illness

 

So my butt ain't going to be on trouble for plagiarism or breaking any copy right rules  http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/copyright-infringement.png 

 

 

I may have some dodgy habits but that's not one of them neither is feeding the 'copy right monster. 

 

THE COPY RIGHT MONSTER.....HE WILL EAT YOU!!! :laugh:

 

 

Love Nova xxx :smitten:

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  You get laugh out loud points from me.  No, no lawyers are going to chase you down, but the fact that you cut and pasted from an on-line article doesn't mean it's still not copyright infringement.  Since I bought the book, I checked the copyright page and I can't believe how spot-on this is.  This is what it says on the copyright page:

 

"Penguin supports copyright.  Copyright fuels creativity, encourages diverse voices, promotes free speech, and creates a vibrant culture.  Thank you for buying an authorized edition of this book and for complying with copyright laws by not reproducing, scanning, or distributing any part of it in any form without permission.  You are supporting writers and allowing Penguin to continue to publish books for every reader."

 

So, wow.  These pages never used to have to say that, but that was before scanning and the internet.

 

To go back to my bread truck analogy from another thread--no matter how much you think others will like the bread and how much it will help them and how you feel they can't afford to buy the bread themselves, you still mustn't hijack the truck, steal the bread and distribute it.  You're completely free to encourage others to buy the bread for themselves or, if you feel strongly enough about it, buy a bunch of loaves and give them away!

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Nova thank you so much for taking the time to post this.  I find it very interesting and helpful.  I am going now to Amazon to get the book so I can read further.  By my count, you have sold 3 books for this author so far that wouldn't have been purchased except for your post that sparked interest.  I think that might even be counted as free advertising.   

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Nova thank you so much for taking the time to post this.  I find it very interesting and helpful.  I am going now to Amazon to get the book so I can read further.  By my count, you have sold 3 books for this author so far that wouldn't have been purchased except for your post that sparked interest.  I think that might even be counted as free advertising.   

 

Not really.  Free advertising is when somebody publishes a REVIEW of a book, and even then there's a rule about how much of the book can be quoted in the doctrine of "fair use."

 

The periodical which originally published this material probably paid subsidiary rights to the author.  If they didn't, they should have.  That's how it works when something is copyrighted.  This is how writers earn money.  With the piddling advance I got on my first book I figured I'd earned about 5 cents an hour for the time I put into research and writing.  But thanks to copyright law, over subsequent years I got a nice income from people actually paying me and my publisher for any use of my material thereafter--sometimes a nice chunk for just a paragraph when it was used on the SATs, for example. 

 

Nova, everybody knows you're a total sweetheart and I know you have only the best of intentions and it's probably a surprise to you that anyone would take issue with it.  Sorry for sounding like downer on you; I absolutely do NOT mean it personally and you're not the first person who's done this on the BB board that I've seen.

 

SheWhoMust, it's great of Nova to alert people to good books, but this isn't just about being nice.  It's not nice to steal no matter how much you want to help somebody out, right?  And it's not quite fair to claim she SOLD these copies and the author should presumably be grateful to her.  How do you know that my actually BUYING the book straight off at her recommendation and then quickly reporting back about its value sold them?  Thank you for buying your own copy on Amazon!

 

 

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I understand that this is a hot button for you FJ, but the job of policing this forum is not up to its rank and file members, rather to the BB administration and staff.  If anyone has a problem with certain posts, by all means, report them and let them be reviewed and a decision made.  If it is indeed against the forum rules to reprint articles found on the internet, then I'm sure the appropriate action will be taken.

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And I realize I'M a hot button for YOU.

 

I did ask Colin about this.  He says there's a rule against breaking laws of various countries and that would include copyright law.  I have no interest in scanning all the posts and reporting. 

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Hi FJ,

 

I'm not sure what is your complaint here. The opening post contains extracts from a book. Is it simply that some materials have been copied from the book (note: not necessarily copyright infringement, even without permission of the author)? Or, is it that that you feel that copied sections are not protected by 'fair use' doctrines?

[[Fi...]]

Hi FJ,

 

I'm not sure what is your complaint here. The opening post contains extracts from a book. Is it simply that some materials have been copied from the book (note: not necessarily copyright infringement, even without permission of the author)? Or, is it that that you feel that copied sections are not protected by 'fair use' doctrines?

 

Colin--here's what it says on the copyright page of the book in question:

 

"Penguin supports copyright.  Copyright fuels creativity, encourages diverse voices, promotes free speech, and creates a vibrant culture.  Thank you for buying an authorized edition of this book and for complying with copyright laws by not reproducing, scanning, or distributing any part of it in any form without permission. You are supporting writers and allowing Penguin to continue to publish books for every reader."

 

"Any part of it in any form" would be an extract.  I think they simply mean what they say.  The new, halfway pleading tone of the copyright statement is an acknowledgement of how blatantly authors are being ripped off these days.

 

Fair use doctrine applies to sections quoted in a review of the book.  Authors don't demand permission be obtained to be quoted in reviews because the review, even a bad one, is to their benefit.  But even then, only so much can be quoted.

 

I'm not much of a joiner (hence the handle, FinallyJoining) but I am a member of the Authors Guild, and while everybody here argues about doctors and definitions of addiction, the talk among members of the AG is all about copyright and how authors can protect themselves.  Do you think it's a bad thing that I would stick up for my guild member buddies?

 

It's your site, Colin, and that means you get to play it however you want.

 

 

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Colin--here's what it says on the copyright page of the book in question:

 

"Penguin supports copyright.  Copyright fuels creativity, encourages diverse voices, promotes free speech, and creates a vibrant culture.  Thank you for buying an authorized edition of this book and for complying with copyright laws by not reproducing, scanning, or distributing any part of it in any form without permission. You are supporting writers and allowing Penguin to continue to publish books for every reader."

 

"Any part of it in any form" would be an extract.  I think they simply mean what they say.  The new, halfway pleading tone of the copyright statement is an acknowledgement of how blatantly authors are being ripped off these days.

 

Fair use doctrine applies to sections quoted in a review of the book.  Authors don't demand permission be obtained to be quoted in reviews because the review, even a bad one, is to their benefit.  But even then, only so much can be quoted.

 

I'm not much of a joiner (hence the handle, FinallyJoining) but I am a member of the Authors Guild, and while everybody here argues about doctors and definitions of addiction, the talk among members of the AG is all about copyright and how authors can protect themselves.  Do you think it's a bad thing that I would stick up for my guild member buddies?

 

It's your site, Colin, and that means you get to play it however you want.

 

 

 

'Fair use' is a flexible concept. Generally, though, up to about 10% of a book might be quoted and stay within fair use doctrines on shorter works ('fair' might be determined as a lower percentage for longer works).

 

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/cases/

 

In particular:

 

Not a fair use. The Nation magazine published excerpts from ex-President Gerald Ford’s unpublished memoirs. The publication in The Nation was made several weeks prior to the date Mr. Ford’s book was to be serialized in another magazine. Important factors: The Nation’s copying seriously damaged the marketability of Mr. Ford’s serialization rights. (Harper & Row v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539 (1985).)

 

In the Ford case, although just 300 words from a 200,000 word manuscript, it was determined that it was not fair use, as the quoted materials was the "heart of the book ... the most interesting and moving parts of the entire manuscript," and that it would have a detrimental effect upon sales. I doubt that this is the case here. Unless I'm mistaken, the quoted materials do not amount to 10% or more of the book (or anywhere near that figure), and probably do not seriously impact marketability of the book. In fact, I expect that the quoted sections will only increase marketability by serving as an advert. However, if my assumptions are incorrect, do let me know. I do not have the book, so cannot know how much material was copied (as a proportion of the book).

 

As for the Penguin's notice: it does not trump law. In the UK (and I'm sure it is the same in the US), attempts to remove statutory rights are unenforceable.

[[Fi...]]

Again, your site, your issue to explore further if you care to.

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Hi FJ,

 

I'm not sure what is your complaint here. The opening post contains extracts from a book. Is it simply that some materials have been copied from the book (note: not necessarily copyright infringement, even without permission of the author)? Or, is it that that you feel that copied sections are not protected by 'fair use' doctrines?

 

Colin--here's what it says on the copyright page of the book in question:

 

"Penguin supports copyright.  Copyright fuels creativity, encourages diverse voices, promotes free speech, and creates a vibrant culture.  Thank you for buying an authorized edition of this book and for complying with copyright laws by not reproducing, scanning, or distributing any part of it in any form without permission. You are supporting writers and allowing Penguin to continue to publish books for every reader."

 

"Any part of it in any form" would be an extract.  I think they simply mean what they say.  The new, halfway pleading tone of the copyright statement is an acknowledgement of how blatantly authors are being ripped off these days.

 

Fair use doctrine applies to sections quoted in a review of the book.  Authors don't demand permission be obtained to be quoted in reviews because the review, even a bad one, is to their benefit.  But even then, only so much can be quoted.

 

I'm not much of a joiner (hence the handle, FinallyJoining) but I am a member of the Authors Guild, and while everybody here argues about doctors and definitions of addiction, the talk among members of the AG is all about copyright and how authors can protect themselves.  Do you think it's a bad thing that I would stick up for my guild member buddies?

 

It's your site, Colin, and that means you get to play it however you want.

 

 

 

This is a public deceleration of claim to the word, Benzos....( I  have trade marked the word ''BENZO'S''now the whole forum is in big trouble!!  And I am going t be very rich yippee!!! 

 

Also YOUTUBE is in trouble. all them '''Benzo vids'' there is squillions of them, and Amazon is also in the firing line for selling books with the word''Benzo'' in them.

 

FJ you have done the very thing sorry to say it, that you are being pedantic about IMHO, by copying and posting the actual copy right? What the Donald duck? it don't get any more copy righted than the actual book copy right notice, or didn't you notice the irony? No? well how ironic

 

 

So your a member of the writers guild, I'm a member of the lollipop guild myself as I prefer the elite places, anyone can write a book Charles Manson wrote his now famous book Helter Skelter from prison.  But not everyone knows where 'The Land Of OZ'' is ( And I don't mean Australia)

 

 

Here are a few members enjoying their selves at a previous members annual guild dance doing 'Knees up mother Brown'

 

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1180325/lollipop-guild-o.gif

 

And now your got the CEO of ''Copy right Monsters INC after you, that will teach you!!!

 

THE COPY RIGHT MONSTERS CEO .... I AM GONNA EAT YOU FJ!!!!!

 

 

 

'Dear Nova, thank you for all the free publicity for my book, I have now sold another three copies making it four including the one I bought myself, you must come to my home for dinner and I'll cook you the dish I made in this earlier ipicture I sent you of myself

 

Do you want side salad or seasonal veg with it? Please let me know. ''

 

Love Norman Dodge ''Author and Authors guild member

 

PS, does my face look big in this?

EXTRACT From Norman Doige ''My letter to Nova''

 

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FYI Manson didn't write 'Helter Skelter', it was co-authored by Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry. 

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FYI Manson didn't write  'Helter Skelter', it was co-authored by Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry. 

 

Okay, Thank you Chinook  ''Helter Skelter, was co-authored by Charles Manson and 2 other blokes named  Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry, brother of Bobbie Gentry singer http://images1.mtv.com/uri/mgid:file:docroot:mtv.com:/shared/media/images/amg_artist_portraits/standard/drp900/p992/p99282idnkj.jpg?width=164&height=210&enlarge=true&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85

Bobbie Gentry singer

 

 

They changed their names from the original family name  "Gantry'' in an effort to distance them selves from their notorious first cousin "'Elmer Gantry". A novel  was written about Elmer by Sinclair Lewis Author and member of the now infamous ''Authors guild' in 1926 and published in 1927

 

Sinclair Lewis Author

 

 

In an attempt to flee from justice, Elmer Gantry changed his name to Elmer Fudd after shaving his head and gaining weight as a method to obtain anonymity, but was recognised by a member of the public who took this picture...

Elmer Gantry disguised as  Elmer Fudd

He was last seen in a place called 'Disney land'' chasing this rabbit..

 

 

 

Their where about remainders a mystery

 

 

Extract from the novel ''Well its a nearly all Nova now'' by Nova

 

Printed by Lips inc publishers ™

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile back on topic ....

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/brain-1.jpg

Our brains gives us the power to speak, imagine and solve problems. It's truly an amazing organ

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

[[Se...]]

Nova, this seems like a descent into the personal in an attempt to ridicule FJ63.  Haven't we all collectively had enough of flame wars?

 

I think FJ has a point.  There are other ways to get the author's material across.  I hadn't given to much thought to this issue myself but I'll be more aware in the future.

 

I do hope that we DON'T descend into personal attacks here, it takes away from the most excellent points you are trying to raise.  I hate to see this kind of stuff going on the boards.

 

 

SS

[[Sh...]]

Nova, this seems like a descent into the personal in an attempt to ridicule FJ63.  Haven't we all collectively had enough of flame wars?

 

I think FJ has a point.  There are other ways to get the author's material across.  I hadn't given to much thought to this issue myself but I'll be more aware in the future.

 

I do hope that we DON'T descend into personal attacks here, it takes away from the most excellent points you are trying to raise.  I hate to see this kind of stuff going on the boards.

 

 

SS

 

Hi SS I agree. I do hate to see personal agendas hijack and detract from this excellent thread.  I think the initial message and intent of the OP was a good one.  It is obvious that FJ feels strongly about this issue and that is understandable since she is a writer.  However, the point of disagreement has been addressed and settled by Colin.  Our individual hot buttons and self-interested points of view, which we all have and myself included, matter less than the collective wisdom we can share whilst going through this life changing experience.  Good reminder SS.

 

She

 

[[no...]]

Nova, this seems like a descent into the personal in an attempt to ridicule FJ63.  Haven't we all collectively had enough of flame wars?

 

I think FJ has a point.  There are other ways to get the author's material across.  I hadn't given to much thought to this issue myself but I'll be more aware in the future.

 

I do hope that we DON'T descend into personal attacks here, it takes away from the most excellent points you are trying to raise.  I hate to see this kind of stuff going on the boards.

 

 

SS

 

 

Hi  SS  obviously my sense of humour has been misinterpreted and by no means was the post meant as a personal attack, I was making light of a subject that erupted on this thread also nothing to do with the topic. If people feel strongly about a subject then take it to a 'new topic' on the forum and post their objections, or better still instead of creating distress,  PM the person involved. Its not a matter of whose wrong or right but as its been pointed out many of us are very fragile right now, FJ has written her success story many of us have year's ahead before we can do that and I am only one of that many.

 

It upset me to wake up and come and see that what I personally would have used personal discretion and privacy to address was plastered across the forum as if I purposely set out to perform what the accusation points out is a criminal act? Dress up the words anyway you want but being told you committing copy right infringement publicly ( by the way I haven't regarding the article I posted, and am not going into the why and wherefore so yet another off topic ensures on here again) is not at all considerate, thoughtful or kind given the situation of those of us a long way from being healed.

 

I was going to remove the post your objecting to only , but now I've given is some thought I'm not, its just my way a bit of trying to  take a bit of the weight off what I felt was a heavy serious unneeded subject to be confronted with, and wrongly so. As I said it dose not constitute a criminal act posting the article I did, but injecting some humour in to what had caused me grief to have to read is a coping mechanism, not  a personal attack . Had I intended the post to be of a personal nature that would have been made very clearly without a sniff of an attempt at humour.

 

I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone else on this thread serenity, what I do have a problem with is how it made me feel and that a more thoughtful person whose recovered should have handled it differently. And first and foremost taken into account the negative impact pursuing the matter so evangelically and publicly could push some one whose way off being recovered over the edge.

 

I think the real subject that needed to be thought about here is  life , not peoples finances, or discussion of people being ripped off? Its not nice to what  basically amounts to me being  declared a criminal and a thief all because you tried to get helpful information into the arena? How its worded does not matter but what the wording means does.

 

Love Nova xxx :smitten:

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Nova, this seems like a descent into the personal in an attempt to ridicule FJ63.  Haven't we all collectively had enough of flame wars?

 

I think FJ has a point.  There are other ways to get the author's material across.  I hadn't given to much thought to this issue myself but I'll be more aware in the future.

 

I do hope that we DON'T descend into personal attacks here, it takes away from the most excellent points you are trying to raise.  I hate to see this kind of stuff going on the boards.

 

 

SS

 

Copyright issues aside, if you're referring to the last post, it was actually directed at me, or so I thought, and I took no offense to it at all in fact I thought it was kind of clever.

 

I just thought Nova was having a bit of fun.

 

Maybe my cog fog is so bad that I'm unable to see things for what they really are but that's how I choose to see it ...

 

Chinook

 

 

 

 

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Nova, this seems like a descent into the personal in an attempt to ridicule FJ63.  Haven't we all collectively had enough of flame wars?

 

I think FJ has a point.  There are other ways to get the author's material across.  I hadn't given to much thought to this issue myself but I'll be more aware in the future.

 

I do hope that we DON'T descend into personal attacks here, it takes away from the most excellent points you are trying to raise.  I hate to see this kind of stuff going on the boards.

 

 

SS

 

Copyright issues aside, if you're referring to the last post, it was actually directed at me, or so I thought, and I took no offense to it at all in fact I thought it was kind of clever.

 

I just thought Nova was having a bit of fun.

 

Maybe my cog fog is so bad that I'm unable to see things for what they really are but that's how I choose to see it ...

 

Chinook

 

Thank you Chinook  for taking the post in the spirit of fun I intended 

 

Anyway......................

After crossing the border into Texas, Elmer Gantry then changed his name once again in order to avoid detection to Jed Clampett, an impoverished mountaineer living alongside an oil-contaminated swamp with his daughter and mother-in-law and  who is nothing to do with the rock band 'Jethro Tull' although they share the same first name 

'Jethro Tull'

 

Now known as Jethro Clampett AKA Elmer Gantry AKA Elmer Fudd raised a family who we all know today as 'The Beverly Hill Billies  a poor backwoods family who move to Beverly Hills, California, after striking oil on their land.

and

The Beverly Hill Billies'

 

The Beverly Hill Billies often got mistaken ''The Barrow Gang' who just looked like hill billies and was formed by Clyde Barrow one half of the outlaw duo know as Bonnie and Clyde Bonnie being Bonnie Parker.

Bonnie and Clyde Bonnie

 

 

As far as I know neither of the above named persons were members of any guilds nor writers or singers, but had the Barrow gang and Bonnie and Clyde been around now, they would have been at least wanted by a Guild and not as members either for the Guild I speak of is The Justice Guild of America.

The Justice Guild of America.

 

 

Who oddly enough were  conceived by editor Sheldon Mayer and a  writer named Gardner Fox both of whom I can't find any pictures of ,sang or were related to Elmer Gantry. Here is a picture of Burt Lancaster playing Elmer Gantry as due to his rapid change of appearance no one knows what Elmer looks like now.

Burt Lancaster playing Elmer Gantry

 

 

 

Extract taken from 'Whats all this to do with the brain Nova? I think a withdrawal battered dormant part is awakening that's what yay!! By Nova  :laugh:

 

 

Love Nova xxx  :smitten:

 

 

 

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Nova, I certainly got the lightheartedness of your posts and they made me laugh a LOT! You're witty and I'll take a laugh any day 

 

And thank you for all the fascinating brain info too

[[Se...]]

Nova, this seems like a descent into the personal in an attempt to ridicule FJ63.  Haven't we all collectively had enough of flame wars?

 

I think FJ has a point.  There are other ways to get the author's material across.  I hadn't given to much thought to this issue myself but I'll be more aware in the future.

 

I do hope that we DON'T descend into personal attacks here, it takes away from the most excellent points you are trying to raise.  I hate to see this kind of stuff going on the boards.

 

 

SS

 

Copyright issues aside, if you're referring to the last post, it was actually directed at me, or so I thought, and I took no offense to it at all in fact I thought it was kind of clever.

 

I just thought Nova was having a bit of fun.

 

Maybe my cog fog is so bad that I'm unable to see things for what they really are but that's how I choose to see it ...

 

Chinook

 

No, not you Chinook.  Not ever.

 

I was just trying to point out to Nova that her response to FJ, which she now says was an attempt at humour, didn't quite come across that way.  But I'm a bit sensitive to sarcasm, I don't like it at all.

 

Nova, I read and enjoy your posts.  FJ isn't publicly excoriating you.  Just reminding us all to be aware of this issue.  I don't know enough about copyright infringement to be able to comment either way but as I said above, I'll be more mindful in the future.  I know many authors on blogs ask you to "trackback" and identify where the original post came from.  Obviously excerpts from books are different but again, I don't know much about it except not to photocopy chapters.

 

 

Ali

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Well I will buy it if any of yall think it helped yer receptors to start coming back in early. It is almost spring, after all. Time for new buds