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I found this website. benzosandback.org

I think a lot said there is true. Explains why micro tapering with daily cuts is a smoother way to taper. Also explains why people who c/t or taper too fast feel so bad. Made a lot of sense to me. Also offers help how to make solutions properly. Hope it helps. I'm going to start microtapering with liquid Valium next week. I was trying to follow Ashton method but it was too quick for my body. I was really suffering but would stabilize and feel good. Now I understand what was happening in my body. I need to decrease in smaller amounts everyday day in relation to how fast my body can repair itself. I just hate to see people suffer needlessly. If they taper properly and in step with their body they could save themselves a lot of pain. I was down to cutting .25mg of Valium every 2 weeks. Still didn't like the symptoms I was having. If I cut .02mg everyday I will be cutting .28mg every two weeks. So really you aren't slowing the process down just letting your body readjust and heal easier. The trick is finding the right amount to cut out daily- as this will be different for each individual. I guess Ashton method works for some people- but was getting to be too difficult for me. Hope this helps somebody.

mm74

 

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I had thought the same thing. It would seem logical the making micro-cuts as small as humanly possible would be the best. It's a shame they do not provide a better application to do this from the pharmacy, something more tried and true for each specific drug from the benzo class of drugs.

 

Obviously, no one can accurately account for the dissimulation or leaching of the drug from any one persons bodies metabolism. This will be a critical factor in the withdrawal process, but at least the cut process can perhaps be made more like a downward "slide" rather than a "staircase".

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I found this website. benzosandback.org

I think a lot said there is true. Explains why micro tapering with daily cuts is a smoother way to taper. Also explains why people who c/t or taper too fast feel so bad. Made a lot of sense to me. Also offers help how to make solutions properly. Hope it helps. I'm going to start microtapering with liquid Valium next week. I was trying to follow Ashton method but it was too quick for my body. I was really suffering but would stabilize and feel good. Now I understand what was happening in my body. I need to decrease in smaller amounts everyday day in relation to how fast my body can repair itself. I just hate to see people suffer needlessly. If they taper properly and in step with their body they could save themselves a lot of pain. I was down to cutting .25mg of Valium every 2 weeks. Still didn't like the symptoms I was having. If I cut .02mg everyday I will be cutting .28mg every two weeks. So really you aren't slowing the process down just letting your body readjust and heal easier. The trick is finding the right amount to cut out daily- as this will be different for each individual. I guess Ashton method works for some people- but was getting to be too difficult for me. Hope this helps somebody.

mm74

Thank you for this site.

I am considering micro-tapering because if I keep the way I am going now, it will be a year before I am completely off valium.

I'm nervous about starting though, because not only am I not and have never been stable, I have a lot of unavoidable situational stress coming up, and I am worried this non benzo stress will put a spanner in the works.

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Intend to be Off. This site kind of subscribes to the theory of decreased GABA production (while still mentioning "repair"), so I don't know, maybe it is both. I realize this is a cross thread issue, but thought I would post here.

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Thanks for this,

 

I had seen the website previously, I had held there for 7 weeks with little change in symptoms, (actually psychological ones got a bit better, physical a lot worse), absolute hell whichever way you look at it, I decided it's time to get off, I am close, now on 1.25mg Valium,

 

I want off, but don't want to do more harm than neccesary on the way to 0. I cut 0.4ml on Sunday past, which was a bigger than normal cut for me, actually had a window for a few hours last night - weird? Burning and nerve pain back in force today, as well as muscular pains and insomnia and anxiety.

 

I aim to try to get off the final 1.25mg (going to hold here for 2 weeks) in around 2 or three months, and I am thinking that maybe the way to do it best is to make daily cuts, all adds up to the same over time, and makes perfect sense that it is going to be easier on the body to tolerate than one large cut, then holding for two weeks.

 

Just bought ten 1ml syringes on ebay, am going to cut at 0.04ml a day when the two week hold is up, psychologically I think it has an advantage too, every day you are getting closer consistently, rather than every two weeks or whatever, with a delay in the middle fretting about what problems are going to unleash.

 

I know it is stated to listen to the body, and adjust accordingly, but unless it gets really severe, I am going to push through on this, I cut really slowly (1mg every three months) and hit a wall at 3.6ml, held for 7 weeks and really was no fun at all, so frustrating to hold and hold hoping for an improvement and nothing happens.

 

I am using the 4mg = 10ml solution.

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I've been micro tapering for almost a month. I was taking out .02mg a day. At 18 days I started having some symptoms. Not severe just mild. I held for 4-5 days felt back to stable. Started micro taper again. I feel so much more better doing it this way. Decided I will micro taper 2 weeks, hold for 3 days and then continue. Hopefully I can avaoid all symptoms by doing it this way. It is certainly better than what I was doing. I'm not depressed because I feel like my life isn't on hold any more. Im still working and doing a lot more activities with my children and friends. Hope others will have same sucess. Im not positive what is happening biologically but i think the receptors are up regulating which signals more GABA to be produced. So I think you need to let your body produce the GABA in step with the receptors up regulating. That's my theory. Either way I know holding for a few days always makes me feel better. I've always tried to avoid holding more than 3 weeks at a time. Doing daily cuts has significantly decreased the symptoms as long as I hold as soon as I feel any symptoms coming on.