Is there Hospitalization option to WD off Benzo's?

[[Me...]]

I am wondering if I should just put my son into foster care for a bit and just go into a rapid detox in hospital and get it over with?

 

Has anyone done it?

 

My doc wants me off 10% every 2 weeks and it is totally catching up with me, symptom wise. 

 

I proposed to do 1% per day, or 10% per month then it will be August beofre I am at 2 mg Valium.  They think I should go faster but I am really symptomatic.  they are giving me 2 weeks to settle down at 10 mg valium. 

 

Am I going to go back into tolerance withdrawal?

[[...]]

Most detox stories I have heard have not been good ones. 

 

I feel more comfortable when I have a doctor who is willing to let me taper at my own pace.  I hope you find one.

 

My doctor does not even know I have been tapering.  I take .5mg less than what he prescribes and I save the extras every month in case I run into a situation like yours.  I don't lie to him.  I just ask him to prescribe 1.5 mg daily to me and take less than what I requested.  It's also good to have a back up supply of benzos in case they are late on a script or a refill. 

 

Doctors and pharmacists get suspicious when you keep calling them and bugging them about scripts, refills, etc.  This way, I am never "pressured" to get my refill exactly on time and they never sense an "urgency" for me to get my script refilled.  This is not deceitful, it's just taking wise precautionary measures as long as you are not abusing the medication and can keep yourself from updosing, etc.

 

I'm sorry to hear your symptoms are getting so bad.  I hope you feel better soon.  I really believe we need to be in control of our own benzo tapers.  I've heard way too many horror stories about detoxes and I've tried to c/t several times to no avail.  I've heard of many people spending their life savings on a detox only to be worse off and having to reinstate and go through the entire process again.  I hope you are able to avoid this.  Take care and hang in there.

 

Kian

 

[[Ho...]]

Please do not do that to your son or to yourself.... detox stories have been horrific, and are not healthy. No question about that. You need to do a slow taper, as slow as possible to keep you functioning.

[[jr...]]

I did not do a rapid detox, but I did a c/t, which I wouldn't wish on anyone.  I believe I am in protracted w/d because of it at 8 months out.  I wish you the best.    Jenn

[[Da...]]

I am wondering if I should just put my son into foster care for a bit and just go into a rapid detox in hospital and get it over with?

 

Has anyone done it?

 

My doc wants me off 10% every 2 weeks and it is totally catching up with me, symptom wise. 

 

I proposed to do 1% per day, or 10% per month then it will be August beofre I am at 2 mg Valium.  They think I should go faster but I am really symptomatic.  they are giving me 2 weeks to settle down at 10 mg valium. 

 

Am I going to go back into tolerance withdrawal?

p

 

have to agree with the above posts,hopitals tend to be seen as the best place to detox but in my experience they can make your situation worse.

also a fast detox isn't wise,if i were you i'd find a doctor who understands your tapering needs better

[[Da...]]

As for the tolerance withdrawl,i can't be too sure of that....but it sounds more like it's tapering too fast.

[[ve...]]

Hi. Most rapid detox or c/t stories I have read suggest slow taper is a better approach. If your current doctor is rushing you, find one who will let you go at your own pace. What part of the country are you in? Others may be able to refer you to a benzo wise doctor or two. If you get to a point where your doctor wants to force you to go faster than you feel ready, muster the strength to get other opinions and find a doctor who will work with you.  You have options!. I found that I was more comfortable with 4-5% cuts every ten days or so.  Also, I found that some doctors tried to throw other medications (anti anxiety or antidepressants) to deal with normal withdrawal anxiety during taper. While some may benefit from an a/d at some point, I knew that I did not want to add anything until finished with my benzo taper.  I still have not added any other medications but some may benefit.  I would be cautious about any doctor that says you can taper off 10mg valium in less than about six to nine months.  Any doctor that would try to taper in a month or two while adding other medications?  I'd run and find another doctor!  Also, it is not uncommon as you let lower in dose to need to slow it down or even hold for three weeks on occasion.  There is no set way. Follow your own body and follow a doctor who understands that point!

 

Make sure you have the Ashton Manual along with a tapering schedule for how you wish to proceed. I brought a whole tapering  schedule of how long and how I was going to taper and he seemed amenable after that.  In fact, the doctor was more interested in my schedule than the Ashton Manual, maybe because it limited his liability since we had a concrete written plan.

 

See below: I'm including a taper schedule that I followed for dry cutting valium @.25 mgs every 10 days using 5 mg and 2 mg pills. When I got down to 2.5 mgs, things got a little rocky for me so I used liquid valium the rest of the way. Here is the schedule for .25 mg cuts.

 

You'll need 5 mg and 2 mg pills

 

One-half (1/2) of a 2mg Valium tablet equals 1mg One-fourth (1/4) of a 2mg Valium tablet equals .5mg (Simply cut your 2mg tablet in half, and then cut each half in half. You should end up with four pieces of the same size, with each piece equaling one-fourth (1/4) of your original 2mg tablet.) One-half (1/2) of a 5mg Valium tablet equals 2.5mg One-fourth (1/4) of a 5mg Valium tablet equals 1.25mg

 

As there are many possible combinations of the above, the following guide is simply a sample of options that will hopefully assist you on your tapering journey!

(10mg Valium was an arbitrary starting point.)

 

10mg: Two 5mg tablets (5mg + 5mg=10mg)

 

9.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg + 1mg + .5mg = 9.75mg)

 

9.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (5mg + 2.5mg + 2mg = 9.5mg)

 

9.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg + 1mg =9.25mg)

 

9mg: One 5mg tablet, two 2mg tablets (5mg + 2mg + 2mg = 9mg)

 

8.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet

(5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg + .5mg =8.75mg)

 

8.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 2.5mg + .5mg = 8.5mg)

 

8.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg = 8.25mg)

 

8mg: One 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 2mg + 1mg = 8mg)

 

7.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 1mg + .5mg = 7.75mg)

 

7.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 5mg tablet (5mg + 2.5mg = 7.5mg)

 

7.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg+ 1mg = 7.25mg)

 

7mg: One 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (5mg + 2mg = 7mg)

 

6.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + .5mg = 6.75mg)

 

6.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1mg + .5mg = 6.5mg)

 

6.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg = 6.25mg)

 

6mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1mg = 6mg)

 

5.75mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (2.5mg +1.25mg + 2mg = 5.75mg)

 

5.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + .5mg = 5.5mg)

 

5.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, two 2mg tablets (1.25mg + 2mg + 2mg = 5.25mg)

 

5mg: One 5mg tablet

 

4.75mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (2.5mg + 1.25mg + 1mg = 4.75mg)

 

4.5mg: Two 2mg tablets, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (2mg + 2mg + .5mg = 4.5mg)

 

4.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 2mg + 1mg = 4.25mg)

 

4mg: Two 2mg tablets (2mg + 2mg = 4mg)

 

3.75mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 2mg +.5mg = 3.75mg)

 

3.5mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (2.5mg + 1mg = 3.5mg)

 

3.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 2mg = 3.25mg)

 

3mg: One 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (2mg + 1mg = 3mg)

 

2.75mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 1mg + .5mg = 2.75mg)

 

2.5mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet

 

2.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 1mg = 2.25mg)

 

2mg: One 2mg tablet

 

1.75mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + .5mg = 1.75mg)

 

1.5mg: ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1mg + .5mg = 1.5mg)

 

1.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet

 

1mg: ½ of a 2mg tablet

 

Good luck!

 

Vertigo

[[ve...]]

Please do not do that to your son or to yourself.... detox stories have been horrific, and are not healthy. No question about that. You need to do a slow taper, as slow as possible to keep you functioning.

 

Agreed!

[[pr...]]

As for the tolerance withdrawl,i can't be too sure of that....but it sounds more like it's tapering too fast.

 

Tolerance withdrawal is a term that's tossed around loosely.  Actually it is something that happens when you're taking the same dose every day, NOT during a taper.  I agree that what you describes sounds like you're tapering too fast.

 

I also agree about detox being bad news.  I've never tried it but I've never heard one single good story about it and I've heard many, many horror stories.

 

The thing is, there's no shortcut.  I've read probably thousands of posts now and I haven't seen a single shortcut yet.  People try all kinds of things but inevitably they end up worse off than ever.

 

If you need to be functional, going faster and throwing yourself into months of suffering isn't the answer.  If you need to be functional for life responsibilities, the best approach is a very slow taper. 

 

It sounds like that may mean doing some doctor shopping in your case.

[[Fl...]]

I hesitate to bring it up because it's taboo around here to advocate anything but a long taper, but do you think there might be a way to compromise?

 

An 8 month taper vs. detox isn't the only option. I tapered over 3 months and if I had it to do all over again there's no way I would have tacked an additional 6 months or a year on this process by stretching out my taper. And I wasn't even that sick coming off the drug. You are already sick. Maybe someone who was pretty sick before getting off the drug can chime in but I'm not aware of anyone who was already sick feeling better by tapering slowly.

 

Just my experience.

[[wi...]]

DON'T DO IT!!!!  I did a hospital detox and it was a failure.  I had to reinstate.  You can't detox benzos that fast.  Everyone I have come across on BB who has done a hospital detox has a similar story to mine.  I would NEVER do it over again!!!  Their approach is pretty much the same as cold turkey.  I wish I could tell you it would make it all easier, but it won't.  It prolonged my misery and I literally almost died in the horrible months following.

 

Slow and steady.  It can be done.

 

Wish

[[Me...]]

It is all so confusing.  I see the pdoc in one week.  Vertigo, I had given a taper plan to my nurse yesterday that was about 3 months to go 10 mg to 2mg and then see from there.  I figured that if I used the drops, then no cutting is required, but essentially, a similiar taper.  I hate cutting the tabs because they don't seem to be even and it kind of freaks me out.  But she thought it was too long. 

 

I just read my pdoc report that his opinion was that I still require 6-8 weeks to stablize before considering going back towork... that was dated Feb 14, I'm 4 weeks later (dropped from 12.25 to 10) and just starting to function like a human being again. I can't imagine taking another cut and going back to work!  But to be fair, I think I was doing well on that visit.  I haven't worked for over a year!  What a joke. 

 

I have significant amnesia during most of the day (I sort out my mind at night, before the meds kick back in!)... and it looks like confustion but I actually think I have amnesia.  I forget everything and I need several cues to get me on track.  For example, I read my schedule for the day to my nurse a couple of times.  Then she said, "I can let you go early so you can get to your bankrupcy appointment."  But I read it out, then forgot it, then I appeared confused. "I don't have another appointment today, I only do one appointment a day?"... but then she pointed to my book and showed me... "oh... but I have no recollection where that office is?" (even though it is only 2 blocks over and I've been there twice.) This amnesia must be from the Valuim, a toxic efffect, because I am less confused at night when I am taking my dose.  I am totally confused if I wake up and mornings are a write off but I can do appointments in afternoon but I am bewildered.  By the time I am picking up my son, I am coming out of the fog around 5 pm.

 

BTW, I don't have family suport and I am sole parent, so I already arranged a wonderful foster family for him to visit once every two weeks and therefore, that is the family he would go to if there was emergency or detox, etc. They are prepared to do resite or short term foster with him. They would bring him to vist me.  Only slightly tramatic for him, but it is now an option, whereas for about 4 months I had no options but just suffer and he suffered too, no schedule, nothing but tv!  He is actually increasing his pro-social skills with each respite care visit and with a break for me, I am eager to see him again, so we both benefit of us benefit from the respite care with 'his other family', where I hold the place as his mother and this is his home.  It is working out pretty good that way.  They also said that they would also observe my behaviour and if they felt that he should spend more timewith his family, I understand why. 

 

I also pay 3/5ths of my income (twice my rent!) for mother helper and daycare on top of the respite care.  Leaves very little for food.

 

But the social workers don't understand the pressure from the doc to taper fast.  He was giving me 3 week prescriptions of exact amounts!  I usually at best have 5 mg left over each visit so it means getting to the pharmacy even if I am not feeeling well, just because I am so close to run out. I did ask for an extra week, just in case his appoointment was postponed a week!

 

My pdoc had the ASHton Manual but I just think that the pdoc and counsellor have had only one other successful patient and that person was able to taper a lot faster than me and used drops only at the end.  So they are expecting me to taper faster.  They seem to lack experience in a range of patients, if not the knowledge of the technique.

[[ma...]]

Dear Memories,

It is incredible that you have managed to get good care set up for

your child while undergoing all this benzo stuff.

Big, big  kudos to you, as a Mom. I can't even imagine going through this

benzo wd while having a small child at home, and being a single mom to boot..

Boy oh boy. You have a lot to deal with.

 

Unfortunately there seem to be few, if any, facilities set up for humane "benzo" detox.

What is needed are real "healing centers" - where those needing help & support

in benzo wd can come - feel safe & cared for & do slow tapers. Maybe someday.

 

Meanwhile, maybe keep trying to push the Ashton Manual protocol w/ your Dr, or find a new Dr if you can,

who would go with at least a slower taper. like FloridaGuy suggested.

Let people here know how you're doing & keep asking for help.

Hugs,

margaretisabel

 

 

[[ve...]]

It is all so confusing.  I see the pdoc in one week.  Vertigo, I had given a taper plan to my nurse yesterday that was about 3 months to go 10 mg to 2mg and then see from there.  I figured that if I used the drops, then no cutting is required, but essentially, a similiar taper.  I hate cutting the tabs because they don't seem to be even and it kind of freaks me out.  But she thought it was too long.  I just read my pdoc report that his opinion was that I still require 6-8 weeks to stablize before considering going back to work... that was dated Feb 14, I'm 4 weeks later (dropped from 12.25 to 10) and just starting to function like a human being again. I can't imagine taking another cut and going back to work!

 

Hi Memories.  I wonder what the nurse is basing the taper schedule on?  Three months to taper from 10mg to 2mg seems very rapid.  Remember, my neurologist said he tapers his patients who are taking 2.5mg, over about two months.  By that logic, it ought to be 8 months to taper 10mg to zero or at least four months to taper from 10 down to 5mg. 

 

In any case, the taper should be a function of how you are feeling, not an arbitrary time line based on a nurse's opinion. If you need to hold two to three weeks periodically to stabilize, that should be acceptable too.  On the other hand, waiting beyond about about three weeks after each cut can lead to tolerance.

 

As for when to go with liquid, I would recommend smaller cuts using the liquid valium, once down to about 3mg. It might be necessary to go with .25mg cuts instead of .50 cuts once below about 4mg.  Is there some reason to rush to 2mg in three months?  I think you'd be in pretty good shape to be at 4 or 5mg in three months and you might need to hold for three weeks once you get there.  Some find that below 5mg, 10% cuts are too much, sometimes have to try 5% cuts which would be .25mg cuts below 5mg.  As you get down to 2 or 3mg, you might want to go even lower or consider daily titration.

 

Vertigo

 

 

[[Me...]]

I honestly like the idea of daily tritration because I already up over the course of a few days, down, so doing cuts when I am feeling up, then I rollercoaster down.  I wonder a lot that if I am on a mood stabiliszing drug, that it is counter productive to do cuts every week or two or even three if needed as it seems to destabilize my energy levels.  I feel great today (relatively) but don't see the doc till mid week next week.  Also I was added another drug (50 mg prednisone) just yesterday as a diagnostic trial, so should I cut now, or wait till the one week trial is over?  Who know?

[[Ti...]]

Hello,

 

I went to detox, please please do not do so!  It was the worst nightmare I could ever

imagine!  They treat you absolutely horribly, and you run a serious risk of protracted

withdrawal.  If I had to do it all over again, had I known, I never would have done so.

 

A taper plan is a much better way to go.

 

*Hugs*

Tink

[[Me...]]

I have fantastic news!

 

One of the issues with my withdrawal is that I have chronic undiagnosed pain.  It is in my large muscles and I fatigue easily.  I do the push pull cylcle of chronic fatigue, which my pdoc interprets as rapid cycling bipolar.  My mood has nothing to do with it.  If I sleep extra I feel better (not depresssed).  If I sleep less when I am a bit hypomanic, I don't feel terrible but if I overdo it physicaly or taper too fast, I feel significant achy pain and fatigue.

 

So the diagnostic test is over because the prednisone worked immediately and it confirmed a dignosis my GP had in mind,  an arthritic condition rare in people my age but I fit the symptoms and diagnostics perfectly.

 

" What Causes Polymyalgia Rheumatica?

It is thought by some to be related to rheumatoid arthritis, while others believe it is actually a genetic disorder. Possible causes of polymyalgia rheumatica include:

 

•Autoimmune Disease: Polymyalgia rheumatica may result from an autoimmune disorder in which white blood cells attack the lining of the joints, causing inflammation.

•Environmental Factors: Some researchers believe that polymyalgia rheumatica is caused by the adenovirus respiratory infection." - It really started while I was fighting the bronchitis!

 

I am of the genetic descent that has the highest risk and being a woman doubles my risk.  So I am sure that if I can get my chronic pain under control simply, then the taper will be way easier and apparently just a week or two of treatment will eliminate pain.

 

My doc said, "if you didn't have chronic pain and you could do what you want, how would you feel?"  Obviously, I'd feel terrrific... so the psych diagnosis may fall by the wayside and I can start living a fruitful life again and play with my son again. Travel across town any day of the week not just for the once a day I allow for appointments!  Do Argentine Tango, bike everywhere I go, swim laps while my son is in swim lessons, do physio and rehab and be me again!  The me I was in 2006! (year prior to my pregnancy!)

 

Just a caveat:  I did take a serious fall, plus a couple other falls while I was suffering withdrawal (poor balance.) The nerve pain I attributed to the WD may still be related to injury because my cervical spine pain became more intense as the ache dull chronic pain went away, so I got an x-ray today to make sure I didn't fracture my spine?

 

I am so excited to tell my pdoc and nurse the great news!  That I have a chronic disease with good treatment option and good prognosis for living well!  My GP thinks the psychological stuff is just an overlay of the disease, not orgainic in my brain at all!  I am so happy... Ready to face my pdoc and nurse with confidence!

 

 

[[ve...]]

That is very good news, Memories.  No doubt it is a relief to have a diagnosis that is treatable.  Still, you need to stay focused on making sure your doctors are not rushing you on your taper as the withdrawal from too rapid a taper could trigger painful symptoms that might exacerbate or worsen the other painful condition/arthritis.  So be sure that you still find a plan that is reasonable and which will leave you with as smooth a landing as possible. 

 

Best,

 

Vertigo

[[Me...]]

I was also thinking that I need to go on a special taper to titrate the drug to control the  disease I have, which has it's own issues that will confound the withdrawal issues.  I may try to convince the pdoc that I just want to deal with one taper at a time.  I don't want to taper off both the steroid and the Valium, but get the right dose of the steroid first (I probably  have to take more mood stabilizer because I am so  delighted that my chronic pain is actually going to be treated!) Resume a slow taper once I stabilized with the steroid and mood stabilizer, then when I've tapered off the benzo, I'll taper off the mood stabilizer and in a year or two I can taper off the steroid and will be drug free!

[[Me...]]

Oh... thank goodnesss I don't feel so desparate anymore.  I wonder why my pdoc is rushing. 

 

He reads Ashton scedule and missed the point that the patient can take a week to stabilize if 2 weeks is not enough, so I have to go at that rate because of the pill counting he does.  If my previous doc gave me armloads of clonazapam and I endured tolerance withdrawal without taking a single extra pill ,why can't he trust me to be able to do the withdrawal at a comfortable level.  I am also a health care professional so I did find a way to convince him that I had unique symptoms and using evidenced base practice is great but Ashtom is from 1965 and lots of people have reduced daily since then!  And I felt that doing periodic cuts was destabilizing my mood severely and with daily titrations I was able to cut the mood stabilizer by 1/3.  Then he counted out the mood stbilizer!  I told him that it would be considerate to at least give me extra in case I don't have the money when I run out to purchase my next 14 days supply! or what if I miss an appointment because I get sick, all things not related to slowing my taper!  It is a little bit anxiety provoking because I like having a bit of a safety net in all areas of my life and counting pills is just another stressor.  He uses my calculations and I am cognitively impaired.  What I made a calculation error! It is a bit frustrating but hopefully I don't run into trouble.  i don't feel a need for detox route, just crossing my fingers that daily dose reduction is the ticket to my success story.

[[fi...]]

I went to two hospital detoxes and they were the worst things I had ever gone through.  You can read about the details of them in my buddie blog, but I don't not recommend them for benzodiazepines.  Quite frankly, my body is still recovering from the last failed 5-day detox of Klonopin over a year ago.  Wish I had never gone to either of them.

 

Sincerely,

 

fg

[[ve...]]

Hi Memories.  Why not just tell your doctor that you are feeling the intensity of cuts now that you've gone lower and present the table below as an alternate plan to go a little slower.  My doctor saw that I was serious about my taper when I presented the taper schedule.

 

The following is a taper schedule that I followed for dry cutting valium @.25 mgs every 10 days using 5 mg and 2 mg pills. When I got down to 2.5 mgs, things got a little rocky for me so I used liquid valium the rest of the way. Here is the schedule for .25 mg cuts.

 

You'll need 5 mg and 2 mg pills

 

One-half (1/2) of a 2mg Valium tablet equals 1mg One-fourth (1/4) of a 2mg Valium tablet equals .5mg (Simply cut your 2mg tablet in half, and then cut each half in half. You should end up with four pieces of the same size, with each piece equaling one-fourth (1/4) of your original 2mg tablet.) One-half (1/2) of a 5mg Valium tablet equals 2.5mg One-fourth (1/4) of a 5mg Valium tablet equals 1.25mg

 

As there are many possible combinations of the above, the following guide is simply a sample of options that will hopefully assist you on your tapering journey!

(10mg Valium was an arbitrary starting point.)

 

10mg: Two 5mg tablets (5mg + 5mg=10mg)

 

9.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg + 1mg + .5mg = 9.75mg)

 

9.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (5mg + 2.5mg + 2mg = 9.5mg)

 

9.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg + 1mg =9.25mg)

 

9mg: One 5mg tablet, two 2mg tablets (5mg + 2mg + 2mg = 9mg)

 

8.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet

(5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg + .5mg =8.75mg)

 

8.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 2.5mg + .5mg = 8.5mg)

 

8.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 2mg = 8.25mg)

 

8mg: One 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 2mg + 1mg = 8mg)

 

7.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + 1mg + .5mg = 7.75mg)

 

7.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 5mg tablet (5mg + 2.5mg = 7.5mg)

 

7.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg+ 1mg = 7.25mg)

 

7mg: One 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (5mg + 2mg = 7mg)

 

6.75mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg + .5mg = 6.75mg)

 

6.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1mg + .5mg = 6.5mg)

 

6.25mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet (5mg + 1.25mg = 6.25mg)

 

6mg: One 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + 1mg = 6mg)

 

5.75mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (2.5mg +1.25mg + 2mg = 5.75mg)

 

5.5mg: One 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (5mg + .5mg = 5.5mg)

 

5.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, two 2mg tablets (1.25mg + 2mg + 2mg = 5.25mg)

 

5mg: One 5mg tablet

 

4.75mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (2.5mg + 1.25mg + 1mg = 4.75mg)

 

4.5mg: Two 2mg tablets, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (2mg + 2mg + .5mg = 4.5mg)

 

4.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 2mg + 1mg = 4.25mg)

 

4mg: Two 2mg tablets (2mg + 2mg = 4mg)

 

3.75mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 2mg +.5mg = 3.75mg)

 

3.5mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (2.5mg + 1mg = 3.5mg)

 

3.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, one 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 2mg = 3.25mg)

 

3mg: One 2mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (2mg + 1mg = 3mg)

 

2.75mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 1mg + .5mg = 2.75mg)

 

2.5mg: ½ of a 5mg tablet

 

2.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ½ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + 1mg = 2.25mg)

 

2mg: One 2mg tablet

 

1.75mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1.25mg + .5mg = 1.75mg)

 

1.5mg: ½ of a 2mg tablet, ¼ of a 2mg tablet (1mg + .5mg = 1.5mg)

 

1.25mg: ¼ of a 5mg tablet

 

1mg: ½ of a 2mg tablet

 

Good luck!

 

 

 

[[Me...]]

I can't convince him to go slower, but the 2% cuts haven't caught up with me yet, so I will just keep going.  I did get some liquid valium which has simplified life!

 

Daily tapering is far easier for me as I feel improved or the same every day, where I would have extreme mood swings that were decreaseing my ability to function on the cut and wait method. 

 

I use my excell worksheet and have very precisely made the calcs so that I only go down precisely 2% every day, not a .2 mg per day then readjust as I get to lower doses.  I find this to be the trick to do 2% a day, because the doses reductions are not excalating in % as I go down if I were just subtracting the same every day. So it might work. 

 

I have seen lots of people do it based on symptoms but I am symptom free so I can't guage my cuts but using a % cut every day seems to make physioligical sense.  My body will learn to anticipate 2% every day without fail, not 1% then 1.1% then 1.2% cuts until I reach 2% and then I recalc and then 1% 1.1%...etc , it can't receive the biofeedback like that.  But once it sees 2% less each day, it will develop a plan (with biofeedback) to replace my Gaba receptors at the same rate 2% a day, which I will find out soon enough if that is physiologically possible!

 

I think it will work and I am doing this until 1mg and then I am going to take 1 week to get down to .88 and then start jumping gradually for two more weeks. The big jump is the last week from .5 to 0.8 and then to 0mg.  So the 1 mg jump will take three weeks and I hope that by then the GABA will have recovered by then to be able to "take" it, or I might have some symptoms which I will have to deal with.