Started my titration today!!!!!!!!!!

[[Ja...]]

I started my titration today, I got a freind to make me up a sceduale to use as a example, I know it is only a starting point as symptoms will determine if I need to hold on a certain dose or not, but I am on 1.5 mg so here is what i have done, I took .75 dry dose, then took the other .75 mg crushed it put it in 175ml of water suspended the (Klonopion) drew out 2 ml and drank the other 173ml today.  Dose it sound like I am on the right track?

 

 

Also I used some of the 175ml of water to rinse off the pill crusher and added that to my jar then to rinse the drug, then after my suspension was left in the jar and I drank all of it I noticed there was still some Klonopion residue in the jar so I added a bit more water and drank it, is that ok to do?

 

Dose anyone know if you can pick up a morter at like a wallgreens or cvs?

 

thanks

 

JAson

[[Ho...]]

When I first started I used a pill crusher but found out it was not needed as the Ativan would crumble in water and suspended perfectly , you might check that out.

 

 

[[An...]]

I just ordered my graduated cylinder! Looking forward to start my liquid taper. Are you tapering 2 ml a day? I am new to this and just wondering why you took 1/2 dry and 1/2 liquid?

[[Ja...]]

Yea thats what I used was a pill crusher just seems a morter would be easier to crush but I guess I could just drop the pills right in the water to disolve.

 

yes I am starting a tapering 2ml a day, but that might be to slow or to fast just a starting point, I take 1.5 a day so I cut the dose in have to take half dry, and then titrate the other half until I am at only .75 then I will titrate that the rest of the way.

[[do...]]

Hi!  I'm starting on Sunday and I hope we keep in touch.  It is a long journey and long journeys are easier with a friend>  Obviously I am a newby so this may be a dumb question bit why are you taking some dry and some not?  Someone must have recommended that.  Did they say why?

[[Ja...]]

This is the way I was told to do it, I think if you would take the entire dose titration then you would have to double the amount of water you drink but I am not actually sure? I am by no means a expert on this? I normally take my med only 1 time a day, I am thinking if you was going to take it 3-4 times a day and devide it equally then you would want to titrate the whole dose, I guess these are some questions I need answered as well.

 

I would be glad to keep in touch with you .. Keep me posted.

[[Ho...]]

I did it twice a day for an entire year ! I did buy a bunch of medicine jars  in case I needed to go on a trip but that never happened plus I was worried about going to jail too it was an irrational thought but I never up dosed the entire taper not once.

 

Cut out MSG and processed foods and take up biofeedback and it will help out a lot.

 

 

 

Good luck to you guys about to do battle.

 

I am with you if you ever need some advise.

 

 

[[Ja...]]

What is biofeedback?

 

[[Ho...]]

A Breathing excersise I do twice a day that has changed my life for the better. Google it.

 

[[Ja...]]

Where do I find a chart to make sure I am taking the right amount of water with my med?

 

Thanks for the info?

 

[[Ja...]]

Is their a specific web site you think I should visit to learn how to do biofeedback? I did google it, but could not find on how to actually practice it?

[[Ho...]]

Your going to use 175ml of water ? I used 100 but if I was doing Klonopin I think I would have used 200 and tapered 1ml each day as tolerated. 175 is fine I don't think there is a set rule on it.

 

As for the biofeedback there are YouTube videos.

 

An easy way is to breath in deep and exhale slowly for 10 minutes , put on a few songs that mellow you out and the time passes. The feedback is a device I have hooked up to the computer that tells me how my mind body are reacting to the breathing so I know how well it's calming me.

 

I really needed to go this far and buy the device and software but just the breathing excersise will work.

 

 

 

[[Ja...]]

Is their a chart on the water amount that I can look at?

[[Ho...]]

Hi Jason,

 

I'm not sure why you've chose to use 175 ml. This makes the math a little difficult. What most of our members do is use a 100 ml cylinder and pull 1 ml a day. From there you can drink the rest. You can keep going a this moderate pace until you feel symptoms then slow your pace down by reducing every other day...etc.

 

In terms of how many doses to take in a day; if you had been used to taking two doses a day, I might be concerned about you titrating one dose at a time. However, since you're used to taking one dose a day, I don't think it will be a problem.

 

Titration is actually one of the easier methods to work with as there is little math involved.

 

The truth is, you don't even really have to measure anything at all. It can be as simple as using the same amount of liquid each day and taking a tablespoon out each day and drinking the rest. As long as it's not to big an amount, it's the constancy that's important.

 

 

[[Ho...]]

Btw, you can get a mortar and pestle from ebay.

 

Yes, putting more water in the container and swishing it around and drinking it is a good idea.

[[bl...]]

 

 

The truth is, you don't even really have to measure anything at all. It can be as simple as using the same amount of liquid each day and taking a tablespoon out each day and drinking the rest. As long as it's not to big an amount, it's the constancy that's important.

 

Yep! Once I figured this out, it got much, much easier. And for anyone who is trying to use a spoon, a cooking teaspoon contains about 5 ml of water A half measuring teaspoon is 2.5 ml, and a quarter measuring teaspoon is 1.25 ml.

 

My thoughts are to just keep decreasing it at a "reasonable" rate monitoring personal symptoms. Charts make me feel a bit bound to them and out of control.

 

Just keep the amount of liquid consistent. It's easy even with a glass measuring cup. The videos on this probably helped many, but for me, were really super confusing because they involved blenders, milk, several kinds of syringes, and all of these specialty things which made me feel less "casual" about dropping my dose, which made it psychologically tougher off the bat; for some, it could just as easily be comforting though to make it more formal and medical feeling. That's something to take into account, I think.

 

 

[[Ho...]]

These drugs are very potent and it's important to be exact as possible I would never use a spoon.

 

The cylinder is important because that's what they are made for, exactness.

The glass jar with lid is important to suspend and be able to see your suspension.

The oral syringe draws out another exact amount.

 

This is ghetto enough !

 

 

Speed and accuracy is important because this is a suspension not a real titration.

I would not want to put a spoon in a jar 25 50 75 ect times when I am cutting, your suspension will have  dropped to the bottom already.

 

I used a blender in the beginning it was a mistake, the same amount of drug water I put in just did not come out !

 

I used a mortar and pestle in the beginning too, it's not needed if your pill will crumble in the water after shaking it you're good to go, I know Ativan works and most of the klonopins too plus I think Xanax works but I am not sure about diazepam.

 

 

 

 

[[bl...]]

I understand. However, it's going fine. I'm on a good-sized dose still. It's better than cutting, where your pills crumble everywhere. When my dose is smaller, I'll use a pipette thing. Right now, it's working for me. Eight days! 

I'm just so glad to be cutting down. It's like my sixth try or something. This has had less side effects than other tapers so far.

 

I had a grand mal seizure proceeded by serious visual hallucinations after a 48 hour c/t from 3 mg Xanax per day. Yikes!

 

 

[[Ja...]]

Hope1962----------, I had another benzo recovery person help me out with a chart a few months back and they calculated the water at 175ml, Thats what I would like to research and find out how much water to use and the best way to take my dose, I take 1.5mg a day been on it for 15 years I think, they told me to take it all at once cause that is how I have always taken it, they told me to take .75 dry and titrate useing 175ml of water with the other .75 of k in it withdrawing 2ml a day and said in a perfect world with no holding it would take 3 months to titrate .75 mg I just want to know if I am useing the right amount of water and should I only cut 1 ml a day? should I break my doses up or am I good taking them all at once? and is it ok to take half of it dry right now? I will take all the help I can get!!!!

[[Ho...]]

Hi Jason,

 

If you feel more comfortable using 175 ml of water, then that's what you should do. I can only tell you what our members usually do.

 

As for how often to dose, if you've been dosing once a day and feel ok (no interdose withdrawals) I'd continue doing that. It might make it easier. In this case, I can see where using 175 mls of water would make sense if you're using the full dose once a day.

 

My advice, in general with a taper is to always start with a small cut and see how you feel. If I were you, I'd start with 1 ml a day for say..10 days. If I felt ok, I'd probably try 2 mls a day. But it's really up to you. If you want to start at 2 ml, I think that will be fine. This is a trial and error kind of thing.

 

If you want to titrate .75 and take the other .75 in pill form, you can use 100 mls of water. Then draw off 1 ml each day.

 

At some point you're probably going to want to slow down. Make sure you keep a record of your cuts and how you're feeling 4 - 8 days in.

[[Ja...]]

Ok see the thing is , I have no idea what the water really does so 175ml vs 100ml of water and then putting .75mg of K in it changes what? Can you explane this to me? I mean how would 100 ml of water vs 175ml of water change my titration, this is what I dont get.

[[Ho...]]

When titrating with 175 mls of water you are essentially lowering the concentration of k in your solution. The more water, the less the concentration. If you remove 1 ml of water from 175 mls you're removing less k per cut than if you had used the same dose of k in 100 mls.

[[Ja...]]

ok so then I am reducing my dose a lot slower using 175 ml of water then. And if I used 100ml I would reduce it much faster correct?

[[Ja...]]

How do I figure out what my current dose is when doing the titration? My dry dose is .75 then my titrated dose is 175ml of water with .75mg in it today I removed 6 ml for my toss, So how do I figure out my amount out each day as I toss more?

 

 

Thanks

 

Jason

[[Ho...]]

ok so then I am reducing my dose a lot slower using 175 ml of water then. And if I used 100ml I would reduce it much faster correct?

 

That's right.