Someone explain the biology of updosing

[[Me...]]

So when I gave up on my last taper I updosed past my original dosE of K.

My problems didnt get better they only got worse.

 

The main thing being my emotional regulation.  Which I understand is the job of the amygdala, which I learned has many gaba recepters.

 

It was just so strange how my emotions were so out of wack.  Alot of painful emotions I just could handle.  I was forced to either have e.c.t done or take a mood stabaluzer. 

I took the mood stabalizer.

 

I just wish someone could shed some light on the whole situation.

 

Thxs!

 

 

[[Bi...]]

Hello Mether,

 

I cannot explain the Biology of up - dosing. I know when I up - dosed once on Valium, it turned paradoxical on me. I think I made a bad move. After I upped the dose, it made me taper faster. I tapered faster because my body was getting sick on it.. especially after the up-dose.

I tried to up-dose Klonopin once, it worked for a while, and then left me sick once again.

 

Just listen to your body, taper at a rate that fits you, and stick with the course until the end.

You will get there,

Billy.

[[sp...]]

understanding this in terms of biology is not going to help you feel better. you can't analyze your way out of psychospiritual crisis.

 

when something upsets the applecart and your body goes into a state of shock and damage, trying to discern what's happening on a mechanical level is pretty useless because you have no mechanism to interact with things on that level (besides more drugs). Ashton's original literature notes simply that updosing does not always work, and does not describe a mechanism for this because even with an MD and a ton of experience, she didn't even want to speculate about a lot of the pharamcokinetics involved.

 

now is not the time to be overthinking any of this, just find a way to go with the flow until it's over. when you're on the other side of it, if you're still curious, that is the time to start crawling through pubmed to read about receptor affinities etc. none of that information is going to do you nearly as much good right now as basic meditation and stress-relief practices.

 

 

[[Me...]]

Ya you guys are right.......its just this compulsive thinking of mine, ill probebly ask the same question ten more times

 

 

Spengler,  how do meditate while in w/d?  Whenever I try I feel more spaced out and get scared.

 

What kind of meditation do you do?

 

 

 

[[ve...]]

Hi Metheral. 

Two good books for anxiety and mindfulness meditation exercises are:

 

1)The Mindfulness and Acceptance Workbook for Anxiety by Forsyth and Eifert

2)Mindful Way through Anxiety by Roemer.

 

Hope you feel better soon,

 

Vertigo

[[sp...]]

Ya you guys are right.......its just this compulsive thinking of mine, ill probebly ask the same question ten more times

 

 

Spengler,  how do meditate while in w/d?  Whenever I try I feel more spaced out and get scared.

 

What kind of meditation do you do?

 

I'm not very good at this yet, but I just sit in a relaxed posture and count my breaths up to ten and then back down again, over and over. I also try to breathe fully. It's less about the counting, and more about trying to tune into all the things you are feeling and experiencing at each of those moments in time, the counting is just a trick to distract the part of the mind that feels a compulsive need to think in words. I have read that when you get good at it you can let go of the words entirely and just think "ohm" or whatever.

 

If you're like 99.99% of people who try this, it will be very hard at first, and your mind will go off in a million directions. Don't try to fight that, just watch it happen and gently pull yourself back into the present moment with your counting.

 

You can start by just trying to do this for a few minutes at a time once or twice a day, it will gradually get easier and you may find yourself sitting there for longer periods of time. If anything about it feels hard or makes you anxious, just stop and pick it up again later.

 

Most people in the west have a hard time making any headway with this, I think it is because we have, as a culture, a materialistic obsession with the future and with material gain that will occur in the future. I think this comes out in the way we use drugs. Meditation takes much longer to see any benefit than drugs, so people go to drugs because they are in tune with the insane demands of our culture.

 

If you can get just a tiny bit of distance from your own thinking, a lot of things start to seem very bizarre and ridiculous, from benzos to wearing clothes. I wouldn't push it too hard while in wd and so I'm not advocating intense meditation or some of the more extreme practices like kundalini meditation. The focus here should just be letting your mind go, watching it run off the rails, and then gently pull it back. The more that you can become a conscious observer of your own thoughts, the less you will be held prisoner by them.