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Medically induced coma for rapid benzo detox


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I told my pain management specialist about my 5 year Benzo situation and he said there’s someone local that does a medically induced coma to rapid detox from benzos. I know Jordan Peterson had success with this.

 

The thing is my Benzo symptoms are the most debilitating and complicated that I’ve ever heard of.

 

Does anyone have any information about this procedure? pros and cons?

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Its a really bad idea. Nothing about a rapid detox allows any sort of healing in that short period of time. There is one drug which has been shown to have potential to reset the GABA receptors but as its a benzodiazepine antagonist, it has to put you in full-blown withdrawal to even attempt it and its incredibly dangerous. There are very few countries in the world that will allow such a procedure because it can become deadly very quickly if it isn't managed perfectly.

 

The only difference between a rapid detox in a coma and a rapid detox while conscious is that the coma detox will not give you the opportunity to learn to work through your issues while you are tapering and will leave you completely unable to cope when the true withdrawal happens.

 

There are not many shortcuts one can take and be successful in the long term.

 

You are on a relatively low dose of Ativan which can be a very problematic benzo to directly withdraw from. Have they tried moving you to Valium or even Klonopin to get something with a longer halflife? 10mg of Valium should be enough to completely substitute for your Ativan and then you can do a single dose a day which is much more manageable than the minimum 3 doses a day you should be doing with Ativan itself to maintain a steady plasma level.

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Have you watched Jordan Petersons most recent interview?

I wouldn't really say he called the coma detox in Russia successful. As he is now in Serbia receiving treatment that they have not disclosed yet.

Coma detox is crazy dangerous, and besides when you wake up....you will definitely STILL be in withdrawal! They can't keep you asleep for weeks or months. So there is really no reason to put you under at all.

I was a rapid WD at a facility...which was really just cross me over to long acting benzo for 6 days, and then blam, stop!

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Have you watched Jordan Petersons most recent interview?

I wouldn't really say he called the coma detox in Russia successful. As he is now in Serbia receiving treatment that they have not disclosed yet.

Coma detox is crazy dangerous, and besides when you wake up....you will definitely STILL be in withdrawal! They can't keep you asleep for weeks or months. So there is really no reason to put you under at all.

I was a rapid WD at a facility...which was really just cross me over to long acting benzo for 6 days, and then blam, stop!

 

+1 to this. Not successful doesn't even come close. From what I remember, he was pretty much delirious. If only there was a way to be in a peaceful come for months while the receptors heal, I would give anything.

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I can’t break any confidentiality issues but I saw first hand that the induced coma did NOT work for Jordan Peterson.  It almost killed him.  If there was a chance that this might work, I’d do it myself.  I think that Jordan had it done in Russia.  I wish to God that there was an easier way through this crappy situation.  I just don’t think there are any shortcuts.  I think that it was Winston Churchill that said, “when you’re in hell...keep walking”.  I don’t want to sound brave about the situation we are all in.  I’m probably the biggest coward on this site.  I just keep trying to find 15 minutes of sanity each day and get as much walking as I can...its difficult when I feel so agoraphobic.  I have dark thoughts each day but I sure would miss my daughters and the loved ones in my wife.  I have taken ALL sugar out of my diet and drink one gallon of ionized water each day.  That’s the amount I should drink based on my size 185lbs
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I keep hearing great things about nad+ detox, it doesn't involve any coma:)

 

It's interesting....but NAD+ infusions are so expensive!

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From everything I've read and heard from professionals I've spoken to...there is no successful rapid taper off benzos. As hard as that is to hear. Have you been able to attempt a crossover to Valium in order to wean much slower?
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Maybe you can get on the taper thread and ask others how to do a proper microtaper?  I sure wish chessplayer still had an acct. on this site.  He was very smart and knew perfectly how to do a microtaper.  He mentioned on this forum one time that he came off his benzo too rapidly and then had to reinstate and then do a good microtaper.  When he finally finished his microtaper he said he felt fine then.  He also used to help others who had questions about doing a microtaper.
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Jordan Peterson had to be subjected to coma and plasmapheresis because he had severe paradoxical reaction to clonazepam and so he could not do a proper taper. Now while in Belgrade, where he was receiving treatment for the consequences of his detox he contracted COVID-19 and had fairly mild symptoms but docs pumped him full of antiviral and other drugs anyway which caused him a severe setback. It was unnecessary but docs probably did it to protect themselves rather than him.
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To add to what others say, Jordan Peterson didn't have "success" by any reasonable measure. The symptoms he had upon waking from the coma were worse than I've seen anybody describe here. He describes being left alone to go to bed and just staring at it because he couldn't process what steps were required to get into bed. His daughter says that he was asking for the time every 10 minutes or so because he couldn't hold it in his memory. He is stable now but we don't know what medication he's taking.

 

This is an utterly terrible idea.

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This is an utterly terrible idea.

 

Yeah. Even worse than rapid detox with flumazenil. Post-taper flumazenil infusions are said to help but rapid detox with flumazenil can backfire really, really bad.

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If anyone is seriously considering this, I would suggest to NOT...

Perhaps read the two other threads (I know of) from some time back as a start...

-If still interested, then I would assume that things are that bad that one probably isnt fit to be induced anyways.. -So to speak..

 

Sure is a nice “thought” though...

 

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I have to be honest and say I have had two friends do this and it did not work for either of them.  What they both said afterwards is that it is too fast for the body to withdraw.  Both said they wished they had done a taper.  They both suffered as badly as if they had done a two year taper.

 

That doesn’t mean there aren’t people who benefit for other medications but I think benzos are just too difficult to get off that quickly and not have the body go nuts.

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The closest you'll get to this effect is to source a heavy indica strain of cannabis that is renowned for its sleep inducing properties. I was in a hellish state of withdrawal when I cut way too quickly to 5mg diazepam. I couldn't sleep for more than 3 hours per night and my symptoms were through the roof. I took to vaporizing cannabis in the day time and before bed. I was kinda nuts on it but I was nuts off it too. It made me feel a lot better and I could sleep a more reasonable 6-7 hours. Then I got hold of a more sedating strain (by accident to be honest) and it put me to sleep during the afternoon which seemed like a miracle. I bet I slept more than half the day every day for about a week! It was such a relief!

 

This isn't a recommendation. I think that using a little cannabis during a slow taper is safer and more predictable. And I recommend taking frequent breaks to see how you feel under the mask, rather than anaesthetising yourself the whole time, which I doubt is the healthiest thing to do. It also keeps tolerance down which is good, because a little cannabis is healthier than a tonne of cannabis. That would be my recommendation. Your mind will go to some "interesting" places if you rapid withdraw the benzo and use cannabis. I suspect that if you can handle it, you're probably going to be alright, so it's self-limiting in that respect. However, I wouldn't want to bet your life on it  ;)!

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I don't think you should do that...although in a perfect world I wish I could have slept through w/d and woke up a normal person...its just not reality... not to mention you need to be put under to stay in a coma...not the best thing for the brain especially when it is already damaged. I dont know much about Jordan petersons recovery however I hope when he gets better he blows the lid off of benzos....I think your best bet Is to taper like the rest of us.  I hope this helps.
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I dont know much about Jordan petersons recovery however I hope when he gets better he blows the lid off of benzos....I think your best bet Is to taper like the rest of us.

Benzos so very much need to go the way of barbiturates i.e. to be used only in hospitals for special purposes and not to be prescribed for chronic usage.

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absolutely. It's a crime. If you go to a pharmacist and ask them what the protocol is on writing scripts for benzos they will tell you it has to be sporadically taken and less than weeks straight...yet they fill the scripts for 30 or 60 a mo. At the end of the day its an industry. It pays to put people on benzos...especially because people so rarely come off of them. If this community came together we could make waves..no pun intended. I am still recovering but I am really coming out the other end of this thing and it brings tears to my eyes reading the posts in withdrawal support. It is seared into my brain what its like to be in that stage..and it makes me angry that all of us got taken advantage of..especially when most of us just wanted help with anxiety or some other disorder we were experiencing...and trusted healthcare professionals...I just think its really strange how doctors write scripts for drugs that they basically know nothing about..like how can you write a script for something and then not know the affects? These are people who went to school for 8+ years and have no problem admitting or acknowledging that narcotics are highly addicting...but when it comes to benzos they are clueless? It's disgusting.
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For anyone interested in Jordan Peterson's story...here it is in his daughter's podcast

 

 

Pretty sad to see him so debilitated. I've followed his positive-thinking speeches for years

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"People who have been in comas often speak about "tunnel moments." And feelings of being trapped in their bodies before waking up. Stories include believing they were in different countries and hallucinations."

 

"Over a 30-day time period, the incremental cost of daily delirium or coma attributable to increased service intensity is about $18,000. This is about $600 per day."

 

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