The Peterson saga- bridging the gap between benzos, autoimmune disease and diet

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JediMindTricks posted this fantastic interview with Mikhaila Peterson in another thread but I think it deserves a discussion of it's own-

 

I see a lot of vitriol being spewed toward Mikhaila, not only in the general public but also here on BB. Watch this video, and pay close attention to her message. Mikhaila had a come to Jesus moment regarding the safety and efficacy of modern medicine just like most of us have (watch starting at 12:50). Given her comments on her father's situation I am not sure if she fully grasps the scope of what certain drugs can do and the importance of listening to the right people when it comes to stopping these kinds of drugs, but the parallels between her situation and our situation are many.

 

It bothers me to see BB's dismissing her story wholesale. Before the benzo mess started for me I might have done the same thing, but now that I have a better idea of how things work I do not for one second doubt that she was able to resolve serious, debilitating autoimmune issues, depression, etc with an unconventional diet.

 

When I changed my diet last year it lead me down a whole new rabbit hole and eventually I started to realize that the diet issue and the psych drug issue are two sides of the same coin. And it isn't that there is ONE diet that is 100% right for everyone, it is that much of the conventional wisdom regarding diets is counterproductive to optimal health, and I would argue that some of it is flat out making us sick.

 

Now that her father has become another victim of benzos I think there is a good chance that we are going to hear more from her regarding the dangers of benzos and prescription drugs in general. I just hope that BB's will keep an open mind and realize how much we can learn from her situation.

 

 

 

 

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Hi FloridaGuy, can you elaborate a bit on your experience with the diet change? What changes did you make, and what did you notice?

 

Regarding Mikhaila, I cant help but wonder if she is not constantly constipated, you know, from the lack of fiber? 

Good for her that she found relief though!

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Hi FloridaGuy, can you elaborate a bit on your experience with the diet change? What changes did you make, and what did you notice?

 

I have been eating keto for about 8 or 10 months now. Lost 20lbs effortlessly, it cured my acid reflux, eczema and allergies, all of which I have suffered from most of my adult life outside of eating somewhere along the low carb/paleo/keto spectrum.

 

Regarding Mikhaila, I cant help but wonder if she is not constantly constipated, you know, from the lack of fiber? 

Good for her that she found relief though!

 

I am really glad you brought this up because this is exactly what I am talking about there. The idea that your body needs fiber for normal digestion is a myth.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

 

 

Think salt is bad for you? Might want to do some research on that.

 

Think cholesterol is bad for you? Might want to do some research on that.

 

Think vegetables are a panacea? Might want to do some research on that.

 

Once you get past societal programming and start looking at the REAL science (or often the lack of science) behind the human diet you will realize that much of what we are told is bogus.

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FG, thank you for sharing your observation, it sounds really interesting! I too, suffer from allergies, skin problems and PPI-resistent acid reflux. It would be interesting to see if other BBs have tried the keto diet.

 

Ive read the study you linked, and it is a small, preliminary one. I think it would be more helpful if you told us your personal experience with this on a low-fiber diet.  Moreover, nowadays we are drowning in a sea of information, and you can find evidence, anecdotes and studies to back up any diet out there! 

 

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Hi FloridaGuy, can you elaborate a bit on your experience with the diet change? What changes did you make, and what did you notice?

 

I have been eating keto for about 8 or 10 months now. Lost 20lbs effortlessly, it cured my acid reflux, eczema and allergies, all of which I have suffered from most of my adult life outside of eating somewhere along the low carb/paleo/keto spectrum.

 

Regarding Mikhaila, I cant help but wonder if she is not constantly constipated, you know, from the lack of fiber? 

Good for her that she found relief though!

 

I am really glad you brought this up because this is exactly what I am talking about there. The idea that your body needs fiber for normal digestion is a myth.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

 

 

Think salt is bad for you? Might want to do some research on that.

 

Think cholesterol is bad for you? Might want to do some research on that.

 

Think vegetables are a panacea? Might want to do some research on that.

 

Once you get past societal programming and start looking at the REAL science (or often the lack of science) behind the human diet you will realize that much of what we are told is bogus.

 

There are 100s of compounds in vegetable and fruits that induce apoptosis and kill cancer. I do tons of research.

 

There are almost no compounds in meat that kill cancer. In fact, meat has tons of compounds that grow cancer. Like IGF-1.

 

Also, almost everyone I know that is on a carnivore diet became aggressive  and angry.. You yourself even seem a little angry..   

 

Maybe its not the carbs that are bad for you, but the high amount of chemicals they put in high carb foods and veggies.

 

One bad study on fiber doesnt negate all the good studies on fiber.

 

I do agree cholesterol isnt bad for you. Its a necessary nutrient.

 

 

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I removed carbs from my diet entirely as well as lowering my sugar intake drastically. The body doesn't need them as the body will create it's own glucose when needed. Aside from feeling generally better, the constant nausea is gone. Acid reflux is gone. I'm regular in the bathroom aside from when IBS decides to show up. In between doctor visits (6 weeks) I dropped 9 pounds without even exercising.

 

I can't even eat something heavy in carbs or sugar anymore as it literally makes me feel like crap. I drink a soda and that also ramps up the crappy feeling. Drinking nothing but water and coffee (decaffeinated) seems to have worked well for me. The worst problems I have now are smoking cigarettes and xanax. As soon as my doctor is ready I will start taking care of these issues as well. (Currently waiting on the SSRI to take full effect to reduce anxiety and depression while tapering).

 

This is what works for me, not going to say everyone would be the same.

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Ive read the study you linked, and it is a small, preliminary one. I think it would be more helpful if you told us your personal experience with this on a low-fiber diet.  Moreover, nowadays we are drowning in a sea of information, and you can find evidence, anecdotes and studies to back up any diet out there! 

 

I'm not on the carnivore diet but I have had zero problems with constipation on keto, and I do eat plenty of meat.

 

As far as "evidence" goes, a lot of this stuff is just starting to be studied so it is going to be awhile before we have that. Besides paying attention to the tons of anecdotal evidence I suggest that you look into the evidence that the fiber myth is based on.

 

We take for granted that all of this dietary wisdom is based on double blind controlled studies, but in many case nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of it is based on weak epidemiological studies. The don't lock people in a lab controlling thousands of people's diets for a year, they ask thousands of people questions about what they ate in the past year. I can't remember what I ate three days ago. Very poorly controlled.

 

Look into how the USDA food pyramid came about. You might be surprised to find out how much it has to do with politics, business and religion rather than actual science.

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There are 100s of compounds in vegetable and fruits that induce apoptosis and kill cancer. I do tons of research.

 

There are also a bunch of chemicals in plants that prevent us from properly digesting the nutrients we do ingest along with other problematic chemicals. There are tons and tons of plants that are flat out poisonous. Not so with meat. This is explained in the video I posted about starting at 10:13

 

Also, almost everyone I know that is on a carnivore diet became aggressive  and angry.. You yourself even seem a little angry..   

 

Nonsense.

 

Maybe its not the carbs that are bad for you, but the high amount of chemicals they put in high carb foods and veggies.

 

Carbs aren't necessarily "bad for you". Neither is an absence of carbs. You could go your entire life without eating a single carbohydrate and live just fine. Not so with fat and protein. The benefits and drawbacks to eating carbs is context dependent.

 

 

[[Fl...]]

BTW....the purpose of this post was not to promote a certain diet, it was to bring awareness to the fact that diet and many health issues are directly related, the dietary advice that most of us have been given is often not based on solid science, and that as people who have been egregiously harmed by the same system that promotes this dietary advice it would beehove us not to automatically dismiss unconventional dietary information just because it doesn't jive with what we have been taught our entire lives.

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There are 100s of compounds in vegetable and fruits that induce apoptosis and kill cancer. I do tons of research.

 

There are also a bunch of chemicals in plants that prevent us from properly digesting the nutrients we do ingest along with other problematic chemicals. There are tons and tons of plants that are flat out poisonous. Not so with meat. This is explained in the video I posted about starting at 10:13

 

Also, almost everyone I know that is on a carnivore diet became aggressive  and angry.. You yourself even seem a little angry..   

 

Nonsense.

 

Maybe its not the carbs that are bad for you, but the high amount of chemicals they put in high carb foods and veggies.

 

Carbs aren't necessarily "bad for you". Neither is an absence of carbs. You could go your entire life without eating a single carbohydrate and live just fine. Not so with fat and protein. The benefits and drawbacks to eating carbs is context dependent.

 

Its not Nonsense...

Joe Rogan said his carnivore diet is making him more agressive.

Ex UFC fighter Rashad Evans said since he went vegan, he has less anger and aggresion.

My 71 year old father said eating nothing but meat makes him angrier.

I notice when i tried the carnivore diet, all i wanted to do was have sex and punch people..

 

Not to mention all the studies that shows eating meat increases the risk for heart disease..

 

I notice you didnt even touch the fact that the IGF-1 and GH in meat increases cancer.

 

The compound that blocks nutrient absorbtion is called phyticacid and its found in seeds that were never ment to be eaten anyway. By the way, heat destroys these nutrient blocking compounds.

 

The poisonus plants were never ment to be consumed by humans either silly. Suggesting that is true nonsense.

 

1000s of studies showing plant compounds induce apoptosis...

How many studies showing meat induces apoptosis???

 

Now for the good stuff...

 

The longest living people in the world are from Okinawa. The main food of the Okinawan diet is.....

 

Wait for it....

 

PURPLE SWEET POTATO

 

They eat very little meat...

 

They eat a diet of mostly veggies and fruit...

 

 

So have fun eating all that meat. I hope you live a long and healthy life. Im done...

Peace

 

 

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I notice when i tried the carnivore diet, all i wanted to do was have sex and punch people..

 

I have been seen tons of material on the carnivore diet and this is the first time I have heard of it causing aggressiveness.

 

If your diet was heavy in phytoestrogens though I imagine it could be possible that it might take some time for your body to adjust to the the decrease in estrogens and possible increase in testosterone from a diet change.

 

Considering the disturbing fact that men today have much less testosterone than our forefathers did I can imagine the feeling that comes with having natural test levels could be seen as a bad thing.

 

Not to mention all the studies that shows eating meat increases the risk for heart disease.

 

If you want to stake your health on very poorly controlled epidemiological studies, be my guest. It is a lot more likely that chronic inflammation that is being caused by other foods (copious amounts of sugar, grains, seed oils) that are commonly consumed by heavy meat eaters is to blame.

 

The poisonus plants were never ment to be consumed by humans either silly. Suggesting that is true nonsense...

 

You missed the point. There is no such thing as a plant that is "meant" to be consumed by humans. The point is that there are toxic compounds in plants, even in some that we currently consume. There are no such compounds in meats. Humans didn't have to figure out which animal food is going to kill them or make them sick.

 

The longest living people in the world are from Okinawa. The main part of the Okinawan diet is.....

 

Wait for it....

 

PURPLE SWEET POTATO

 

Kinda like the Seventh Day Adventists. Sounds good but Mormons also live longer but they eat a lot of meat. What do they NOT do? They don't smoke, they don't drink, they have strong family and community ties....

 

 

People in Hong Kong live long lives eating a lot of meat. We can go back and forth on this all day long.

 

Nothing happens in a vacuum. You can't just single out one factor to make important health guidelines, yet that is exactly what is being done.

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I am somebody who has benefitted greatly from the keto diet.  I originally started it in 2013 or 14 in the early years of my withdrawal not because I thought it would improve my symptoms but because I was lifting heavy back then and I was doing a conventional bulk/cut cycle.  A lot of athletes will do a keto diet temporarily to trim down and then go back to their normal diet.

 

After about 6 weeks, I noticed an immense reduction in overall anxiety levels and an improvement in my GI health.  So I stuck with it all the way up to the point where I was feeling 85% healed or so.  And then I strayed from it because I missed eating all these foods that I loved.  I'm not saying that straying from the diet necessarily caused the massive wave that I'm still in 3.5 years later, but I'm sure it played a role. 

 

I'm now back on the keto diet.  I do what's called a cyclical keto diet (CKD).  One day a week, I eat a bunch of carbs and it elevates glucose levels which are then burned off in exercise over the next day or two and I remain in ketosis for the rest of the week.  I do honestly believe that it is helping me.

 

Also, I'm a bit disappointed in some of the statements in this thread.  Saying something meat related causes cancer is patently false.  There are no causation studies for meat and cancer or any anything else of the sort, only some correlational studies that are based on volunteered information which are unreliable due to relying on memory and participants telling the truth.  There is no singular type of cancer and no singular cause for cancer.  Much of the cancers that are prevalent in our species are due to environmental exposures to radiation, pollution, and toxic chemicals. 

 

Finally, there are entire societies that eat only meat such as the Eskimo and Inuit and they do not experience elevated cancer rates.  As a matter of fact, the overall health of these tribes declined when they were introduced to western diets.

 

 

 

 

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I am somebody who has benefitted greatly from the keto diet.

 

I just thought of another benefit of keto that I forgot to mention earlier.

 

I don't get hungry. At least not in the way that people eating an average carb heavy diet get hungry. I used to HAVE to eat every few hours, or at least a couple of times at the same time every day or I would get dizzy and irritable. Now if I get really busy the thought sometimes doesn't even cross my mind. It can be 8pm and I finally realize that I haven't eaten anything all day.

 

When you experience this it makes you realize that it probably isn't natural or at least it isn't good for you to be "addicted" to eating in that way. When your body gets used to burning fat for fuel instead of carbs you always have a source of fuel in the form of bodyfat so you never experience that blood sugar roller coaster that occurs when you are used to getting most of your calories from carbs.

 

Also, I'm a bit disappointed in some of the statements in this thread.  Saying something meat related causes cancer is patently false.  There are no causation studies for meat and cancer or any anything else of the sort, only some correlational studies that are based on volunteered information which are unreliable due to relying on memory and participants telling the truth.  There is no singular type of cancer and no singular cause for cancer.  Much of the cancers that are prevalent in our species are due to environmental exposures to radiation, pollution, and toxic chemicals. 

 

Finally, there are entire societies that eat only meat such as the Eskimo and Inuit and they do not experience elevated cancer rates.  As a matter of fact, the overall health of these tribes declined when they were introduced to western diets.

 

That was the whole point of this thread. We take for granted that the diet information we receive has been thoroughly researched but that often isn't the case. We can't afford to take anything at face value when it comes to our health.

[[do...]]

As someone who's 4.5 years off Klon and still ill, I believe my sickness is caused by autoimmune issues. I also became celiac after my benzo nightmare too. Everything is tied to by gut/intestines.

 

If there is a way out of this benzo mess, I'm convinced that the cure will be autoimmune related. That's just my hunch...

 

I basically eat meat, eggs, and select fruit and veg. My mind is clearer and my pain is much less. BUT, if I eat ONE thing wrong, even if it's a veg that I eat all the time but, say, a different brand with a different chemical or something... I'm bed bound again.

 

There's some connection here between benzo damage and autoimmune conditions. What?? Well, I wish I knew!!

 

Let's keep researching 

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There's some connection here between benzo damage and autoimmune conditions. What?? Well, I wish I knew!!

 

I don't think that our issues "morph" into autoimmune disease after a certain point but the more I learn about all of this the more I realize that there has to be some kind of connection. There are just too many similarities between benzo damage and MS, lupus, fibro, etc to write it off as a coincidence.

 

Changing my diet DID cure the one true autoimmune issue I had- eczema. The internet is littered with the stories of tons and tons of other people who have made huge improvements to their health with diet changes as well. I just wish that it was that simple with the benzo thing.

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There's some connection here between benzo damage and autoimmune conditions. What?? Well, I wish I knew!!

 

I don't think that our issues "morph" into autoimmune disease after a certain point but the more I learn about all of this the more I realize that there has to be some kind of connection. There are just too many similarities between benzo damage and MS, lupus, fibro, etc to write it off as a coincidence.

 

Changing my diet DID cure the one true autoimmune issue I had- eczema. The internet is littered with the stories of tons and tons of other people who have made huge improvements to their health with diet changes as well. I just wish that it was that simple with the benzo thing.

 

Yes that's true too...

 

I can lessen my symptoms by regulating my diet. But, then again, I'm still quite sick at 4.5 years so... It's no cure.

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Speaking of how much of our dietary guidelines are based on weak epidemiological studies, here is a video by Dr. Paul Saladino that explains how poor this "science" really is-

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More information from a doctor about poor epidemiological studies and nutrition-

 

https://peterattiamd.com/is-red-meat-killing-us/

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so many things can cause autoimmune diseases  :'( 

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/autoimmune-disease-and-stress-is-there-a-link-2018071114230