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Tapering from .5 MG Klonopin


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All I have been on Klonopin for ~18 years.  I am currently on .5 MG a day.  (.25 x 2 a day).

 

I tried to use diazepam to taper per the ashton manual before but I re-instated last year.  I am committed to get off this stuff now and I am looking for advice for the "Smoothest" experience coming off.  (I super scared but it is time!!)  Any help would be appreciated or related success stories.

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I couldn't handle the valium either. 

 

I'm on the daily liquid micro taper and it's working well, I think.  Some like to dry cut.  And, I too, was very scared about it but once you get going, the fear subsides.

 

Check out the link below.  Also, builder, one of the buddies, I'm sure will post and help you.  He's a whiz at all this stuff.

 

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/

 

If you do try to plan a taper via the above link, be sure to submit twice as sometimes, the first submission isn't correct.  There's a glitch of some sort, apparently.

 

Congratulations in joining the rest of us in getting off this poison.  :)

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All I have been on Klonopin for ~18 years.  I am currently on .5 MG a day.  (.25 x 2 a day).

 

I tried to use diazepam to taper per the ashton manual before but I re-instated last year.  I am committed to get off this stuff now and I am looking for advice for the "Smoothest" experience coming off.  (I super scared but it is time!!)  Any help would be appreciated or related success stories.

If it were me I would convert over to four .125 Klonopin dissolving tablets which would equal .5 Then I would get a Gemini scale off Amazon and start by shaving off only one of the four pills. Take two in the morning and two in the evening.

Just to give you an idea of the math and going by weight. Each .125 Klonopin tablet will weigh about 200mg. So 4x200 = 800 To reduce 15% in a month (which is a decent rate though you may be able to reduce faster or need to go slower) you would multiply 800 x .85 = 680. Then 800 - 680 = 120mg reduction in a month. Then 120/30=4. So you want to reduce by 4mg of weight per day for 30 days. This isn't perfect as you will taper faster in relation to the total dose towards the end of the month but you can start out by reducing by 5mg a day at first, 4mg during the middle and 3mg towards the end, just so you have reduced by 120mg in 30 days. Then your next month would be 680x.85=x and do the math based on that total number. You can also do this equation weekly or even daily if you want to smooth out the taper even more.

 

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Hello, Osu2001.  Thank you for sharing your approach with Falcorpilot.  Given that the 0.125mg ODTs are the lowest available dose of prescription clonazepam available here in the U.S., it is very helpful to learn about strategies for using them to taper.

 

Would you be willing to answer a few more questions that would benefit Falcorpilot as well as other Buddies who may be interested in using ODTs? The questions are:

 

(1) The brandname Klonopin ODTs were discontinued a while back here in the U.S.  What generic ODT were you using?  Barr (now Teva), Par (now Endo) - or one of the two newer ones - Sun or Alembic?  (The Barr and Par ODTs are made using a different manufacturing process than the Sun and Alembic ODTs so the characteristics of the tablets are different.  For example, the Sun and Alembic ODTs are harder and can withstand being packaged in regular pill bottles whereas the Barr and Parr ODTs require blister packs.)

 

(2) What tool(s) did you use to shave the ODTs?  Do you have any tips for Buddies on how to do this?

 

(3) The drug info pamphlets for the Barr/Teva and Par/Endo ODTs include cautions about not exposing the ODTs to liquid or air before ingestion.  Did you take any special precautions to minimize the amount of time the ODTs were exposed to liquid/air during shaving/weighing?  During storage?

 

 

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Hello, Osu2001.  Thank you for sharing your approach with Falcorpilot.  Given that the 0.125mg ODTs are the lowest available dose of prescription clonazepam available here in the U.S., it is very helpful to learn about strategies for using them to taper.

 

Would you be willing to answer a few more questions that would benefit Falcorpilot as well as other Buddies who may be interested in using ODTs? The questions are:

 

(1) The brandname Klonopin ODTs were discontinued a while back here in the U.S.  What generic ODT were you using?  Barr (now Teva), Par (now Endo) - or one of the two newer ones - Sun or Alembic?  (The Barr and Par ODTs are made using a different manufacturing process than the Sun and Alembic ODTs so the characteristics of the tablets are different.  For example, the Sun and Alembic ODTs are harder and can withstand being packaged in regular pill bottles whereas the Barr and Parr ODTs require blister packs.)

 

(2) What tool(s) did you use to shave the ODTs?  Do you have any tips for Buddies on how to do this?

 

(3) The drug info pamphlets for the Barr/Teva and Par/Endo ODTs include cautions about not exposing the ODTs to liquid or air before ingestion.  Did you take any special precautions to minimize the amount of time the ODTs were exposed to liquid/air during shaving/weighing?  During storage?

I'm more than happy to answer those questions. I'm about to go to sleep for the night but tomorrow I will take some time and explain everything and get the brand name of the ODTs. But the quick answer on storage is they just sit in a pill bottle until I use them.

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I'm more than happy to answer those questions. I'm about to go to sleep for the night but tomorrow I will take some time and explain everything and get the brand name of the ODTs. But the quick answer on storage is they just sit in a pill bottle until I use them.

Thank you so much, Osu!  I’ve just learned about another Buddie who is getting ready to use ODTs so your answers will help her as well as the OP (original poster).

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Hello, Osu2001.  Thank you for sharing your approach with Falcorpilot.  Given that the 0.125mg ODTs are the lowest available dose of prescription clonazepam available here in the U.S., it is very helpful to learn about strategies for using them to taper.

 

Would you be willing to answer a few more questions that would benefit Falcorpilot as well as other Buddies who may be interested in using ODTs? The questions are:

 

(1) The brandname Klonopin ODTs were discontinued a while back here in the U.S.  What generic ODT were you using?  Barr (now Teva), Par (now Endo) - or one of the two newer ones - Sun or Alembic?  (The Barr and Par ODTs are made using a different manufacturing process than the Sun and Alembic ODTs so the characteristics of the tablets are different.  For example, the Sun and Alembic ODTs are harder and can withstand being packaged in regular pill bottles whereas the Barr and Parr ODTs require blister packs.)

 

(2) What tool(s) did you use to shave the ODTs?  Do you have any tips for Buddies on how to do this?

 

(3) The drug info pamphlets for the Barr/Teva and Par/Endo ODTs include cautions about not exposing the ODTs to liquid or air before ingestion.  Did you take any special precautions to minimize the amount of time the ODTs were exposed to liquid/air during shaving/weighing?  During storage?

1. They are Sun Pharma

2. I use an Emery board and a Gemini scale.

3. No issues with storage. They just sit in the pill bottle until I use them.

I will make a video but hopefully my explanation can help anyone understand how I'm doing my taper.

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I thought ODT were not meant to be cut and that the drug wasn’t distributed evenly throughout the pill? I could be wrong.

It's not, so that's why I recommend only shaving one of the pills at a time as you reduce.

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1. They are Sun Pharma

2. I use an Emery board and a Gemini scale.

3. No issues with storage. They just sit in the pill bottle until I use them.

I will make a video but hopefully my explanation can help anyone understand how I'm doing my taper.

Thank you so much Osu!

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1. They are Sun Pharma

2. I use an Emery board and a Gemini scale.

3. No issues with storage. They just sit in the pill bottle until I use them.

I will make a video but hopefully my explanation can help anyone understand how I'm doing my taper.

Thank you so much Osu!

No problem! 👍

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I am desiring to come off .5 klonopin as well after 20 years.  Was thinking of a compounding pharmacist. How much of a reduction to start?  Want to go very slow.  Still feeling effects of REmeron withdrawal in June.  Thank you!
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I thought ODT were not meant to be cut and that the drug wasn’t distributed evenly throughout the pill? I could be wrong.

It's not, so that's why I recommend only shaving one of the pills at a time as you reduce.

 

The active ingredient is NOT uniformly distributed in tablets, either!

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I used the following to taper from 0.5mG. Hope this helps.

I tapered from 4mg (taken at night for sleep) over 11 months. I started out cutting taps which was good until I hit a point where w/d symptoms hit me. That occurred around 2mg. I held here for a couple of weeks to regroup and make a plan. Found the liquid titration here on BB.

 

I was taking 2-2mg tablets. Like I said I used pill cutter to where I was down to one about 1mg. If I was doing it again I would have used the liquid titration method the whole way. You are so right to go slow but its not necessary to go tooo slow, you will figure out where that point is.

 

I went back to the dr. that prescribed this poison to me and got my script to 0.5mg tab. Here is how I did the titration but you will need some tools.

 

1. pill crusher (any drugstore)

2. a glass measured beaker (20ml  from Amazon)

3. needless syringe (20ml from Amazon)

4. small container with sealed lid (Tupperware)

 

How to:

a. crush pill finely

b. dumb into Tupperware container

c. measure 20 of milk (or orange juice, I used whole milk as suggested to me)

d. pour milk into Tupperware, secure with lid, shake well

 

This part may seem confusing but it is easy, really. (this is my example)

 

1: I had a 20ml mixture of 0.5mg clonazepam/milk or 0.5/20 = 0.025 mg/ml. Just divide the pill size by the milliliters of milk.

2: Decide how fast you want to taper. In this example I did 1 ml every 5 days. You don't get that drop every 2 weeks, its a steady taper.

3: I would drop 1ml every 5 days for (5 * 0.025 =0.125 mg) Use syringe to pull out 20ml of mixture. (you have your full dose in milk now)

4: Push 1ml out of syringe into trash (never down the sink). You have 19ml left in syringe. This is your dose to take, squirt into mouth.

5: clean up

 

It is easy once you do it a couple of times. You can adjust based on your circumstances.

 

Lets say in your case. You could use 20ml beaker and syringe for 0.5mg of clonazepam, three times a day

 

- crush 0.5 mg

- measure milk in 20ml beaker

- mix in container, shake well

- your now have 0.5mg/20ml OR 0.025 mg/ 1 mL

- fill syringe to full 20mg

- squirt out 1ml into trash leaving you with 19mL (you just tapered by 0.0.025mg)

- next day do 18 mL, etc. Write down you steps as you may forget

---- you can taper by going from 20ml to 19.8 mL on a daily basis using the graduations on the syinge. I did this

- empty the remaining 19ml into mouth with the syringe

 

sounds more difficult than it is but you will get the hang of it......I am sure you will have other methods bu this worked great for me, my jump was totally uneventful. And after about a 6 weeks I was feeling better and now I am out 5 1/2 months and pretty good. I am figuring out what causes me not to sleep. If I sleep I am great the next day. It was beers and sodas for me.

 

This is more accurate than crushing and measuring pills IMO

 

Stone

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All I have been on Klonopin for ~18 years.  I am currently on .5 MG a day.  (.25 x 2 a day).

 

I tried to use diazepam to taper per the ashton manual before but I re-instated last year.  I am committed to get off this stuff now and I am looking for advice for the "Smoothest" experience coming off.  (I super scared but it is time!!)  Any help would be appreciated or related success stories.

If it were me I would convert over to four .125 Klonopin dissolving tablets which would equal .5 Then I would get a Gemini scale off Amazon and start by shaving off only one of the four pills. Take two in the morning and two in the evening.

Just to give you an idea of the math and going by weight. Each .125 Klonopin tablet will weigh about 200mg. So 4x200 = 800 To reduce 15% in a month (which is a decent rate though you may be able to reduce faster or need to go slower) you would multiply 800 x .85 = 680. Then 800 - 680 = 120mg reduction in a month. Then 120/30=4. So you want to reduce by 4mg of weight per day for 30 days. This isn't perfect as you will taper faster in relation to the total dose towards the end of the month but you can start out by reducing by 5mg a day at first, 4mg during the middle and 3mg towards the end, just so you have reduced by 120mg in 30 days. Then your next month would be 680x.85=x and do the math based on that total number. You can also do this equation weekly or even daily if you want to smooth out the taper even more.

 

Just stopped by from my own experience. You can’t shave a wafer. It will crumble.

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