Local news story from Providence, Rhode Island

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"War on Opioids: The next big drug crisis?"

 

https://turnto10.com/news/war-on-opioids/war-on-opioids-the-next-big-drug-crisis

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I appreciate so much that word is getting out about benzos!!

 

But I am concerned about these statements:

Doctors said the pills are safe when taken as prescribed, but when people get addicted the recovery is difficult.

 

"It is dangerous to withdraw from them, so just to stop using them is not particularly wise. You need to be medically monitored," Potter said.

 

"Some people are going to have to do it inside of a hospital. They're not going to really be able to do that on their own," Miller said.

 

The medical study found there are surprisingly few guidelines for benzos, so if you have any concerns it's best to have an honest conversation with your doctor.

 

The pills are NOT safe for a sizable minority of us when taken as prescribed. Let's wipe that off the earth now. I took the pills "as needed," and what a statement that turned out to be. Many others take them as prescribed, and they're in the same situation. And ANYONE can become dependent. It's not just addicts who become dependent. Sure, most people, I keep hearing, have an easy time getting off benzos. But for those of us who don't, and it's a very sizable minority, that is a false statement.

 

Being medically monitored is like the blind leading the blind because doctors for the most part are clueless about helping people taper. And I know from experience that doctors have much faster rates of tapering, much too fast for a sensitive CNS. You can't trust doctors to give you the proper guidelines that would help you.

 

A hospital or rehab certainly would not be good. Again, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

 

And many of us have tried being honest with a doctor and where did that get us? Talking to a doctor might as well be similar to talking to someone completely ignorant, I'm sorry to say. They just don't know much of anything about benzos for the most part.

 

I'm sorry, seltzerer, but these things have to be cleared up. There's all kinds of talk about benzos, but there is also wrong information that's circulated which could damage a patient further.

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I'm sorry, seltzerer, but these things have to be cleared up. There's all kinds of talk about benzos, but there is also wrong information that's circulated which could damage a patient further.

 

I think you have some legitimate concerns, Terry.  Let me ask you, would you say this story as it is, is part of the problem or part of the solution?

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I feel that all this doctor does is use a good scapegoating word... “addiction” for all minds to receive and misinterpret so that the subject of dependency can be fully avoided, so that professional accountability and responsibility for truly helpful and effective solutions is completely avoided.

 

An honest conversation with my doctor... hmmm, mmmkay This doctor who quickly spits out two completely unhelpful pieces of advice simultaneously injects a sense of an emotionally energetic fear/danger/urgency and suggests that patients be hospitalized while they taper? Wow, ok, that could be a really long time—unless of course what she means by this is essentially a detox center approach of ripping someone off in mere weeks. Who is going to pay for it and what will happen when the patient has to leave their life in order to do this? What hospital will do this when this is supposedly the next epidemic yet the medical profession continually claims to all of us that what we go through is “not possible,” and all the other scientific phrases they use with nothing to back them up but a degree on the wall. No actual facts, science, explanation, compassion, real statistics or understanding whatsoever.

 

They report that 1/3 of all opioid deaths are a result of the combination of these and bzds, and present no further exploration or examination of this.

 

Scary facts are thrown out there with the propaganda language of addiction and the supposition that there is any way to have a truly honest conversation with any doctor.

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I'm sorry, seltzerer, but these things have to be cleared up. There's all kinds of talk about benzos, but there is also wrong information that's circulated which could damage a patient further.

 

I think you have some legitimate concerns, Terry.  Let me ask you, would you say this story as it is, is part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

I don't know what to think, seltzerer. These people mean well, I know that. But the wrong information keeps passing around. I don't want any benzo person thinking that they're going to be okay if they just take the benzo as prescribed. I'd hate to have them go to rehab. And I certainly think talking honestly to a doctor is risky because a doctor might tell them to just quit the benzo or want them to do a fast taper. I don't know. Sorry.

 

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I'm sorry, seltzerer, but these things have to be cleared up. There's all kinds of talk about benzos, but there is also wrong information that's circulated which could damage a patient further.

 

I think you have some legitimate concerns, Terry.  Let me ask you, would you say this story as it is, is part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

I don't know what to think, seltzerer. These people mean well, I know that. But the wrong information keeps passing around. I don't want any benzo person thinking that they're going to be okay if they just take the benzo as prescribed. I'd hate to have them go to rehab. And I certainly think talking honestly to a doctor is risky because a doctor might tell them to just quit the benzo or want them to do a fast taper. I don't know. Sorry.

 

I agree with just about all of this, Terry.  I think there are doctors who will work with patients on a slow taper though.  It can be risky for sure but I think the alternative of turning your back on any doctor is riskier.

Interviewing them about their willingness and looking for the best one is the best approach.  There are no good answers though if you can't find one and therefore it's best to prepare as best you can (stockpile medication if you need to taper yourself) and prevent a terrible taper as best you can.

 

I am somewhat encouraged though, when I see a doctor speak out about the dangers and difficulties of getting off the medication.

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I feel that all this doctor does is use a good scapegoating word... “addiction” for all minds to receive and misinterpret so that the subject of dependency can be fully avoided, so that professional accountability and responsibility for truly helpful and effective solutions is completely avoided.

 

An honest conversation with my doctor... hmmm, mmmkay This doctor who quickly spits out two completely unhelpful pieces of advice simultaneously injects a sense of an emotionally energetic fear/danger/urgency and suggests that patients be hospitalized while they taper? Wow, ok, that could be a really long time—unless of course what she means by this is essentially a detox center approach of ripping someone off in mere weeks. Who is going to pay for it and what will happen when the patient has to leave their life in order to do this? What hospital will do this when this is supposedly the next epidemic yet the medical profession continually claims to all of us that what we go through is “not possible,” and all the other scientific phrases they use with nothing to back them up but a degree on the wall. No actual facts, science, explanation, compassion, real statistics or understanding whatsoever.

 

They report that 1/3 of all opioid deaths are a result of the combination of these and bzds, and present no further exploration or examination of this.

 

Scary facts are thrown out there with the propaganda language of addiction and the supposition that there is any way to have a truly honest conversation with any doctor.

 

What is the goal here?  What is your purpose for posting this?

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Good post, mon pilote!!

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Thank you Terry, I always watch for what you are saying too, had you not posted such an excellent response I would not have had the heart.

 

You are one strong, resilient, beautiful person.

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Thank you Terry, I always watch for what you are saying too, had you not posted such an excellent response I would not have had the heart.

 

You are one strong, resilient, beautiful person.

 

Oh, THANK YOU, mon pilote!!! 

 

I SAY THE SAME FOR YOU ALSO!!! 

 

We who go through this experience ought to be given a medal of courage, faith, devotion, resilience, strength, and the absolute will power it takes to go through each day - and should very rightfully be acknowledged by all. But sadly, we aren't. We quietly go through our inner turmoils, fears, aching, pain, and not wanting to live through this anymore, and no one on the outside knows what absolute HELL we've all been through. But somehow the body keeps healing.

 

I just shake my head in wonder how we all get through this SO, SO DIFFICULT TIME.

 

You are a strong, resilient, beautiful person, too, and don't ever discount your many gifts in life!!!

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I feel that all this doctor does is use a good scapegoating word... “addiction” for all minds to receive and misinterpret so that the subject of dependency can be fully avoided, so that professional accountability and responsibility for truly helpful and effective solutions is completely avoided.

 

An honest conversation with my doctor... hmmm, mmmkay This doctor who quickly spits out two completely unhelpful pieces of advice simultaneously injects a sense of an emotionally energetic fear/danger/urgency and suggests that patients be hospitalized while they taper? Wow, ok, that could be a really long time—unless of course what she means by this is essentially a detox center approach of ripping someone off in mere weeks. Who is going to pay for it and what will happen when the patient has to leave their life in order to do this? What hospital will do this when this is supposedly the next epidemic yet the medical profession continually claims to all of us that what we go through is “not possible,” and all the other scientific phrases they use with nothing to back them up but a degree on the wall. No actual facts, science, explanation, compassion, real statistics or understanding whatsoever.

 

They report that 1/3 of all opioid deaths are a result of the combination of these and bzds, and present no further exploration or examination of this.

 

Scary facts are thrown out there with the propaganda language of addiction and the supposition that there is any way to have a truly honest conversation with any doctor.

 

What is the goal here?  What is your purpose for posting this?

 

I am wondering the same about the exact purpose of pieces like these and what point they really are trying to make, if any.

 

Why did this doctor not mention Heather Ashton?

 

Why...why...why? I can come up with a very long list of perfectly relevant questions myself.

 

I think I made it clear that I feel these pieces are actually damaging to us before, but what is the truth about why these are so few and far between and basically all say the same damaging things with the possible exception that they are covering it at all?

 

Please, enlighten me. What is the point of sharing?

 

How many posts are there in total on this website?

 

How many years have these drugs been on the market?

 

Anyone???

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The real point of my post is to emphasize the major issues and serious problems I see with pieces like these and to come to a better understanding of how this can be solved so that there is real help available for those who’ve been harmed, and so that this injury stops happening to others at the hands of doctors or even for those who decide to use “recreationally.” If we are at cross purposes I will simply avoid returning.

 

I am genuinely curious about why the points other members bring up about them don’t seem relatable or even relevant and how we can solve these if they are left unaddressed.

 

Because Terry did give an great response in my opinion, I felt moved to try with these things one last time.

 

I was pleased to see the post, I was hoping these feelings and thoughts would be expressed by other members calmly so that I would have stayed completely out of it. It seems that was already a potential before I inserted myself. My apologies. However, my life has been significantly impacted, i felt something and then I sunk my teeth in.

 

I was not trying to ruin your day or sink my teeth in and take a chomp out of your peace and happiness... but you see my heart is broken.

 

My point is to say I am here and I am a thinker and I am going to analyze and attack this. That is my masculine saying “Hell no.”

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There seems to be no respect for Dr. Ashton in the medical community, mon pilote, and that is a damned shame. Drew's doctor even went so far as to call her an "old bag" if I remember it correctly. That angers me a GREAT DEAL.

 

There is going to be a lot of incorrect information circulating out there until someone sets the writers straight. And I don't know when that will be. Luckily we have the Benzo Coalition and other groups who are speaking up as a body in order to change people's minds.

 

I tend to think that until someone gets it right I'm going to keep pointing out the things that ARE NOT right. We can't let this go. I will applaud the one good thing and then comment on the rest and discuss what I see is wrong with it.

 

 

 

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I’m sorry, I apologize. I mean that... thank you for bringing it back to us to share seltzerer. Hope you are alright and that you will forgive me again.

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I feel that all this doctor does is use a good scapegoating word... “addiction” for all minds to receive and misinterpret so that the subject of dependency can be fully avoided, so that professional accountability and responsibility for truly helpful and effective solutions is completely avoided.

 

An honest conversation with my doctor... hmmm, mmmkay This doctor who quickly spits out two completely unhelpful pieces of advice simultaneously injects a sense of an emotionally energetic fear/danger/urgency and suggests that patients be hospitalized while they taper? Wow, ok, that could be a really long time—unless of course what she means by this is essentially a detox center approach of ripping someone off in mere weeks. Who is going to pay for it and what will happen when the patient has to leave their life in order to do this? What hospital will do this when this is supposedly the next epidemic yet the medical profession continually claims to all of us that what we go through is “not possible,” and all the other scientific phrases they use with nothing to back them up but a degree on the wall. No actual facts, science, explanation, compassion, real statistics or understanding whatsoever.

 

They report that 1/3 of all opioid deaths are a result of the combination of these and bzds, and present no further exploration or examination of this.

 

Scary facts are thrown out there with the propaganda language of addiction and the supposition that there is any way to have a truly honest conversation with any doctor.

 

The real point of my post is to emphasize the major issues and serious problems I see with pieces like these and to come to a better understanding of how this can be solved so that there is real help available for those who’ve been harmed, and so that this injury stops happening to others at the hands of doctors or even for those who decide to use “recreationally.” If we are at cross purposes I will simply avoid returning.

 

I am genuinely curious about why the points other members bring up about them don’t seem relatable or even relevant and how we can solve these if they are left unaddressed.

 

Because Terry did give an great response in my opinion, I felt moved to try with these things one last time.

 

I was pleased to see the post, I was hoping these feelings and thoughts would be expressed by other members calmly so that I would have stayed completely out of it. It seems that was already a potential before I inserted myself. My apologies. However, my life has been significantly impacted, i felt something and then I sunk my teeth in.

 

I was not trying to ruin your day or sink my teeth in and take a chomp out of your peace and happiness... but you see my heart is broken.

 

My point is to say I am here and I am a thinker and I am going to analyze and attack this. That is my masculine saying “Hell no.”

 

What I notice is divisive and counter-productive language: doctors trying to "scapegoat" and "avoid" dependency language, professional accountability and responsibility.  This isn't "emphasiz[ing] the major issues and serious problems".  This is hate filled language.  You mock the story and the doctor and then target the entire medical profession.  While I understand the distrust based on what's happened to many of us, I don't see a reason for this language.  I've been through this hell and I have every bit of a voice as anyone else here and there's really no justification for it.

 

I was going to write more but there are a lot of issues all over your posts and it's not something I want to pull apart and counter.  I would be up all night and I need rest soon.  You don't have to apologize to me.

 

The other thing is the hatred directed towards other BB members.  Seriously, the language you use is quite biting and I believe that's your intention to use it.  I can't help but think you're in a lot of emotional pain and you want others to know about it, respond to it and fuel it.  But really it's concerning more than anything.  This is a place to get support and help each other.  The vitriol is poison.

 

I don't endorse the stuff that I post.  I do it more for information sharing and discussion and to get members' views.  I think Terry often targets me for the content but it's not my content and I won't try to defend it.  I do have personal positions though that relate and that I will defend but oftentimes, threads are derailed and blown up so there's never much real discussion that happens.

 

I think if you want to do more of the stuff to help people here, it's not to keep spreading the hate filled language.  It's to stop it.

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The difference between my rage is that it is obvious when it happens, and it happens as a result in particular here as a counter to all the passive-aggressive rage and hate that this forum is covered in, and it happens when I see a person (self-included,) or a group of people or other life forms being kicked hard at their weakest points unprovoked.

 

It is not to stir anything, not now. It comes from a lot of pain, you are correct.

 

Also, no, I actually do not hate doctors. I hate the system and that is what I have targeted, primarily. And yes it is incredible that anyone can just go unchecked and knock everyone else the hell around passively or do the crud that they do and people sit silent while they are derided passively into oblivion and bullied on here.

 

I probably don’t need to pull it apart and pick all the forms of marginalization which happen almost without pause, cause I’m done anyway. It harms people severely and often they don’t have a voice.

 

Maybe that is how I feel about doctors, they do have a voice and yet here we are... decades and decades later and now bzd rx’s have doubled in the years I and others have been in nightmarish pain in which some of us are fighting as hard as we can daily, just to stay alive.

 

Hatred at injustice, sure. Real hatred toward anyone here? No, absolutely not.

 

People like one I called out recently display damn creepy behavior and it gushes out of them so so consistently for months or years or whatever. They influence, harm and silence people and they are skillful and crafty at it and they get away with it. Me? My cards are on the table and I am not filled with hate.

 

Yes, I am struggling and yes I am in a ton of pain. If you refuse to see how you throw salt in wounds here and don’t really do it tactfully yourself sometimes, you may start to realize how a lot of what you wrote to me actually applies to yourself.

 

Yes, I did need to apologize. That was my free will and my decision to make and I am going to stick with that.

 

I’m sorry to myself, too, and to everyone else. I’m sorry for everything because I don’t think that it is appropriate either.

 

If you can’t accept anything I’m saying or don’t care to see then that is alright.

 

I am trying desperately hard not to bury resentment at the terrible hate filled language which is carefully disguised here especially. That’s the difference, I am earnestly trying...

 

Do you not have one, several, or many things you do that you say you won’t and then try to figure out how not to before things get worse but you fall back into that/those things again and again. Just because it takes different forms does not make anyone any better than the next who has had a different problem or makes a different mistake.

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I'm not targeting you, seltzerer. I'm targeting the writing. I answered another post that was similar to yours the same way. If you have comments about something you've posted, let us know.

 

We have to set the benzo record straight. It's important, because there are too many people who have died, who have suffered too much, and who have wasted a lot of their lives just trying to get through this horrible scourge. Financials in ruins, etc. Doctors cannot be telling patients it's okay to just stop taking the drug or refuse to give another prescription or think that just because a person isn't an addict, they'll do fine on benzos. I could go on and on, but you understand the message.

 

And yes, if anyone posts something that I see is a red flag, I'm going to say something about the writing because letting it go is not serving anyone.

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I also was not actually targeting you either, it was the wrong way but it was the writing and it does suck and it is killing people.

 

I have targeted an individual specifically before, yes. But over five years here it is the exception and not the rule and I have a good memeory and I remember doing it about four times. The last one who targets me does it before I say a word.

 

I won’t do it again.

 

Anger at injustice is not evil.

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The difference between my rage is that it is obvious when it happens, and it happens as a result in particular here as a counter to all the passive-aggressive rage and hate that this forum is covered in, and it happens when I see a person (self-included,) or a group of people or other life forms being kicked hard at their weakest points unprovoked.

 

It is not to stir anything, not now. It comes from a lot of pain, you are correct.

 

Also, no, I actually do not hate doctors. I hate the system and that is what I have targeted, primarily. And yes it is incredible that anyone can just go unchecked and knock everyone else the hell around passively or do the crud that they do and people sit silent while they are derided passively into oblivion and bullied on here.

 

I probably don’t need to pull it apart and pick all the forms of marginalization which happen almost without pause, cause I’m done anyway. It harms people severely and often they don’t have a voice.

 

Maybe that is how I feel about doctors, they do have a voice and yet here we are... decades and decades later and now bzd rx’s have doubled in the years I and others have been in nightmarish pain in which some of us are fighting as hard as we can daily, just to stay alive.

 

Hatred at injustice, sure. Real hatred toward anyone here? No, absolutely not.

 

People like one I called out recently display damn creepy behavior and it gushes out of them so so consistently for months or years or whatever. They influence, harm and silence people and they are skillful and crafty at it and they get away with it. Me? My cards are on the table and I am not filled with hate.

 

Yes, I am struggling and yes I am in a ton of pain. If you refuse to see how you throw salt in wounds here and don’t really do it tactfully yourself sometimes, you may start to realize how a lot of what you wrote to me actually applies to yourself.

 

Yes, I did need to apologize. That was my free will and my decision to make and I am going to stick with that.

 

I’m sorry to myself, too, and to everyone else. I’m sorry for everything because I don’t think that it is appropriate either.

 

If you can’t accept anything I’m saying or don’t care to see then that is alright.

 

I am trying desperately hard not to bury resentment at the terrible hate filled language which is carefully disguised here especially. That’s the difference, I am earnestly trying...

 

Do you not have one, several, or many things you do that you say you won’t and then try to figure out how not to before things get worse but you fall back into that/those things again and again. Just because it takes different forms does not make anyone any better than the next who has had a different problem or makes a different mistake.

 

I also was not actually targeting you either, it was the wrong way but it was the writing and it does suck and it is killing people.

 

I have targeted an individual specifically before, yes. But over five years here it is the exception and not the rule and I have a good memeory and I remember doing it about four times. The last one who targets me does it before I say a word.

 

I won’t do it again.

 

Anger at injustice is not evil.

 

I don’t know how else to tell you so it won’t get twisted. It’s really bad. Stop the hate. Try to heal your heart.

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I am, you do the same. If all of us were like Terry, myself and others about it all it wouldn’t happen anymore and then real prevention and help would be an actuality.

 

It’s not about anger for anger’s sake, it’s a proportional response.

 

It’s a healthy reaction to feel heartbroken.

 

It is not wrong to mourn, and to hunger and thirst for justice.

 

And I don’t hate anyone, I do not hate people and am not filled with hate. Hating evil is not wrong or unhealthy and my heart is no more damaged than anyone else’s, but to not have any feelings about it is something I can’t relate to and it actually feels wrong to me. It feels unhealthy in my gut and in my body to see almost a total non-reaction to it.

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Mon pilote

 

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No justice No peace

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cookienose

 

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Thank you, for everything.