Thinking of checking myself into hospital.

[[Ho...]]

Hi Guys,

 

I have been trying to taper since January.

 

For the past 5 days I have been on 0.95mg Clonazepam. (Down from 1mg). Using a Gem20 scale, dry cut.

 

Also, I have been jumping up and down on my dose (from January) to relieve symptoms which is not helpful in an effort to stabilise.

 

• On 1mg, I feel really sleepy, lapses in memory, and overmedicated.
  
• On 0.95 I feel i cant process intrusive thoughts and they keep me awake and wont sleep at all. But there is a small gap for me to remember things.
  

 

 

Also tapering down off an SSRI that is also a sedative (Clomipromine/Anafranil). Would preferably get off the Benzo and stay on the SRI because of lapses in concentration.

 

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I am thinking of checking myself into hospital as on 1mg K i unable to do much. Whatever my small goal is for the day sometimes i forget to do it.

 

On 0.95 I dont sleep and am up for nights.

 

Is it advisable to check myself into hospital and seek professional help? Or not.

 

 

Any help would be gladly taken.

Hoops88

[[Ca...]]

Hi,

Sorry your having a hard time... At a glance, I wonder if there might be room for a more structured taper, rather than going the way of what would probably be a CT or RT...?

 

But To address your Hospital Detox question, I would suggest doing a search on the topic for past threads too.. There have been hundreds, but there was a recent one, and I will drop a link if I find one...

 

I did a detox on another med, -It didnt go well and I reinstated 15months later...

 

But a few people find it a viable option for various reasons...  I would be very sure about it first though...

 

Best wishes...

[[co...]]

Here is a very good breakdown of why inpatient detox is a horrible idea for people with Benzos:

 

https://www.benzoinfo.com/2018/04/20/why-prescribed-benzo-patients-shouldnt-go-to-detox-or-rehab/

 

And a thread where it is discussed on this forum:  http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=223193.0

 

 

[[Ca...]]

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[[Fo...]]

Having been on anafranil for twenty years from 1976 I think for me it was a good drug at the time

BUT it is serotogenic and can make you quite anxious. So if you lost that one your trip to lower the Klon might be easier.

I have had 3 voluntary admissions....none helped

In the uk unless a danger to yourself or the public you won’t get a bed. Even paying would take weeks and the rapid detox they offer is now coming through as showing long term WD symptoms versus slow taper.

Glean as much as possible from posts following and don’t rush anywhere.

Best w

Dickie Forty

[[An...]]

I personally would not check myself into inpatient detox. They will snatch you off rapidly and you will suffer beyond your wildest imagination. BTDT in 2006! Use the Ashton protocol and continue to slowly taper yourself down to zero with the help of this group. IMO, that is what gives anyone who is struggling to come off these drugs the best chance at coming off and staying off and eventually recovering. It will not be easy but it is doable.

[[Le...]]

Listen to them/us.  Structured taper of Benzo first then think about the taping SSRI after a year without symptoms. 

[[Ho...]]

Thanks guys, after reading your messages I thought maybe better off to stay put as I will be experiencing withdrawal regardless. The slower way being less taxing on body and mind. 

[[Ca...]]

My best guess is you just did yourself a huge favour.. A slow taper using your SX as a guide mingt not be easy, but it will get you there (off med) in a much better position...

Were here to help if needed..

 

Best wishes..

[[jo...]]

Most will ct you. I thought about this at first until I checked into it. All said they would ct me and I would be there a week. Worthless. Most symptoms wouldn’t start until it was time to leave.

[[Ho...]]

Just want to ask a few questions and thanks for the feedback.

 

Having been on anafranil for twenty years from 1976 I think for me it was a good drug at the time

BUT it is serotogenic and can make you quite anxious. So if you lost that one your trip to lower the Klon might be easier.

I have had 3 voluntary admissions....none helped

In the uk unless a danger to yourself or the public you won’t get a bed. Even paying would take weeks and the rapid detox they offer is now coming through as showing long term WD symptoms versus slow taper.

Glean as much as possible from posts following and don’t rush anywhere.

Best w

Dickie Forty

 

Great that Anafranil worked for you. It is definitely no pushover drug and makes you tired. I agree that the Klon needs to go first and even previous doctor from hospital stated this when i checked out as I went in on 6mg K > 2.5 K Rapid taper it was horrible now that i recall it.

 

I am on a dose of close to 50mg anafranil. Do you think this is ok to stay on for now whilst tapering down from Clonazepam?

 

Question for everyone, I had been tapering both drugs at the same time. Dunno how i made it so far. But i think the time has come for me to stop as I am way to sensitive now. Is tapering one drug at a time the preferred method (can see my mind wants to race ahead and get it all done).

 

 

[[Fo...]]

Hi

This is just my view as some say get off the AD first but there are exceptions.

I think you view is wise.

Anafranil really is a drug of its own with tricyclics and SSRI properties. The weight gain and sexual side effects are a bummer. It kept me well for 20 years.

You are on 2.5 Klon which equals almost 40 of diazepam, so quite a lot.  Anafranil would help with the worst of the anxiety and panic in withdrawal and aid sleep.

We must not advise in place of your doctor who must make the decision with you. Mods rules apply!

As you say in your post - I might want to keep the Anafranil at 50 and try to get to one mg of K. ??

Twin reductions are not always best and BB folk advice against it.

When I stopped Anafranil it was very straight forward. I think I went 150/100/50/ 25/10 (for months)and then stopped it.

Best wishes

Dick

[[An...]]

Hoops, how are you doing?

[[Ho...]]

As you say in your post - I might want to keep the Anafranil at 50 and try to get to one mg of K. ??

 

Hi Forty, over the past year since my discharge, as of today i am currently at 0.95mg Clonazepam. It has taken me a year to get from 2.5mg > 0.95mg.

 

You are on 2.5 Klon which equals almost 40 of diazepam, so quite a lot.  Anafranil would help with the worst of the anxiety and panic in withdrawal and aid sleep.

 

Doctor at hospital wants to put me on roughly 10mg Diazepam. What's your experience of Diazepam or its all same sh*t.

 

When I stopped Anafranil it was very straight forward. I think I went 150/100/50/ 25/10 (for months)and then stopped it.

 

Yes, that is how i got to 50mg.

 

Hoops, how are you doing?

 

Last week was on top of the world pushing myself to go out and "do things". This week a bit under the whether. I am really stuck in my head and overthinking things and repetitive thoughts, sometimes i am constantly trying to work them out which is a mistake. I am making sure to go for a run each day though even though I feel to sleep during day.

 

I am finding ways where I can be doing more as to keep myself distracted. Thanks for asking, it aint easy and hospital is an option if i need it I do remind myself if all else fails.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[[Fo...]]

My apologies Hoops

I must have read the signature wrong.

Only 0.95 of Klon. That is amazing. And equivalent to 14 of Diaz so show the doctor the benzo converter or you could liquid taper the Klon. I am really impressed.

If it were me I would get off the benzos, stabilise and see how you feel generally.

Sorry about the mix up. I think the SSRI bit of clomipramine is keeping you steady.

Very best

Dickie

[[ke...]]

I detoxed off K after a few years of failed crossovers and taper attempts. It worked for me, but I was at excellent psych facility (Johns Hopkins) and there was other pharma and cognitive support. Inpatient detox off benzos can be ineffective if done by amateurs.