started a milk micro taper tiny cuts and feeling sick. Am I going too fast,

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Hi every one. I have started a DLMT with milk in the last week, I started at 2mg Valium, which I have been holding at for 6 weeks, and getting no better.

I have been tapering down by 0.01mg Valium per day for 6 days, now on day 7, which is a reduction of 1ml per day from 100ml=1mg.

I am feeling so sickly today. My taper from 4 mgs has not been good, and has taken me a long time to reduce from 4mgs to 2mgs Valium, and holding has not helped having tried it more than once, so this seems the best option to continue.

I always have severe anxiety and fear and have no appetite at all but  today I am feeling really sick. I wondered if I am going too fast or if the milk is upsetting me.

I need to be off Valium as I have never been well on it. I am bed bound and agoraphobic since being on it. It has only hurt me and never helped my initial anxiety problems so I do have to get off it. Do you think my cut is too fast ? Should I hold or do you think it might just be that today is a bad day. I so want to be off this drug. I was going to cut to 1.9mgs which would be on day 10, then hold . Any advice please , Feeling so off today. It could of course be just my over imagination, and fear of tapering  getting in the way .

Thank you for any help you can give this oldie who wants a little bit of life back outside of this bedroom, Not so many years left in me

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Hi Chin,

 

I know you have struggled with the hold and starting the taper.

 

I don't know anything about the milk titration method so hopefully someone can chime in.

 

This sounds like a wave to me. I know there are good days/hours during a taper and then also hard ones and you are in a hard place. As I have said before, the only way off Valium is to taper so I think you should set a taper place that is most comfortable for you and stick with it...it can be as slow as you want. No one is the same and some people can go faster than others - just go at the speed you can handle.

 

Being stuck in bed is not fun. When I feel that way, I truly force myself to get outside and I exercise as much as I can...don't overdue it but try and get outside and get fresh air and some sun.

 

Hoping things improve for you.

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Thank you Pete,

It kind of you to reply. I am trying to calm myself a bit as I dread the thought of the sickness returning. It may well be a wave, or it could be that I am on day 7 which is I guess when withdrawal is felt from a Valium cut, so this might be from my first cut after a six week hold or from the new way of taking it with milk which I haven't drunk in many months. I hope it passes because it is really important that I can eat . My weight is low and I have none to spare now.

I hope this eases off. It might just be the adjustment to liquid. I only know I am feeling so awful today, and don't know if it's best to hold much as I hate to. I have to go with what my body tells me, unless this is just fear and then well what do you do.

I wonder have others felt a reaction to milk or any daily titration after a few days?

I am glad you are doing so well and thank you for your advice, It' good of you to respond.

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Oh that is such a touching  message. It's true that we both seem to be going through a similar  struggle. I did not think I was tapering too fast, but being so sensitive, whatever I do seems wrong. I can't risk going back to all the sickness again. I don't have an appetite but I have been able to eat and this has stopped the weight loss for now.

 

I am not sure if I should hold now or try to reach 10 days of tapering down to 1.9mg and then have a small rest, or whether to hold now. I am at a loss.

 

 

Because our symptoms are always there it's not easy to make a decision. I am truly hoping that the lower I get the better I feel, just I am struggling to find a way forward as I cannot seem to tolerate the liquid diazepam and water titration does not do the job, I cannot touch a drop of alcohol, so I am stuck with the milk or dry cutting and I cannot seem to get that right either.

 

 

So perhaps I should keep tapering do you think. I don't know. I wondered if this does happen the first week of liquid titration  when things get a little worse?

 

 

Maybe some body knows? 

 

 

I am so pleased to see your progress my friend. It's encouraging. I know we will do it , It's just such a tough journey, and we seem not to get a break.

 

 

Thank you for caring it means a lot to me

 

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Wow that's some eating. I do know that feeling though. It strikes me late at night and then it's none stop, anything I can get my hands on. However it really isn't a good time to eat. Perhaps you have hit another window which is brilliant news. Can you send one my way if there is any going spare.

maybe you have found the point where things are getting better for you. I am really glad the dry cutting is working for you. I could neve get my scales to read accurately enough, so will persevere with the milk. At least I will get a few extra calories. I haven't drunk cows milk for a long time, so it might just be causing a bit of reaction. who knows.

That's brilliant news about the appetite, and I am so glad your taper is progressing again. Lets hope you are on the right track now.

 

 

I'm not so good today but still moving down, then maybe another  small hold to be sure I am not going too fast.

 

 

I think it must take time to ajust to a daily liquid titration. I could not manage the Liquid diazepam either, at least not for micro tapering, so my hopes are pinned on milk,. On day 8 today

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh that is such a touching  message. It's true that we both seem to be going through a similar  struggle. I did not think I was tapering too fast, but being so sensitive, whatever I do seems wrong. I can't risk going back to all the sickness again. I don't have an appetite but I have been able to eat and this has stopped the weight loss for now.

 

I am not sure if I should hold now or try to reach 10 days of tapering down to 1.9mg and then have a small rest, or whether to hold now. I am at a loss.

 

 

Because our symptoms are always there it's not easy to make a decision. I am truly hoping that the lower I get the better I feel, just I am struggling to find a way forward as I cannot seem to tolerate the liquid diazepam and water titration does not do the job, I cannot touch a drop of alcohol, so I am stuck with the milk or dry cutting and I cannot seem to get that right either.

 

 

So perhaps I should keep tapering do you think. I don't know. I wondered if this does happen the first week of liquid titration  when things get a little worse?

 

 

Maybe some body knows? 

 

 

I am so pleased to see your progress my friend. It's encouraging. I know we will do it , It's just such a tough journey, and we seem not to get a break.

 

 

Thank you for caring it means a lot to me

 

I don't know much about milk tapers except I know you have to use full fat milk. I got super stuck on my dry K taper and ended up having to convert the rest of my Klonopin dose to liquid. I also had to dose 3 times a day. Even though K has a long half life, I was getting nasty breakthrough symptoms during the day. My sleep and nausea have improved again since my full liquid conversion and changing to 3 times daily dose. I don't drink alcohol AT ALL. It's against my religion, BUT I DO use the vodka/water solution. There is only such a microscopic amount of alcohol in it it's completely negligible. It dilutes well and distributes medication evenly in the water. Plus It keeps well for 2 weeks at room temp. It helps make your dosing very consistent and I only have to make a batch once a week or so. Builder helped me with my solution. I promise, the vodka is soooo small it's less than any cough medicine. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. You just need it to dissolve the Benzo. If not, you have to use Propylene Glycol which has laxative properties. Maybe message Builder about the vodka solution? I'm not sure if you do it the same with Valium and with Klonopin. I had bought a $400 gun powder scale and it still varies soooo much!!! I was cutting .001 only twice a week and became super sick again because scale was inconsistent. I'm doing better again on liquid and able to taper. My nervous system needs consistency because of previous kindling. I don't know how you split your doses either,  but I've heard Valium is a combo of 3 different drugs/metabolites and some of them wear off faster than others. For my K taper, going all liquid and changing To 3 daily doses helped me a ton. I'm so sensitive, I can only cut twice a week. I think daily tapers are too fast for me and many others, especially with long half life drugs because by the time you feel sick and realize you've gone too fast, you have to ride it out another 2 weeks anyway to let your CNS catch up. I do hope you feel better and find a way to get "unstuck" in your taper. My Current V equivalent of my K would be like 7.1mg V, so hats off to you for being much lower in taper than I am.  I have a long, slow way to go and I'm battling major pre-existing (prior to Benzos) GI issues too, along with trying to continue to work and support my family. These drugs are so evil. I feel your pain.

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I have read that more than a few people say that switching from dry cutting to liquid titration feel like a

"cut"... sometimes as much as 20%.  I have experienced the same thing. If  you have reached "tolerance"

to valium (like I did), then you probably won't get much relief from 2mg.  The only thing valium ever did for

me was eliminate inter-dose withdrawals. I hope it get better for you.... for us all .

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Thank you so much for your replies Fighterk  and Topofthebottom

It's kind of you to think of me

 

 

Fight  I really cannot use vodka as I react very baly to alcohol though I can see it is good way to make a solution.

 

Top  How areyou manageing ?  I feel so bad as it is, and valium is certainly doing nothing for me but making me ill. I need it gone but have to be sensible,

 

I do not know if I have reached tolerance or it's just that valium has never suited me and made me very ill. I am at loss what to do for the best,

 

 

I may have to taper fewer days with holds in between, but all the time I am on it, I am feeling worse and worse.

 

 

I will be glad to be free of it, but don't want to pay an even bigger price on the other side , just to be off.

 

 

Thank you again for caring

 

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Thank you so much for your replies Fighterk  and Topofthebottom

It's kind of you to think of me

 

 

Fight  I really cannot use vodka as I react very baly to alcohol though I can see it is good way to make a solution.

 

Top  How areyou manageing ?  I feel so bad as it is, and valium is certainly doing nothing for me but making me ill. I need it gone but have to be sensible,

 

I do not know if I have reached tolerance or it's just that valium has never suited me and made me very ill. I am at loss what to do for the best,

 

 

I may have to taper fewer days with holds in between, but all the time I am on it, I am feeling worse and worse.

 

 

I will be glad to be free of it, but don't want to pay an even bigger price on the other side , just to be off.

 

 

Thank you again for caring

 

Chin-If you are using a 100 ml solution, you would only need like 2ml of vodka  to dissolve 1 or 2 pills. I would check with Builder on this in case you do decide to go vodka route since he's the expert and could tell you how to dilute Valium, but if you had a solution that say was 2ml vodka, 98ml water, you can see how dilute the vodka really is. It's like hardly even there. Just wanted to let you know how tiny it is in case the milk thing doesn't work out for you. It's allowing my dosing to be so exact and consistent that I'm ending up with less problems than before. (Not that this is easy). Good luck to you sweetie.  :)I hope the consistency of liquid taper will help you. When I tried to dry cut, it was inconstent and I think it kindled me more.