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I'm now currently desperate for some kind of hospital admission.

I'm bed ridden on 20mgs valium a day (after a disastrous rapid taper against my will).

I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience tapering/withdrawing in a hospital environment?

Just throwing it out there - this is life or death here - and I simply cannot stay in the community as I'm far too sick...

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I did a 10 day stay at a detox/psych hospital. It was not a good experience for me. I couldn't sleep, and it was not the treatment I was expecting. However, in your car, you might want to give it a try. Different methods work for different people.
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I'm now currently desperate for some kind of hospital admission.

I'm bed ridden on 20mgs valium a day (after a disastrous rapid taper against my will).

I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience tapering/withdrawing in a hospital environment?

Just throwing it out there - this is life or death here - and I simply cannot stay in the community as I'm far too sick...

 

I'm thinking about doing that. What are your symptoms?

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I'm now currently desperate for some kind of hospital admission.

I'm bed ridden on 20mgs valium a day (after a disastrous rapid taper against my will).

I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience tapering/withdrawing in a hospital environment?

Just throwing it out there - this is life or death here - and I simply cannot stay in the community as I'm far too sick...

 

Hi,

 

I was hospital-detoxed in 4 days off xanax in 2009.  It was a dreadful experience, the symptoms were hellish and unrelenting, and I eventually reinstated.  In almost all cases they cold turkey you or taper you extremely fast, which amounts to the same thing as a c/t as far as the symptoms it produces.  I don't recommend it - tapering slowly at home is almost always preferable.

 

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I have cold turkey symptoms already

 

My doctor gave me bad advice to stay on the med longer after 9 days free. Now I feel worse everyday new symptoms. I'm bedridden. Wouldn't getting it out of my system be better? Tapering is making me sick because I'm in tolerance.

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Does anyone know what I should do?

 

Gabapentin and benadryl have been the only things that have helped my withdrawals. It doesn't eliminate them completely, but it helps a whole lot.

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I did two C/Ts at hospitals and one was supposed to be very fancy. Well, it was fancy if you were not being C/Ted. I would not wish that on my worst enemy. What I did was reinstate to another benzo and am doing a slow taper. It is working out well. But everyone is different. I hope you get well and best wishes. :smitten:

 

Betsy

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Does anyone know what I should do?

 

How long have you been at 20 mg?  The doctor should titrate you up on the Valium until you are out of tolerance.  It does not sound like the doctor titrated you up high enough.  I can say that the Ashton charts are pretty accurate, but it all comes down to how tolerant you are at the time of the crossover.    I did a crossover from lorazepam as well (horrible drug), and had to'go 20% above the conversion chart value to get out of tolerance.  I was then stabilized for about 3 weeks and then started a taper.  i did the crossover in 2 days.  Ashton sometimes does it much slower with a piecemeal substitution, but it all depends on the individual.  I really hope those reading this post don't do rapid detox.  I've read of a lot of negative experiences with those, and frequent reinstatement.

 

Edit:Ashton not Aston

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There were two things that helped me out of tolerance. Lowering the dose and adding remeron for sleep and appetite.
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You're right benzogirl. The remeron prob kept me from checking myself in. I called 3-4 places about inpatient. I was considering. The insomnia was breaking me. It's been an uphill battle but I'm  getting there.
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I have cold turkey symptoms already

 

Compared to ativan, valium's anti-anxiety profile is rather weak, so my recommendation would be to stay on that valium for a bit longer until you start feeling a little better. The body has to recover from the ativan cold turkey first. Good luck.

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I have cold turkey symptoms already

 

My doctor gave me bad advice to stay on the med longer after 9 days free. Now I feel worse everyday new symptoms. I'm bedridden. Wouldn't getting it out of my system be better? Tapering is making me sick because I'm in tolerance.

 

Yes, valium needs some time to build up in the system to cover up the ativan withdrawals which are usually harsh and punishing. If you didn't have that valium in your system, you would most likely feel many many times wose. A direct switch from ativan to valium is always super hard in the beginning just because the ativan is a much much stronger benzo, and it binds much more tightly to the GABA receptors than valium does. So, the whole idea with using valium is to heal those receptors because it has a much longer half-life. But, while it may be medically safe, doesn't mean that the transition isn't scary. It certainly is.

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I don't believe as you titrate to a lower dose, your tolerance will go away. Just my 2 cents.

 

I've come to the conclusion that tolerance does drop a little when titrating to a lower dose, but it goes right back up if you go back to the original dose even for just a week or so. That's the thing I hate the most about these pills. Tolerance takes forever to drop, but another short-term exposure will bring it right back up in no time. You can take a low dose for 2 weeks, stop for 6 months, and take it for two more weeks, but this time, tolerance just picks up where you left off. The gift that keeps on giving  :crazy:

 

But for all practical purposes, it should probably be looked at like benzogirl just said. If it takes someone a year to go from 2mg ativan to 0mg benzos and it takes them 15 days to get stuck on 2mg ativan again, that really talks volumes how tolerance works with these meds.

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I don't believe as you titrate to a lower dose, your tolerance will go away. Just my 2 cents.

 

I've come to the conclusion that tolerance does drop a little when titrating to a lower dose, but it goes right back up if you go back to the original dose even for just a week or so. That's the thing I hate the most about these pills. Tolerance takes forever to drop, but another short-term exposure will bring it right back up in no time. You can take a low dose for 2 weeks, stop for 6 months, and take it for two more weeks, but this time, tolerance just picks up where you left off. The gift that keeps on giving  :crazy:

 

But for all practical purposes, it should probably be looked at like benzogirl just said. If it takes someone a year to go from 2mg ativan to 0mg benzos and it takes them 15 days to get stuck on 2mg ativan again, that really talks volumes how tolerance works with these meds.

 

Yes LF:

 

That was my point. :) :)

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I don't believe as you titrate to a lower dose, your tolerance will go away. Just my 2 cents.

 

I've come to the conclusion that tolerance does drop a little when titrating to a lower dose, but it goes right back up if you go back to the original dose even for just a week or so. That's the thing I hate the most about these pills. Tolerance takes forever to drop, but another short-term exposure will bring it right back up in no time. You can take a low dose for 2 weeks, stop for 6 months, and take it for two more weeks, but this time, tolerance just picks up where you left off. The gift that keeps on giving  :crazy:

 

But for all practical purposes, it should probably be looked at like benzogirl just said. If it takes someone a year to go from 2mg ativan to 0mg benzos and it takes them 15 days to get stuck on 2mg ativan again, that really talks volumes how tolerance works with these meds.

 

Yes LF:

 

That was my point. :) :)

 

Yes. I see all the nuances from back then as my memory improved. I recall taking them for about a week and stopping, as my boss went on a vacation for 2 weeks, yet I had this inexplicable need to take the pills, when I mentally knew I didn't need them. So I didn't take them, but just couldn't quite comprehend the fact why I felt anxious when not taking them. It made very little sense, but now it sure does. I think I made a longer break at that point, but I just couldn't understand where all this new anxiety was coming from. The new layer of slight dread, that didn't previously exist. Now, I know all too well.

 

I remember the thinking. "Aren't these for anxiety relief?. What in the world is going on here?". I remember just going back and forth for quite a while thinking "Do I need these? No I don't, Looks like I do, No!, I guess I do, and on and on and on like that".

 

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So glad your brain said, NO! See it is working again. ;) ;)

 

Thanks. I recall you said a while back you tested as an ENFP in an MBTI test. I tested as an INFP many years ago, and sometimes I wonder how many NF's who are just wired to feel strong emotions end up being medicated in some way. Probably one too many. I get pretty blown away by all these emotions coming back tenfold while going through this process. Too many NF's are intuitive/emotional processors, and can feel quite deficient when being surrounded by more "rational" types. I wish that all people who have that creative/artistic/writing talent and this innate intuition/sensitivity realized that there is absolutely nothing wrong with them, that they are fine the way they are, and that they do not need to medicate/be medicated into compliance. Just my two cents on it.

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LF2015,

Do you think if a person has reached tolerance on one benzo such as Valium, they could try another such as klonopin and it would work better?  I am not going to be doing any switching but often wondered this question in the very beginning.

I carry a half a xanax bar with me as my emergency dose. I'm curious how effective it would be in case of emergency? I haven't had a xanax in 3 years.

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LF2015,

Do you think if a person has reached tolerance on one benzo such as Valium, they could try another such as klonopin and it would work better?  I am not going to be doing any switching but often wondered this question in the very beginning.

I carry a half a xanax bar with me as my emergency dose. I'm curious how effective it would be in case of emergency? I haven't had a xanax in 3 years.

 

Hi, IMO if one hasn't needed a xanax in three years, one probably can get through whatever comes without it.  I was diagnosed with cancer two years ago - luckily it was early stage and non-agressive, and  was completely removed.  I was three years off then, and interestingly, didn't even consider going back on.  I'm so glad I didn't. 

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LF2015,

Do you think if a person has reached tolerance on one benzo such as Valium, they could try another such as klonopin and it would work better?  I am not going to be doing any switching but often wondered this question in the very beginning.

I carry a half a xanax bar with me as my emergency dose. I'm curious how effective it would be in case of emergency? I haven't had a xanax in 3 years.

 

Good question, but I am not sure that I really know enough to answer this particular scenario. I've never taken Klonopin, so I have a fear of unknown there. As far as Xanax for emergencies, I don't know, because for some unexplained reason, Ativan ended up being the only benzo I had trouble with. I got much more anxiety relief from Ativan than I ever got from Xanax. I took Xanax 0.25mg for 1 week and stopped it easily. It didn't do much for me. I have no idea why. I guess each of our bodies is unique and reacts very differently to each one of these meds.

 

I guess I have an irrational fear of Klonopin for some reason. I don't know why. Maybe it's because I don't know how it works.

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