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I guess I have decide I need to updose after way to big cut forced by docs


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Short story I end up in hospital and my doc w/d 6 mg of Valium i 3 days. From 20mg to 14 mg. I am a mess in w/d all thime. This is 5 weeks ago now have the w/d catch up on me. I had take 2 rescue doses and the last it was such a relief. But I am far from stable..I will go back to my dose 20 mg. I took 20 mg yesterday. Feel little strange today

 

 

How long will it take to get more stable?

I have morning anxiety and if I take to big doses I got adverse effect. More anxiety and restlessness. Took 14 mg last morning...Is this a tolerance sign or could it just happens?

 

Am I out in deep water now? My second rescue dose was a bless.

I am so afraid of this that it will be worse. I got more w/d sxs after my first rescue dose. I new this was gonna happend. Yesterday I got really high BP o pulse. Took the dose of 6 mg and it stopped.

 

 

 

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I don't know the answers Sun..I just updosed too.  I felt better yesterday...today (so far) back to normal withdrawl feeling.  Good luck whatever you decided.
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I don't know the answers Sun..I just updosed too.  I felt better yesterday...today (so far) back to normal withdrawl feeling.  Good luck whatever you decided.

Hope it will continue so for you. I wish I had your doses. Well 100 % free from sxs will I not be either way. I wants the smoothes way 😊. I am so afraid though. Need positive stories.

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Goodness me, so sorry you have been thru such an ordeal! However, it certainly sounds like you have a plan that will allow for stabilizing and then you can resume a 'safer' taper. I believe you will find a great deal of help from this thread:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=96753.msg2376166#msg2376166

You may want to considered pasting and posting your original with this Valium support thread. ( if you have already done so, please forgive this benzo brain moment i am having) :smitten:

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Hi Sun. Try not to despair. You'll get through this and you just had a setback which is all to common with benzo withdrawal. The one thing I learned is that it can take a long time (possibly several months) to get back to baseline after seriously desensitizing your nervous system. I began my taper aggressively and cut way too much in the beginning. I was a mess and ended up having to halt my taper for several months until I finally got to a place where I could taper again. I've been doing fine since then although I have a few days here and there that are tough, most days are ok. Try to accept that it will be bumpy for a bit. Be patient with yourself and try to distract as best you can. Some day this experience will be a distant memory.

 

I'm so sorry you're having such a rough time.  :)--V

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My withdrawals didn't hit me real hard and real heavy until weeks 3-7. I endured 4 weeks of hell, and ultimately had to reinstate. It took me about 2 weeks to stabilize, but I never felt the same and still had a lot of symptoms.

 

I went back down again too fast I think. I'm struggling mightily right now at day 27 at .25. MIGHTILY.

 

I'm holding on for dear life. If this doesn't work, then I guess i get to have a serious conversation about a valium c/o, which my doc has not been very responsive too.

 

I just feel like if I can hold out for 8-12 weeks (who can do that, though???) that maybe I'll improve.

 

This is so bad.

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Hi Sun. Try not to despair. You'll get through this and you just had a setback which is all to common with benzo withdrawal. The one thing I learned is that it can take a long time (possibly several months) to get back to baseline after seriously desensitizing your nervous system. I began my taper aggressively and cut way too much in the beginning. I was a mess and ended up having to halt my taper for several months until I finally got to a place where I could taper again. I've been doing fine since then although I have a few days here and there that are tough, most days are ok. Try to accept that it will be bumpy for a bit. Be patient with yourself and try to distract as best you can. Some day this experience will be a distant memory.

 

I'm so sorry you're having such a rough time.  :)--V

 

Thank you for your support. I will get stable let all other meds leave my brain. Feel better in my head since updose  I can look at TV and got some DR between my doses is not stable yet and no paradoxical effect today. I sleep pretty good and feel more clear as far away from the SSRI W/d I go. Got anxiety relief since my updose and will hold until I feel stable enough. Is not so confused as I was before updose. Slow is the thing. I will go for liquid taper as soon my brain says ok. And a slooooow pace  :thumbsup:

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My withdrawals didn't hit me real hard and real heavy until weeks 3-7. I endured 4 weeks of hell, and ultimately had to reinstate. It took me about 2 weeks to stabilize, but I never felt the same and still had a lot of symptoms.

 

I went back down again too fast I think. I'm struggling mightily right now at day 27 at .25. MIGHTILY.

 

I'm holding on for dear life. If this doesn't work, then I guess i get to have a serious conversation about a valium c/o, which my doc has not been very responsive too.

 

I just feel like if I can hold out for 8-12 weeks (who can do that, though???) that maybe I'll improve.

 

This is so bad.

It is pure hell..Feel sorry for you too...

But as you say who can hold on for such a long time?

I am a slow metabolizer of diazepam I should have K. But my doc wont change...Docs... :tickedoff:

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Get stable and start a liquid taper when you can. When I updosed it took a week to feel more stable. That stability started to disappear after about a week on the higher dose though and that's where the liquid taper helped out. If you can try lower than 20mgs.
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Get stable and start a liquid taper when you can. When I updosed it took a week to feel more stable. That stability started to disappear after about a week on the higher dose though and that's where the liquid taper helped out. If you can try lower than 20mgs.

This morning I feel like hell. I have burning sensation in my hands it twitch here and there in my body  The burning sensation had I before updose. Might be the SSRI cause this. The morning dose does not give me so much relief. Feel scared. I had take 2 days now with 20 mg and today it feels like step back. My morning dose gave me little anxiety. I an so scared I wont get stable instead make it worse....

Did you got feelings like this?

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Get stable and start a liquid taper when you can. When I updosed it took a week to feel more stable. That stability started to disappear after about a week on the higher dose though and that's where the liquid taper helped out. If you can try lower than 20mgs.

This morning I feel like hell. I have burning sensation in my hands it twitch here and there in my body  The burning sensation had I before updose. Might be the SSRI cause this. The morning dose does not give me so much relief. Feel scared. I had take 2 days now with 20 mg and today it feels like step back. My morning dose gave me little anxiety. I an so scared I wont get stable instead make it worse....

Did you got feelings like this?

Your poor brain has been through so much. I would attribute it to SSRI withdrawal and somewhat of the fluctuations of your amount of V. Your mind/CNS is so confused right now. TwoWheels right now has some good advice.

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Get stable and start a liquid taper when you can. When I updosed it took a week to feel more stable. That stability started to disappear after about a week on the higher dose though and that's where the liquid taper helped out. If you can try lower than 20mgs.

This morning I feel like hell. I have burning sensation in my hands it twitch here and there in my body  The burning sensation had I before updose. Might be the SSRI cause this. The morning dose does not give me so much relief. Feel scared. I had take 2 days now with 20 mg and today it feels like step back. My morning dose gave me little anxiety. I an so scared I wont get stable instead make it worse....

Did you got feelings like this?

Your poor brain has been through so much. I would attribute it to SSRI withdrawal and somewhat of the fluctuations of your amount of V. Your mind/CNS is so confused right now. TwoWheels right now has some good advice.

I hope so because right now I am really scared and got panic attacks. I guess maybe the updose not was a good thing and I hit tolerance right away. I think I might stop here. A rescue dose and 3 evening updoses and I feel worse....I am so confused right now. I will see what my em dose will do. I got paradoxical anxiety . I guess I need to stop before it gets even harder.

I took 10 mg this morning and it didnt help me at all. I guess I am i tolerance on 20 mg too. Updose even more wont help me. Read that when paradoxical reactions occur on Benzo it should be w/d..Time to face the fact I need to stop this. Taking more will make it worse. I guess I wil have some hard time coming up. I will update.

 

Or will change to another benzo help? I have Clonazepsm or is all benzo the same crap? At least my body can metsbolize clonazepam right according to my enzyme problem.

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Hey Sun, Hang in there...

Try to relax as best that you can... -Hard to do, I know, but it will pay off...

I would try to aim for stability as much as possible. Once on a stable dose and with the other medications fading out of your system, I think you will start to feel much better and be able to plan your way forward...

Wishing you all the best...

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Hey Sun, Hang in there...

Try to relax as best that you can... -Hard to do, I know, but it will pay off...

I would try to aim for stability as much as possible. Once on a stable dose and with the other medications fading out of your system, I think you will start to feel much better and be able to plan your way forward...

Wishing you all the best...

Updose even more??? I guess I hit my tolerance already.I know the ssri mess upp too. I dont know what to doo...😢

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Pick a dose between 14 and 20 and stick to it.

Try to keep your multiple daily doses even and steady...

No one can tell you what dose to pick, or exactly how things will go, or how long it will take to feel better...

Lets hope its not long though...

But you Will feel better in time, its not forever...

 

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Pick a dose between 14 and 20 and stick to it.

Try to keep your multiple daily doses even and steady...

No one can tell you what dose to pick, or exactly how things will go, or how long it will take to feel better...

Lets hope its not long though...

But you Will feel better in time, its not forever...

Thanx the updose dosent work set me back even worse...

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Looks like the last time you were remotely stable was when you were cutting down to 8? It's hard to tell if crossing over to cloonz. Would stabilize you. I think your mind is so ravaged it might be risky. I agree with can'tfly...pick a dose somewhere between your 14-20, be vigilant about take that dose, and look for baseline symptoms and go from there.
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Looks like the last time you were remotely stable was when you were cutting down to 8? It's hard to tell if crossing over to cloonz. Would stabilize you. I think your mind is so ravaged it might be risky. I agree with can'tfly...pick a dose somewhere between your 14-20, be vigilant about take that dose, and look for baseline symptoms and go from there.

 

Yes I was. And short term on 20 mg then down to 14 mg. I guess I am not taking them right this morning I chew them to get them to work more quickly. But instead I got really bad w/d. Yesterday was fine. I guess the levels in my blood is not near by stable so if I drop after 3 doses up to 20 fr 14 I guess I will get such a horrible w/d. I took my em dose didnt help much the first 2 hours do feel less sxs now.

I will see how I will do. Very scared But do feel better now. Will take 20 mg today and see what next day will do. And not chew them maybe it miss some of its effect. I didnt feel a thing from 10 mg...Strange . Well I keep u updated

 

 

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Get stable and start a liquid taper when you can. When I updosed it took a week to feel more stable. That stability started to disappear after about a week on the higher dose though and that's where the liquid taper helped out. If you can try lower than 20mgs.

This morning I feel like hell. I have burning sensation in my hands it twitch here and there in my body  The burning sensation had I before updose. Might be the SSRI cause this. The morning dose does not give me so much relief. Feel scared. I had take 2 days now with 20 mg and today it feels like step back. My morning dose gave me little anxiety. I an so scared I wont get stable instead make it worse....

Did you got feelings like this?

 

All I remember is that I didn't become sxs free after the updose but more so liveable. I held for 2 weeks I believe then started the liquid taper. In those 2 weeks I did notice that I felt better on the higher dose but started to have some strong sxs's hit me as well. One panic attack in particular was really scary during this time. Now I pretty much feel the same way most of the time tapering. We're all so different and I dont have the answers but being consistent in my liquid taper has helped since the updose. You'll figure it out but it's not uncommon to have to wait a little while longer to feel stable and if not start coming back down slowly. Your tough, you'll get through this and find your way. Routing for you!

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I will start to cut down tomorrow. The up dose have give me itchy skin and burning sensation. I guess it was a bad choice of me and now I will pay the price. Hope these doses wont mess me up to much. Will wait them out and then start liquid taper.

It is time for me to accept I got a tolerance problem and had got these paradoxical effects of anxiety and RLS too...Hard to sit still. It could be the SSRI in combo with benzo. I need to came off this crap now face the demon  >:D.

And use my skills and knowledge since before. It is in my head a lot and benzo talking a lot.

I was better before up dose so these 6 mg for 3 days ( +one rescue2,5 mg) hope it wont mess me up to much.

I will sure mess my brain up for some days/week but this feeling I got with panic and no relief today (3 hours relief) I am to afraid to risk to up dose more days..

It maybe worse. But it look like this I will remove 2 mg each day down to 14 mg and then hold. Wait and start liquid as soon my mind and soul is ready. I  will start to cut 2 mg tomorrow. So 3 days as they did in the hospital. 

I will write back and update you. My body is burning and even got twitching since up dose. Did not had these before.

 

Pray for me  ' :angel:

/Sun stubborn as hell...I am afraid but all w/d will fade away.

14 mg was my dose for 4 days ago. Hope it wont "hurt" to much. I will be lost in my head and for sure got DR but I got it even now so same same

 

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Last post. Need advice how to cut my few days of updose?

Shall I just quit, I dont wanna be on a higher dose than needed. Is it stupid to w/d them in 3 days? Or shall I remove 1 mg/each day? it will take 6 days.

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Morning Sun... U sure do have some tough choices to make, but you can do it...

 

My thoughts are, if u drop the full 6 at once it will be done sooner and Hang On... -but it may come as a too big a drop all at once when your blood levels fall...??

 

If you drop 1mg/day and find its all too much, you might get a tiny window in which to correct it to a dose you can hold at... ie. 2-3 days previous dose... -but this will prolong things a little longer...

-personally i feel its the bit safer way to go...

 

-or drop 1mg for a couple of days, hold a few... -then repeat...?

 

The choices are yours, only you know how u feel and what is acceptable to put up with...

I do wish I could help more, am just hoping u get stable soon...

 

Best wishes...

 

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Morning Sun... U sure do have some tough choices to make, but you can do it...

 

My thoughts are, if u drop the full 6 at once it will be done sooner and Hang On... -but it may come as a too big a drop all at once when your blood levels fall...??

 

If you drop 1mg/day and find its all too much, you might get a tiny window in which to correct it to a dose you can hold at... ie. 2-3 days previous dose... -but this will prolong things a little longer...

-personally i feel its the bit safer way to go...

 

-or drop 1mg for a couple of days, hold a few... -then repeat...?

 

The choices are yours, only you know how u feel and what is acceptable to put up with...

I do wish I could help more, am just hoping u get stable soon...

 

Best wishes...

 

My husband said the same as you d. I had never had palpations before but I do know and it take almost 1, hours after my dose for my heart rate to slow down. I have a lot of tremor shaking in my hands when it is time to take my dose. I will see how I do my husband as I said says the same so I will see.Thanks  :) Scared though to push up my tolerance but cur 1 mg/day is lower.Took my em dose now for almost 1,5 hours didnt help.. Still no relief. I get anxiety. I hate this

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If it's only been a few days I'd drop back to the lower dose you decide to go with and just hold. I don't think you need to come down over days to get there. You were doing ok at a lower dose so just remember that as your doing this. I think mentally, we get ourselves prepared for the worse but often that can be reduced by trying to not to focus on the sxs's too often. Easier said then done but right now is a great time to distract the hell out of yourself. Your doing great and you'll be back down in no time. I would also not crossover to any benzo now unless you've run out of all options bc that's a whole other demon for some folks.
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If it's only been a few days I'd drop back to the lower dose you decide to go with and just hold. I don't think you need to come down over days to get there. You were doing ok at a lower dose so just remember that as your doing this. I think mentally, we get ourselves prepared for the worse but often that can be reduced by trying to not to focus on the sxs's too often. Easier said then done but right now is a great time to distract the hell out of yourself. Your doing great and you'll be back down in no time. I would also not crossover to any benzo now unless you've run out of all options bc that's a whole other demon for some folks.

 

 

I have a slow metabolism of diazepam. I guess as I just said to my husband it will just make the pain MUCH longer.

It will take a long time if I hold on a week and drop 1 mg each day. I let you know 😊.

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