1.5 Special K - 80ml graduated jar - Klonopin

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Wondering what you think...

 

I have an 80ml jar. I was planning on dissolving 3X.5K into milk or water. Maybe let the solution sit in fridge overnight to completley dissolve (overkill I know).

 

Then I would remove 2ml every 2 weeks. = 40 weeks - Too slow?

Or remove 3ml every 2 weeks = 27 weeks, Just right?

Or remove 4 ml every 2 weeks - 20 weeks, too fast?

 

Been on .5mg for the last ~ 15! years....Then up to 1.5 recently. (don't ask, so stupid to increase.)

 

BTW, I am in tolerance withdrawal since October 5 or so.

 

Thanks,

 

Wob.

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Milk is a better option than water.

 

As for speed - it's an impossible thing to know in advance.  You just have to see how you feel with the various taper rates.  If you're really in tolerance withdrawal, then you'll likely not get much reprieve until you're at zero for awhile, so get there as quickly (yet safely) as you can.  That would support the faster (20 week) taper.  But even people in tolerance withdrawal will feel the cuts, so you really have to ascertain how quickly you can handle your taper.  I believe that you should push yourself a bit, but not so much that you become bed or house-bound.

 

Bottom line is to do your cuts based on your symptoms instead of some pre-defined schedule.

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Yes, I agree. I could start at 4ml, and gauge how I feel, and reduce the cut accordingly or all together for periods of time. Yes I am definitely in tolwithdraw. I can take 1.5 mg all at once and feel nothing. I might get an hour of sleep on that. Came on when I was at 3/4 of a .5 mg pill. I was at 3/4 of that .5 mg pill and was solid for 2 weeks. Then wooossshhh. I got hit on the 14th day. Day 14 seems to be special in the taper world, something to do with some clock in the body, something...

 

I ended up out on STD for 3 months, and upped my dose to 1.5mg which what was prescribed to me, but the extra 1 mg did nothing for me. But now i'm on 1.5 total, I really should have tried to hold at 3/4 of .5 mg but when you're home for that much time you may do what I did. Go up on dose looking for relief.

 

What does anyone think about making up doses and refrigerating overnight to be used in the morning. I searched refridge~ but found nothing.

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Yes, I agree. I could start at 4ml, and gauge how I feel, and reduce the cut accordingly or all together for periods of time. Yes I am definitely in tolwithdraw. I can take 1.5 mg all at once and feel nothing. I might get an hour of sleep on that. Came on when I was at 3/4 of a .5 mg pill. I was at 3/4 of that .5 mg pill and was solid for 2 weeks. Then wooossshhh. I got hit on the 14th day. Day 14 seems to be special in the taper world, something to do with some clock in the body, something...

 

I ended up out on STD for 3 months, and upped my dose to 1.5mg which what was prescribed to me, but the extra 1 mg did nothing for me. But now i'm on 1.5 total, I really should have tried to hold at 3/4 of .5 mg but when you're home for that much time you may do what I did. Go up on dose looking for relief.

 

What does anyone think about making up doses and refrigerating overnight to be used in the morning. I searched refridge~ but found nothing.

I'm getting ready to start a milk taper and from my understanding you are supposed to let the pills dissolve in milk for 24 hours in fridge. I've also heard you can keep your doses in the fridge for a couple days.

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Thanks Hope, good to know. Thanks. Wob.

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Thanks Hope, good to know. Thanks. Wob.

no prob

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Hope, since you dropped a couple mg overnight...

I've only been at 1.5 for 3.5 months after having been at .5mg for a the last # of years with occasional extra here and there.

 

Anybody, I'm wondering about just dropping say .25mg directly instead of tapering the whole 1.5....So I would taper down from 1.25 instead of 1.5.

 

Any thoughts? Probably not good?

 

Wob

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Hope, since you dropped a couple mg overnight...

I've only been at 1.5 for 3.5 months after having been at .5mg for a the last # of years with occasional extra here and there.

 

Anybody, I'm wondering about just dropping say .25mg directly instead of tapering the whole 1.5....So I would taper down from 1.25 instead of 1.5.

 

Any thoughts? Probably not good?

 

Wob

well everyone is different and I'm coming from a very high dose from 2015. But I would not cut that much off at one time, but that's me. I'm all messed up from doing big cuts so... The problem with this k is the mg pills they come it's hard to dry cut a small amount. You look at the percentage, most people say 10% but I could never cut ten percent. Your call, but I couldn't do it.

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I make mine the day before in milk. The pills I have take awhile to dissolve. I shake the jar a few times during that period . If not I notice pieces of the pills on the bottom of the jar. . NOT good.

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Matty, how are you feeling now? It's been since 1/5 that you cut down to 2mg. Just curious, Wob.

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Hey Rob. I'm down to 1.90mg and am doing OK. I have periods through the day when I'm in  bad shape but then it goes away. I also hit tolerance. I've taken high doses all at once and it did nothing. I actually sometimes feel sicker after I dose. The thing I've learned is that my withdrawal is very unpredictable and that sucks. I know alot of people think I'm going too fast but I can't imagine  spending years to taper . I'm sick as hell so I mind as well get it over with. hopefully a year or a little longer. That's my plan. I can't work or do much of anything. Thankfully I can stay with family while I'm tapering. Everyone is differant. If I could go super slow and do this with little to no symptoms then I would spend years doing it but I'm in tolerance and sick no matter what. A no win situation. Don't spend much time online reading about it or watching videos. I used to do that and it made me feel worse. Goodluck in your taper. Any questions just ask. All I can do is answer the best I can from my experience with this crap. 

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So, I am at 72ml of an 80ml glass bottle/CVS plastic (free!) syringe taper adventure. Cutting 4% every 10-14 days. Probably try to stick with 14 days. 280 days..Too long?

 

80ml / 4ml = 20 cuts

20 cuts X 14 days = 280 days..

 

This is on1.5mg of K, using (3) .5mg pills.

 

I crush up the (3) .5mg pills in the bottle with the end of a fork or spoon, add a little water, swirl, and let sit for a while. Then I top off with whole milk. Let sit for a bit. Shake and stir.

 

Then, after I am confident that the pills have completely dissolved, I remove the amount of mg I am scheduled to remove. In this case, currently 8ml. Then I put the jar in the fridge for the next morning. I take my whole dose in the AM. Never have used it for sleeping, just anxiety when it still actually still worked. Now i'm in tolerance.

 

Prior to October 2016, I had been at .5mg for forever. Years. Then for various reasons, I ended up on the 1.5 I am on now. DAMN IT! Well, no going back now. So I have been at 1.5 for ~ 4months. But prior to that I had been at .5 for years.

 

So, this is what I am thinking. My body MAY tolerate the drop to .5mg OK, which will take ~ 185 days. In ~ 185 days I will be 2/3rd's through the taper, or in other words, I will be down to .5mg.

 

I am thinking that where I will have trouble, is with that last .5mg. So, I was thinking that I reduce the 4% cut to a 1 or 2 % cut when I enter that phase. I know everyone is different blah blah blah. But just wanted to run this by some folks. I am guessing that when I get down to .25mg and below I will enter a completely different zone that will be tough. So that is why I think I will begin to cut a smaller % when I get down that low.

 

What did you feel like when you got down to .25 and then to .125 and beyond? Was it hellish or did you just go slower and things were OK?

 

I am trying to keep my job through this and am worried about .5, .25 .125 and below to ZERO.

 

I'd like to go faster, so might go from 14 day cuts to 10 day cuts. But I am wary of day 14 with this stuff. My klonopin body clock seems to get particularly sensitive at 2 weeks after a cut. I know this only because in September of 2016, I decided I would begin snapping the .5 pills in half, and then splitting the halves in half. So, I was taking 3/4 of a .5mg pill. This obviously is a 25% cut. And I got into trouble because of it. For the 2 weeks that I was @ 3/4 of the .5 mg pill, I felt great. But on day 14, wham....

 

Knocked me out of work for a good amount of time for various reason. That's how I ended up an 1.5mg - DAMN.

 

So, just thought I would write all this out, and see if anyone wants to comment or make suggestions. I'd like to be off in 150 days if I could. 

 

- Wob

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So, I am at 72ml of an 80ml glass bottle/CVS plastic (free!) syringe taper adventure. Cutting 4% every 10-14 days. Probably try to stick with 14 days. 280 days..Too long?

 

80ml / 4ml = 20 cuts

20 cuts X 14 days = 280 days..

 

This is on1.5mg of K, using (3) .5mg pills.

 

I crush up the (3) .5mg pills in the bottle with the end of a fork or spoon, add a little water, swirl, and let sit for a while. Then I top off with whole milk. Let sit for a bit. Shake and stir.

 

Then, after I am confident that the pills have completely dissolved, I remove the amount of mg I am scheduled to remove. In this case, currently 8ml. Then I put the jar in the fridge for the next morning. I take my whole dose in the AM. Never have used it for sleeping, just anxiety when it still actually still worked. Now i'm in tolerance.

 

Prior to October 2016, I had been at .5mg for forever. Years. Then for various reasons, I ended up on the 1.5 I am on now. DAMN IT! Well, no going back now. So I have been at 1.5 for ~ 4months. But prior to that I had been at .5 for years.

 

So, this is what I am thinking. My body MAY tolerate the drop to .5mg OK, which will take ~ 185 days. In ~ 185 days I will be 2/3rd's through the taper, or in other words, I will be down to .5mg.

 

I am thinking that where I will have trouble, is with that last .5mg. So, I was thinking that I reduce the 4% cut to a 1 or 2 % cut when I enter that phase. I know everyone is different blah blah blah. But just wanted to run this by some folks. I am guessing that when I get down to .25mg and below I will enter a completely different zone that will be tough. So that is why I think I will begin to cut a smaller % when I get down that low.

 

What did you feel like when you got down to .25 and then to .125 and beyond? Was it hellish or did you just go slower and things were OK?

 

I am trying to keep my job through this and am worried about .5, .25 .125 and below to ZERO.

 

I'd like to go faster, so might go from 14 day cuts to 10 day cuts. But I am wary of day 14 with this stuff. My klonopin body clock seems to get particularly sensitive at 2 weeks after a cut. I know this only because in September of 2016, I decided I would begin snapping the .5 pills in half, and then splitting the halves in half. So, I was taking 3/4 of a .5mg pill. This obviously is a 25% cut. And I got into trouble because of it. For the 2 weeks that I was @ 3/4 of the .5 mg pill, I felt great. But on day 14, wham....

 

Knocked me out of work for a good amount of time for various reason. That's how I ended up an 1.5mg - DAMN.

 

So, just thought I would write all this out, and see if anyone wants to comment or make suggestions. I'd like to be off in 150 days if I could. 

 

- Wob

Wob how did you feel when you first started drinking the milk? Did you have an uptick in symptoms? Thank you.

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No, no symptoms at all. Actually, I think I felt and feel better. I think the fluid suspension gets the nasty stuff into my system quicker, which may negate some of the issues I was having due to being in tolerance withdrawal. So no. No symptoms changing from hard pill to liquid.

 

I had bought a $500 scale a year or two ago with plans to use it to dry cut taper. It read out to .0001 - Very accurate and.  Most or all cheap scales you see advertised only do .001 - I guess this is fine, I was just being anal. I did buy 2 of these cheaper $100 scales. I bought two in cast 1 failed. Well guess what?

 

Right out of the package, they were different. The pills weighed differently depending on which scale I used! Not very comforting. That when I bought the $500 scale.

 

Well, sitting in my basement with the scale, and cutting the pills down to size for that particular taper, was a pain in the ass. The pills are small as everyone know, and getting your fingers to grip the pill while reducing it sucked. And if you were say, doing 14 day taper/cut schedule, having to reduce 14 pills down to the right size was tedious to say the least. I was doing it in a way that I don't see many people trying. Using sandpaper. Different grits, but 200 grit was good. Sand the pill, measure. sand again,measure on the scale, and repeat. Do this for 14 pills. (this is if I was still on a single .5mg pill) dry cutting sucks. But if you are going to dry-cut, use sandpaper. Of course you lose all the K dust, that you have sanded off, but I didn't care.

 

So, I went to liquid titration. My main fear with liquid was that my family might see me making up a batch. But they don't care.

 

Milk vs water....I used water for the first few weeks. I liked water because I could see how much the pill(s) had dissolved. But the pill sediment was still visible at the bottom of the jar. No big deal if you agitate the liquid before drawing out whatever amount of mls you are tossing for that segment of the taper.

 

But I think the water/milk method works the best from a piece of mind standpoint. Dissolve pills in a very small amount of water. Crush 'em up with something. Butt end of a fork, the butt end of a screwdriver, whatever. You don't need a pill crushing tool. The pills will dissolve fast enough. Once dissolved in the ~ 5-10ml of water, fill the rest of the jar with milk. Let sit on counter for an hour. Shake and stir. Remove whatever amount of ml you are down to for that part of your taper. Place in fridge. Drink in the morning. I have been eating a small bowl of organic Kashi Harvest wheat cereal, and then drinking the poison 10-20 minutes later.

 

This works well for me. Simple preparation, simple tools etc. an 80ml graduated glass jar with screw on top and free 1, 5 and 10 ml plastic syringes from CVS.

 

So easy. I do think that the milk helps keep the K suspended. I do not believe that it binds to the "fat globules" that's bunk. But the K stays suspended better in milk. Using alcohol is a not necessary from my point of view. Besides, who wants to drink alcohol in the morning..Not me.

 

So, the answer is no symptoms changing to liquid. Why would people get symptoms changing from dry to wet? It all ends up in your gut anyway. Liquid is a better delivery system that just letting the pills dissolve in your gut.

 

So that's it. I had zero symptoms changing from dry to wet and neither should you.

 

Good luck. Wob.

 

 

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No, no symptoms at all. Actually, I think I felt and feel better. I think the fluid suspension gets the nasty stuff into my system quicker, which may negate some of the issues I was having due to being in tolerance withdrawal. So no. No symptoms changing from hard pill to liquid.

 

I had bought a $500 scale a year or two ago with plans to use it to dry cut taper. It read out to .0001 - Very accurate and.  Most or all cheap scales you see advertised only do .001 - I guess this is fine, I was just being anal. I did buy 2 of these cheaper $100 scales. I bought two in cast 1 failed. Well guess what?

 

Right out of the package, they were different. The pills weighed differently depending on which scale I used! Not very comforting. That when I bought the $500 scale.

 

Well, sitting in my basement with the scale, and cutting the pills down to size for that particular taper, was a pain in the ass. The pills are small as everyone know, and getting your fingers to grip the pill while reducing it sucked. And if you were say, doing 14 day taper/cut schedule, having to reduce 14 pills down to the right size was tedious to say the least. I was doing it in a way that I don't see many people trying. Using sandpaper. Different grits, but 200 grit was good. Sand the pill, measure. sand again,measure on the scale, and repeat. Do this for 14 pills. (this is if I was still on a single .5mg pill) dry cutting sucks. But if you are going to dry-cut, use sandpaper. Of course you lose all the K dust, that you have sanded off, but I didn't care.

 

So, I went to liquid titration. My main fear with liquid was that my family might see me making up a batch. But they don't care.

 

Milk vs water....I used water for the first few weeks. I liked water because I could see how much the pill(s) had dissolved. But the pill sediment was still visible at the bottom of the jar. No big deal if you agitate the liquid before drawing out whatever amount of mls you are tossing for that segment of the taper.

 

But I think the water/milk method works the best from a piece of mind standpoint. Dissolve pills in a very small amount of water. Crush 'em up with something. Butt end of a fork, the butt end of a screwdriver, whatever. You don't need a pill crushing tool. The pills will dissolve fast enough. Once dissolved in the ~ 5-10ml of water, fill the rest of the jar with milk. Let sit on counter for an hour. Shake and stir. Remove whatever amount of ml you are down to for that part of your taper. Place in fridge. Drink in the morning. I have been eating a small bowl of organic Kashi Harvest wheat cereal, and then drinking the poison 10-20 minutes later.

 

This works well for me. Simple preparation, simple tools etc. an 80ml graduated glass jar with screw on top and free 1, 5 and 10 ml plastic syringes from CVS.

 

So easy. I do think that the milk helps keep the K suspended. I do not believe that it binds to the "fat globules" that's bunk. But the K stays suspended better in milk. Using alcohol is a not necessary from my point of view. Besides, who wants to drink alcohol in the morning..Not me.

 

So, the answer is no symptoms changing to liquid. Why would people get symptoms changing from dry to wet? It all ends up in your gut anyway. Liquid is a better delivery system that just letting the pills dissolve in your gut.

 

So that's it. I had zero symptoms changing from dry to wet and neither should you.

 

Good luck. Wob.

hey Wob. Thanks for answering. I've just seen so many people say they have an uptick of symptoms when they switch to liquid. I think it has something to do with absorption. As I have melted pills in my mouth before and it hits you much quicker. I've read some eat before dose to help with this and some say on empty stomach. I have my whole milk plan planned up just holding to stabilize. It's very common on here that some people have uptick of symptoms and have to stabilize on it first. I think it has to do with absorption but anyway I'm glad the milk is going good for you to get off this poison. Why do you think it's doesn't stick to the fat in the milk? All the sediment you see is supposedly the binders and fillers as only 2% of the pill is actual the klonopin. I don't know if I hit  tolerance before because I did a massive cut overnight after like a brain melt down from being on such a high dose. I've made some huge mistakes. I know I don't really feel the poison anymore. Well glad to hear it's working for you. Thank you.

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K sticking to fat globules...The K would have to be dissolved to the molecular level or something like that I think. Let someone show me some science behind the idea and I will buy into it.

 

I just think it's something someone thought up, it sounds scientific right? In the end it doesn't matter. The K will dissolve and stay suspended better in milk that water. The only thing I don't like about milk, is that you cannot see sediment at the bottom of a glass jar like you can with water. That's why I like to dissolve in warm water 1st. Just enough to cover the pills for my setup. So this way I can see that the pills have fully dissolved.

 

Then top off with milk. This all is not rocket science and I think people get carried away with procedures. Just get a graduated jar with screw top, go to local pharmacy and ask for some plastic syringes and chart your course/taper. Too much thinking about procedure is why I am still on it when if I just chose method/plan and stuck with it, I would probably be off the shit by now.

 

This is my 1st and last taper, so I am no expert. But, if you just make it simple and stop focusing on the actual preparation procedure you will be OK.

 

Wob

 

Food in stomach, no food, I don't know. I eat just a small amount of cereal and then dose up. Sometimes I don't eat the cereal if I am running late.

 

Like people have said, when you go to remove your ml's from the jar, make sure the liquid is not swirling because the vortex created will concentrate the K in the center vortex. I just take the syringe, and use it to randomly stir of the solution and try to draw from around the middle of the jar instead of the very bottom where the K will quickly begin to settle. Unless of course its all bound to "fat globules", and then there is no worry !! 

 

 

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If the liquid ends up not working out towards the end of my taper because I am taking so little (.25, .125 etc) I am just going to begin snorting it....Or I will get a setup and boot it. Just kidding!

 

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If the liquid ends up not working out towards the end of my taper because I am taking so little (.25, .125 etc) I am just going to begin snorting it....Or I will get a setup and boot it. Just kidding!

 

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I hear ya!!! 

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What's at the bottom of the jar is the fillers not the Klonopin.

 

Jenny

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K sticking to fat globules...The K would have to be dissolved to the molecular level or something like that I think. Let someone show me some science behind the idea and I will buy into it.

 

 

Wob

 

 

The science is...  K (like most benzos) is lipid-soluble, meaning it will dissolve in fatty liquids and make an evenly distributed solution.

 

"Clonazepam is lipid-soluble..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonazepam

 

"LIPID SOLUBILITY

 

The maximum concentration of a chemical that will dissolve in fatty substances. Lipid soluble substances are insoluble in water. "

 

 

http://www.caslab.com/Lipid_Solubility_Meaning/

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Ah. OK, thank you Builder!