is it her or benzos?????

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a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts???

[[La...]]

I think in some point of recovery it becomes impossible to distinguish benzo-related anxiety from, as you put it, our own anxiety. At that point I dont think it matters figuring out which it derives from. If it derives from your steal healing CNS, then all you can do is be patient. If its your own anxiety your going to have to learn its origins and understand it as well as develop more effective coping skills. Lastly, it could be an interaction between the two, e.g. real anxiety weighing on a still-recovering CNS. This may be the most likely explanation, which if true would require you to be both patient and learn how to manage your anxiety.

 

I'm in the same boat. With time, an aware/observing mind, practicing my coping skills, I am bound to improve my situation.  In retrospect, with what I know about myself now, I was clearly living a life of HIGH ANXIETY, long before I ever ran into benzos. I just didnt realize how anxious I was, until I had to go through wd. Now I have my sites set on a much more peaceful, content future. One day at a time.

 

[[Mo...]]

a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts

 

Hi, interesting point. in my case i could sing a song about Benzo-wd-anxiety, never suffered

fom anxiety in all my life, took Benzo for insomnia due to night duties.

 

my anxiety has gone now, it was a sx.....therefore i think it will pass for people , if the original

anxiety disorder comes back it will be nothing compared to wd anxiety, big difference.

 

i am a bad detox case, did i stay traumatized ? i am sure not, its not permanent.

 

 

 

 

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a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts

 

Hi, interesting point. in my case i could sing a song about Benzo-wd-anxiety, never suffered

fom anxiety in all my life, took Benzo for insomnia due to night duties.

 

my anxiety has gone now, it was a sx.....therefore i think it will pass for people , if the original

anxiety disorder comes back it will be nothing compared to wd anxiety, big difference.

 

i am a bad detox case, did i stay traumatized ? i am sure not, its not permanent.

 

When did your anxiety go away, Morroweg? And to the OP, I remember what its like to have a real anxiety disorder. Its completely manageable with all natural methods of staving off anxiety.

 

If you have eliminated sugar, caffeine, exercise, and do deep breathing and it isn't working to relieve any of it...its withdrawal. Hands down.

[[Mo...]]

a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts

 

Hi, interesting point. in my case i could sing a song about Benzo-wd-anxiety, never suffered

fom anxiety in all my life, took Benzo for insomnia due to night duties.

 

my anxiety has gone now, it was a sx.....therefore i think it will pass for people , if the original

anxiety disorder comes back it will be nothing compared to wd anxiety, big difference.

 

i am a bad detox case, did i stay traumatized ? i am sure not, its not permanent.

 

When did your anxiety go away, Morroweg? And to the OP, I remember what its like to have a real anxiety disorder. Its completely manageable with all natural methods of staving off anxiety.

 

If you have eliminated sugar, caffeine, exercise, and do deep breathing and it isn't working to relieve any of it...its withdrawal. Hands down.

 

Orion, i always have to point out that i'm a bad case, your timing might be different.

my wd-anxiety got bearable at 9 months off, at 11 months was gone  (i bloody thought ),

returned at 14 months off and left for good at around 18 months.

 

its like a cat and mouse game, first we are the mouse .......and once we turn into

the cat, we become winners.

 

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a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts

 

Hi, interesting point. in my case i could sing a song about Benzo-wd-anxiety, never suffered

fom anxiety in all my life, took Benzo for insomnia due to night duties.

 

my anxiety has gone now, it was a sx.....therefore i think it will pass for people , if the original

anxiety disorder comes back it will be nothing compared to wd anxiety, big difference.

 

i am a bad detox case, did i stay traumatized ? i am sure not, its not permanent.

 

When did your anxiety go away, Morroweg? And to the OP, I remember what its like to have a real anxiety disorder. Its completely manageable with all natural methods of staving off anxiety.

 

If you have eliminated sugar, caffeine, exercise, and do deep breathing and it isn't working to relieve any of it...its withdrawal. Hands down.

 

Orion, i always have to point out that i'm a bad case, your timing might be different.

my wd-anxiety got bearable at 9 months off, at 11 months was gone  (i bloody thought ),

returned at 14 months off and left for good at around 18 months.

 

its like a cat and mouse game, first we are the mouse .......and once we turn into

the cat, we become winners.

 

I know. I'm just really struggling. I took the pills for 3 weeks with a rapid taper. What else was I supposed to do?? Any doc would say to come off CT at that point. And my first month wasn't bad. I just want some relief.

 

If I had been on the pills for a few years I could understand, but this has become very discouraging. Just seems unreal for such a short amount of time. To be 26 and debilitated without an estimate of time on recovery is really scary.

[[Mo...]]

a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts

 

Hi, interesting point. in my case i could sing a song about Benzo-wd-anxiety, never suffered

fom anxiety in all my life, took Benzo for insomnia due to night duties.

 

my anxiety has gone now, it was a sx.....therefore i think it will pass for people , if the original

anxiety disorder comes back it will be nothing compared to wd anxiety, big difference.

 

i am a bad detox case, did i stay traumatized ? i am sure not, its not permanent.

 

When did your anxiety go away, Morroweg? And to the OP, I remember what its like to have a real anxiety disorder. Its completely manageable with all natural methods of staving off anxiety.

 

If you have eliminated sugar, caffeine, exercise, and do deep breathing and it isn't working to relieve any of it...its withdrawal. Hands down.

 

Orion, i always have to point out that i'm a bad case, your timing might be different.

my wd-anxiety got bearable at 9 months off, at 11 months was gone  (i bloody thought ),

returned at 14 months off and left for good at around 18 months.

 

its like a cat and mouse game, first we are the mouse .......and once we turn into

the cat, we become winners.

 

I know. I'm just really struggling. I took the pills for 3 weeks with a rapid taper. What else was I supposed to do?? Any doc would say to come off CT at that point. And my first month wasn't bad. I just want some

relief.

 

If I had been on the pills for a few years I could understand, but this has become very discouraging. Just seems unreal for such a short amount of time. To be 26 and debilitated without an estimate of time on recovery is really scary.

 

i know Orion, i am perplex that this happened to you and other short timers as well.

Somehow i came to the conclusion that the 3-4 weeks period is not accurate .

 

seems like 3-4 days, emergency medication so to speak, awful crap this is.

but i am glad you've got your Doc on board now, which should give you confidence and hope.

 

you know , i have seen short term users get a big window overnight , they couldn't believe it

themselves, and voila ......they had recovered.

 

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a friend and i are having a debate on how can we tell the difference from benzo w/d anxiety or our own anxiety??? they seem to think if we become traumatized from benzo w/d that we can develope an anxiety disorder.. any thoughts

 

Hi, interesting point. in my case i could sing a song about Benzo-wd-anxiety, never suffered

fom anxiety in all my life, took Benzo for insomnia due to night duties.

 

my anxiety has gone now, it was a sx.....therefore i think it will pass for people , if the original

anxiety disorder comes back it will be nothing compared to wd anxiety, big difference.

 

i am a bad detox case, did i stay traumatized ? i am sure not, its not permanent.

 

When did your anxiety go away, Morroweg? And to the OP, I remember what its like to have a real anxiety disorder. Its completely manageable with all natural methods of staving off anxiety.

 

If you have eliminated sugar, caffeine, exercise, and do deep breathing and it isn't working to relieve any of it...its withdrawal. Hands down.

 

Orion, i always have to point out that i'm a bad case, your timing might be different.

my wd-anxiety got bearable at 9 months off, at 11 months was gone  (i bloody thought ),

returned at 14 months off and left for good at around 18 months.

 

its like a cat and mouse game, first we are the mouse .......and once we turn into

the cat, we become winners.

 

I know. I'm just really struggling. I took the pills for 3 weeks with a rapid taper. What else was I supposed to do?? Any doc would say to come off CT at that point. And my first month wasn't bad. I just want some

relief.

 

If I had been on the pills for a few years I could understand, but this has become very discouraging. Just seems unreal for such a short amount of time. To be 26 and debilitated without an estimate of time on recovery is really scary.

 

i know Orion, i am perplex that this happened to you and other short timers as well.

Somehow i came to the conclusion that the 3-4 weeks period is not accurate .

 

seems like 3-4 days, emergency medication so to speak, awful crap this is.

but i am glad you've got your Doc on board now, which should give you confidence and hope.

 

you know , i have seen short term users get a big window overnight , they couldn't believe it

themselves, and voila ......they had recovered.

 

I hope I get that. I need it...I'm just so scared, you know?/I've had breathing issues the entire withdrawal and it scares me to death. That's why I'm so debilitated and unable to do anything. And I smoke, too...which makes it worse. But quitting smoking can be bad for your withdrawal as it takes the focus away from GABA for a bit.

 

I just wish nobody had to go through this...living in survival mode every day is so, so hard.

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Orion i smoke too. can't give it up at the moment.

i remember how scary it was, deep belly breathing....through your nose......deep into your belly.

even though i have no anxiety now, i still do this exercise in order to strengthen my airways.

it helps, yes.

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Orion i smoke too. can't give it up at the moment.

i remember how scary it was, deep belly breathing....through your nose......deep into your belly.

even though i have no anxiety now, i still do this exercise in order to strengthen my airways.

it helps, yes.

 

I wish it worked for me. I don't get any relief from it. Other than being alive, I guess. I just wish my brain would kick in and start working its magic. I'm almost to 90 days though...just gotta hang on until then.

[[Mo...]]

Orion i smoke too. can't give it up at the moment.

i remember how scary it was, deep belly breathing....through your nose......deep into your belly.

even though i have no anxiety now, i still do this exercise in order to strengthen my airways.

it helps, yes.

 

I wish it worked for me. I don't get any relief from it. Other than being alive, I guess. I just wish my brain would kick in and start working its magic. I'm almost to 90 days though...just gotta hang on until then.

 

yep, you've got to hang on. some members agree with me when i say it must go in cycles,

for better or for worse.

3 months cycles, with small changes, 6 months cycles with big changes.

 

i bet in 4 months time it will all be different for you, we'll see right ?

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Orion i smoke too. can't give it up at the moment.

i remember how scary it was, deep belly breathing....through your nose......deep into your belly.

even though i have no anxiety now, i still do this exercise in order to strengthen my airways.

it helps, yes.

 

I wish it worked for me. I don't get any relief from it. Other than being alive, I guess. I just wish my brain would kick in and start working its magic. I'm almost to 90 days though...just gotta hang on until then.

 

yep, you've got to hang on. some members agree with me when i say it must go in cycles,

for better or for worse.

3 months cycles, with small changes, 6 months cycles with big changes.

 

i bet in 4 months time it will all be different for you, we'll see right ?

 

I can only hope. I just did not know what I was getting into asking for relief from something that wasn't really there. Alcohol caused one panic attack. Just one. And I got on the pills because I wanted to go to work and be responsible. Now I'm off work and not able to do anything.

 

Its so lonely...but hopefully you are right and I start to sew real relief soon. I need it.

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It is me sussie is referring to.

 

I am "back" and worse as ever. My depression has seemed to lift a bit BUT my anxiety is getting WORSE and WORSE.

 

It doenst even fluctuate anymore and it it no lie 24/7. I am scared to death all the time!

It has come to a point where i dont know what to do anymore and it is not bearable anymore.

Since i am worried that I might have developed a severe anxiety disorder because the nature of my anxiety has changed. It used to be horriffic in the morning and somewhat tolerable in the evening and low in the night. Now it is only sky high like TOTALLY crazy and in no manner to be tolerated for anymore month on end. Did i develop this due to what happend to me in wd (George and dad and the wd) I dont know.

 

I spoke to a benzowise therapist and she says its ABSOLUTLEY impossible to tell if  its wd or a gad.

 

my problem is, that I am ABSOLUTLEY terrffied of meds also SSRI or anything. I feel like i have come to a dead end. This fear and anxiety is not manageble or on a liveable level. I am in absolute terror how my life will continue like this.

 

If this is a GAD it so at its worse and no therapy helps (i have tried). started month 10

 

No windows or anything in sight. I am loosing this. and all because of a f"§$$§$g pill. I try to distract somewhat it doesnt help i am in such fear I spend most my day breathing in bed. If this anxiety and fear would be gone i would be healed. my fear of my future and all of this the greatest.

 

HELP my situation is getting out of hand and going to hospital for safekeep does not end my anxiety.  :'( :'( I have no idea what to do anymore. I guess none of you do either. sorry

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Germangirl, looks like there has been a change....which is a good sign,  DP lifted a bit, anxiety got worse.

9 months 2 days....remember what Ian Singleton told you ? keep hanging on, its the only way.

Don't ever dispair, I think.......anything is possible.....a window could happen

from one day to another.........it happened before to people, it will happen again.

 

P.S. my guess is DP will be gone for good, anxiety will become less and less.

a cat and mouse game ? yes, unfortunately.

 

 

 

[[Be...]]

I am just worried if this is a gad it will also get worse and worse untreated.

Aaahhhh morreweg ich will doch endlich meine hochzeit!!

 

I feel so permanent. A gad if it were one is really hard to beat.

So its a good sign if anxiety got worse??

 

How was the nature of your anxiety?

Das schlimmste an mir im moment ist meine WUT UND UNGEDULD!!!

[[Mo...]]

I am just worried if this is a gad it will also get worse and worse untreated.

Aaahhhh morreweg ich will doch endlich meine hochzeit!!

 

I feel so permanent. A gad if it were one is really hard to beat.

So its a good sign if anxiety got worse??

 

How was the nature of your anxiety?

Das schlimmste an mir im moment ist meine WUT UND UNGEDULD!!!

 

My Benzo-anxiety was charming, never seen anything like it, remember i've been a cool

person all my life, King Kong wouldn't scare me.

 

But this f anxietey scared the shits out of me until i realized that its due to this bloody

pills. whenever it hit me, i used to breath deeply and shout ...here we go again you bastard......

but you're not going to bring me down to my knees....keep coming until you get sick of it.

i shall wait.....i shall be the winner in the end.

 

i remember when it started getting less, especially noticeable in the mornings......

i laughed and said...hey anxiety ?...are you slowly giving up on me ? 

 

lucky i live on my own, otherwise one must have thought i was gone bonkers.

not funny, not funny at all......but i pushed through , it was worth it.

 

you know , in my opinion and from what i know now after reading all the literature about this crap,

any treatment with meds is BS, there is no science to it, all speculation.

 

I think since your DP has lifted a bit you notice the anxiety stronger.

my speculation ?  in a way yes, but it does make sense to me.

 

Your CNS is healing, bin ich fest ueberzeugt.

 

once you are well again you must come back um ueber deine Hochzeit zu berichten, promise ?

 

 

 

[[Be...]]

Did your anxiety come in waves? War nicht die ganze ganze zeit da? Muss das mir keine sorgen machen? Really 24/7

[[Mo...]]

Did your anxiety come in waves? War nicht die ganze ganze zeit da? Muss das mir keine sorgen machen? Really 24/7

 

funny thing is, one seems to forget details once its over. it was there, 24/7..then waves..  it was

the most scary shit i could imagine. looked like it was never ending but it does.

 

mach Dir keine Sorgen, das wird alles wieder ok.

 

 

[[Be...]]

Sehr gut. If one forgets the details.

 

What did you do all day with the anxiety?

I guess i am not a waves person. Things just seem to leave com back leave....

[[Mo...]]

Sehr gut. If one forgets the details.

 

What did you do all day with the anxiety?

I guess i am not a waves person. Things just seem to leave com back leave....

 

GG, Can't remember , i just had to accept and there were lots of other sxs.

[[Mi...]]

I love this:  "I just didn't realize how anxious I was, until I had to go through wd. Now I have my sites set on a much more peaceful, content future. One day at a time."