ScienceGuy re: GABAa & GABAb Agonists

[Guest [Da...]]

I wanted to share the following link that I found last year. It was started by a bright guy named ScienceGuy from Longecity Forum whereby he discusses GABAa and GABAb agonists complete with references to clinical studies. Take care all.

 

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54028-treating-anxiety-safely-effectively/

 

Note: not sure if I can have this link and I didn't know how to unlink it.

[Guest [Lu...]]

I've read this before and tend to agree with mostly everything he says; however, I believe glutamate antagonists should be avoided as well, due to the possibility of further upregulating the AMPA/NMDA receptors.

[[Mo...]]

Not sure what to make of it, his tapering advise is the opposite to Prof. Ashton.

short half life versa long half life.

I'd rather trust the Ashton manual.

 

[[sa...]]

What drugs are glutamate antagonists.

[Guest [Lu...]]

What drugs are glutamate antagonists.

 

Memantine, L-Theanine, Magnesium, L-Phenylalanine, Alcohol, DXM... there's a bunch, Satch.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor_antagonist

[[sa...]]

Thanks.  I wish I had used l theanine instead of klonopin.

[[Wi...]]

This is amazing.  Thanks

 

I am also with morrwig re:short half life benzos, especislly considering ativan was my original benxo and impossible for me to taper.

[Guest [sa...]]

I've read this before and tend to agree with mostly everything he says; however, I believe glutamate antagonists should be avoided as well, due to the possibility of further upregulating the AMPA/NMDA receptors.

 

wasn't aware of that, i was using magnesium as if it was the safest thing ever. 

 

but do you think that getting magnesium from natural sources could cause that?

[Guest [Lu...]]

I've read this before and tend to agree with mostly everything he says; however, I believe glutamate antagonists should be avoided as well, due to the possibility of further upregulating the AMPA/NMDA receptors.

 

wasn't aware of that, i was using magnesium as if it was the safest thing ever. 

 

but do you think that getting magnesium from natural sources could cause that?

 

When you eat something from a natural source to get magnesium, i.e. a handful of walnuts, you're ingesting a balanced complex of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. There is no harm in this whatsoever; however, when you start isolating and concentrating things, like say xAmount-mg of Magnesium a day, I believe you might get into trouble. The body wasn't meant to consume Doctor's Best Magnesium on a daily basis, and save for an extreme magnesium deficiency, I believe it could be bad for benzo withdrawal. Many members on this forum have had a particularly awful time with magnesium after supplementing with it for a few weeks/months. It's my opinion that we need to leave anything that affects GABA and Glutamate be.

[[bo...]]

A lot of members had no problem with magnesium supplements and found them very helpful. It is an individual thing. Same with epsom salt baths which are also a type of supplementation which many members find helpful.

[Guest [Lu...]]

A lot of members had no problem with magnesium supplements and found them very helpful. It is an individual thing. Same with epsom salt baths which are also a type of supplementation which many members find helpful.

 

I completely agree. Some have used chamomile tea and magnesium to get through this and have completely recovered. It is a very individual thing.