Please can someone help me with Math on my Klonopin taper...

[[sa...]]

Thanks in advance to all of my BBs who are helping me figure out my taper (Especially you, Intend).

 

I am having trouble with math.

 

If I do a 10% taper from my 1.5mg K daily dose....  How would I do that mathematically? 

 

I am working with 3 pills at .5mg each.  Each of my pills weigh approximately .173 on the scale.

 

Am I subtracting 10% from each .5mg pill that weighs .173 (=.156) or am I subtracting 10% from each of my daily doses of 1.5mg (=1.35mg)?

 

Obviously I need to hold for 3-4 weeks to find out what sx I will have....

 

Then what would the next taper be?

 

And so on and so forth....?

 

Please help!  I know precision is key here and I want to start the taper right.

 

Your help is appreciated in advance!

 

S

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You are doing both.  You are subtracting 10% from each pill weight (.156g x3) and each of those shaved pills now contain .45mg K (x3=1.35mg).  When the pill weight is reduced by 10% the dose is also reduced by 10%.

[[sa...]]

Thanks for your feedback SG57,

 

Ok, so I am shaving 10% off all three pills at once?  I thought I was only tapering one of the 3 pills at a time.  Do you think 10% is too much???

 

what would my next taper be then...?  Is this how my 10% taper schedule should be?

 

I want to start out right and I'm getting different opinions...  This is in mgs for Klonopin...

 

1.5

1.35

1.22

1.10

.99

.89

.80

.72

.65

.56

.50

.45

.40

.36

.32

.29

.26

.23

.21

.19

.17

.15

.14

.13

.12

.11

.10

etc....

 

Please advise.

 

Thank you!

 

S

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I was just answering your question about math and didn't want to butt in on your taper, but yes I do think 10% is too much to cut at once.  Waaay too much.  There is no need to remove that much drug all at once.  I believe we should keep the drug in our bodies to cover symptoms until our bodies are ready to deal with the shortage.  So smaller more frequent cutting is better than larger less frequent cuts.  The way to optimize this is to do a daily taper.

[[Pr...]]

You are doing both.  You are subtracting 10% from each pill weight (.156g x3) and each of those shaved pills now contain .45mg K (x3=1.35mg).  When the pill weight is reduced by 10% the dose is also reduced by 10%.

 

 

I was literally just trying to figure this out as well.  I have just gotten my new digital milligram scale and couldn't figure out why my pill was weighing .173g but it was supposed to be a .5 pill.  LOL.  I am already horrible with math but also I have been having trouble with memory lately that simple things I can't figure out.  My 1 mg pills weighed the same!  My wife had to come in and telling me what I was doing wrong.  The look on her face.  Priceless.  So we should weigh each pill before crushing it and weighing out the proper dose correctly to make sure that we are tapering the correct amount off?

 

Also, I have been told and have read numerous times that 10% is a good safe taper amount.  I know that everyone is different of course and you need to listen to your body to figure the correct taper amount, but can you please explain why you think 10% is too much to taper off? Have you heard differently than me or from your own experience?  I would really like to know as my next planned cut will be by 10%. 

 

Thanks

 

prman162 

[[gr...]]

10 percent is the max reccommened by the Ashton manual...

[[Pr...]]

10 percent is the max reccommened by the Ashton manual...

 

ok, that I remember.  So I guess really doing 10% and then let your body tell you if it can handle that much?  Of course, I made the mistake of my first 2 cuts being at 50% because the doc told me that was the correct amount.  I survived that amount, I would think that I can survive 10%.  I have not done 10% though.  So it will be an experiment for me next cut.  I appreciate your input.  And thank you for confirming the math I ended up with was correct.  At least I have a reason to push learning math skills to my kids now!! 

 

If Daddy has his pill weigh .173g, and he needs to shave off 10%.....how much will the pill weigh now? 

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You are doing both.  You are subtracting 10% from each pill weight (.156g x3) and each of those shaved pills now contain .45mg K (x3=1.35mg).  When the pill weight is reduced by 10% the dose is also reduced by 10%.

 

 

I was literally just trying to figure this out as well.  I have just gotten my new digital milligram scale and couldn't figure out why my pill was weighing .173g but it was supposed to be a .5 pill.  LOL.  I am already horrible with math but also I have been having trouble with memory lately that simple things I can't figure out.  My 1 mg pills weighed the same!  My wife had to come in and telling me what I was doing wrong.  The look on her face.  Priceless.  So we should weigh each pill before crushing it and weighing out the proper dose correctly to make sure that we are tapering the correct amount off?

 

Also, I have been told and have read numerous times that 10% is a good safe taper amount.  I know that everyone is different of course and you need to listen to your body to figure the correct taper amount, but can you please explain why you think 10% is too much to taper off? Have you heard differently than me or from your own experience?  I would really like to know as my next planned cut will be by 10%. 

 

Thanks

 

prman162

 

The best way to explain is by example I think.  Let's say you plan to cut 10% in a month.  You can cut 10% and hold for a month.  Or you can cut 5%, hold for two weeks, twice.  This is an improvement because you got to the same place in the same time, but you left 5% in your body to cover symptoms until you were ready to deal with it.  Even better, you could cut 1% every three days and do this ten times.  Same effect.  The extreme of this is a daily taper where you cut .33% each day for 30 days.  The drug remains in your body to cover symptoms until your body is ready to deal with the shortage.  Why not take advantage?

[[Pr...]]

You are doing both.  You are subtracting 10% from each pill weight (.156g x3) and each of those shaved pills now contain .45mg K (x3=1.35mg).  When the pill weight is reduced by 10% the dose is also reduced by 10%.

 

 

I was literally just trying to figure this out as well.  I have just gotten my new digital milligram scale and couldn't figure out why my pill was weighing .173g but it was supposed to be a .5 pill.  LOL.  I am already horrible with math but also I have been having trouble with memory lately that simple things I can't figure out.  My 1 mg pills weighed the same!  My wife had to come in and telling me what I was doing wrong.  The look on her face.  Priceless.  So we should weigh each pill before crushing it and weighing out the proper dose correctly to make sure that we are tapering the correct amount off?

 

Also, I have been told and have read numerous times that 10% is a good safe taper amount.  I know that everyone is different of course and you need to listen to your body to figure the correct taper amount, but can you please explain why you think 10% is too much to taper off? Have you heard differently than me or from your own experience?  I would really like to know as my next planned cut will be by 10%. 

 

Thanks

 

prman162

 

The best way to explain is by example I think.  Let's say you plan to cut 10% in a month.  You can cut 10% and hold for a month.  Or you can cut 5%, hold for two weeks, twice.  This is an improvement because you got to the same place in the same time, but you left 5% in your body to cover symptoms until you were ready to deal with it.  Even better, you could cut 1% every three days and do this ten times.  Same effect.  The extreme of this is a daily taper where you cut .33% each day for 30 days.  The drug remains in your body to cover symptoms until your body is ready to deal with the shortage.  Why not take advantage?

 

 

huh....didn't think about it that way.  but I thought it was 10% every 7-14 days at a minimum?  Am I not remembering the info correctly?  I think I will try the 10% and see how my body reacts to decide if I go 14 days or a month before the next cut.  I have only dealt with serious wd's for about 3-4 days in a row that start about 3 days after my cut. Then I have wd's that I can deal with after that time.  I can't tell you how much this website and all the Buddies has helped me cope with the wds!  But I was also cutting at 50% before I got wise to how stupid that was.  if 10% is too much, then I will take your advice and move to 5% every 14 days.  like I was saying, everyone is different.  I just have to listen to my body and see how I feel and go from there.  I am still pretty new to the taper down process so I need to test my limits.  I know now that 50% is entirely too much for my body!!!  but I made it through it.  and getting good advise from people such as yourself has been nothing but beneficial. I know I can make it to the end and jump with a smile on my face.  Then hang on for the ride.   

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Remember also no matter what u do..is the lower you get, usually the harder it is...not for all but for many.

[[Pr...]]

thanks.  That's where I think your advice is probably going to come in real handy. 

[[Be...]]

Hey there samone:

 

Welcome to BB 

 

am having trouble with math.

 

If I do a 10% taper from my 1.5mg K daily dose....  How would I do that mathematically?

 

I am working with 3 pills at .5mg each.  Each of my pills weigh approximately .173 on the scale.

 

Am I subtracting 10% from each .5mg pill that weighs .173 (=.156) or am I subtracting 10% from each of my daily doses of 1.5mg (=1.35mg)?

 

Obviously I need to hold for 3-4 weeks to find out what sx I will have....

 

Then what would the next taper be?

 

And so on and so forth....?

 

Please help!  I know precision is key here and I want to start the taper right.

 

Your help is appreciated in advance!

 

Thanks for your feedback SG57,

 

Ok, so I am shaving 10% off all three pills at once?  I thought I was only tapering one of the 3 pills at a time.  Do you think 10% is too much???

 

what would my next taper be then...?  Is this how my 10% taper schedule should be?

 

I want to start out right and I'm getting different opinions...  This is in mgs for Klonopin...

1.5

1.35

1.22

1.10

.99

.89

.80

.72

.65

.56

.50

.45

.40

.36

.32

.29

.26

.23

.21

.19

.17

.15

.14

.13

.12

.11

.10

etc....

 

Please advise.

 

Thank you!

 

See you need some help with math & taper procedures 

 

fyi. if you shave off 10% from each pill your reduction will be a total of 30%

 

This may be a little steep. It you want to shave all three doses to keep dosing consistent you will  need to reduce 1/3 (33.33) of TOTAL reduction amount from each tablet. 

 

Here is an example of what a 10% reduction would look like from 1.5mg K (3 - .50mg tablets):

 

.5mg=.173mcg

1.5mg= .519mcg

 

Figures are rounded up:

1.50mg(.519mcg) @ 10%=.15mg or .0519mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.35mg(.515mcg) @ 10%= .135mg or.0515mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.22mg(.510mcg) @10%= .122mg or.0510mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg  (.0045 total)

1.10mg(.506mcg) @ 10%= .110mg or.0506mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

  .99mg(.502mcg) @ 10%=  .099mg or .0502mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

 

Also, when referring to weight, you may want to use "mcg" (microgram) & "mg" for tablet value amounts. This will help avoid confusion.

 

Here is an online calculator that may help you with the math :

http://www.onlineconversion.com/percentcalc.htm

 

Wish you a smoth ride & the very best with your journey to benzo freedom! 

[[sa...]]

Hey there samone:

 

Welcome to BB 

 

am having trouble with math.

 

If I do a 10% taper from my 1.5mg K daily dose....  How would I do that mathematically?

 

I am working with 3 pills at .5mg each.  Each of my pills weigh approximately .173 on the scale.

 

Am I subtracting 10% from each .5mg pill that weighs .173 (=.156) or am I subtracting 10% from each of my daily doses of 1.5mg (=1.35mg)?

 

Obviously I need to hold for 3-4 weeks to find out what sx I will have....

 

Then what would the next taper be?

 

And so on and so forth....?

 

Please help!  I know precision is key here and I want to start the taper right.

 

Your help is appreciated in advance!

 

Thanks for your feedback SG57,

 

Ok, so I am shaving 10% off all three pills at once?  I thought I was only tapering one of the 3 pills at a time.  Do you think 10% is too much???

 

what would my next taper be then...?  Is this how my 10% taper schedule should be?

 

I want to start out right and I'm getting different opinions...  This is in mgs for Klonopin...

1.5

1.35

1.22

1.10

.99

.89

.80

.72

.65

.56

.50

.45

.40

.36

.32

.29

.26

.23

.21

.19

.17

.15

.14

.13

.12

.11

.10

etc....

 

Please advise.

 

Thank you!

 

See you need some help with math & taper procedures 

 

fyi. if you shave off 10% from each pill your reduction will be a total of 30%

 

This may be a little steep. It you want to shave all three doses to keep dosing consistent you will  need to reduce 1/3 (33.33) of TOTAL reduction amount from each tablet. 

 

Here is an example of what a 10% reduction would look like from 1.5mg K (3 - .50mg tablets):

 

.5mg=.173mcg

1.5mg= .519mcg

 

Figures are rounded up:

1.50mg(.519mcg) @ 10%=.15mg or .0519mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.35mg(.515mcg) @ 10%= .135mg or.0515mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.22mg(.510mcg) @10%= .122mg or.0510mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg  (.0045 total)

1.10mg(.506mcg) @ 10%= .110mg or.0506mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

  .99mg(.502mcg) @ 10%=  .099mg or .0502mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

 

Also, when referring to weight, you may want to use "mcg" (microgram) & "mg" for tablet value amounts. This will help avoid confusion.

 

Here is an online calculator that may help you with the math :

http://www.onlineconversion.com/percentcalc.htm

 

Wish you a smoth ride & the very best with your journey to benzo freedom! 

 

Thank you for your feedback Ms. Bella.  How do I remove (.0045 total) when my scale capacity is .001g?  Would I just remove .005?

[[Be...]]

Your welcome samone

 

hank you for your feedback Ms. Bella.  How do I remove (.0045 total) when my scale capacity is .001g?  Would I just remove .005?

 

Good question.

 

Round up (.005) or down (.004)  whatever works best  for you! 

 

Also, you may have to be creative alternating total reduction from each tablet to obtain these figures.

 

Example:

 

Tablet 1- remove .001, tablet 2- remove .002, tablet 3 remove .001 for a total reduction of .005mcg

~or~

Tablet 1- remove .002, tablet 2- remove 0, tablet 3 remove .002 for a total reduction of .004mcg

 

 

 

[[Be...]]

See you need some help with math & taper procedures 

 

fyi. if you shave off 10% from each pill your reduction will be a total of 30%

 

This may be a little steep. It you want to shave all three doses to keep dosing consistent you will  need to reduce 1/3 (33.33) of TOTAL reduction amount from each tablet. 

 

Here is an example of what a 10% reduction would look like from 1.5mg K (3 - .50mg tablets):

 

.5mg=.173mcg

1.5mg= .519mcg

 

Figures are rounded up:

1.50mg(.519mcg) @ 10%=.15mg or .0519mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.35mg(.515mcg) @ 10%= .135mg or.0515mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.22mg(.510mcg) @10%= .122mg or.0510mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg  (.0045 total)

1.10mg(.506mcg) @ 10%= .110mg or.0506mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

  .99mg(.502mcg) @ 10%=  .099mg or .0502mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

 

Also, when referring to weight, you may want to use "mcg" (microgram) & "mg" for tablet value amounts. This will help avoid confusion.

 

Here is an online calculator that may help you with the math :

http://www.onlineconversion.com/percentcalc.htm

 

Wish you a smoth ride & the very best with your journey to benzo freedom! 

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my bad on this 30%, It is 10%. sorry  

[[sa...]]

See you need some help with math & taper procedures 

 

fyi. if you shave off 10% from each pill your reduction will be a total of 30%

 

This may be a little steep. It you want to shave all three doses to keep dosing consistent you will  need to reduce 1/3 (33.33) of TOTAL reduction amount from each tablet. 

 

Here is an example of what a 10% reduction would look like from 1.5mg K (3 - .50mg tablets):

 

.5mg=.173mcg

1.5mg= .519mcg

 

Figures are rounded up:

1.50mg(.519mcg) @ 10%=.15mg or .0519mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.35mg(.515mcg) @ 10%= .135mg or.0515mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0046 total)

1.22mg(.510mcg) @10%= .122mg or.0510mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg  (.0045 total)

1.10mg(.506mcg) @ 10%= .110mg or.0506mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

  .99mg(.502mcg) @ 10%=  .099mg or .0502mcg - shave each tablet .0015mcg (.0045 total)

 

Also, when referring to weight, you may want to use "mcg" (microgram) & "mg" for tablet value amounts. This will help avoid confusion.

 

Here is an online calculator that may help you with the math :

http://www.onlineconversion.com/percentcalc.htm

 

Wish you a smoth ride & the very best with your journey to benzo freedom! 

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my bad on this 30%, It is 10%. sorry  

 

I'm sorry bella... I am soaking it up.... however what do you mean by your bad on this 30%.  It is 10%.  Sorry.

 

I think I'm still confused. 

 

 

[[Be...]]

Hi samone:

 

fyi. if you shave off 10% from each pill your reduction will be a total of 30%

 

I was mistakenly assuming that you were reducing 10% of 1.5mg( .15(.0519mcg)) from EACH tablet which would be a 30% reduction. I now realize you are reducing 10% of each tablet (approx. .005mcg)

 

so "my bad" sorry"  

[[sa...]]

Hi samone:

 

fyi. if you shave off 10% from each pill your reduction will be a total of 30%

 

I was mistakenly assuming that you were reducing 10% of 1.5mg( .15(.0519mcg)) from EACH tablet which would be a 30% reduction. I now realize you are reducing 10% of each tablet (approx. .005mcg)

 

so "my bad" sorry"  

 

No worries Bella.  I think I have it figured out finally.  I appreciate your input!

 

Best,

S